BobbyLayne's PPR Tiers (1 Viewer)

[BobbyLayne]

There are many Tiered Rankings...

This one is mine:

QB

• Tier 1: Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts
• Tier 2: Lamar Jackson, C.J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson
• Tier 3. Kyler Murray, Joe Burrow, Dak Prescott, Jordan Love, Brock Purdy
• Tier 4: Jayden Daniels, Tua Tagovailoa, Jared Goff, Matthew Stafford
• Tier 5: Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, Justin Herbert, Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers
• Tier 6: Deshaun Watson, Baker Mayfield, Geno Smith, Will Levis, Derek Carr, Daniel Jones

WR

• Tier 1: CeeDee Lamb, Tyreek Hill, Ja'Marr Chase, Justin Jefferson, Amon-Ra St. Brown, A.J. Brown, Puka Nacua, Garrett Wilson
• Tier 2: Marvin Harrison Jr, Davante Adams, Chris Olave, Drake London, Mike Evans, Brandon Aiyuk, Nico Collins, Deebo Samuel Sr.
• Tier 3: Cooper Kupp, Jaylen Waddle, DK Metcalf, DJ Moore, DeVonta Smith, Michael Pittman Jr, Stefon Diggs
• Tier 4: Malik Nabers, Amari Cooper, Zay Flowers,Tee Higgins, George Pickens, Tank Dell
• Tier 5: Keenan Allen, Christian Kirk, Terry McLaurin, Calvin Ridley, Chris Godwin, Jayden Reed, Rashee Rice
• Tier 5: Hollywood Brown, Diontae Johnson, Jordan Addison, DeAndre Hopkins, Xavier Worthy, Ladd McConkey
• Tier 6: Christian Watson, Keon Coleman, Jameson Williams, Rome Odunze, Jaxon Smith-Njigba
• Tier 7: Courtland Sutton, Brian Thomas Jr, Tyler Lockett, Curtis Samuel, Khalil Shakir, Mike Williams, Romeo Doubs, Jakobi Meyers
• Tier 8: Xavier Legette, Joshua Palmer, Brandin Cooks, Adonai Mitchell, Rashid Shaheed, Josh Downs, Dontayvion Wicks, Jerry Jeudy
• Tier 9: Gabe Davis, Adam Thielen, Jahan Dotson, Darnell Mooney, DeMario Douglas, Ricky Pearsall, Ja'Lynn Polk, Roman Wilson, Troy Franklin

RB

• Tier 1: Christian McCaffrey, Breece Hall, Bijan Robinson, Jahmyr Gibbs, Jonathan Taylor, Saquon Barkley
• Tier 2: Kyren Williams, Derrick Henry, Travis Etienne Jr, Isiah Pacheco, De'Von Achane
• Tier 3: Josh Jacobs, James Cook, Rachaad White, Alvin Kamara, Joe Mixon, Kenneth Walker III
• Tier 4: James Conner, Aaron Jones, David Montgomery, Zamir White, Rhamondre Stevenson, D'Andre Swift
• Tier 5: Najee Harris, Raheem Mostert, Tony Pollard, Jonathon Brooks, Zack Moss, Jaylen Warren
• Tier 6: Austin Ekeler, Nick Chubb, Brian Robinson Jr, Javonte Williams, Devin Singletary, Tyjae Spears
• Tier 7: Chase Brown, Ezekiel Elliott, Gus Edwards, Trey Benson, Blake Corum, Marshawn Lloyd
• Tier 8: Jerome Ford, Zach Charbonnet, J.K. Dobbins, Chuba Hubbard, Ty Chandler, Tyler Allgeier, Rico Dowdle, Khalil Herbert
• Tier 9: Antonio Gibson, Jaylen Wright, Jaleel McLaughlin, Kendre Miller, Elijah Mitchell, Tyrone Tracy Jr, Kimani Vidal, Roschon Johnson

TE

• Tier 1: Sam LaPorta, Travis Kelce
• Tier 2: Trey McBride, Mark Andrews
• Tier 3: Dalton Kincaid, George Kittle, Kyle Pitts
• Tier 4: Evan Engram, Jake Ferguson, David Njoku, Brock Bowers
• Tier 5: Dallas Goedert, Pat Freiermuth, Dalton Schultz, T.J. Hockenson, Cole Kmet
• Tier 6: Luke Musgrave, Hunter Henry, Cade Otton, Tyler Conklin
• Tier 7: Chigoziem Okonkwo, Noah Fant, Taysom Hill, Ben Sinnott, Juwan Johnson

