Blueprint Juice Diet (2 Viewers)

[AAABatteries]

Otis, how much would you be willing to pay me if I coach you to your weight loss goal?

If you can get me to 210 I'd give you one thousand American dollars.

Cut off your hands.Let me know if paypal will work.

 

[phrozen]

Double decker pizza from Bill's Pub today. If this is unhealthy, that's just fine.

We're here to dogpile Otis, not listen to you wax poetically about eating whatever you want whenever you want. Please use the "Start New Topic" button instead of leeching off Otis's misery.

I'm selling a system that prides itself on laziness. I'm not about to go building my own audience when there's one right here.

I love this thread. I currently have it ranked as the #1 thread to follow in the FFA.

I sent Pasquino a PM to add the thread to the FDA Master Index

 

[Otis]

Went out to a Bobby Flay place for dinner. Not a bite of steak. Drank one beer slowly, one glass of red wine slowly, and had a piece of fish and asparagus. Didn't touch the bread, left a full glass of red on the table. SUCK IT FRED111!!

 

[phrozen]

Went out to a Bobby Flay place for dinner. Not a bite of steak. Drank one beer slowly, one glass of red wine slowly, and had a piece of fish and asparagus. Didn't touch the bread, left a full glass of red on the table. SUCK IT FRED111!!

A Bobby Flay restaurant? Was there a line at the olive garden?

 

[proninja]

I threw a mango, a pear, a big handful of grapes, half a cucumber, a kiwi, and a whole bunch of spinach in the blender, splitting it with the wife for dinner. A lot of sugar, but damn tasty. #aboutme

 

[Deepster]

241.8 --> 232In less than 5 days.SUCK IT DIET NERDZ

Not possible.You need to consume 3,500 less calories than you usually do to lose a pound. That could be over 2 days, 5 days, a week. Every time you consume 3,500 calories less than your body expects, you lose a pound.To lose 9.8 pounds in say 4.5 days, you'd have to consume 34,500 less calories than normal over that period of time. (9.8 lbs * 3,500 calories). So, immediately, you would have had to cut your caloric intake by about 7,600 calories per day.You mentioned that you had something like 1,200 calories one of those days. So, that means that, prior to that? You'd have been consuming almost 9,000 calories a day. To eat 9,000 calories of food? You could eat:9 chocolate frosted Dunkin Donuts for breakfast8 Doritos Taco Supreme Tacos for lunch6 Big Macs with 3 large fries for dinnerI'm calling bullhooey on your weight loss totals. Show me the math of what you ate prior to what you're eating now in calories. It don't work, friend. You're lying to the FFA. p.s. Diet Nerdz Rule.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

241.8 --> 232In less than 5 days.SUCK IT DIET NERDZ

Not possible.You need to consume 3,500 less calories than you usually do to lose a pound. That could be over 2 days, 5 days, a week. Every time you consume 3,500 calories less than your body expects, you lose a pound.To lose 9.8 pounds in say 4.5 days, you'd have to consume 34,500 less calories than normal over that period of time. (9.8 lbs * 3,500 calories). So, immediately, you would have had to cut your caloric intake by about 7,600 calories per day.You mentioned that you had something like 1,200 calories one of those days. So, that means that, prior to that? You'd have been consuming almost 9,000 calories a day. To eat 9,000 calories of food? You could eat:9 chocolate frosted Dunkin Donuts for breakfast8 Doritos Taco Supreme Tacos for lunch6 Big Macs with 3 large fries for dinnerI'm calling bullhooey on your weight loss totals. Show me the math of what you ate prior to what you're eating now in calories. It don't work, friend. You're lying to the FFA. p.s. Diet Nerdz Rule.

I don't doubt that was his previous diet, but I think your logic is wrong.you should be subtracting from equilibrium -- not his previous totals.if he's gaining 1 lb/wk, the first effect of caloric reduction will be to stop the gain, not take weight off.also, you aren't accounting for activity that would burn calories, but that's probably not much of a fail in this case.

