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Bob Sanders was a sell high (1 Viewer)

Hoss_Cartwright

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Even though I really like Sanders, and he means a lot to the Colts run defense, but isn't the amount of money they're paying him too much for a part time player? Hell, ever since he came into the league he's missed a LOT of games. He's a runt that just so happens to be very physical when he does play. He isn't able to stay on the field because of his size coupled with his style of play. I'm thinking he was a sell high after his defensive player of the year award.

 
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Even though I really like Sanders, and he means a lot to the Colts run defense, but isn't the amount of money they're paying him too much for a part time player? Hell, ever since he came into the league he's missed a LOT of games. He's a runt that just so happens to be very physical when he does play. He isn't able to stay on the field because of his size coupled with his style of play. I'm thinking he was a sell high after his defensive player of the year award.
Sell high? wtf. Anyway, they only need him for 3-4 games, the playoffs.
 
Even though I really like Sanders, and he means a lot to the Colts run defense, but isn't the amount of money they're paying him too much for a part time player? Hell, ever since he came into the league he's missed a LOT of games. He's a runt that just so happens to be very physical when he does play. He isn't able to stay on the field because of his size coupled with his style of play. I'm thinking he was a sell high after his defensive player of the year award.
Sell high? wtf. Anyway, they only need him for 3-4 games, the playoffs.
I agree that if they were guaranteed to have him at playoff time, then he would be worth the money. I said sell high after he won defensive player of the year because he can't stay on the field enough to justify his new contract. They knew his history when they offered the contract.
 
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"sell high" doesn't really apply with the real league. You just don't get great value unless you're trading a WR to Dallas.

 
Even though I really like Sanders, and he means a lot to the Colts run defense, but isn't the amount of money they're paying him too much for a part time player? Hell, ever since he came into the league he's missed a LOT of games. He's a runt that just so happens to be very physical when he does play. He isn't able to stay on the field because of his size coupled with his style of play. I'm thinking he was a sell high after his defensive player of the year award.
"Sell high?" Is this a serious post?
 
Report: Colts SS Bob Sanders done for season

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that Colts SS Bob Sanders is done for the season after being diagnosed with a torn biceps tendon.

The tear was discovered while Dr. James Andrews performed what likely was initially only intended to be a "scope" on Sanders' elbow. The loss vaults Melvin Bullitt into the starting lineup full time. Bullitt is one of the top backup safeties in the game, but Sanders is a better playmaker. The Colts are still lucky to have terrific depth and an outstanding scheme. Nov. 6 - 1:04 pm et

:sigh:

 
Hayden is the injury that is frustrating - because that means Tim Jennings as the nickel CB (this is bad for the Colts - good for the opponents). Sanders is basically a luxury at this point - he looked rusty when he did play.

 
Dwight Freeney was a "sell high" a few years ago too. The Colts look to be one for two at least.

BTW - I don't think using the phrase "sell high" when discussing an NFL situation/player/contract helps your argument. It just makes you sound like a fantasy football honk...NTTAWWT. ;)

 
Hoss_Cartwright said:
Report: Colts SS Bob Sanders done for season ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that Colts SS Bob Sanders is done for the season after being diagnosed with a torn biceps tendon.The tear was discovered while Dr. James Andrews performed what likely was initially only intended to be a "scope" on Sanders' elbow. The loss vaults Melvin Bullitt into the starting lineup full time. Bullitt is one of the top backup safeties in the game, but Sanders is a better playmaker. The Colts are still lucky to have terrific depth and an outstanding scheme. Nov. 6 - 1:04 pm et :sigh:
Wow...huge blow. The Colts defense is really getting hit with the injury bug.
 
I understand the frustration of Colts fans when a starter is rarely able to play, but I think difference-making players like Bob Sanders can win you championships. Suggestions that he would be cut in the off-season (in the Indy Star) make no sense to me. At a salary of less than $3 million, I'll happily roll the dice that he somehow stays healthy for next year's playoff run.