K

• Tier 1: Justin Tucker, Brandon Aubrey, Harrison Butker
• Tier 2: Jason Sanders, Ka'imi Fairbairn, Jake Elliott, Jake Moody, Tyler Bass, Younghoe Koo
• Tier 3: Evan McPherson, Matt Gay, Cameron Dicker, Dustin Hopkins, Jake Bates
• Tier 4: Cairo Santos, Jason Myers, Daniel Carlson, Greg Zuerlein, Blake Grupe
• Tier 5: Chris Boswell, Wil Lutz, Joshua Karty, Will Reichard

DST

• Tier 1: San Francisco 49ers, Dallas Cowboys, Baltimore Ravens, New York Jets, Cleveland Browns
• Tier 2: Kansas City Chiefs, Pittsburgh Steelers, Miami Dolphins, Buffalo Bills
• Tier 3: Philadelphia Eagles, Houston Texans, Cincinnati Bengals
• Tier 4: Tampa Bay Buccaneers, New Orleans Saints, Chicago Bears
• Tier 5: Detroit Lions, Indianapolis Colts, Las Vegas Raiders
• Tier 6: Seattle Seahawks, Los Angeles Chargers, Minnesota Vikings, New York Giants, New England Patriots
• Tier 7: Green Bay Packers, Washington Commanders, Denver Broncos, Arizona Cardinals, Jacksonville Jaguars
• Tier 8: Los Angeles Rams, Tennessee Titans, Atlanta Falcons, Carolina Panthers

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[Ministry of Pain]

Nacua Tier 1
Kupp Tier 3

Just curious why you feel so strongly? An chance 2023 is not allowing you to think as freely about 2024
Mr Cognitive Dissonance

J/K
Lot of folks feel that way

 

[BobbyLayne]

Nacua Tier 1
Kupp Tier 3

Just curious why you feel so strongly? An chance 2023 is not allowing you to think as freely about 2024
Mr Cognitive Dissonance

J/K
Lot of folks feel that way

Injury risk, age, and Puka is fr fr

 

[BobbyLayne]

No real hot takes other than not believing in Pittman or Diggs.

I might reach a little to grab Tank Dell, my hunch is Stefon will be the slot and the high value targets will be the 2 incumbents playing the outside.

But I'm pretty conventional for the most part. It has served me well over the decades.

Seems like everyone is doing hero RB this year? I could see taking an anchor then 3-4 WRs before I go back to RB. But if too many are doing that then I'll have to do the ole zig-zag.

Last year I started WR-WR-WR, and that wasn't great - had the Chase-Burrow stack (ouch), Waddle, Olave. Ended up starting Goff most of the year.

Couple trades were crucial to winning my first championship in 8 years in my main league:

• sent Kincaid off for LaPorta week 1
• month later dealt Addison for the disappointing Gibbs.

Oh, and Jayden Reed in the 18th round worked out pretty nice.

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Will probably take TE and QB after 5-7 are off the board. Just not seeing much differentiation in the former, and historically I don't invest early picks in QB (Burrow in the 5th last year was an exception.) I do like a lot of pass catcher/CoP backs, will load up in the back half.

Our live draft is 20 days away, but if I was picking rn I think the *general plan* MIGHT be something like this (don't have the draft order yet):

1. RB
2. WR
3. WR
4. WR
5. TE
6. WR
7. QB
8. RB
9. RB
10. WR
11. RB
12. QB
13. RB
14. TE
15. RB
16. DST
17. K
18. WR

But drafts are fluid, always want to be flexible.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Tier 2: Marvin Harrison Jr, Davante Adams, Chris Olave, Drake London, Mike Evans, Brandon Aiyuk, Nico Collins, Deebo Samuel Sr.

Does the BA situation bother you any? A rumored last minute trade could make things even messier than they already are.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Tier 2: Marvin Harrison Jr, Davante Adams, Chris Olave, Drake London, Mike Evans, Brandon Aiyuk, Nico Collins, Deebo Samuel Sr.

Does the BA situation bother you any? A rumored last minute trade could make things even messier than they already are.

Well I dropped him about 15 spots in my overall rankings, might bump him up when we get clarity. For now I wouldn't take him until late 3rd but a lot could change in the next 3 weeks.

