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John Black
Footballguy
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
Awesome. No doubter. History being made. Great shot by a great player.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Not awesome. But, everything else is accurate, I suppose.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
The crowd in San Diego thought it was awesome. Huge roar when he hit it. A few boos snuck through...but not until he was already at 3rd base. Then, you could only hear them for a couple seconds and it returned to appreciative applause. Great job by the San Diego crowd.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
HaterBonds is a great player and History was made and it will be without the * as you say.Congrats To Bonds
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
See other thread.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Fixed.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
It's a real shame that the most important record in sports is being broke and a lot of people, including me, don't care.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Even the announcers sound like they're falling asleep.At least there are some good pennant races shaping up.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
The thing is...you do care. You came to a message board and posted because of that home run. And you'll probably post again when he hits 756.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
Agreed. The AL race and the playoffs will be awesome. A record chase is just that...kind of entertaining until it's over. The whole Ripken thing was the same way. Totally overblown for 8 weeks until it finally was broken. Then it just drifted away. Same thing will happen here.At least there are some good pennant races shaping up.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
By caring, I mean being really excited and acticipating this major sports record being broken, like i was when Aaron broke Ruth's record, and the same for the many other records that get broken over the years. I am not excited whatsoever about this. I really don't care. I post because a cheater breaking a record disgusts me, not because I care.Ripken breaking the consecutive games record really excited me, for one example. This doesn't.
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Tough As Nails
Glave Master
You don't get disgusted by something you don't care about. You care. You may not care in a positive way...but you care.
Yea but I bet that after the strike you were into the homeruns at that time. Guess what the same owners and most important the commish who canceled baseball is still the commish. So if you enjoyed the McGuire and Sosa run then you should also enjoy this history.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
We know a helluva' lot more now than we knew back then. Context makes a big difference. I know you want to make the two equivalent, but you're just writing revisionist history if that's your approach.
Yes but my point is that it is the same owners/commish who made money off of what they did know or what they just looked the other way. And my biggest problem is that since 2003 people have been trying to get Bonds and guess what we are no closer than we were at that time. And why are they only going after Bonds? What about Clemens, Arod, Sheffield and Giambi? If your going to go after the steroids era go after all of it just don't pick and choose who you want to go after.I am willing to bet that Bonds was not the only one who took the clear and the cream.
Those are all YOUR issues! The greatest player of my lifetime just tied the most talked about record of alltime.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
These are BASEBALL issues, not mine. If you think I am the only one with this opinion, you haven't been paying attention.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Selig is a big part of this, and I personally thought he made a fool of himself tonight. He showed up because he had to, then just stands there and looks stupid. He thinks it would have looked bad if he had stayed away. It was worse with him showing up and not reacting.
All four statements that you made are clearly opinions. You mention Cal Ripken....is it "your" opinion that not taking an occasional day off cost his teams many wins so that he could get an individual record. There are people that feel that way so his record must have been a baseball issue.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
In case you forgot, I think these are all opinions, supporters and haters, alike. Not sure what you're adding here.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
proof that people dont care about roids.they just dont like bonds.
Word.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
aint nothin left to say
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
People knew they were juicing back then. They just liked to deny it and it was easier because people hadnt admitted it yet.Now that we have Giambi admitting to it and others admitting to using other substances people feel they can bash.It is no different than people today believing wholeheartedly that Arod never juiced. Maybe he didnt. His arms and body change would appear to say otherwise, but hey he isnt being named and people like him.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Actually, not really. Other than with the most cynical, it was hardly part of the discussion until the andro stuff came up. People want to act like we were all so aware of this issue back then, but we were all a lot more naive about it than we are now.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Unpack this a little for us.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Selig looked like he needed to drop a deuce.
And how did they find the Andro it was in his locker. People chose to look the other way until records started to fall. So to say it was ok back then because you did not know what was going on makes even thou it was right in front of you and I. Maybe you and Bud should get together so that way you can keep the same story.Although I heard on a radio station this weekend that after Bonds retires he plans on speaking on what he went thru and what he did. Not sure how much he will admit to. I think that will be huge and I have a feeling it will come out that not only did MLB know, but that they encouraged it.Actually, not really. Other than with the most cynical, it was hardly part of the discussion until the andro stuff came up. People want to act like we were all so aware of this issue back then, but we were all a lot more naive about it than we are now.People knew they were juicing back then.
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Colbert27 I have a question for you.
