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I like Mack because I think he can play G, but the more I look at this draft, the more I think unless someone falls too far at T, the Steelers should go CB or DE with the #32. Depending on how corners are going, if someone like Smith or Butler is there at #32, they need to take a long look, and I guy I absolutely love is Jarron Gilbert. I think he could be a ten-year starter at DE for Pittsburgh, and potentially be better than Aaron Smith. I think if they took Gilbert in round 1, a G in round 2, Francies in round 3, then a couple developmental tackles, they'll be OK on the line. Not great, but OK. If they were picking #15 this year instead of #32, I'd advocate an Oher in round 1 and Duke Robinson in round 2 to rebuild the entire line, but where they're picking, I'm having a hard time projecting them to draft quality OL without reaching egregiously.
Cincinnati1(6) Andre Smith, OT, Alabama2(38) Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee3(70) Eric Wood, C, Louisville3(98) Dorell Scott, DT, Clemson4(106) Kevin Barnes, CB, Maryland5(142) Bernard Scott, RB, Abilene Christian6(179) Nick Reed, DE/LB, Oregon6(209) Hunter Cantwell, QB, Louisville7(215) Quinn Johnson, FB, LSU7(249) Tim Jamison, DE, Michigan7(252) DeAngelo Smith, CB, CincinnatiI would call this average. I don't see Wood lasting that long and was shocked to see D Smith that late. Based on how this draft went, I would have preferred the following;Cincinnati1(6) BJ Raji, DT2(38) Jamon Meredith, OT or Max Unger, C3(70) Lawrence Sidbury, DE3(98) Dannell Ellerbe, ILB4(106) Antoine Caldwell, C or Jason Watkins, OT5(142) Captain Munnerlyn, CB6(179) Kory Sheets, RB6(209) Ray Feinga, G7(215) Quinn Johnson, FB7(249) DeAngelo Smith, CB7(252) Nadar Abdallah, DTThat's a pretty good draft for Cincy. I don't like the Dorell Scott pick. If they go DT it needs to be in the 1st or 2nd or your just replacing mid-round type talents(Shirley, Harris) with more of the same. I'd have rather seen Ellerbe here. Love the 7th rounders.
While I agree with much of what you said EG, I think they simply must address OL this year. If the position hadn't been neglected for the last 5 years, this wouldn't be as pressing an issue as it has become. They may have to reach to do so, but that is the price that they have to pay.... or the problem will simply get worse going forward. It's obvious that Ben brings some of the sacks on himself, but if he keeps taking this many hits each year, his career is going to be cut quite short.Anyway, I won't necessarily be upset if they grab an elite CB or DE in the first round, but the OL bill is coming due very soon. The longer they wait to address it, the worse it will get.Quality mock as usual Bloom.
Not a Raji fan but I'd like it too. I'd like Parsons at 218 too. He went to SF at 219.
Troy Williamson went 7 overall. It's been widely reported that 40 time rules all in the Raiders scouting process (and it shows in their picks). I know the pick is unlikely, but there's always at least one unlikely pick, a terrible reach, in the first - and it's often based on speed. I don't think it would be the smart pick, but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.
Would love if this was the direction that the Chargers went. You've hit the needs pretty squarely (IMO) and AJ typically takes the BPA in a need area instead of reaching for a player to fill a specific need. Bolts probably one of the harder teams to mock b/c it's very likely that they'll move with the extra 4ths they have. Not that it's important, but if Maualuga is on the board at 16 and someone wants to move up to 16, perhaps AJ will think twice after he did the same thing in '03 with Polamalu on the board. SD fans ended up drinking Kiel Kool-Aid instead of Super Bowl champagne b/c of that mistake, IMO.
If anything the recent memory of Troy Williamson busting royally at the #7 virtually guarantees that DHB will not be picked at this spot. I guess I understand your desire to shake things up with a questionable top ten selection since it seems to happen every year but this one is just way too off base.When the dust settles in April DHB probably won't even go in Rd 1 yet less the top ten. If you're going to insert an unlikely name at least insert some one who is considered at top 20 guy at this point in time. And if not a top 20 name then maybe some one who is surging rapidly. DHB fits neither or these molds.
