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Bloom's Draft Grades - AFC West (1 Viewer)
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Between his history of knee issues, being too slow to stay at safety, and not big enough to be a stout ILB, I just think Ellison falls through the cracks a la Darnell Bing.
DawnBTVS
Footballguy
Also curious, which of the three UDFA D-Line players has the best chance to stick on Denver's squad? You mentioned they were draftable (6th-7th round prospects?) and I've seen and heard a lot of good things about Pedescleaux specifically.
Just to quibble... Quinn was considered the best blocking tight end in the draft I believe and reportedly showed good hands at the Combine. Denver's clearly going for a power running scheme with their RBBC, O-Line depth, and now with 2 blocking TEs in Graham & Quinn along with a receiving threat in Scheffler. Granted, blocking tight ends don't receive the glory fantasy or otherwise that receiving ones do but they are (depending on ability) essentially a 6th OL on the line, able to run block and pass block. That has to be huge for a run heavy (or even pass heavy) team.
I also found this statistic on Quinn from the Broncos forum: Richard Quinn TE North Carolina delivered 78 knockdowns in 11 games and 11 touchdown-resulting blocks.
Just to quibble... Quinn was considered the best blocking tight end in the draft I believe and reportedly showed good hands at the Combine. Denver's clearly going for a power running scheme with their RBBC, O-Line depth, and now with 2 blocking TEs in Graham & Quinn along with a receiving threat in Scheffler. Granted, blocking tight ends don't receive the glory fantasy or otherwise that receiving ones do but they are (depending on ability) essentially a 6th OL on the line, able to run block and pass block. That has to be huge for a run heavy (or even pass heavy) team.
I also found this statistic on Quinn from the Broncos forum: Richard Quinn TE North Carolina delivered 78 knockdowns in 11 games and 11 touchdown-resulting blocks.
massraider
Footballguy
They also traded up to get him, IIRC.They have Graham at TE already. Quinn might be a nice player, but what kind of impact can he really make?
Pedescleaux is the most talented, so he's got the best shot, but all three are so well suited for a 3-4, and the roster was pretty woeful up front coming into the draft, I expect all to make the roster unless there are character issues.I have no doubt that Quinn is highly likely to work out in that role, but honestly it's like fullback or ST gunner or punter/kicker - there are hard working street free agents out there and late round picks that can do 85% as well as the guy who is best in the league at those jobs. He's just not worth a pick that can land you a solid starter at a more important position, or a developmental guy at a very tough position to solve.
I think Chris Baker will be the starting NT.
Penn State defensive lineman Chris Baker, who finished his collegiate career at Hampton. At 6-foot-2, weighing 326 pounds, he showed versatility for the Pirates, playing at defensive end and nose tackle in the 3-4 alignment. He earned first-team All-MEAC honors with 62 tackles, 16.5 tackles for loss and 8.5 sacks in 2008. Athletic, Baker finished in the top 10 among defensive linemen at the Combine in the vertical jump.
Penn State defensive lineman Chris Baker, who finished his collegiate career at Hampton. At 6-foot-2, weighing 326 pounds, he showed versatility for the Pirates, playing at defensive end and nose tackle in the 3-4 alignment. He earned first-team All-MEAC honors with 62 tackles, 16.5 tackles for loss and 8.5 sacks in 2008. Athletic, Baker finished in the top 10 among defensive linemen at the Combine in the vertical jump.
The Jacket
Footballguy
How is Alex Magee a "terrible fit in a 3-4?" He's 6-3, 298lb., has long arms, put up 30 reps at the combine, uses his hands well and has a good motor. He'll "get mauled as a DE in the 3-4?" What? Why? He's a stout player, for some of the reasons I mentioned above. That's probably why Pioli -- a guy with pretty good experience of playing and scouting defensive line -- likes him. While Magee's not a prototype, I have to question an author who makes such wild statements.
Additionally, it's become common revisionist history to say a guy "isn't Richard Seymour." Richard Seymour was considered a reach by people like yourself who grade a draft days after the event, and in his senior season was not at all dominant (one sack). In fact, I'd venture that if he played way out of position as a 4-3 end, he would've never been such a high pick, while Jackson, on the other hand, would probably be held in higher regard by the average fan if he had the opportunity to bang inside guards rather than out on an island with tackles who weigh no more than he does.
Additionally, it's become common revisionist history to say a guy "isn't Richard Seymour." Richard Seymour was considered a reach by people like yourself who grade a draft days after the event, and in his senior season was not at all dominant (one sack). In fact, I'd venture that if he played way out of position as a 4-3 end, he would've never been such a high pick, while Jackson, on the other hand, would probably be held in higher regard by the average fan if he had the opportunity to bang inside guards rather than out on an island with tackles who weigh no more than he does.
Despyzer
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To piggyback this discussion, my understanding was that Tyson was drafted to be more of a Vince Wilfork than a Richard Seymor. It seems like you may have set him up for unrealistic expectations. The question could still be asked though, would Vince Wilfork be considered worthy of the #3 pick coming out of college?The Jacket said:
LionsFan78
Footballguy
Great writeups Bloom!
Question....pretty much applies to all of them so far, but in what order would you rank all of the drafts that you've given an A grade to so far?
Question....pretty much applies to all of them so far, but in what order would you rank all of the drafts that you've given an A grade to so far?
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Any thoughts on doing UDFA ratings if not full blown grades as sort of an addendum to these ratings? Just thought it be interesting to ponder. Or perhaps a breakdown since for teams with very few picks (Jets, Saints) there's a lot more opportunity for the UDFAs to possibly have an impact.
Another fine write up Bloom and kinda glad to see ya didn't bash the DHB pick. Could they have gotten him later in the round - it seems pretty certain. Could they convince another team to trade up to 7 and give them that pick in the teens? Not that likely.
Cheers
-QG
Another fine write up Bloom and kinda glad to see ya didn't bash the DHB pick. Could they have gotten him later in the round - it seems pretty certain. Could they convince another team to trade up to 7 and give them that pick in the teens? Not that likely.
Cheers
-QG
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Players like Kleinsauser have been 2 round picks before and can make a huge difference for a running game. Also helps for protection against blitzing teams. If Quinn can play as a H-Back there are even more things you can do with him.That is if Quinn is more part of the base offense. If he is only getting short yardage and specialty roles then yeah it wouldn't be the most cost effective use of the pick.
Polar Dude
Footballguy
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