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Bloom 100: Post Combine 11-20 (1 Viewer)
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Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Hmmm. I'm having a hard time seeing Leonard as a full time feature back, which limits his long term ceiling. He reminds me of an Edgar Bennett type tweener. He'll probably be in the league forever but even in PPR leagues I think he'll be a borderline RB2 at best.
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salmonstud
Footballguy
Good work Bloom.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Thank you.Please excuse my ignorance, but how does Lorenzo Booker look when staying back to block? With the upper-body strength that the 26 reps indicate, he could be a top-10 back if he blocks and has the lower-body strength to push back blockers when he is running the ball. His speed is decent/good.
Cecil and I watched this very closely at the Senior Bowl practices and Booker had by far the best punch of any of the south RBs (Kenny Irons, Ken Darby, Le'Ron McClain (FB) were the others).He also talks about his strength, its effect on his blocking, and his approach to blocking in our extended interview: Here (Booker is 2nd half) (also linked in the 11-20 article)
If you want to get an idea of Booker as a person and a football player, this interview is required listening. We were pretty much floored by how articulate, outgoing, and confident he was. He describes This mind-boggling run for us - it had happened in 2003, over three years ago, and he had no idea we were going to ask him about it. Doug Drinen was kind enough to transcribe the quote over at his blog at his excellent Pro Football Reference Statistics Oracle
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
It's in the Article SectionETA: I'm a little too slow.
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26 reps of 225lbs and he only weighs 188lbs ....I get more impressed by booker everytime I see something about him. This really sucks for me since my only first rounder is at 1:7 and need wr help
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Bloom, how would you rank the rb's in the 11-20 in a ppr dynasty league, and who are the top 3 pass receivers among them?
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These rankings assume PPR. Booker is definitely the best receiver of the second tier backs, followed by Leonard and Bush.
I think it really depends on your team's need. I still think Miller will be a productive receiving TE. There are some quality 2nd tier QBs, and bottom of the 2nd tier RBs and WRs that are easy picks over Miller if you are set at TE, but I think Miller's overall chance of fantasy relevance is slightly higher than those guys. I almost had him as low as 28 after the combine, but I didnt want to overreact to his numbers because he ran in the 4.7s and looked a lot better at his pro day last week.
beto
Footballguy
Consider 3 things:1. You said yourself this is a poor TE class2. Miller is a poor man's Marcedes Lewis (slow, productive PAC 10 TE)3. There are a lot of good WR prospects in this draftIn an IDP rook draft this guy is not top 25 even if you are starved at TE.
You are starting to persuade me that he should be among, instead of above, the 3rd tier WRs and RBs and 2nd tier QBs. I might have allowed his pro day to over-rehabilitate his stock
ThePittbully
Footballguy
The more I read about and the more I see Lorenzo Booker the more I hope the people in my league pass on him in the first round so I can snatch him up at 2.1
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Booker is the man.
JayMan
Footballguy
Quick question Mr. Bloom...
I think I recall a few weeks/months back, when discussing about the first round of a typical dynasty draft, you were skeptical about Ted Ginn and Michael Bush being worthy of the rankings others gave them... mainly saying that Ginn had not demonstrated to you that he could master the route running skills needed at the next level yet and that Bush, in a Shelton-look-a-like contest, was probably the beneficiary of the offense at Louisville (if that is not the case - sorry for posting this!)
Anything happening recently that made you changed your mind? Or just other players moving down? Or just the idea of a Petrino/Bush reunion?...
Was intrigued by this 'high side' of Ginn you discussed here... same for the 'low side of Bush ...
Thanks in advance!... and, as always - great job!
I think I recall a few weeks/months back, when discussing about the first round of a typical dynasty draft, you were skeptical about Ted Ginn and Michael Bush being worthy of the rankings others gave them... mainly saying that Ginn had not demonstrated to you that he could master the route running skills needed at the next level yet and that Bush, in a Shelton-look-a-like contest, was probably the beneficiary of the offense at Louisville (if that is not the case - sorry for posting this!)
Anything happening recently that made you changed your mind? Or just other players moving down? Or just the idea of a Petrino/Bush reunion?...
Was intrigued by this 'high side' of Ginn you discussed here... same for the 'low side of Bush ...
Thanks in advance!... and, as always - great job!
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Thanks for sharing these bloom.
I also want to bring up somthing about peoples earlier notions about this draft class.
A month or so people were saying this group of Rbs is weak compared to previous draft classes. I was skeptical of this then. I find myself being even more skeptical of this now.
I noticed recently that the Sporting News rookie prospects publication (pre combine info) graded the Rb class as a whole A- That is a pretty high grade for a group of Rbs who others were saying was weak. I do not know if I agree with TSN's grade but it definitly indicates to me that this Rb crop is not as inferior as some were thinking a month or so ago.
Now I see bloom that you still have the 2nd tier WRs ahead of this 2nd tier of Rbs. Is this because you think the Rb group is weak? Or is it more that you think the WR group is more talented than them?
