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yeah, this is one of my initial posts from page 3 -- I think it's better than the starvation diet.this is based on zero actual info, but I always hear that bit about the fat storage thing.
See, the calories in and out deal is the basis for basically every diet plan on the planet. But few of them that I'm aware of outside of Blueprint Juice diet involve near starvation. Maybe if you're like 400 lbs a reasonable diet seems like starvation, but I've only seen one other place where they endorse like 1000 calories a day. This goofy diet that my in laws are on, and they have a biggest loser competition to start every year. And then they're all fat as ever come next year. Maybe Otis just needs to give this some more time to kick in.
Biggest backpedal I've ever seen in here.
Wait a minute here. So a single meal a day of 1300 calories would make me fat?
If you eat more than 1 of them a day, yes. I'm presuming you're not going to stop eating breakfast and dinner forever.
i think this is more of a cleanse than a fastSee, the calories in and out deal is the basis for basically every diet plan on the planet. But few of them that I'm aware of outside of Blueprint Juice diet involve near starvation. Maybe if you're like 400 lbs a reasonable diet seems like starvation, but I've only seen one other place where they endorse like 1000 calories a day. This goofy diet that my in laws are on, and they have a biggest loser competition to start every year. And then they're all fat as ever come next year. Maybe Otis just needs to give this some more time to kick in.
Finally.
No what you are doing is simply misrepresenting pretty much anything that other people say then repackage diet advice that even the most uninformed slack jawed yokel in Upper Butt Crack U.S.A. is aware of as if it an original thought.
He's gone with your religion, he's starved himself and lost no weight. Nice work!
Is that really the best you can come up with?
No, but after 2 days of the Chaka diet I'm not exactly myself. ETA: (Nor have I lost any weight)
What is your angle with this shtick? You are clearly aware that you are not representing anything I have said in this thread. It seems like you read the Sisson links I posted (well you may have just skimmed them) so you are at least cursorily aware that intermittent fasting has nothing to do with weight loss and I have even acknowledged there are parts of what you say that are reasonable (albeit nothing that you came up with on your own). So why the shtick?
Seems like a great excuse to get a new guitar. shurg'bigbottom said:
I read Sisson's book, didn't read any of your links. I admit, it was a tough read for a slack jawed yokel such as myself. As for the schtick, I'm just trying to match the know-it-all uppity attitude that you cult diet nerds have on this stuff. A tall order, I know. When I tried the diet for a short time I had people such as yourself questioning whether I was actually following it because I was eating too much fruit - less fruit than proninja puts in his blender. Actual fruit that I didn't denature by blending it like raspberries, strawberries, and apples. You guys really are something else.
Well in that case, please continue with my blessing.
I'd just move on. He's just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks at this point in time.
I was simply replacing my french fries with fruit. I also don't like vegetables, one of the few that I do is cucumbers. I know that's actually a fruit though Sisson categorizes it as a vegetable for the purpose of his diet.This didn't happen in this thread, it was in Joe Bryant's thread on this. I believe it was Genedoc specifically, though I don't remember 100%. I kind of got sick of the know-it-all's being a bunch of jag bags when I was simply trying to make a couple healthier choices so now I just taunt your diet instead.
I remember the thread and the exchange re: fruit. I believe I also made fun of the fact that you don't like vegetables something along the lines of "What are you, eight years old?"And you are not making fun of my diet, you are at best misrepresenting it.'DrJ said:I was simply replacing my french fries with fruit. I also don't like vegetables, one of the few that I do is cucumbers. I know that's actually a fruit though Sisson categorizes it as a vegetable for the purpose of his diet.This didn't happen in this thread, it was in Joe Bryant's thread on this. I believe it was Genedoc specifically, though I don't remember 100%. I kind of got sick of the know-it-all's being a bunch of jag bags when I was simply trying to make a couple healthier choices so now I just taunt your diet instead.'Chaka said:
That is also not really true. I believe that some, many even, can live a long, full, happy life eating whatever you want. I know there are some who can eat nothing but fast food all day, every day and live to be 90+ and never have a single health problem. I also acknowledge that even following the most rigorous, healthy lifestyle on the planet a person can drop dead at 35. Or that on that diet perhaps the best advantage some could hope to gain would be a few, small degrees of improvement.However I disagree with the notion that everyone has their own opinion and can find legitimate, well controlled, peer reviewed, studies to back it up. I think we know a great deal about how particular diets impact the human body and that following the guidelines of what we know the average person will see big improvements in their quality of life. Unfortunately I think: 1) people's expectations are blown out of whack expecting immediate miracles and 2) There is so much background noise cluttering up the innerwaves that it becomes nigh impossible for the average person to know what to do. I know the vast majority of them won't put in the time and energy into the research behind these healthy principles (I'm looking at you Otis). Then those that do try to make these lifestyle changes give up after only a few weeks because they do not see the immediate and obvious results they were hoping for (I am pretty sure you fall in this category).I get it, it's difficult. All I can do is put the information I know to be true out there and see who is willing to listen.'DrJ said:
You're misrepresenting Sisson's diet IMO. No, he doesn't say you need to abstain from alcohol, but I've never seen anywhere that he endorsed severe caloric restriction so you could drink it all up in alcohol.I remember the thread and the exchange re: fruit. I believe I also made fun of the fact that you don't like vegetables something along the lines of "What are you, eight years old?"And you are not making fun of my diet, you are at best misrepresenting it.'DrJ said:I was simply replacing my french fries with fruit. I also don't like vegetables, one of the few that I do is cucumbers. I know that's actually a fruit though Sisson categorizes it as a vegetable for the purpose of his diet.This didn't happen in this thread, it was in Joe Bryant's thread on this. I believe it was Genedoc specifically, though I don't remember 100%. I kind of got sick of the know-it-all's being a bunch of jag bags when I was simply trying to make a couple healthier choices so now I just taunt your diet instead.'Chaka said:
Like your point about fruit, just because a little of something is good for you doesn't mean a lot is.He doesn't condone more than a cup of coffee a day, either. 1 is good, but he doesn't believe large amounts of a beverage that get you wired is healthy. It's all about moderation. The key to any diet, including mine. IMO, the advice you guys are giving Otis is kind of irresponsible. I think you're delusional if you believe what he's doing right now is healthy.There's 6 billion or whatever people on this planet, all with their own body chemistry. I don't think you can find a well controlled study on this at all, it's people making educated guesses based on very small amounts of information. The main reason I stopped is because I didn't experience any discomfort after following it for several weeks and then eating half a pizza. I'm not going to give up pizza for a diet that doesn't actually do anything for me. As I've noted many times in here I'm perfectly thin, I have lots of energy, so I was running it as an experiment. The diet isn't that tough for me actually. Especially when you use Sisson's 80% rule which I clearly was. I only have to cut out or modify a few things - I like fruits, nuts, meat. Outside of the pop, I really don't have a sweet tooth and eat almost no candy, cakes, etc, the stuff that's REALLY high in empty calories. But I have no interested in being part of a diet cult of this variety. Like I said to Otis - is this really what you want to become?
If you were happy already with your weight and your energy level, exactly what did you expect to gain from eating that way? How can you discard something on the basis of, "well, I felt good anyways, so therefore this stuff doesn't work"?I'm just not sure exactly what you are railing against here.eta: when I was strict on the diet last year, I had some pizza after roughly a month in. I most definitely felt the pains.
I was expecting to experience a noticeable difference in comfort when reintroducing elements of my normal diet that violate it. The way Maurile described this, it's basically like being in a room with a certain smell. After you've been there for a while, you don't notice it anymore. Leave the room for a time and come back, now you'll clearly notice it. So by excusing myself from "poisonous grains", I would get the same sort of experience when reintroducing them. I guess this is true for some people such as yourself, for me it wasn't. And I went over the top in the amount of pizza I ate to load up on the "poisons".
Grains and dairy. And vegetables like corn. The overall theory is that man hasn't evolved in a really long time, so we aren't designed to digest many of the staples of today. I don't know how many squids "Grok" ate though, you may be on to something.
that's the kind of thing that makes some kind of superficial sense, and I wouldn't have any reason to refute it, but is there any kind of science behind it?do we really need to be designed to eat everything, or does it all just go in the hopper and get dissolved? early man was suckling human milk as a baby, right?is human dairy substantially different than cow and goat?also, what was the typical lifespan of early man when he was eating bugs and coconuts?
Corn is a grain.
All mammals drink milk when they are infants. But with the partial exception of humans, they lose the ability to digest milk after infancy. Some humans retain the ability to digest milk well their whole lives (which is a fairly recent adaptation). Others don't do as well with it.
The average lifespan of hunter-gatherers was about 35, which is higher than for nearly all of post-agricultural human history. It dipped down into the high teens during the middle ages, and didn't go back up to 35+ again until the 20th century. (Of course, average isn't necessarily typical. Plenty of people died as infants, and plenty also lived into their sixties and beyond.)
I knew that bait would get someone.
It appears it was recategorized 2 years ago to a vegetable again.http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_corn_a_vegetable_or_a_fruit
Borlaug's work with wheat has certainly helped to feed a lot of people. While people are ingesting more "poison" as a result, they're living longer since they aren't starving. It's really difficult to draw diet related conclusions from life expectancy I would imagine. People congregating in relatively unsanitary conditions due to population booms could easily have played a role in a decline. I doubt the hunter/gatherers had to deal with the Bubonic plague for instance.
Yeah, it's a grain.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grainhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CornI knew that bait would get someone.
According to some sources, and not others. Kind of like all of the differing opinions on healthy diet itself.Yeah, it's a grain.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grainhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CornI knew that bait would get someone.
Yeah, no doubt.
Shockingly you missed the point on that post too. If you choose to read it as an endorsement of drinking all your calories as red wine then that's on you. (Should I bother telling you that a response based upon semantics will be a waste of time).And you continue to miss the point of intermittent fasting which has zero to do with weight loss and as you should be able to tell by the name is not supposed to be done for long continuous periods.You're misrepresenting Sisson's diet IMO. No, he doesn't say you need to abstain from alcohol, but I've never seen anywhere that he endorsed severe caloric restriction so you could drink it all up in alcohol.
He doesn't condone more than a cup of coffee a day, either. 1 is good, but he doesn't believe large amounts of a beverage that get you wired is healthy. It's all about moderation. The key to any diet, including mine.
IMO, the advice you guys are giving Otis is kind of irresponsible. I think you're delusional if you believe what he's doing right now is healthy.
I was spot on with that one. And I am guessing you misunderstood whatever you think Maruile wrote. Although I guess stranger things have happened.
I don't think there's any real dispute about whether corn is a grain. It's the seed of a cereal grass. That makes it a grain. I don't think you'll find a competent source that states otherwise.Botanically speaking, it's also a fruit, because all grains are botanically fruits. And it's also a vegetable, because it's not an animal or a mineral — i.e., it's a plant. But in normal usage, "vegetable" doesn't just mean plant; it means the part of the plant that's not a fruit, nut, seed, or grain. Because corn is a grain, it's not a vegetable in that sense.According to some sources, and not others. Kind of like all of the differing opinions on healthy diet itself.Yeah, it's a grain.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grainhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CornI knew that bait would get someone.
That whole thing is ridiculous. Lots of vegetables aren't roots. Spinach, for example. (What is a "root plant"? All plants have roots.)Of course corn grows from a seed. Monsanto makes a lot of money selling such seeds.
Responding to any of this stuff has pretty much been a waste of time. You're a know-it-all cult diet nerd, and seem pretty full of yourself. I look forward to reading your books on the subject though.Shockingly you missed the point on that post too. If you choose to read it as an endorsement of drinking all your calories as red wine then that's on you. (Should I bother telling you that a response based upon semantics will be a waste of time).And you continue to miss the point of intermittent fasting which has zero to do with weight loss and as you should be able to tell by the name is not supposed to be done for long continuous periods.You're misrepresenting Sisson's diet IMO. No, he doesn't say you need to abstain from alcohol, but I've never seen anywhere that he endorsed severe caloric restriction so you could drink it all up in alcohol.
He doesn't condone more than a cup of coffee a day, either. 1 is good, but he doesn't believe large amounts of a beverage that get you wired is healthy. It's all about moderation. The key to any diet, including mine.
IMO, the advice you guys are giving Otis is kind of irresponsible. I think you're delusional if you believe what he's doing right now is healthy.
You are either mixing me up with another poster, not reading what I am writing or intentionally misrepresenting what I am saying.
You also don't appear to have a good grasp on the lifestyle I am talking about.
You're not very good at this.