Even if it works out, I don't think he has the volume to finish as a Top 5 WR. Harrison, Olave and London could massively outperform their ADP in my amateur opinion.

I also think Amon-Ra could have an AB kind of season and finish #1 overall - I could see taking him over JJ and Chase. Just depends if Hall or Bijan are still on the board.

 

[TheWinz]

You and I had a quick back and forth in the kicker thread about DET since Dan Campbell came to DET in 2021. You wrote:

• 2023 21 FGA (32nd)
• 2022 30 FGA (27th)
• 2021 30 FGA (24th)

I've never understood why anyone was rostering a Lions kicker. Not because they rarely have hit from 50+ since Prater left (2020), but because they don't get many attempts.

Campbell would much rather go for it once they cross midfield instead of kicking a FG. Said this morning having a big leg kicker probably won't alter his style because they'd rather try to keep the drive alive and score a TD.

After saying all this, why did you rank Bates as a top 14 kicker?

 

[BobbyLayne]

You and I had a quick back and forth in the kicker thread about DET since Dan Campbell came to DET in 2021. You wrote:

• 2023 21 FGA (32nd)
• 2022 30 FGA (27th)
• 2021 30 FGA (24th)

I've never understood why anyone was rostering a Lions kicker. Not because they rarely have hit from 50+ since Prater left (2020), but because they don't get many attempts.

Campbell would much rather go for it once they cross midfield instead of kicking a FG. Said this morning having a big leg kicker probably won't alter his style because they'd rather try to keep the drive alive and score a TD.

After saying all this, why did you rank Bates as a top 14 kicker?

The possibility of 15-18 point spike weeks. Presuming 4 points for 40-49 & 5 for 50+. He might have some end-of-half FGA from 65-70.

He also might not make the team. Had a couple rough days last week. They’re in Jersey for joint practices with the G-men but they might sign another K for competition.

 

[BassNBrew]

There are many Tiered Rankings...

This one is mine:

QB

• Tier 1: Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts
• Tier 2: Lamar Jackson, C.J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson, Kyler Murray, Joe Burrow, Dak Prescott, Jordan Love, Brock Purdy
• Tier 3: Jayden Daniels, Tua Tagovailoa, Jared Goff, Matthew Stafford, Trevor Lawrence, Kirk Cousins
• Tier 5: Caleb Williams, Justin Herbert, Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson, Baker Mayfield
• Tier 6: Geno Smith, Will Levis, Derek Carr, Daniel Jones

WR

• Tier 1: CeeDee Lamb, Tyreek Hill, Ja'Marr Chase, Justin Jefferson, Amon-Ra St. Brown, A.J. Brown, Puka Nacua, Garrett Wilson
• Tier 2: Puka Nacua, Marvin Harrison Jr, Davante Adams, Chris Olave, Drake London, Mike Evans, Brandon Aiyuk, Nico Collins, Deebo Samuel Sr., Cooper Kupp, Jaylen Waddle, DK Metcalf, DJ Moore, DeVonta Smith, Michael Pittman Jr, Stefon Diggs
• Tier 3: Malik Nabers, Amari Cooper, Zay Flowers,Tee Higgins, George Pickens, Tank Dell, Christian Kirk
• Tier 4: Keenan Allen, Terry McLaurin, Calvin Ridley, Chris Godwin, Jayden Reed, Rashee Rice
• Tier 5: Hollywood Brown, Diontae Johnson, Jordan Addison, DeAndre Hopkins, Ladd McConkey, Joshua Palmer
• Tier 6: Christian Watson, Jameson Williams, Jaxon Smith-Njigba
• Tier 7: Courtland Sutton, Brian Thomas Jr, Tyler Lockett, Keon Coleman, Curtis Samuel, Khalil Shakir, Mike Williams, Romeo Doubs, Jakobi Meyers, Xavier Worthy, Brand0n Cooks
• Tier 8: Xavier Legette, Adonai Mitchell, Rashid Shaheed, Josh Downs, Dontayvion Wicks, Jerry Jeudy, Gabe Davis, Adam Thielen, Jahan Dotson, Darnell Mooney, DeMario Douglas, Ricky Pearsall, Ja'Lynn Polk, Roman Wilson, Troy Franklin, Rome Odunze,

My opinion:

QB tier 2 and 3 belong together. Bump Lawrence, Watson, and Mayfield.