After Bonds breaks the record what do you think will happen to the record? I know you feel that it will get a * like Roger Maris record did.
But what happens if it comes out that MLB was behind and knew about the steroids. Will that make you change your thoughs on what Bonds has done?
I know Bonds is not very media friendly which makes him not fan friendly.
After Bonds breaks the record what do you think will happen to the record? I know you feel that it will get a * like Roger Maris record did.
But what happens if it comes out that MLB was behind and knew about the steroids. Will that make you change your thoughs on what Bonds has done?
I know Bonds is not very media friendly which makes him not fan friendly.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
The BIG difference between Ripken and Bonds is that Ripken didn't gain an unfair advantage by using steroids to enhance his performance. Bonds should be called the "human asterisk", because there will be one by his name.
Ike Turner
Footballguy
I think he's implying that A-Rod took steroids. I never noticed A-Rod's head swelling to the size of a balloon, but maybe he did. Maybe he thinks Bonds just has a bad case of Gigantism like Griffey had on the Simpsons.There's a chance that A-Rod might have had something injected into his backside, but it wasn't steroids.
Ike Turner
Footballguy
A lot depends on the Mitchell indictments due in September. If Bonds is indicted, I think they should ban him from baseball like Pete Rose. Send a very clear and distinct message. If he's not indicted, forget the asterisk and let the record stand.
With the way science and medicine progress these days, it won't be too long until someone invents a super undetectable steroid and someone obliterates all the records anyway.
With the way science and medicine progress these days, it won't be too long until someone invents a super undetectable steroid and someone obliterates all the records anyway.
And here starts the excuses for AROD. He did what Barry did, but it is ok for Arod to do it? Got to love this country! Might as well include Clemens in this topic as wel. People accept excuses for him, but don't on Bonds. I wonder if you put Clemens under the 4 year hunt that Bonds has been under and wonder what you turn up
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
the argument you always hear on these boards about roids is that they just dont make you bigger and stronger, they help with recovery. Well I am guessing you hardly put on any muscle mass using the cream and the clear. In a game where mllions and millions of dollars were at stake and there were NO rules against it we are supposed to believe that these guys just wouldnt touch the stuff because it was "naughty".
Ike Turner
Footballguy
Proof?Did I miss the year that A-Rod hit 70 home runs? He's had a couple of 50 homer seasons, but they were in Texas (Colorado-lite) and even guys like George Foster have hit 50 homers.Did I miss A-Rod's hat size going from Pee-Wee Herman to Kevin Mench? I took a look at his media picture today, and it looks pretty similar to his media picture from 5 years ago.There's plenty of circumstantial evidence against Bonds. Soon we'll see if there's any real evidence with the Mitchell indictments.There's no circumstantial evidence pointing toward A-Rod, and he's not under indictment either. Sorry dude, but your hero Bonds does what he does with help of teh juice. If that's ok with you, I'm not going to change your mind.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Has anybody in this thread denied bonds taking roids? I am afraid I missed that post. Yet a few posters feel the need to make statements like the above. Doesnt Bonds media picture from 5 years ago look the same too? His picture from 10 years ago sure looks different, but not 5 years. But I guess if everything is based off of media pictures from 5 years ago well then Bonds is clean. Sweet now lets get back to celebrating this now immaculate record.People blindly defended Sosa and Mcgwire in this same way.
here is a question that needs to be asked. Why in MLB do so many players bulk up so much after they leave the minors and college and get to MLB? Many when they are 24-27 years old yet NFL players are drafted at age 21-22 and those guys have already put on the majority of their bulk by the time they start their careers?
Look at Brady Quinn. How many times did he benchpress 225? Dude is ripped. Ryan Braun is a 24 year old rookie for the Brewers and he is pretty skinny. If this was 1995 I would say that in two years he would have a ton more bulk. Do the minor league teams not have weight rooms? Do colleges not have weight rooms? If MLB players are doing it naturally why arent they doing it earlier?
I don't think I have ever said that Bonds did not use Steroids. In fact I beleive he and close to 75% of players used steroids or performance enhancers in one way or another. Arod has bulked up from the time he has came into the league. ANd yes Bonds had one year of 70 homeruns but he was usually attop the homerun list from year to year. And if the Feds have not been able to turn up something against Bonds after 4 years I am pretty sure the Mitchell indictment will not do any thing. But if you believe that Arod is clean go ahead..