Sigmund, outstanding effort all the way through. I'm sure you've put countless hours and endured far too much criticism for your excellent efforts.We went through the Pat White pick in the "Round 2" thread, so I won't re-hash old arguments here.The 2 Johnson picks are very good. They address needs and seem to represent good or at least reasonable value at those spots. I like the Baker pick at 117 as well. They have an open DL spot on the roster.I don't pretend to know much if anything about the remaining guys. I suspect that they'll go LB more than they'll go WR. They have almost no depth at LB. Actually, I'd kind of be surprised if they took a WR. I would actually expect them to take a FB or TE on Day 2. That is a spot where they could use some help. And given the rules changes regarding no wedges on kickoffs, guys who can block in open space, like FBs and TEs, become more valued on special teams. I'd also expect them to take a QB in the 6th or 7th. I guess with your mock, Pat White takes that role. But I really doubt they go White at 51. So maybe give them one of LB, S, or OL at 51, then shuffle positions like you have them at 69 and 101. Keep the DL at 117. Then get at least 1 FB/TE and 1 QB the rest of the way, and I think you'll have their draft covered. Overall, great job!
I wasn't aware that S was much of a need for the Steelers? I guess the backups are a bit on the older side (if I'm remembering correctly) though.I don't know much about Coye Francies, or TJ Lang... but after reading up a little, I don't think Lang is worthy of a 2nd round pick. I might prefer this draft:
I like Raji...just don't see him making it to the Packers anyway...and for the 3-4 I might even prefer Brace (seen some with him falling to GBin the 2nd...just not seeing it.).But a Raji/Gilbert combo would be great...as would a E. Brown or Maybin/Brace combo.bcr8f said:
You're probably right. Ted will probably trade down unless someone very good is there. I see him going down to 12 and maybe further.A good LB and defensive tackle/DE are what i expect. Knowing what Ted will do is very risky though.
I watch a lot of Huskers football too and second these thoughts on the Nebraska players. Potter is a far better fit for Pittsburgh than Steinkuhler. In fact, Potter is exactly the kind of guy I'd like to see late. mcintyre mentioned his long frame and huge wingspan - virtually a must for a 3-4 DE the way the Steelers play. I am also much higher than most on Murtha. I think he's a gifted athlete and is one of those guys in the mid rounds that COULD turn out to be a major steal for someone. It has nothing to do with his 40 either, he's just a very smart, high-character guy with a good work ethic. Really, his only issue at this point is his strength - he needs to get a lot bigger up top and refine his technique a bit, but that's the kind of thing that being a full-time player under the tutelage of an NFL coaching staff can remedy. He may never be anything, but he's one of the few T that may be available in the 4th or 5th round that has the potential to be a starting LT in the NFL.mcintyre1 said:
They definitely have to address OL, but they also have needs at other positions. I'm not advocating ignoring the line again, but they can use 2-3 of their 5 picks in rounds 2-5 if they have to, rather than pass up a DE or CB that could be an impact player in year 1 or 2 and a long-time starter in round 1 in favor of a lineman who may not contribute for a couple of years. Obviously, I would be very happy with a round 1 OL pick (hell, 1st two picks would be nice) - but only if the value is there. If they take Loadholt in round 1, for example, over Alphonso Smith or Jarron Gilbert, I'd really question the wisdom of doing so.brewer said:While I agree with much of what you said EG, I think they simply must address OL this year. If the position hadn't been neglected for the last 5 years, this wouldn't be as pressing an issue as it has become. They may have to reach to do so, but that is the price that they have to pay.... or the problem will simply get worse going forward. It's obvious that Ben brings some of the sacks on himself, but if he keeps taking this many hits each year, his career is going to be cut quite short.Anyway, I won't necessarily be upset if they grab an elite CB or DE in the first round, but the OL bill is coming due very soon. The longer they wait to address it, the worse it will get.Quality mock as usual Bloom.Evilgrin 72 said:
With the rush average well south of 4.0 last season - i think it was 3.7 per carry - they definitely need to upgrade the line bigtime. I think this is the year to invest relatively high picks in linemen (obviously 32 and 64 aren't the super huge dollar guys, but thats the hand the Steelers are dealt this year thanks to winning the whole enchilada back in feb.).
Whole heartedly agree with you regarding Beanie, Follett in round 2 does not excite me, but Massaquoi in round 4 does. I, too, don't know anything about Underwood, but we do need secondary help.If we're taking anything outside of defense with our first three picks it better be a great value/best player available sort of scenario, Beanie at pick 36 is not it imo.amnesiac said:
Really? I'd say this is a pretty outstanding draft for the Bengals, so much so that I'd say it's entirely unrealistic. Yeah it loses it a bit in the middle, but I'd take this draft no question.bshipper said:Cincinnati1(6) Andre Smith, OT, Alabama2(38) Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee3(70) Eric Wood, C, Louisville3(98) Dorell Scott, DT, Clemson4(106) Kevin Barnes, CB, Maryland5(142) Bernard Scott, RB, Abilene Christian6(179) Nick Reed, DE/LB, Oregon6(209) Hunter Cantwell, QB, Louisville7(215) Quinn Johnson, FB, LSU7(249) Tim Jamison, DE, Michigan7(252) DeAngelo Smith, CB, CincinnatiI would call this average. I don't see Wood lasting that long and was shocked to see D Smith that late. Based on how this draft went, I would have preferred the following;That's a pretty good draft for Cincy. I don't like the Dorell Scott pick. If they go DT it needs to be in the 1st or 2nd or your just replacing mid-round type talents(Shirley, Harris) with more of the same. I'd have rather seen Ellerbe here. Love the 7th rounders.