WR tier 2 and 3 are the same IMO. Tier 8 and 9 are hope and prayer trash heap so I lumped them together. Kirk needed a big up. The rest are minor tweaks.

May get back to the others later.

 

[Ilov80s]

Appreciate the effort. A couple questions:

What puts Andrews a tier below LaPorta and Kelce?
Why is Stroud a tier above Love?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Appreciate the effort. A couple questions:

What puts Andrews a tier below LaPorta and Kelce?
Why is Stroud a tier above Love?

Andrews - lower projected volume; one outlier year with 153 targets but don’t think we’ll ever see that again. But I also think any of the Top 7 TEs could finish TE1.

Some prefer to consolidate in those situations. I could see that; in my mind as I’m drafting, I do kind of mentally think “I can get the same kind of guy in the next round or two rounds from now.”

I see distinctions; I have spent months tweaking projections from all 32 teams. But I get some think it’s easier to just simplify. That’s not how my mind works, but I’m also not so strident in my projections to insist it has to be “this and this only.”

 

[FarFromHome]

Well done man. Appreciate the work. At first glance.

QBs. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Only thing i saw that stood out was having Jayden Daniels in same tier as Goff and Stafford. Not a big deal but it stood out.

Rbs. Nitpicking here to give u feedback. Pollard struggled last year and has to compete with Spears, but dude has all the tools to smash. Gotta move him up to at least Connor. Zeke. Guys body is just about to stop working. I saw a practice video of him barely being able to walk after a drill. Move him down a lot.

Wrs. Puka. I was on here last saying he is a tough dude that runs great routes, but nothing special. I was off. I was wrong. I just still can't put him near anyone of those guys based on pure talent. Just can't. Diggs is gonna get targets. Enough to ruin expectations off all Texans wrs. I am just a few rounds below most on all of them. Just feels like they all take turns having big weeks. Dk Metcalf. Based on talent and physical ability, I will debate Elon Musk that he has more then any wr in the league. Now an offensive change in philosophy leaning more towards pass? Hell ya

TEs. Dalton Kincaid is my flag plant. 1000 targets available. If he can get a decent chunk of RedZone targets this dude is gonna be the #1 scoring tight end. Pat Freiermuth. Lots of targets up for grabs. Dudes solid. Id move him near engram.


Appreciate the time. Love the discussion

 

[pinkstapler]

My tiered rankings are my best friend. They are my life. I must master them as I master my life.

Without me, my tiered rankings are useless. Without my tiered rankings, I am useless.

Nice rankings, appreciate the effort, and align quite a bit more than I expected as I thought I was off consensus more this year than most.

 

[Ilov80s]

Appreciate the effort. A couple questions:

What puts Andrews a tier below LaPorta and Kelce?
Why is Stroud a tier above Love?

Andrews - lower projected volume; one outlier year with 153 targets but don’t think we’ll ever see that again. But I also think any of the Top 7 TEs could finish TE1.

Some prefer to consolidate in those situations. I could see that; in my mind as I’m drafting, I do kind of mentally think “I can get the same kind of guy in the next round or two rounds from now.”

I see distinctions; I have spent months tweaking projections from all 32 teams. But I get some think it’s easier to just simplify. That’s not how my mind works, but I’m also not so strident in my projections to insist it has to be “this and this only.”

Cool- always like seeing other peope's thoughts to help me sort out why I have the guys where I do. I guess my thoughts with Andrews are that I agree no way he (or probably any TE see 153 targets this year) but last season if you remove the game he got hurt in, he was averaging 14.5 ppr ppg. Kelce was 14.8, LaPorta was 13.8. I still see him as one of the guys with the best chance to be the TE1. But I am also not drafting him very often because like you said there are like 7 guys. I mean Evan Engram is going so much later and he was TE4 last year in PPR PPG.

 

[Ilov80s]

QBs. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Only thing i saw that stood out was having Jayden Daniels in same tier as Goff and Stafford. Not a big deal but it stood out.

That makes sense to me even though they are kind of opposite profiles. Goff is very safe and reliable but there's pretty much no way he cracks the top 3 and is a league winner. Daniels has the rushing where he could actually do that. However, Daniels is not safe at all and could be a disaster. So they come to the tier in different ways but I get that they both belong there.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Appreciate the effort. A couple questions:

What puts Andrews a tier below LaPorta and Kelce?
Why is Stroud a tier above Love?

