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like i said and you didnt get it warner wont last period. what i mean by avoiding them is taken someone else like holt, or harrison someone safer. warners day are over he wont last and the rookie qb has done nothing in the nfl yet.
yes, but mccown was good and i think he is good. but we dont know if the rookie can do the same.
I happen to agree that McCown is better than he is given credit for. But he's certainly no stud and had looked pretty bad before 2005. In some ways he was pretty bad in 2005. The point is, the primary factors for those two guys are talent and the system, the QB is probably 3rd on the list. Both Warner and McCown had TONS of turnovers/missed opportunities, but the receivers still got the stats. I just don't see that changing significantly, even if the rook is forced to play. Heck, even when Navarre played the majority of the game, Boldin and Fitz both scored and got 219 combined yards. Leinart ought to do as well as Navarre - God help him if he doesn't.
So the first 9 teams in the draft this year didnt need a Manning-type QB?
Yes. Fitz and Boldin will likely take a value tumble sometime soon, because they, like Reggie Bush, cannot possibly live up to their current hype and draft position. Whether its because Edge eats into their production, whether the passing game produces less as a whole (not being so rediculously behind every game can do that to a team), or whether they have to be patient waiting for a rookie QB to find his game, they should decline in production.I've predicted Boldin and Fitz to each have 80-some catches, with one of them possibly dipping into the high 70s. Not bad, but not the all-universe value they have now.
Apparently not. Well let's look at those teams:1. Houston. Was never going to take a QB, they were so stupid they even passed on Reggie Bush.
They both did it last season? Reggie Bush is a bad analogy here as he hasn't even suited up for a game. Fitz and Boldin have shown themselves to be the premier WR tandem in the NFL right now.
All hype huh? We shall see because apparently it's a lead pipe lock that Warner IS going down with injury this season.Leinart is all hype. He's Ken Dorsey with better pr.
You don't think their college careers are eerily similar? The only difference is Leinart played in Los Angeles and was a media darling. I just don't see him panning out, although I'll admit that he couldn't have landed in a better situation.All hype huh? We shall see because apparently it's a lead pipe lock that Warner IS going down with injury this season.
BS... Leinhart is 100 times more accurate than Dorsey and I'm not a Leinhart fan.You don't think their college careers are eerily similar? The only difference is Leinart played in Los Angeles and was a media darling. I just don't see him panning out, although I'll admit that he couldn't have landed in a better situation.All hype huh? We shall see because apparently it's a lead pipe lock that Warner IS going down with injury this season.
It's probably because everyone can see that you are psychic and can answer your own questions. I mean jeez...you've already predicted that Warner won't last and that Leinart will stink it up. What else needs to be said? You've convinced yourself of what is going to happen. Maybe everyone agrees.
']Boldin and Fitz are so talented I really don't think it matters a whole lot. Sure said:
Did people really say this about McCown last year? I think many of us had seen enough of McCown in the previous year to believe that at least 1 of the 2 WRs could continue to put up good numbers if Warner went down. Leinart is a different story. This post is giving me reason to think harder about drafting either Fitz or Boldin, if an equal caliber WR is available.
spot on evaluation warpig.while everyone is taking the safe route and claiming a down turn for the receiving duo, think about this before you beat your drum. Edge has been a force and i do not see that changing this season. As a defensive coordinator, you had better committ at LEAST one more man to the box. The NFL "gods" can forgive a WR getting open for a long score, but let a team run up and down your field with the run and short passing game......you had better get your resume spiffed up.
I don't think I'd be that quick to dismiss Boldin and Fitz just yet..remember, Moss and Carter both we pro bowl players at the same time in Minnesota, with Robert Smith at RB..I think Boldin and Fitz and Edge can all co-exist in a Denny Green offense. as long as they play the NFC west and its weak defensive secondaries, I wouldn't worry about Fitz and Boldin repeating..
The concern is the 370lb linemen and 1500yd RB that Denny brought in, combined with the rookie QB he drafted that will inevitably start this year.It's clear from the stats that Boldin is Warner's preferred target, but when I wouldn't expect those additions to make Arizona the worst running team in the NFL again....What's the concern again?
Wow, that is an awfully big statement to compare Leinart on the same level as Peyton.
This post was just brutal. The Cardinals had problems scoring last year, but not for the reasons stated here.
Kurt Warner has had seasons where he has thrown 36 and 41 TDs in a season. Over his last five games for the Cards last year, he threw 8 TDs.
Over the past three seasons, Edge punched in 11, 9 and 14 TDs. Last year's total of 14 was good for 4th most rushing TDs in the league.
Both were considered #1 overall prospects. Leinart's judgment cost him that spot, but it's pretty much a given that he'd have been #1 in the 2005 draft. That's as far as I am taking that comparison though.
#1 picks are often as much hype as they are based on talent. Just remember how the whole raging debate was who should be #1- Manning or Leaf. It was finally 'decided' Leaf was a close second. Um... yeah....
I don't believe this to be the case with Leinart but I see your point. I think Leinart will be a starting NFL qb for a long time.
I whole-heartedly agree that they will both have good seasons, but they won't eclipse or equal their numbers from last season... the math just doesn't add up...as for leinart being NFL ready... what does that really mean? palmer was considered "NFL ready" by almost every scout, but he didn't exactly light it up in his early opportunities...
don't understand how you put leinart on the same tier as peyton coming out of college, even eli for that matter... peyton was a once in a lifetime type of prospect... there are a lot of lifetime NFL starting QBs who don't hold a candle to peyton...
I also wouldn't expect them to be the worse passing attack in the league either, to put it lightly. As already pointed out DaKnee's offense averages nearly 4000 yds. passing and 25 TD's. Really I don't think that is out of the question considering how it can also be argued that the EDGE might have made the Indy offense better because it gives them a legit threat at RB. I like the statement you made about Edge and Warner not being able to score TD's too considering Edge has had more then 10 TD's 3-4 times in his career and Warner threw for more than 40 in one season. Basically, I'm confused why anyone would bash on these two WR's, with the exception of Boldin's penchant for injuries. I don't own either one of these two but if I did I certainly wouldn't sell them "high" and I certainly wouldn't be worried about more weapons coming in that will open up the defense. That talk is nonsense especially when you think about Leonard Pope being added at TE and a legit rushing threat to take the pressure off the pass and off of Warner.The concern is the 370lb linemen and 1500yd RB that Denny brought in, combined with the rookie QB he drafted that will inevitably start this year.It's clear from the stats that Boldin is Warner's preferred target, but when I wouldn't expect those additions to make Arizona the worst running team in the NFL again....What's the concern again?
Yerre crazy man. CRAZY. 
I wasn't comparing him to the current Peyton Manning. I was comparing him to Manning at the beginning of his career. Did you even read the post where I said this?
I am no longer predicting a complete flop for ML in the pros since he landed in maybe the best possible situation out there, but to compare Mr. Noodle arm with Peyton is a huge stretch.
Remeber that this kid had a HUGE talent advantage teammate wise vs almost every team he faced in college. With the higher speed of the NFL game along with the much more even playing field, he's going to have a very tough time living up to these standards.
Do I think ML will be a total bust? Not neccessarily, especially since he will have Fitz, Boldin and Edge. Will he struggle as a rookie? Probably. Will he ever be able to compare with Peyton Manning as the best QB in the league? Don't think so.
Matt will have every opportunity to succeed and should do so given his surroundings, but to compare him with P-Man is way, WAY premature.