Maybe someday the Bungle clubhouse will be strong enough to support characters like Bernard Scott and Andre Smith. Maybe. I thought they were finally going to learn last year and then they picked up Jason Shirley. At least there's another team in the division to share the butt end of jokes with...Really? I'd say this is a pretty outstanding draft for the Bengals, so much so that I'd say it's entirely unrealistic. Yeah it loses it a bit in the middle, but I'd take this draft no question.bshipper said:Cincinnati1(6) Andre Smith, OT, Alabama2(38) Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee3(70) Eric Wood, C, Louisville3(98) Dorell Scott, DT, Clemson4(106) Kevin Barnes, CB, Maryland5(142) Bernard Scott, RB, Abilene Christian6(179) Nick Reed, DE/LB, Oregon6(209) Hunter Cantwell, QB, Louisville7(215) Quinn Johnson, FB, LSU7(249) Tim Jamison, DE, Michigan7(252) DeAngelo Smith, CB, CincinnatiI would call this average. I don't see Wood lasting that long and was shocked to see D Smith that late. Based on how this draft went, I would have preferred the following;That's a pretty good draft for Cincy. I don't like the Dorell Scott pick. If they go DT it needs to be in the 1st or 2nd or your just replacing mid-round type talents(Shirley, Harris) with more of the same. I'd have rather seen Ellerbe here. Love the 7th rounders.
I think we are on the same page here. I just don't want to be drunk at the end of day one saying... I can't believe they didn't get someone for the OLine.... well I do want to be drunk... just not the second part.
ASmith has too many questions to be the 6th overall pick. I am sure I don't need to remind us of the many 1st round busts we have taken in the past (I believe we have 3 of the top 10 ever).I think Wood's stock is increasing and won't be possible with our 3rd round pick.BScott has been arrested 5 times and is 25 years old, enough said.We don't need Cantwell, having just signed O'Sullivan. And we don't need 3 DE. Our defense needs more in the middle of the D Line (to free up Odom and Geathers) and a couple LB to complement Rivers and replace Jones in a couple years.The one pick that I did like was Barnes, and unfortunately I had to cut him out of my version in order to fix the O Line.Really? I'd say this is a pretty outstanding draft for the Bengals, so much so that I'd say it's entirely unrealistic. Yeah it loses it a bit in the middle, but I'd take this draft no question.bshipper said:Cincinnati1(6) Andre Smith, OT, Alabama2(38) Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee3(70) Eric Wood, C, Louisville3(98) Dorell Scott, DT, Clemson4(106) Kevin Barnes, CB, Maryland5(142) Bernard Scott, RB, Abilene Christian6(179) Nick Reed, DE/LB, Oregon6(209) Hunter Cantwell, QB, Louisville7(215) Quinn Johnson, FB, LSU7(249) Tim Jamison, DE, Michigan7(252) DeAngelo Smith, CB, CincinnatiI would call this average. I don't see Wood lasting that long and was shocked to see D Smith that late. Based on how this draft went, I would have preferred the following;That's a pretty good draft for Cincy. I don't like the Dorell Scott pick. If they go DT it needs to be in the 1st or 2nd or your just replacing mid-round type talents(Shirley, Harris) with more of the same. I'd have rather seen Ellerbe here. Love the 7th rounders.
VeryObviously, I would be very happy with a round 1 OL pick (hell, 1st two picks would be nice) - but only if the value is there. If they take Loadholt in round 1, for example, over Alphonso Smith or Jarron Gilbert, I'd really question the wisdom of doing so.brewer said:While I agree with much of what you said EG, I think they simply must address OL this year. If the position hadn't been neglected for the last 5 years, this wouldn't be as pressing an issue as it has become. They may have to reach to do so, but that is the price that they have to pay.... or the problem will simply get worse going forward. It's obvious that Ben brings some of the sacks on himself, but if he keeps taking this many hits each year, his career is going to be cut quite short.Anyway, I won't necessarily be upset if they grab an elite CB or DE in the first round, but the OL bill is coming due very soon. The longer they wait to address it, the worse it will get.Quality mock as usual Bloom.Evilgrin 72 said:
The run blocking actually bothers me as much or more than the sack total. They definitely need to upgrade to open up holes for the backs. They also need to get out of the annual "give Max Starks the moon because we have no one else" BS. He has been killing the cap...