 

[proninja]

241.8 --> 232In less than 5 days.SUCK IT DIET NERDZ

Not possible.You need to consume 3,500 less calories than you usually do to lose a pound. That could be over 2 days, 5 days, a week. Every time you consume 3,500 calories less than your body expects, you lose a pound.To lose 9.8 pounds in say 4.5 days, you'd have to consume 34,500 less calories than normal over that period of time. (9.8 lbs * 3,500 calories). So, immediately, you would have had to cut your caloric intake by about 7,600 calories per day.You mentioned that you had something like 1,200 calories one of those days. So, that means that, prior to that? You'd have been consuming almost 9,000 calories a day. To eat 9,000 calories of food? You could eat:9 chocolate frosted Dunkin Donuts for breakfast8 Doritos Taco Supreme Tacos for lunch6 Big Macs with 3 large fries for dinnerI'm calling bullhooey on your weight loss totals. Show me the math of what you ate prior to what you're eating now in calories. It don't work, friend. You're lying to the FFA. p.s. Diet Nerdz Rule.

sighIt's mostly water loss. When you drastically cut calories, your body is going to start to use glycogen stores. It takes a little bit to train your body to burn fat. One of the side effects of burning glycogen is it makes you excrete water in your urine. Also, our hero was eating lots of foods that cause him to retain water. Mostly salty foods. He's been eating precious little salt these days, and when you cut out all the food that causes your body to retain water, guess what? You lose more water. Some fruits and veggies have a diuretic effect. I'm not sure if he's been eating those or not, but with just the first two it is very possible to lose the weight he claims mostly in water. He's not buring fat yet, so any calorie calculation is completely bunk and has no bearing on the discussion currently. It works. I promise.

 

[joffer]

Just ate 3/4 of a large pizza

 

[Deepster]

241.8 --> 232In less than 5 days.SUCK IT DIET NERDZ

Not possible.You need to consume 3,500 less calories than you usually do to lose a pound. That could be over 2 days, 5 days, a week. Every time you consume 3,500 calories less than your body expects, you lose a pound.To lose 9.8 pounds in say 4.5 days, you'd have to consume 34,500 less calories than normal over that period of time. (9.8 lbs * 3,500 calories). So, immediately, you would have had to cut your caloric intake by about 7,600 calories per day.You mentioned that you had something like 1,200 calories one of those days. So, that means that, prior to that? You'd have been consuming almost 9,000 calories a day. To eat 9,000 calories of food? You could eat:9 chocolate frosted Dunkin Donuts for breakfast8 Doritos Taco Supreme Tacos for lunch6 Big Macs with 3 large fries for dinnerI'm calling bullhooey on your weight loss totals. Show me the math of what you ate prior to what you're eating now in calories. It don't work, friend. You're lying to the FFA. p.s. Diet Nerdz Rule.

sighIt's mostly water loss. When you drastically cut calories, your body is going to start to use glycogen stores. It takes a little bit to train your body to burn fat. One of the side effects of burning glycogen is it makes you excrete water in your urine. Also, our hero was eating lots of foods that cause him to retain water. Mostly salty foods. He's been eating precious little salt these days, and when you cut out all the food that causes your body to retain water, guess what? You lose more water. Some fruits and veggies have a diuretic effect. I'm not sure if he's been eating those or not, but with just the first two it is very possible to lose the weight he claims mostly in water. He's not buring fat yet, so any calorie calculation is completely bunk and has no bearing on the discussion currently. It works. I promise.

So....he lost water weight....on a juice diet for 1.5 days. Where he drank more liquid and water than he normally did.

 

[proninja]

241.8 --> 232In less than 5 days.SUCK IT DIET NERDZ

Not possible.You need to consume 3,500 less calories than you usually do to lose a pound. That could be over 2 days, 5 days, a week. Every time you consume 3,500 calories less than your body expects, you lose a pound.To lose 9.8 pounds in say 4.5 days, you'd have to consume 34,500 less calories than normal over that period of time. (9.8 lbs * 3,500 calories). So, immediately, you would have had to cut your caloric intake by about 7,600 calories per day.You mentioned that you had something like 1,200 calories one of those days. So, that means that, prior to that? You'd have been consuming almost 9,000 calories a day. To eat 9,000 calories of food? You could eat:9 chocolate frosted Dunkin Donuts for breakfast8 Doritos Taco Supreme Tacos for lunch6 Big Macs with 3 large fries for dinnerI'm calling bullhooey on your weight loss totals. Show me the math of what you ate prior to what you're eating now in calories. It don't work, friend. You're lying to the FFA. p.s. Diet Nerdz Rule.

sighIt's mostly water loss. When you drastically cut calories, your body is going to start to use glycogen stores. It takes a little bit to train your body to burn fat. One of the side effects of burning glycogen is it makes you excrete water in your urine. Also, our hero was eating lots of foods that cause him to retain water. Mostly salty foods. He's been eating precious little salt these days, and when you cut out all the food that causes your body to retain water, guess what? You lose more water. Some fruits and veggies have a diuretic effect. I'm not sure if he's been eating those or not, but with just the first two it is very possible to lose the weight he claims mostly in water. He's not buring fat yet, so any calorie calculation is completely bunk and has no bearing on the discussion currently. It works. I promise.

So....he lost water weight....on a juice diet for 1.5 days. Where he drank more liquid and water than he normally did.

Does it help to retain information if you repeat it?

 

[proninja]

Think of it this way. Instead of pouring water into a sponge, he started pouring water into a colander. Even if he ups the amount of water he's pouring into the colander, it's not going to retain it.

 

[Otis]

Any of you other losers want to bet against my weight loss?

LINE UP, #####ES!

 

[proninja]

Any of you other losers want to bet against my weight loss?

LINE UP, #####ES!

This is where the smart money gets in. Losing water weight is easy. You'll plateau soon, and - as strange as this may seem - some in here would probably be willing to bet against your willpower when you stop seeing easy results.

 

[Deepster]

Think of it this way. Instead of pouring water into a sponge, he started pouring water into a colander. Even if he ups the amount of water he's pouring into the colander, it's not going to retain it.

Not in that short amount of time with what we know he consumed. It won't add up any way you slice it. If he consumed nothing but water over 4 days, he wouldn't lose ten pounds. At a desk job, sitting for 8-10 hours a day? Nope. Oat is lying to the FFA.

 

[Otis]

Any of you other losers want to bet against my weight loss?

LINE UP, #####ES!

This is where the smart money gets in. Losing water weight is easy. You'll plateau soon, and - as strange as this may seem - some in here would probably be willing to bet against your willpower when you stop seeing easy results.

 

[Otis]

Think of it this way. Instead of pouring water into a sponge, he started pouring water into a colander. Even if he ups the amount of water he's pouring into the colander, it's not going to retain it.

Not in that short amount of time with what we know he consumed. It won't add up any way you slice it. If he consumed nothing but water over 4 days, he wouldn't lose ten pounds. At a desk job, sitting for 8-10 hours a day? Nope. Oat is lying to the FFA.

The pics don't lie.

 

[proninja]

Think of it this way. Instead of pouring water into a sponge, he started pouring water into a colander. Even if he ups the amount of water he's pouring into the colander, it's not going to retain it.

Not in that short amount of time with what we know he consumed. It won't add up any way you slice it. If he consumed nothing but water over 4 days, he wouldn't lose ten pounds. At a desk job, sitting for 8-10 hours a day? Nope. Oat is lying to the FFA.

Clearly you have a strong understanding of the mechanics behind weight loss. I should probably defer to your obvious expertise.

 

[Deepster]

Think of it this way. Instead of pouring water into a sponge, he started pouring water into a colander. Even if he ups the amount of water he's pouring into the colander, it's not going to retain it.

Not in that short amount of time with what we know he consumed. It won't add up any way you slice it. If he consumed nothing but water over 4 days, he wouldn't lose ten pounds. At a desk job, sitting for 8-10 hours a day? Nope. Oat is lying to the FFA.

Clearly you have a strong understanding of the mechanics behind weight loss. I should probably defer to your obvious expertise.

You can insult me if you want. It's a numbers game and the numbers don't make sense. Show me how they do and I'll admit it.

 

[moleculo]

Think of it this way. Instead of pouring water into a sponge, he started pouring water into a colander. Even if he ups the amount of water he's pouring into the colander, it's not going to retain it.

Not in that short amount of time with what we know he consumed. It won't add up any way you slice it. If he consumed nothing but water over 4 days, he wouldn't lose ten pounds. At a desk job, sitting for 8-10 hours a day? Nope. Oat is lying to the FFA.

Clearly you have a strong understanding of the mechanics behind weight loss. I should probably defer to your obvious expertise.

You can insult me if you want. It's a numbers game and the numbers don't make sense. Show me how they do and I'll admit it.

there are things that your body can loose beside fat. Water is one of them.

 

[Deepster]

Here is an article on Livestrong.com.http://www.livestrong.com/article/62668-lose-pounds-ten-days/That's losing ten pounds in TEN days. Oat is saying he lost in less than five days.Not possible. He's lying to the FFA.

 

[proninja]

Think of it this way. Instead of pouring water into a sponge, he started pouring water into a colander. Even if he ups the amount of water he's pouring into the colander, it's not going to retain it.

Not in that short amount of time with what we know he consumed. It won't add up any way you slice it. If he consumed nothing but water over 4 days, he wouldn't lose ten pounds. At a desk job, sitting for 8-10 hours a day? Nope. Oat is lying to the FFA.

Clearly you have a strong understanding of the mechanics behind weight loss. I should probably defer to your obvious expertise.

You can insult me if you want. It's a numbers game and the numbers don't make sense. Show me how they do and I'll admit it.

He's not losing fat. He's losing water. A big guy like Oat's weight could fluctuate 5 pounds easy over the course of a day. A 240lb guy losing 5lbs of water weight in a couple days is no big deal. 10lbs is a lot, but certainly not proof he's lying. Your numbers with fat don't matter. He's not burning fat. He needs to burn through his glycogen stores first. I'm not sure what kind of proof you want, and it's awesome that you know a pound of fat has 3500 calories, but that factoid has zero to do with his current weight loss. You don't know what you're talking about, and you're asking me for numerical proof of something that isn't provable with Algebra. What sort of numbers do you want as proof?

 

[proninja]

Oh, good. Maurile is posting.

 

[Otis]

Guys, does it matter if I took a big healthy dump before I weighed in the second time?Way to go on arguing about my dumps like this.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

You need to consume 3,500 less calories than you usually do to lose a pound. That could be over 2 days, 5 days, a week. Every time you consume 3,500 calories less than your body expects, you lose a pound.

To lose 9.8 pounds in say 4.5 days, you'd have to consume 34,500 fewer calories than normal over that period of time. (9.8 lbs * 3,500 calories). So, immediately, you would have had to cut your caloric intake by about 7,600 calories per day.

You can lose a pound in about a minute. It's not because you ate 3,500 less calories in that minute than you normally eat in a minute. It's because you took a massive dump.In other words, you're confusing fat loss with weight loss. Losing ten pounds in four days is no big deal. (Losing ten pounds of bodyfat in four days would be a big deal, but that wasn't Otis's claim.)

 

[proninja]

Guys, does it matter if I took a big healthy dump before I weighed in the second time?Way to go on arguing about my dumps like this.

WHY ARE YOU LYING TO THE FFA?

 

[Deepster]

He's not losing fat. He's losing water. A big guy like Oat's weight could fluctuate 5 pounds easy over the course of a day. A 240lb guy losing 5lbs of water weight in a couple days is no big deal. 10lbs is a lot, but certainly not proof he's lying. Your numbers with fat don't matter. He's not burning fat. He needs to burn through his glycogen stores first. I'm not sure what kind of proof you want, and it's awesome that you know a pound of fat has 3500 calories, but that factoid has zero to do with his current weight loss. You don't know what you're talking about, and you're asking me for numerical proof of something that isn't provable with Algebra. What sort of numbers do you want as proof?

Okay. So, what did he even do to lose that much water weight? Juice fast for 10 hours? Maybe a couple moderate workouts? The first day he complained about a headache and went to bed at 8:30. One day, he ate a pretty average normal diet. So, tell me what in this thread caused the dramatic weight loss that aren't shown by numbers?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

He's not losing fat. He's losing water. A big guy like Oat's weight could fluctuate 5 pounds easy over the course of a day. A 240lb guy losing 5lbs of water weight in a couple days is no big deal. 10lbs is a lot, but certainly not proof he's lying. Your numbers with fat don't matter. He's not burning fat. He needs to burn through his glycogen stores first. I'm not sure what kind of proof you want, and it's awesome that you know a pound of fat has 3500 calories, but that factoid has zero to do with his current weight loss. You don't know what you're talking about, and you're asking me for numerical proof of something that isn't provable with Algebra. What sort of numbers do you want as proof?

Okay. So, what did he even do to lose that much water weight? Juice fast for 10 hours? Maybe a couple moderate workouts? The first day he complained about a headache and went to bed at 8:30. One day, he ate a pretty average normal diet. So, tell me what in this thread caused the dramatic weight loss that aren't shown by numbers?

ummmmm....didn't he do that already?

 

[Deepster]

You need to consume 3,500 less calories than you usually do to lose a pound. That could be over 2 days, 5 days, a week. Every time you consume 3,500 calories less than your body expects, you lose a pound.

To lose 9.8 pounds in say 4.5 days, you'd have to consume 34,500 fewer calories than normal over that period of time. (9.8 lbs * 3,500 calories). So, immediately, you would have had to cut your caloric intake by about 7,600 calories per day.

You can lose a pound in about a minute. It's not because you ate 3,500 less calories in that minute than you normally eat in a minute. It's because you took a massive dump.In other words, you're confusing fat loss with weight loss. Losing ten pounds in four days is no big deal. (Losing ten pounds of bodyfat in four days would be a big deal, but that wasn't Otis's claim.)

And you can gain that pound back an hour later when you eat dinner. Over 4.5 days, there needs to be a consistent effort in some regard to lose ten pounds of water, fat or poo. And, lets be honest, he didn't do anything close to that. It don't add up.

 

[proninja]

He's not losing fat. He's losing water. A big guy like Oat's weight could fluctuate 5 pounds easy over the course of a day. A 240lb guy losing 5lbs of water weight in a couple days is no big deal. 10lbs is a lot, but certainly not proof he's lying. Your numbers with fat don't matter. He's not burning fat. He needs to burn through his glycogen stores first. I'm not sure what kind of proof you want, and it's awesome that you know a pound of fat has 3500 calories, but that factoid has zero to do with his current weight loss. You don't know what you're talking about, and you're asking me for numerical proof of something that isn't provable with Algebra. What sort of numbers do you want as proof?

Okay. So, what did he even do to lose that much water weight? Juice fast for 10 hours? Maybe a couple moderate workouts? The first day he complained about a headache and went to bed at 8:30. One day, he ate a pretty average normal diet. So, tell me what in this thread caused the dramatic weight loss that aren't shown by numbers?

Two big things1. Cut out all the foods that cause you to retain water. Think of them as a dam. When you take these foods away, all the water rushes out. 2. Running at a caloric deficit initially causes your body to run on glycogen stores which causes your body to excrete even more water.Think of it like a bank account. If you make $100k/year but spend $100k/year you end up with nothing. If you make $50k/year but spend $40k/year you end up with $10k. Otis may have consumed more liquid than normal, but what matters is liquid in vs liquid out. And the liquid out faucet got turned on high.

 

[Otis]

You need to consume 3,500 less calories than you usually do to lose a pound. That could be over 2 days, 5 days, a week. Every time you consume 3,500 calories less than your body expects, you lose a pound.

To lose 9.8 pounds in say 4.5 days, you'd have to consume 34,500 fewer calories than normal over that period of time. (9.8 lbs * 3,500 calories). So, immediately, you would have had to cut your caloric intake by about 7,600 calories per day.

You can lose a pound in about a minute. It's not because you ate 3,500 less calories in that minute than you normally eat in a minute. It's because you took a massive dump.In other words, you're confusing fat loss with weight loss. Losing ten pounds in four days is no big deal. (Losing ten pounds of bodyfat in four days would be a big deal, but that wasn't Otis's claim.)

And you can gain that pound back an hour later when you eat dinner. Over 4.5 days, there needs to be a consistent effort in some regard to lose ten pounds of water, fat or poo. And, lets be honest, he didn't do anything close to that. It don't add up.

Don't hate. Appreciate.

 

[proninja]

He's not losing fat. He's losing water. A big guy like Oat's weight could fluctuate 5 pounds easy over the course of a day. A 240lb guy losing 5lbs of water weight in a couple days is no big deal. 10lbs is a lot, but certainly not proof he's lying. Your numbers with fat don't matter. He's not burning fat. He needs to burn through his glycogen stores first. I'm not sure what kind of proof you want, and it's awesome that you know a pound of fat has 3500 calories, but that factoid has zero to do with his current weight loss. You don't know what you're talking about, and you're asking me for numerical proof of something that isn't provable with Algebra. What sort of numbers do you want as proof?

Okay. So, what did he even do to lose that much water weight? Juice fast for 10 hours? Maybe a couple moderate workouts? The first day he complained about a headache and went to bed at 8:30. One day, he ate a pretty average normal diet. So, tell me what in this thread caused the dramatic weight loss that aren't shown by numbers?

ummmmm....didn't he do that already?

His posts make a lot more sense if you assume he isn't reading mine

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Okay. So, what did he even do to lose that much water weight?

He consumed fewer calories than he burned, and therefore used stored glycogen for energy.Do a google search for "glycogen water weight".

 

[proninja]

Okay. So, what did he even do to lose that much water weight?

He consumed fewer calories than he burned, and therefore used stored glycogen for energy.Do a google search for "glycogen water weight".

this is a good explanation

 

[zDragon]

You need to consume 3,500 less calories than you usually do to lose a pound. That could be over 2 days, 5 days, a week. Every time you consume 3,500 calories less than your body expects, you lose a pound.

To lose 9.8 pounds in say 4.5 days, you'd have to consume 34,500 fewer calories than normal over that period of time. (9.8 lbs * 3,500 calories). So, immediately, you would have had to cut your caloric intake by about 7,600 calories per day.

You can lose a pound in about a minute. It's not because you ate 3,500 less calories in that minute than you normally eat in a minute. It's because you took a massive dump.In other words, you're confusing fat loss with weight loss. Losing ten pounds in four days is no big deal. (Losing ten pounds of bodyfat in four days would be a big deal, but that wasn't Otis's claim.)

And you can gain that pound back an hour later when you eat dinner. Over 4.5 days, there needs to be a consistent effort in some regard to lose ten pounds of water, fat or poo. And, lets be honest, he didn't do anything close to that. It don't add up.

I thought the body held onto the water when you were dehydrated. I would think Otis would be drinking gallons of water to lose that weight. Not to mention high intensity exercise.

 

[Deepster]

Okay. So, what did he even do to lose that much water weight?

He consumed fewer calories than he burned, and therefore used stored glycogen for energy.Do a google search for "glycogen water weight".

this is a good explanation

That's the first site that comes up when you google "glycogen water weight". I'm pretty capable of that level of research, but thanks for the legwork.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

He's not losing fat. He's losing water. A big guy like Oat's weight could fluctuate 5 pounds easy over the course of a day. A 240lb guy losing 5lbs of water weight in a couple days is no big deal. 10lbs is a lot, but certainly not proof he's lying. Your numbers with fat don't matter. He's not burning fat. He needs to burn through his glycogen stores first. I'm not sure what kind of proof you want, and it's awesome that you know a pound of fat has 3500 calories, but that factoid has zero to do with his current weight loss. You don't know what you're talking about, and you're asking me for numerical proof of something that isn't provable with Algebra. What sort of numbers do you want as proof?

Okay. So, what did he even do to lose that much water weight? Juice fast for 10 hours? Maybe a couple moderate workouts? The first day he complained about a headache and went to bed at 8:30. One day, he ate a pretty average normal diet. So, tell me what in this thread caused the dramatic weight loss that aren't shown by numbers?

ummmmm....didn't he do that already?

His posts make a lot more sense if you assume he isn't reading mine

thx for the info, btw -- I'm learnin' something in here.so, I don't know anymore than that other guy about the science of weight loss, but I DO have access to the internet, and was able to reference this site

The diuretic effect of low carb diets can result in people losing a gallon of water in pounds the first week

gallon of water = ~8 lbs

If you’re looking for scientific evidence, here’s a very-frequently-cited 1976 article (before Atkins, but describing an Atkins-like "ketogenic" diet): Composition of weight lost (percentage) during the ketogenic diet was water 61.2, fat 35.0, protein 3.8. During the mixed diet, composition of loss was water 37.1, fat 59.5, protein 3.4. ... During starvation, mean rate of weight loss was 750.7+50.9 g/day, the composition (percentage) being water 60.9, fat 32.4, protein 6.7.In other words, on either the Atkins-like diet or the starvation diet 60% of the weight loss was just water weight. The "mixed" diet (basically, a lower-calorie diet, radically so in the case of this study) subjects did lose more fat weight than water weight, over the course of several weeks, but again, in the earliest part it was primarily water loss.The results of this study are well accepted and have been repeated in various forms, further refining our understanding. The upshot: eating less, but not going overboard on any particular kind of food, is the best way to produce real fat weight loss.You just can't burn fat in the first week of a diet. It takes time for your body to shift to other metabolic pathways, even if you shock it with a diet designed to force your body to burn fat. Instead, the body shifts into a starvation mode, burning up all of its stores of sugar, which is then excreted as water and CO2.

Often times when we go on a diet and see a quick weight loss of several pounds in a few days what we are seeing is water weight leave the body. Especially if we were eating lots of processed foods previous to the diet and then started a more wholesome diet.

 

[proninja]

Okay. So, what did he even do to lose that much water weight?

He consumed fewer calories than he burned, and therefore used stored glycogen for energy.Do a google search for "glycogen water weight".

this is a good explanation

That's the first site that comes up when you google "glycogen water weight". I'm pretty capable of that level of research, but thanks for the legwork.

That's why I quoted Maurile. I did what he suggested to find you something that explained it well. Maurile is smart about this kind of stuff.Also, I would submit that maybe you should understand if I'm skeptical of how much you care to research before you pop off on something.

 

[zDragon]

The photos should have EXIF data for when they were taken. If he's telling the truth it's simple to check. If he's lying I would expect to see incorrect dates or the data would be scrubbed. The EXIF should have date/time, camera, exposure info, etc.

 

[zDragon]

Okay. So, what did he even do to lose that much water weight?

He consumed fewer calories than he burned, and therefore used stored glycogen for energy.Do a google search for "glycogen water weight".

this is a good explanation

That's the first site that comes up when you google "glycogen water weight". I'm pretty capable of that level of research, but thanks for the legwork.

That's why I quoted Maurile. I did what he suggested to find you something that explained it well. Maurile is smart about this kind of stuff.Also, I would submit that maybe you should understand if I'm skeptical of how much you care to research before you pop off on something.

Doesn't it take 19-24hrs of fasting for the glycogen stores to be used up without high intensity exercise? I didn't recall that being the case with Otis. Also, he didn't mention drinking a lot of water which I would assume would cause dehydration and water storage.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Went out to a Bobby Flay place for dinner. Not a bite of steak. Drank one beer slowly, one glass of red wine slowly, and had a piece of fish and asparagus. Didn't touch the bread, left a full glass of red on the table. SUCK IT FRED111!!

I don't think beer and red wine count as juice.

 

[proninja]

Okay. So, what did he even do to lose that much water weight?

He consumed fewer calories than he burned, and therefore used stored glycogen for energy.Do a google search for "glycogen water weight".

this is a good explanation

That's the first site that comes up when you google "glycogen water weight". I'm pretty capable of that level of research, but thanks for the legwork.

That's why I quoted Maurile. I did what he suggested to find you something that explained it well. Maurile is smart about this kind of stuff.Also, I would submit that maybe you should understand if I'm skeptical of how much you care to research before you pop off on something.

Doesn't it take 19-24hrs of fasting for the glycogen stores to be used up without high intensity exercise? I didn't recall that being the case with Otis. Also, he didn't mention drinking a lot of water which I would assume would cause dehydration and water storage.

I really have no desire to get into arguing the finer points of Otis's water consumption and dumps with anybody. I just wanted to let the guy claiming that there was no way it could be true know that he was wrong.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

when I was googling around I read something about a pound of muscle, I think it was, burning 400 extra cal/day.does that sound right, and what would a guy like otis have to do to gain 5 lbs of muscle?

 

[Zegras11]

Otis, you know what is going to happen when you eating nothing all day... you are going to binge when you get home.

xI ate very low calorie every day this week, and not once did I go home and binge. Just need to do that for a few months and I'll be at my goal weight. Pretty easy.BURN

Down 30 since mid Oct by eating 1200-1400 calories per day, except for the holidays. Best thing now, and that I was hoping for, is that I don't want to eat a lot of food at one sitting any longer.

 

[DrJ]

Went out to a Bobby Flay place for dinner. Not a bite of steak. Drank one beer slowly, one glass of red wine slowly, and had a piece of fish and asparagus. Didn't touch the bread, left a full glass of red on the table. SUCK IT FRED111!!

There's only about 400 calories in an 8 oz filet. Even less if you trim off the small amounts of fat. You're doing this wrong.

 

[DrJ]

I threw a mango, a pear, a big handful of grapes, half a cucumber, a kiwi, and a whole bunch of spinach in the blender, splitting it with the wife for dinner. A lot of sugar, but damn tasty. #aboutme

What's the consistency on that? Could someone chug it in say 3 seconds flat?

 

[proninja]

I threw a mango, a pear, a big handful of grapes, half a cucumber, a kiwi, and a whole bunch of spinach in the blender, splitting it with the wife for dinner. A lot of sugar, but damn tasty. #aboutme

What's the consistency on that? Could someone chug it in say 3 seconds flat?

I threw in a little water, it was easily drinkable

 

[DrJ]

when I was googling around I read something about a pound of muscle, I think it was, burning 400 extra cal/day.does that sound right, and what would a guy like otis have to do to gain 5 lbs of muscle?

Exercise / lift some weights and make sure the diet includes an adequate amount of protein. The DrJ Lazy Sloth Diet and Exercise Program © contains enough nutrients to accomplish this. But that defeats the lazy part. I have a very nice bench and set of weights in my basement - but that's just for decoration. When chicks come over you can act like you use them.

 

[DrJ]

Even if you go with an all snack cake version of this diet, just pick up a protein powder at GNC. There's some stuff that's like 100% whey protein or something, I used to use this Joe Weider stuff back in the day. Mix that with a little effort - lean body mass galore. If you run a tab over at GNC you can get almost any nutrient you need in a low cal powder / pill format.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

when I was googling around I read something about a pound of muscle, I think it was, burning 400 extra cal/day.

does that sound right, and what would a guy like otis have to do to gain 5 lbs of muscle?

Exercise / lift some weights and make sure the diet includes an adequate amount of protein. The DrJ Lazy Sloth Diet and Exercise Program © contains enough nutrients to accomplish this. But that defeats the lazy part. I have a very nice bench and set of weights in my basement - but that's just for decoration. When chicks come over you can act like you use them.

thx