Andrews - lower projected volume; one outlier year with 153 targets but don’t think we’ll ever see that again. But I also think any of the Top 7 TEs could finish TE1.

Some prefer to consolidate in those situations. I could see that; in my mind as I’m drafting, I do kind of mentally think “I can get the same kind of guy in the next round or two rounds from now.”

I see distinctions; I have spent months tweaking projections from all 32 teams. But I get some think it’s easier to just simplify. That’s not how my mind works, but I’m also not so strident in my projections to insist it has to be “this and this only.”

Cool- always like seeing other peope's thoughts to help me sort out why I have the guys where I do. I guess my thoughts with Andrews are that I agree no way he (or probably any TE see 153 targets this year) but last season if you remove the game he got hurt in, he was averaging 14.5 ppr ppg. Kelce was 14.8, LaPorta was 13.8. I still see him as one of the guys with the best chance to be the TE1. But I am also not drafting him very often because like you said there are like 7 guys. I mean Evan Engram is going so much later and he was TE4 last year in PPR PPG.

Baltimore might have some OL issues this year. Feel like they won’t be as good of an offense, though I do love Henry this year.

Engram racked up a ton of targets when Kirk was out. Plus he is always like a 2-3-4 TD guy. I could see people taking Ferguson over him.

I’m comfortable punting either QB or TE. I’ve won titles streaming, if you have robust WR/RB it matters less. K drives me nuts but I consistently have a couple good DSTs by the end of September.

 

[FarFromHome]

QBs. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Only thing i saw that stood out was having Jayden Daniels in same tier as Goff and Stafford. Not a big deal but it stood out.

That makes sense to me even though they are kind of opposite profiles. Goff is very safe and reliable but there's pretty much no way he cracks the top 3 and is a league winner. Daniels has the rushing where he could actually do that. However, Daniels is not safe at all and could be a disaster. So they come to the tier in different ways but I get that they both belong there.

I get it. I break it down like if I had a million dollar buy in league I would feel way better starting Goff over Daniels. But then again I'd be playing to win my money back while those that choose Daniels would be playing to win 5 million. Ha ha

 

[BobbyLayne]

There are many Tiered Rankings...

This one is mine:

QB

• Tier 1: Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts
• Tier 2: Lamar Jackson, C.J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson, Kyler Murray, Joe Burrow, Dak Prescott, Jordan Love, Brock Purdy
• Tier 3: Jayden Daniels, Tua Tagovailoa, Jared Goff, Matthew Stafford, Trevor Lawrence, Kirk Cousins
• Tier 5: Caleb Williams, Justin Herbert, Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson, Baker Mayfield
• Tier 6: Geno Smith, Will Levis, Derek Carr, Daniel Jones

WR

• Tier 1: CeeDee Lamb, Tyreek Hill, Ja'Marr Chase, Justin Jefferson, Amon-Ra St. Brown, A.J. Brown, Puka Nacua, Garrett Wilson
• Tier 2: Puka Nacua, Marvin Harrison Jr, Davante Adams, Chris Olave, Drake London, Mike Evans, Brandon Aiyuk, Nico Collins, Deebo Samuel Sr., Cooper Kupp, Jaylen Waddle, DK Metcalf, DJ Moore, DeVonta Smith, Michael Pittman Jr, Stefon Diggs
• Tier 3: Malik Nabers, Amari Cooper, Zay Flowers,Tee Higgins, George Pickens, Tank Dell, Christian Kirk
• Tier 4: Keenan Allen, Terry McLaurin, Calvin Ridley, Chris Godwin, Jayden Reed, Rashee Rice
• Tier 5: Hollywood Brown, Diontae Johnson, Jordan Addison, DeAndre Hopkins, Ladd McConkey, Joshua Palmer
• Tier 6: Christian Watson, Jameson Williams, Jaxon Smith-Njigba
• Tier 7: Courtland Sutton, Brian Thomas Jr, Tyler Lockett, Keon Coleman, Curtis Samuel, Khalil Shakir, Mike Williams, Romeo Doubs, Jakobi Meyers, Xavier Worthy, Brand0n Cooks
• Tier 8: Xavier Legette, Adonai Mitchell, Rashid Shaheed, Josh Downs, Dontayvion Wicks, Jerry Jeudy, Gabe Davis, Adam Thielen, Jahan Dotson, Darnell Mooney, DeMario Douglas, Ricky Pearsall, Ja'Lynn Polk, Roman Wilson, Troy Franklin, Rome Odunze,

My opinion:

QB tier 2 and 3 belong together. Bump Lawrence, Watson, and Mayfield.

WR tier 2 and 3 are the same IMO. Tier 8 and 9 are hope and prayer trash heap so I lumped them together. Kirk needed a big up. The rest are minor tweaks.

May get back to the others later.

I have 563 players projected, ranked and tiered. I don’t start consolidating [Tiers] until around pick 325.

Our league is 18 rounds, 216. But there’s value in learning about obscure players wrt FAAB this year and ongoing development of young ‘uns.

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[FarFromHome]

There are many Tiered Rankings...

This one is mine:

QB

• Tier 1: Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts
• Tier 2: Lamar Jackson, C.J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson, Kyler Murray, Joe Burrow, Dak Prescott, Jordan Love, Brock Purdy
• Tier 3: Jayden Daniels, Tua Tagovailoa, Jared Goff, Matthew Stafford, Trevor Lawrence, Kirk Cousins
• Tier 5: Caleb Williams, Justin Herbert, Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson, Baker Mayfield
• Tier 6: Geno Smith, Will Levis, Derek Carr, Daniel Jones

WR

• Tier 1: CeeDee Lamb, Tyreek Hill, Ja'Marr Chase, Justin Jefferson, Amon-Ra St. Brown, A.J. Brown, Puka Nacua, Garrett Wilson
• Tier 2: Puka Nacua, Marvin Harrison Jr, Davante Adams, Chris Olave, Drake London, Mike Evans, Brandon Aiyuk, Nico Collins, Deebo Samuel Sr., Cooper Kupp, Jaylen Waddle, DK Metcalf, DJ Moore, DeVonta Smith, Michael Pittman Jr, Stefon Diggs
• Tier 3: Malik Nabers, Amari Cooper, Zay Flowers,Tee Higgins, George Pickens, Tank Dell, Christian Kirk
• Tier 4: Keenan Allen, Terry McLaurin, Calvin Ridley, Chris Godwin, Jayden Reed, Rashee Rice
• Tier 5: Hollywood Brown, Diontae Johnson, Jordan Addison, DeAndre Hopkins, Ladd McConkey, Joshua Palmer
• Tier 6: Christian Watson, Jameson Williams, Jaxon Smith-Njigba
• Tier 7: Courtland Sutton, Brian Thomas Jr, Tyler Lockett, Keon Coleman, Curtis Samuel, Khalil Shakir, Mike Williams, Romeo Doubs, Jakobi Meyers, Xavier Worthy, Brand0n Cooks
• Tier 8: Xavier Legette, Adonai Mitchell, Rashid Shaheed, Josh Downs, Dontayvion Wicks, Jerry Jeudy, Gabe Davis, Adam Thielen, Jahan Dotson, Darnell Mooney, DeMario Douglas, Ricky Pearsall, Ja'Lynn Polk, Roman Wilson, Troy Franklin, Rome Odunze,

My opinion:

QB tier 2 and 3 belong together. Bump Lawrence, Watson, and Mayfield.

WR tier 2 and 3 are the same IMO. Tier 8 and 9 are hope and prayer trash heap so I lumped them together. Kirk needed a big up. The rest are minor tweaks.

May get back to the others later.

I have 563 players projected, ranked and tiered. I don’t start consolidating until around pick 325.

Our league is 18 rounds, 216. But there’s value in learning about obscure players wrt FAAB this year and ongoing development of young ‘uns.

I like it. 573 projected? Damn. I drafted last night. I felt prepared, like normal. Then around round 16 I was screaming, "I don't know what I'm doing!!"

 

[Chaka]

Deshaun looking like a value play at QB IMO. At least for the first half of the season and maybe all season long depending on how strong Chubb comes back.

Good receiving corps and limited run game possibly all season. It really looks like the offense in Cleveland is going to have to run through him.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Well done man. Appreciate the work. At first glance.

QBs. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Only thing i saw that stood out was having Jayden Daniels in same tier as Goff and Stafford. Not a big deal but it stood out.

@Ilov80s fleshed this out - upside/floor bc of rushing but don’t think he’ll massively out produce the capable statues bc he’s not there as a passer. Could be off.