One Rb notable that was frowned upon in the early going was Iron's. He seems to have improved his standing by showing solid measurables at the combine.
There are still some quality Rb prospects from this class that you have not yet ranked in your top 20.
I do like the WRs a great deal myself. I see a lot of depth in this WR class that could end up being starters as WR 2s and 3s at least for NFL teams.
I also want to bring up somthing about peoples earlier notions about this draft class.
A month or so people were saying this group of Rbs is weak compared to previous draft classes. I was skeptical of this then. I find myself being even more skeptical of this now.
I noticed recently that the Sporting News rookie prospects publication (pre combine info) graded the Rb class as a whole A- That is a pretty high grade for a group of Rbs who others were saying was weak. I do not know if I agree with TSN's grade but it definitly indicates to me that this Rb crop is not as inferior as some were thinking a month or so ago.
Now I see bloom that you still have the 2nd tier WRs ahead of this 2nd tier of Rbs. Is this because you think the Rb group is weak? Or is it more that you think the WR group is more talented than them?
One Rb notable that was frowned upon in the early going was Iron's. He seems to have improved his standing by showing solid measurables at the combine.
There are still some quality Rb prospects from this class that you have not yet ranked in your top 20.
I do like the WRs a great deal myself. I see a lot of depth in this WR class that could end up being starters as WR 2s and 3s at least for NFL teams.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
I'm hoping I can get him at 1.11!
Bush - I just have been underrating the rarity of his talent. He is definitely more much talented than Shelton, who was physically gifted, but not a talented football player. The Petrino reunion would be a big boost for his value imo.Ginn - Sometimes I want to bump him down into the teens or even lower. He seems like he could end up being a s 40 or 50 catch a year guy, too sporadic to be trustworthy for fantasy. I should probably be bolder, but I just can't bump him out of the first strictly on skepticism.
This class of RBs is full of guys who can contribute in one way or another, but very guys that approach anything resembling a complete package at RB (seems like the RB position is going this direction). I do think the second tier WRs are more talented, and lets be honest. Calvin Johnson is the Zero Tier, and Rice, Bowe, Meachem, etc are the first tier - on a par with the top WRs last year.There are definitely some RBs not in my top 20 who could make a splash, and WRs for that matter.
fsufan
Footballguy
watched Booker's career at FSU. He just cannot run inside. He dances in the hole and then tries to bounce it outside. But I will say he did have VERY poor coaching at FSU.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
FWIW, my next Break Down the Tape will be Bush. Looks good on tape, but I think there are some weaknesses.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
I am in the Beto camp here. I think that Olsen solidified a top 20 spot but I wouldn't put him as high as he is on the Bloom list yet. I think you could easily trade 1.11 for a productive proven TE in or near the top 10 (witten, maybe cooley, a disenchanted Watson or McMichael owner). As for Miller, I just don't see a top 20 pick. As I have said before, I think sometime people get too excited about the top TE's. Most TE's take time to develop. Ben Watson and Dallas Clark had measurables as good (or better than Olsen) and while quality NFL players, they really aren't much better in terms of points per game than TE 15. Pollard, Shiancoe, and Dave Thomas are probably sitting on some waiver wires- I would much rather have them and pick 20 than Miller.
Be glad you're not in my dynasty league because I can assure you he wouldn't last that far. Although I'm worried that he'll emerge as the guy who'll end up in a great situation and gets drafted at 1:4 in most ff leagues
You could be right but remember they said the same things about warrick dunn and he's a little bit smaller and as you know they just happened to have played for the same school. Also I've read that booker has the frame to add another 10-15 lbs withoul losing any of his explosiveness. I see him more of a poor man's brian westbrook than as a strictly third down rb like kevin faulk.
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fsufan
Footballguy
I always felt Dunn was going to be a solid NFL RB, Dunn just made plays. If my memory serves me correctly Dunn is FSU last 1000 yard RB. Booker is great in open field. FSU had to use only Booker in the bowl game against UCLA because the #2 RB, Smith, was hurt. 22 carr. 91 rushing yards, 2 rush TDs, 5 rec., 117 rec yards
He could be a solid RB if used right.
I have read on warchant.com Denver has showed interest in him
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
The 2nd tier of Rbs do have some questions about them in terms of being 3 down players that will be able to win starting positions. Similar to players like Duckett and Julius Jones and Westbrook from previous draft classes. And the NFL is full of quality RBs right now from several strong RB classes over the past 4 years. So opportunities for them will be very dependent on where these players are drafted. However like Westbrook if drafted into the right situation they could become full time starters and I believe a few of them will move up into top 10 status once we see which teams draft them.I am also not seeing Miller as being worthy of the top 20 when there are so many more talented players at other positions that should be drafted before him. There are a couple Qbs I could see working thier way into the top 20 ahead of Miller as well as some IDPs that deserve consideration before I would look at Miller.Sigmund Bloom said:
