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Blueprint Juice Diet (4 Viewers)
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OC Zed
Footballguy
Scale update?
Deepster
Footballguy
You realize that, by not eating regularly, you're slowing your metabolism down and your body is storing more fat, right? It sends up signals that it isn't getting nutrition and puts the brakes on working off your last meal.
He is slowing his metabolism, but he's not making it negative. He still has positive energy needs, and if he's eating too few calories to meet them, he'll make up the difference largely by burning body fat. Severe (and chronic) calorie-restriction results in a number of bad things, but fat-storage isn't one of them.
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a little?
Anyone else feel like you're getting the equivalent of a geography lesson from Sarah Palin when Oats talks about diet/nutrition?
Get cracking big boy. I'd hate to owe you a buck for you not getting below 220 by Memorial Day.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I'm not sure which thread to put this in, but Crumbs is selling a thin-mint girl scout cookie cupcake. Bought one on the way home. Will let you know how it is.
Otis
Footballguy
I think you have the bet backwards.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
that place has a pretty rockin' coconut donut -- if you're into that kind of thing.
He doesn't want to scare away all of the action.
Nope, you do (sort of)....I win (both must happen)If - You lose 20 lbs by Memorial Day.And - You weigh 10+ pounds over your Memorial Day weight by Super Bowl Monday next year. You win under these scenarios1. You don't lose 20 lbs by Mermorial Day2. You lose 20 lbs by Memorial but you are 10+ lbs over this Memorial Day weight by Super Bowl Monday next year.Basically I'm on your train early and then severely fading you.
Looks like I've upset the diet nerds. This is what you want to become Otis?
So if Otis could find himself a taker that he can't lose 20 lbs by Memorial Day, he's playing with house money.
ragincajun
Footballguy
nutribullet
Otis
Footballguy
So you're betting FOR me to succeed? Smarter than you look.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Update: Thin mint cupcake was awesome.Suck it, fasties.
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Chaka
Footballguy
No, some of your snide comments are actually kind of amusing, but the shtick you are wrapping around the actual diet advice you are trying to give is just pointless and unfunny.And your diet advice shtick is pretty weak too.
Chaka
Footballguy
Thanks Maurile. They're far more likely to listen to you.
proninja
Footballguy
Of course, that's what I thought about you when you joined the thread.
Deepster
Footballguy
"A study published in the April 2007 edition of the "American Journal of Clinical Nutrition" examined the effect of one meal a day vs. three. The researchers found that the healthy participants who ate a single meal a day did lose fat mass, but they were hungry. Moreover, they had increased blood pressure and total cholesterol and a decreased cortisol concentration. Cortisol, a steroid hormone, causes your body to send more glucose into your bloodstream when you are under stress. Over the long term, a slow metabolism can sabotage your weight-loss efforts."http://www.livestrong.com/article/542042-is-eating-one-meal-a-day-healthy/And what happens most often isn't a controlled study and people tend to overeat that one meal, often dinner, going to sleep and slowing their metabolism even further.
Keerock
Footballguy
OK... so this fasting for a day thing is really easy! I had a moderate breakfast early yesterday. Had nothing to eat AT ALL the rest of the day. Drank at least 120 oz of water. Really never felt hungry. Even this morning when I woke up, I didn't feel as though I'd die without food. Had a banana and coffee for breakfast today and feel very sated. Not sure I feel any different/more rested/healthier this morning as a result... although I am proud of myself. I honestly didn't think I could do it.The only hard part was the temptation (which is my issue with food all the time). Wife made an awesome smelling pasta dish for dinner... really wanted some, but resisted. Son's hockey team parents were passing around Valentines goodies at his game last night. Sugar cookies looked particularly good, but I abstained. If I could go through fast days without having to deal with other people waving food under my nose, It'd be a piece of cake (no pun intended).I will probably try to fast one day a week going forward, if nothing else, to shed a few pounds. Hoping it will make me feel better in the process.Thanks for the info Chaka!'Keerock said:It's really not difficult. People have this crazy notion that going a day without food is some kind of grand task, I getlooks all the time when I tell people that I do 24 hour fasts almost every week. The typical response is something like "
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moleculo
Footballguy
yesterday, I had two fried eggs served over a bed of sweet potato hash with peppers and other misc veggies mixed in, plus a glass of OJ and a couple cups of coffee. lunch was shredded chicken, avocado, onion, tomato, and salsa, served in a lettuce wrap - kind of a faux taco. I also had a slice of home-made apple pie made with no added sugar and a crust made from almond flour. dinner was flank steak, stuffed with jalapeno, garlic, I think basil, and I'm not sure what else, but it was delicious. Also, zucchini and squash sauteed in coconut oil. Maybe a couple of dates and figs to snack on throughout the day.All this was followed up by 2 1/2 hours of MMA kickboxing and jiu-jitsu, including a solid 20 minutes of some pretty intense circuit training.suck it fatties and fasties.