Daniels would be a good pick if you wait & he’s like QB11-12 off the board, but likely someone will reach.

Rbs. Nitpicking here to give u feedback. Pollard struggled last year and has to compete with Spears, but dude has all the tools to smash. Gotta move him up to at least Connor. Zeke. Guys body is just about to stop working. I saw a practice video of him barely being able to walk after a drill. Move him down a lot.

Right side of the TEN OL is concerning, I have more confidence in Spears developing than Pollard bouncing back.

Wrs. Puka. I was on here last saying he is a tough dude that runs great routes, but nothing special. I was off. I was wrong. I just still can't put him near anyone of those guys based on pure talent. Just can't. Diggs is gonna get targets. Enough to ruin expectations off all Texans wrs. I am just a few rounds below most on all of them. Just feels like they all take turns having big weeks. Dk Metcalf. Based on talent and physical ability, I will debate Elon Musk that he has more then any wr in the league. Now an offensive change in philosophy leaning more towards pass? Hell ya

Getting the Houston WR hierarchy right is the mystery of the summer. I’m betting on the younger guys who are already in the circle of trust.

TEs. Dalton Kincaid is my flag plant. 1000 targets available. If he can get a decent chunk of RedZone targets this dude is gonna be the #1 scoring tight end. Pat Freiermuth. Lots of targets up for grabs. Dudes solid. Id move him near engram.

Yeah Kincaid should do well in that big slot role.

Muth is where he should be IMHO; he flashes but is not consistent, Russ is a trash bag & Justin is not going to unlock him. Do love Pickens, though.

Appreciate the time. Love the discussion

None of us knows anything, but we can still learn much from each other.

 

[Scoresman]

Good stuff.

CMC stands out to me immediately. When healthy, he's a pretty sure bet to separate himself from the next best players. I have him in a tier of his own.

 

[Soulfly3]

Robert Layne, seeing Burrow in T3, behind the likes of Richardson....?
I cannot approve of this. He's, T1/T2 at worst imo.

 

[Scoresman]

Robert Layne, seeing Burrow in T3, behind the likes of Richardson....?
I cannot approve of this. He's, T1/T2 at worst imo.

I feel like it's reasonable. He's definitely at the top of that third tier, maybe end of tier 2. Running QBs are the best QBs, and he's just behind the best of them. I'd also want to see Cincinnati prove they can buck this trend of starting the first 20% of the season cold as ice.

 

[Soulfly3]

Robert Layne, seeing Burrow in T3, behind the likes of Richardson....?
I cannot approve of this. He's, T1/T2 at worst imo.

I feel like it's reasonable. He's definitely at the top of that third tier, maybe end of tier 2. Running QBs are the best QBs, and he's just behind the best of them. I'd also want to see Cincinnati prove they can buck this trend of starting the first 20% of the season cold as ice.

I get it, I get it... But let's take Stroud for example... Finished behind guys like Tua, Baker and Brock last season.
Burrow finished 2022 as the #3 overall in our league, even w that doodoo start. 2021, #8.

I want the pedigree, the proven gameplay and the surrounding cast. Burrow has all of it, but also comes w an injury risk, I admit that. But running QBs have as much or more for me too

 

[BobbyLayne]

Robert Layne, seeing Burrow in T3, behind the likes of Richardson....?
I cannot approve of this. He's, T1/T2 at worst imo.

I feel like it's reasonable. He's definitely at the top of that third tier, maybe end of tier 2. Running QBs are the best QBs, and he's just behind the best of them. I'd also want to see Cincinnati prove they can buck this trend of starting the first 20% of the season cold as ice.

I get it, I get it... But let's take Stroud for example... Finished behind guys like Tua, Baker and Brock last season.
Burrow finished 2022 as the #3 overall in our league, even w that doodoo start. 2021, #8.

I want the pedigree, the proven gameplay and the surrounding cast. Burrow has all of it, but also comes w an injury risk, I admit that. But running QBs have as much or more for me too

I’m still butt hurt from last year, that’s why.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Good stuff.

CMC stands out to me immediately. When healthy, he's a pretty sure bet to separate himself from the next best players. I have him in a tier of his own.

Yeah he’s a no-brainer if you have the 1.01 and if everyone stays healthy. In my mind you have one shot and one shot only for any of the Tier 1 RBs, just comes down to which slot you draw.