Youre absolutely right that Potter makes a much better 3-4 DE in the making. We have a ton of good clips of him batting down passes and he almost made the cut for Draftguys TV. I picked Steinkuhler more in the role the Steelers have carved out for Brett Keisel - some DE, some OLB, a little bit of everything. Mainly I just love Steinkuhler's effort and energy, but Potter does make more sense - he just went earlier in the round to the Jets.mcintyre1 said:
I agree with dj. I would like the Colts 1st round pick to be Hood or Robiskie/Nicks. I may be wrong, but I never felt the Colts would look to take a RB in the first 3 rounds.
Pettigrew is an intersection of BPA and need - he's a very safe pick who can be important on run and pass downs and allow the Falcons to run more passing plays out of two TE sets. As far as the lack of production from the TE last year , well it's a chicken or an egg thing - did the Falcons TEs catch very few passes because the offense didn't call for it, or because they just aren't good receiving TEs? Hartsock was brought in almost strictly to block, and Peelle found himself with a job after Martrez Milner didn't work out. Pettigrew is a terrific blocker, but he's also a viable big target in the passing game to work the middle of the field.
Nicks had some pro day issues of his own. I would consider Robiskie, maybe even Gilbert, in addition to Hood.
brewer said:While I agree with much of what you said EG, I think they simply must address OL this year. If the position hadn't been neglected for the last 5 years, this wouldn't be as pressing an issue as it has become. They may have to reach to do so, but that is the price that they have to pay.... or the problem will simply get worse going forward. It's obvious that Ben brings some of the sacks on himself, but if he keeps taking this many hits each year, his career is going to be cut quite short.Anyway, I won't necessarily be upset if they grab an elite CB or DE in the first round, but the OL bill is coming due very soon. The longer they wait to address it, the worse it will get.Quality mock as usual Bloom.Evilgrin 72 said:
Wow. This isn't even an alias of mine. I worry even more about the run blocking of the O-line than the pass blocking. And the pass blocking is pathetic.
The Steelers have need across the line, so there will be a T/G/C who will be a good value pick at #32. The luxury of having a really bad line is that we don't have to reach for any one position on the line, take the BPA from any of the positions there. If, for some reason, we don't pick an Olineman in Rd1 (and I'd even advocate trading up), we'd better burn a 2nd and 3rd on it. We can't wait until the 4th+ rounds for lineman, we don't have that luxury.They definitely have to address OL, but they also have needs at other positions. I'm not advocating ignoring the line again, but they can use 2-3 of their 5 picks in rounds 2-5 if they have to, rather than pass up a DE or CB that could be an impact player in year 1 or 2 and a long-time starter in round 1 in favor of a lineman who may not contribute for a couple of years. Obviously, I would be very happy with a round 1 OL pick (hell, 1st two picks would be nice) - but only if the value is there. If they take Loadholt in round 1, for example, over Alphonso Smith or Jarron Gilbert, I'd really question the wisdom of doing so.brewer said:While I agree with much of what you said EG, I think they simply must address OL this year. If the position hadn't been neglected for the last 5 years, this wouldn't be as pressing an issue as it has become. They may have to reach to do so, but that is the price that they have to pay.... or the problem will simply get worse going forward. It's obvious that Ben brings some of the sacks on himself, but if he keeps taking this many hits each year, his career is going to be cut quite short.Anyway, I won't necessarily be upset if they grab an elite CB or DE in the first round, but the OL bill is coming due very soon. The longer they wait to address it, the worse it will get.Quality mock as usual Bloom.Evilgrin 72 said:
Yeah, that was why I reordered the Steeler's 7th round picks... their first 7th rounder (listed as 226) was two picks before the Jets (228), so they could "jump infront" of the Jets and steal him. Is that the correct pick #'s though? Do the Steelers have an extra 7th from someone?
they got a 7th from tampa for Sean Mahan last year (after signing him away from them in free agency IIRC)good call on that oversight, could have just as easily given the Stillers Potter at 226.
Great point about McMichael - I'll be putting Pettigrew on my "watch closely" list regardless of where he goes, but if it is to Atlanta then there are good reasons to be optimistic regarding his production in 2009. Thanks!