36th Chamber
Footballguy
LOOK AT ME EVERYBODY, I EAT HEALTHY AND EXERCISE!!! OH AND HAD THE SHEER WILL TO FAST FOR A DAY!!! 
Ned
Footballguy
For the brownie layer
1 (18 ounce) box brownie mix, prepared and unbaked OR
10 tablespoons unsalted butter
1 1/4 cups white sugar
3/4 cup cocoa powder
1/2 teaspoon salt
2 teaspoons vanilla extract
2 large eggs
1/2 cup all-purpose flour
For the Oreo layer
1 (15 1/2 ounce) package Oreo cookies (my pan fit 16)
For the caramel layer
1 (6 ounce) jar dulce de leche
1 teaspoon fleur de sel
For the chocolate chip cookie layer
1 (18 ounce) roll ready-made refrigerated chocolate chip cookie dough, OR
1/2 cup unsalted butter (at room temp)
1/4 cup brown sugar
3/4 cup white sugar
1 egg
1 1/4 teaspoons vanilla extract
1 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
1/2 teaspoon baking powder
1 cup semi-sweet chocolate chips
Directions:
1 - Pre-heat your oven to 350 degrees.
2 - Line the bottom of an 8x8 baking pan (I used a Pyrex pan) with tin foil and then spray the foil liberally with baking spray.
3 - Make the brownie layer per box instructions (without baking) OR: In a medium sauce pan, melt the butter over medium-high heat. Once melted, add the sugar and cocoa powder. Stir to combine and remove from the heat. Add the salt, vanilla and eggs to the batter and then whisk until combined. In a separate bowl, sift the flour and then slowly incorporate the flour into the batter until it's all mixed. Set the batter aside.
4 - If making your own cookie dough: In a large bowl, cream together the butter and sugars with a hand mixer. Add the eggs one at a time and then the vanilla, scraping down the sides of the mixing bowl as you go. Add the flour, salt, baking soda and baking powder and mix on low until incorporated. Fold in the chocolate chips and then set aside.
5 - Assemble!
6 - Start by gently pressing the cookie dough into the bottom of the pan, making sure to create an even layer. (I found it helpful to use the back of a 1-cup measure cup.).
7 - Then add a layer of Oreos on top of the cookie dough. Nudge them as close together as possible without overlapping.
8 - Get ready for the gluttony: Remove the lid on the caramel sauce/dulce de leche and microwave for 35 seconds (until it becomes slightly warm and spreadable). Use a spoon to drizzle the caramel over the Oreos.
9 - Lastly: Pour the brownie batter on top of the caramel-Oreo layer. Use a spatula to make sure it's even.
10 - Bake for 30-35 minutes. Test with a knife to see if the center is done. It's OK if the knife has some brownie on it. It's easy to over-bake the cookie layer if left in the oven too long.
11 - Once out of the oven, heat up the caramel again as in step 5. With a spoon, lightly drizzle the caramel over the brownies. Sprinkle with the salt.
12 - *Note: Although you can scarf these right away (they'll be crumbly but delicious and gooey!), they actually get better with age. Let them rest for several hours for easier handling and serving.
13 - *Note: Prep time is reduced if using boxed/ready-made mixes.
Read more at: http://www.food.com/recipe/even-sluttier-slutty-brownies-491951?oc=linkback
1 (18 ounce) box brownie mix, prepared and unbaked OR
10 tablespoons unsalted butter
1 1/4 cups white sugar
3/4 cup cocoa powder
1/2 teaspoon salt
2 teaspoons vanilla extract
2 large eggs
1/2 cup all-purpose flour
For the Oreo layer
1 (15 1/2 ounce) package Oreo cookies (my pan fit 16)
For the caramel layer
1 (6 ounce) jar dulce de leche
1 teaspoon fleur de sel
For the chocolate chip cookie layer
1 (18 ounce) roll ready-made refrigerated chocolate chip cookie dough, OR
1/2 cup unsalted butter (at room temp)
1/4 cup brown sugar
3/4 cup white sugar
1 egg
1 1/4 teaspoons vanilla extract
1 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
1/2 teaspoon baking powder
1 cup semi-sweet chocolate chips
Directions:
1 - Pre-heat your oven to 350 degrees.
2 - Line the bottom of an 8x8 baking pan (I used a Pyrex pan) with tin foil and then spray the foil liberally with baking spray.
3 - Make the brownie layer per box instructions (without baking) OR: In a medium sauce pan, melt the butter over medium-high heat. Once melted, add the sugar and cocoa powder. Stir to combine and remove from the heat. Add the salt, vanilla and eggs to the batter and then whisk until combined. In a separate bowl, sift the flour and then slowly incorporate the flour into the batter until it's all mixed. Set the batter aside.
4 - If making your own cookie dough: In a large bowl, cream together the butter and sugars with a hand mixer. Add the eggs one at a time and then the vanilla, scraping down the sides of the mixing bowl as you go. Add the flour, salt, baking soda and baking powder and mix on low until incorporated. Fold in the chocolate chips and then set aside.
5 - Assemble!
6 - Start by gently pressing the cookie dough into the bottom of the pan, making sure to create an even layer. (I found it helpful to use the back of a 1-cup measure cup.).
7 - Then add a layer of Oreos on top of the cookie dough. Nudge them as close together as possible without overlapping.
8 - Get ready for the gluttony: Remove the lid on the caramel sauce/dulce de leche and microwave for 35 seconds (until it becomes slightly warm and spreadable). Use a spoon to drizzle the caramel over the Oreos.
9 - Lastly: Pour the brownie batter on top of the caramel-Oreo layer. Use a spatula to make sure it's even.
10 - Bake for 30-35 minutes. Test with a knife to see if the center is done. It's OK if the knife has some brownie on it. It's easy to over-bake the cookie layer if left in the oven too long.
11 - Once out of the oven, heat up the caramel again as in step 5. With a spoon, lightly drizzle the caramel over the brownies. Sprinkle with the salt.
12 - *Note: Although you can scarf these right away (they'll be crumbly but delicious and gooey!), they actually get better with age. Let them rest for several hours for easier handling and serving.
13 - *Note: Prep time is reduced if using boxed/ready-made mixes.
Read more at: http://www.food.com/recipe/even-sluttier-slutty-brownies-491951?oc=linkback
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
do you have a newsletter?
Chaka
Footballguy
I am not sure how that study relates to anything we are talking about in here. Did you read the actual study design?It doesn't say what you think it says.
According to the study the 1 meal a day people saw a significant decrease in body fat and cortisol (which is a hormone that is released in response to stress so apparently the 1 meal/day people experienced less stress). They saw an increase in blood pressure (from 109/66 to 116/70 both absolutely within normal range) both total, LDL and HDL.
Total cholesterol went from 191.0 to 216.5 (both well within normal range), HDL went from 56.7 to 61.9 and LDL went from 113.3 to 136.2. All are well within normal range. And the primary indicator for heart disease risk from a standard lipid profile is not the LDL fraction but the ratio of Total Cholesterol to HDL (TC:HDL) the lower the better. In this case TC:HDL went from 3.37 to 3.50 which is not a significant change.
Finally nowhere in that study does it say that it increased fat storage which is what you said in your post.
Chaka
Footballguy
Nice work.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
his diet updates seem to have been getting more desperate, so I expect the weight loss planed off a bit.
Deepster
Footballguy
Correct. My mistake in saying fat storage. The slower metabolism makes it harder to lose weight. My point was more than skipping a couple meals, then eating a dinner (often too big to make up for the lack of nutrition/calories) can end up working against weight loss.
Chaka
Footballguy
Okay but the study you cited showed that is not the case.From one meal/day to three meals/day the study subjects body weight went from 65.9 to 67.7 kg, their fat mass went from 14.2 to 16.3 kg and their fat-free mass went from 50.9 to 49.4 kg.I am not saying these are huge numbers or an argument in favor of eating one meal/day for 8 weeks at a time (which is what they did in the study) but it certainly does nothing to convince me that having one meal a day is (or fasting for a day) is bad for you.I am pretty sure that you are off on this one Deepster.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Deepster
Footballguy
What am I missing about "Over the long term, a slow metabolism can sabotage your weight-loss efforts"?
Otis
Footballguy
Thanks Edison, I'm sure everyone was expecting me to lose 40lbs in 4 weeks.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Not Chaka but I like to speak for him on occasion. Better yet, since Martin Berkham should do the speaking on this topic: Links to Fasted Training research. Those two links are barely a good start at that site, if you're really interested in fitness combined with fasting. Other online fitness gurus will argue with Martin, but I think Martin is usually correct.Edit for this article doing a better job than the others addressing your recovery question though still not directly.
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Ned
Footballguy
Not to hijack too much, but thanks for these. I'm a marathoner and have been thinking about nutrition as I keep looking for ways to improve. I'm curious about the endurance angle in the last link. Training on depleted glycogen stores makes some logical sense, but I've never really looked into it.
Chaka
Footballguy
The part where you are either moving the goal post or missing the point entirely.We have been talking about occasional fasting or caloric restriction and previously you seemed to be suggesting that doing would somehow slow down metabolism over the long term which is simply not true, it barely slows metabolism, if at all, over the limited time frames we have been talking about. And it certainly doesn't lead to extra fat storage, which you also suggested.Now if you want to change it to having a slow metabolism over a long period will make weight loss more difficult (which it seems like you are saying now) then I won't argue with you. In fact it's a very symptom of an very common condition called hypothyroidism.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Training, yes. Competing, no. You won't see personal bests while depleted, but you should create improvements allowing for new bests. I think a better explanation of that sentence settled the beef between Martin and Anthony Colpo. /hijack
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
also, very cranky.I'll submit this as exhibit B
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
such a romantic
bigbottom
Footballguy
She's going to sit on it later.
Keerock
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
"Hey, fattie...try drinking a salad once in a while."
shadyridr
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You shouldve got your wife a new bowling ball
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