 
Not sure about this, but I don't think the Colts are a fantasy team.
No one said they were. NFL teams like to get the most for their trades too you know. After Sanders won POY they knew he was fragile. That would have been a good time to trade him for max value before signing him to his latest contract. 12/28/2007: Signed a five-year, $37.5 million contract extension through 2012 The 2007 Defensive POY has played in just 27 of a possible 64 games over the last four seasons
 
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Bob Sanders-DB-Colts Sep. 13 - 8:10 am et

Mike Florio of Profootballtalk.com passes along unconfirmed rumors that Bob Sanders elbow injury may be season ending.

This guy is Mr. Glass. Sanders missed 24 games over the previous two season due to injury and has only played in 14 games or more twice in his six-year career. Melvin Bullitt, who was filled in for Sanders last year, will step in at strong safety.

Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com

Related: Melvin Bullitt

 
The Indianapolis Star's Phillip Wilson believes Bob Sanders' (torn biceps tendon) Colts career is likely over if the strong safety is done for the season.

Sanders' base salary jumps from $2.275 million in 2010 to $5.5 million in 2011 and $7 million in 2012. "I don't see how they would bring him back for $5 million and change," says Wilson. Sanders has missed more games than he's played in his career. It's probably time to give up the ghost and turn the position over to Melvin Bullitt.

Source: Indianapolis Star

 
I agreed with the OP, Johnny...and agreed this offseason, and agree even more now. Love the guy, but if the Colts have NOT been shopping him since the end of last season....then they've really missed the boat. I like to think Polian has been trying to get someone to bite, and just hasn't had any serious takers. I'm not sure how any franchise could take him on even with his current contract. At vet minimum he's a steal if/when he gets on the field, but his current deal is a joke for someone as fragile as he is.

 
Hayden is the injury that is frustrating - because that means Tim Jennings as the nickel CB (this is bad for the Colts - good for the opponents). Sanders is basically a luxury at this point - he looked rusty when he did play.
I am sorry - what is wrong with Hayden? Sorry to ask, but I cannot find any information anywhere, and I did not hear he was hurt.
 
GordonGekko said:
Even though I really like Sanders, and he means a lot to the Colts run defense, but isn't the amount of money they're paying him too much for a part time player? Hell, ever since he came into the league he's missed a LOT of games. He's a runt that just so happens to be very physical when he does play. He isn't able to stay on the field because of his size coupled with his style of play. I'm thinking he was a sell high after his defensive player of the year award.
Uh, did you consider that Sanders value is most "high" with the Colts, based on the defensive system they run?And that he would be less valuable to other teams, as the systems they run wouldn't be able to integrate Sanders strengths and limit his weaknesses?Also did you consider that given the salary cap era, that the safety position is one that has become, in many situations, devalued over time in terms of cap allotment that teams are willing to commit to hence are more readily replaceable? ( i.e. along with kicker, full back, linebacker, blocking tight end and running back) Safety is also one of the few positions on the field that is a "slideback" role. If you have a corner that is getting old or one who has physical elements that aren't suited for cornerback, you can plug him in at safety. If you have a nickel linebacker that primarily spies the tight end or a mobile QB, you can also try to jam him in at safety. A WR that can't do anything else is probably done. A RB that can't do anything else is done. No other positions easily flow in or out. Sometimes a blocking TE can play offensive line. Sometimes a defensive end can play linebacker or a linebacker in reverse can add weight and play the line, but it's not common. I can trade for Bob Sanders, who might or might not fit my system, or I can 1) Draft one. I can probably find a servicable one later in the draft. It's not like QB or LT where I need one from the first round.2) Find one from free agency. Plenty get let loose on the market year after year. 3) Shift a cornerback who is long in the tooth but still can play, either on my existing roster or from FAIndividual players can change the complexion of your defense. Bruschi with the Patriots. Trottier with the Iggles. Offerdahl with the old Dolphins. Charles Haley when the 49ers lost him. Deion Sanders. Derrick Brooks. There are players when you put them in, the defense is a different kind of beast, and when you take that one player out, it's a different kind of prey. Sanders makes that Colts D go. It's a different defense when hes healthy and making plays. It is, however, not an elite defense. It's intentionally resource starved on that side of the ball to be a complimentary unit for the powerful Colts offense.
Very well written :thumbsup: Having said that, Bob Sanders isn't just a Safety who would only fit in the Colts system IMO. It's not the same as smallish defensive lineman and linebackers. I'm pretty sure Sanders' style of play would fit well on lots of teams, it's just his style of play coupled with his size is the reason he can't stay healthy.
 
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GordonGekko said:
Even though I really like Sanders, and he means a lot to the Colts run defense, but isn't the amount of money they're paying him too much for a part time player? Hell, ever since he came into the league he's missed a LOT of games. He's a runt that just so happens to be very physical when he does play. He isn't able to stay on the field because of his size coupled with his style of play. I'm thinking he was a sell high after his defensive player of the year award.
Uh, did you consider that Sanders value is most "high" with the Colts, based on the defensive system they run?And that he would be less valuable to other teams, as the systems they run wouldn't be able to integrate Sanders strengths and limit his weaknesses?Also did you consider that given the salary cap era, that the safety position is one that has become, in many situations, devalued over time in terms of cap allotment that teams are willing to commit to hence are more readily replaceable? ( i.e. along with kicker, full back, linebacker, blocking tight end and running back) Safety is also one of the few positions on the field that is a "slideback" role. If you have a corner that is getting old or one who has physical elements that aren't suited for cornerback, you can plug him in at safety. If you have a nickel linebacker that primarily spies the tight end or a mobile QB, you can also try to jam him in at safety. A WR that can't do anything else is probably done. A RB that can't do anything else is done. No other positions easily flow in or out. Sometimes a blocking TE can play offensive line. Sometimes a defensive end can play linebacker or a linebacker in reverse can add weight and play the line, but it's not common. I can trade for Bob Sanders, who might or might not fit my system, or I can 1) Draft one. I can probably find a servicable one later in the draft. It's not like QB or LT where I need one from the first round.2) Find one from free agency. Plenty get let loose on the market year after year. 3) Shift a cornerback who is long in the tooth but still can play, either on my existing roster or from FAIndividual players can change the complexion of your defense. Bruschi with the Patriots. Trottier with the Iggles. Offerdahl with the old Dolphins. Charles Haley when the 49ers lost him. Deion Sanders. Derrick Brooks. There are players when you put them in, the defense is a different kind of beast, and when you take that one player out, it's a different kind of prey. Sanders makes that Colts D go. It's a different defense when hes healthy and making plays. It is, however, not an elite defense. It's intentionally resource starved on that side of the ball to be a complimentary unit for the powerful Colts offense.
The 2009 Giants disagree with your assessment on the value of safeties.
 
per ESPN 1070 in Indy:

Bob Sanders has undergone surgery by Dr. James Andrews for a torn biceps tendon. Will remain on 53-man roster; no timetable for return.

 
I hope so he's going to cost way too much money next year.

Someone else will sign him and he'll never miss another game due to injury.

 
Sanders is due to make $620,00 (plus a $2.17 million signing bonus and a $2.83 roster bonus) in 2010, $5.5 million in 2011 and $7 million in 2012. He turns 29 next February and beat writer Philip B. Wilson speculates that the Colts will cut their losses in the offseason to free up salary.

 
Hoss, what do you feel the Colts could have gotten for Sanders during the offseason following the 2008 season?

 
Well since you bumped this thread so you would get accolades, here goes....

Way to go Hoss, you are unbelievable. Nobody is as smart as you!

 
Well since you bumped this thread so you would get accolades, here goes....Way to go Hoss, you are unbelievable. Nobody is as smart as you!
Like it or not, he really did nail it. There are enough people around the SP that are all too quick to crap on guys that go out on a limb and fall flat that I think we also need to recognize when guys crush it. Even if they bump their own thread. Truth of the matter is, nobody else will. Tip 'o the hat to Hoss.
 
FantasyTrader said:
buck naked said:
Well since you bumped this thread so you would get accolades, here goes....Way to go Hoss, you are unbelievable. Nobody is as smart as you!
Like it or not, he really did nail it. There are enough people around the SP that are all too quick to crap on guys that go out on a limb and fall flat that I think we also need to recognize when guys crush it. Even if they bump their own thread. Truth of the matter is, nobody else will. Tip 'o the hat to Hoss.
Word. Good call Hoss AKA Johnny
 
FantasyTrader said:
buck naked said:
Well since you bumped this thread so you would get accolades, here goes....Way to go Hoss, you are unbelievable. Nobody is as smart as you!
Like it or not, he really did nail it. There are enough people around the SP that are all too quick to crap on guys that go out on a limb and fall flat that I think we also need to recognize when guys crush it. Even if they bump their own thread. Truth of the matter is, nobody else will. Tip 'o the hat to Hoss.
:goodposting: People are haters, just let them hate.Live your life. Get your hustle on. Understand people are gonna hate you regardless. Get that out of your head, that fantasy world where people ain't hating on you. You gotta be grateful. You need haters. What you complaining about? What do you think a haters job is? To freaking hate. So let them do their dang job. What you complaining about? Ladies if you got 14 women hating on you, you need to figure out how the hell to get to 16 before the summer gets here. What you mad about? Fellas, if you got 20 haters, you need 40 of those sobs. What you complaining about? If there are any haters in here right now that don't have anybody to hate on, feel free to hate on me. Sit back and say my hair ain't luxurious when you know it is, #####. - KATT WILLIAMS and now, ME!People love to hate on others to try to prove a point or because they aint nothing themself....or just jealous!Bump this thread as many times as you want, and heck, I say rub it in the faces to get even more haters. I love haters, or else I wouldnt act the way I am.And because I am who I am, I'll help you keep this bumped.Its about right and wrong. If you were wrong you would be hated on, if your right your gonna be hated on Still. So be right and get the hate, instead of being wrong and getting the hate. No one on here ever gets the credit they are do. If your right and your hated, in their eyes you will always be wrong.Props to Hoss, is this a big deal thing to be right about? prolly not. But if your hated on in any way shape or form for being right, just lets you know the ignints in this world. Just like the people who defend drunk drivers.
 
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FantasyTrader said:
buck naked said:
Well since you bumped this thread so you would get accolades, here goes....Way to go Hoss, you are unbelievable. Nobody is as smart as you!
Like it or not, he really did nail it. There are enough people around the SP that are all too quick to crap on guys that go out on a limb and fall flat that I think we also need to recognize when guys crush it. Even if they bump their own thread. Truth of the matter is, nobody else will. Tip 'o the hat to Hoss.
:goodposting: People are haters, just let them hate.Live your life. Get your hustle on. Understand people are gonna hate you regardless. Get that out of your head, that fantasy world where people ain't hating on you. You gotta be grateful. You need haters. What you complaining about? What do you think a haters job is? To freaking hate. So let them do their dang job. What you complaining about? Ladies if you got 14 women hating on you, you need to figure out how the hell to get to 16 before the summer gets here. What you mad about? Fellas, if you got 20 haters, you need 40 of those sobs. What you complaining about? If there are any haters in here right now that don't have anybody to hate on, feel free to hate on me. Sit back and say my hair ain't luxurious when you know it is, #####. - KATT WILLIAMS and now, ME!People love to hate on others to try to prove a point or because they aint nothing themself....or just jealous!Bump this thread as many times as you want, and heck, I say rub it in the faces to get even more haters. I love haters, or else I wouldnt act the way I am.And because I am who I am, I'll help you keep this bumped.Its about right and wrong. If you were wrong you would be hated on, if your right your gonna be hated on Still. So be right and get the hate, instead of being wrong and getting the hate. No one on here ever gets the credit they are do. If your right and your hated, in their eyes you will always be wrong.Props to Hoss, is this a big deal thing to be right about? prolly not. But if your hated on in any way shape or form for being right, just lets you know the ignints in this world. Just like the people who defend drunk drivers.
You listen to way too much rap music.
 
FantasyTrader said:
buck naked said:
Well since you bumped this thread so you would get accolades, here goes....Way to go Hoss, you are unbelievable. Nobody is as smart as you!
Like it or not, he really did nail it. There are enough people around the SP that are all too quick to crap on guys that go out on a limb and fall flat that I think we also need to recognize when guys crush it. Even if they bump their own thread. Truth of the matter is, nobody else will. Tip 'o the hat to Hoss.
:mellow: People are haters, just let them hate.Live your life. Get your hustle on. Understand people are gonna hate you regardless. Get that out of your head, that fantasy world where people ain't hating on you. You gotta be grateful. You need haters. What you complaining about? What do you think a haters job is? To freaking hate. So let them do their dang job. What you complaining about? Ladies if you got 14 women hating on you, you need to figure out how the hell to get to 16 before the summer gets here. What you mad about? Fellas, if you got 20 haters, you need 40 of those sobs. What you complaining about? If there are any haters in here right now that don't have anybody to hate on, feel free to hate on me. Sit back and say my hair ain't luxurious when you know it is, #####. - KATT WILLIAMS and now, ME!People love to hate on others to try to prove a point or because they aint nothing themself....or just jealous!Bump this thread as many times as you want, and heck, I say rub it in the faces to get even more haters. I love haters, or else I wouldnt act the way I am.And because I am who I am, I'll help you keep this bumped.Its about right and wrong. If you were wrong you would be hated on, if your right your gonna be hated on Still. So be right and get the hate, instead of being wrong and getting the hate. No one on here ever gets the credit they are do. If your right and your hated, in their eyes you will always be wrong.Props to Hoss, is this a big deal thing to be right about? prolly not. But if your hated on in any way shape or form for being right, just lets you know the ignints in this world. Just like the people who defend drunk drivers.
You listen to way too much rap music.
He's a comedian, not a rapper, and I listen to zero rap music.
 
I don't disagree (who could) that they would have been able to sell him high and lost that chance.

I don't think they made a wrong move here though.

As I've said a few times, this is the first defense I can ever recall with two excellent DEs that isn't one of the best in the league. For whatever reason, having two top DEs has always translated to defensive success. They haven't been very good at building a defense for Peyton. Dungy was a great game planner, but I don't even think the super Buc builder did a good job building a D in Indy. My buddy jokes that Steve Emtman was such a bad pick that the Colts haven't drafted well defensively ever since then. I argue they didn't have a notable defense before. I can't even remember the Colts having a very good defense ever. (please don't jump on that too much, just two guys shooting)

Anyhow, here's this guy that when plugged into the lineup suddenly makes them a good defense.

I can only imagine being Jim Irsay and watching his team draft and sign tons of players only to not have a top a defense as a result. After all that, how can you trade away Sanders?

When you widdle defense way down it comes down to simply holding the opponent to less points than your team scores on offense.With Peyton there and some high number of assured points every game....Sanders became bigger than he really was.

I do not know the intricacies of their lineup or gameplan wherein if Sanders returned then they did this and that differently. I do know though, there was a time there that some Colts diehards treated this guy like the second coming of Lawrence Taylor. His reputation was even bigger than how well he played the game.

 
<!--quoteo(post=12932225:date=Feb 18 2011, 10:12 PM:name=Hoss_Cartwright)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hoss_Cartwright @ Feb 18 2011, 10:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=12932225"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=12931868:date=Feb 18 2011, 06:59 PM:name=Adebisi)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Adebisi @ Feb 18 2011, 06:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=12931868"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hoss, what do you feel the Colts could have gotten for Sanders during the offseason following the 2008 season?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Better question is what would they have gotten after their Super Bowl win?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Why is that a better question?
BTW, I asked this because you didn't say anything after their Super Bowl win... you said something at the point when the soonest they could trade him would've been after the '08 season.
 

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