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LionsFan78
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Not a chance. I have seen LJ slip to 5-6 quite often though if that does anything for you.
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LionsFan78
Footballguy
I wouldn't go 2nd round on him. With some people likely taking a top WR or reaching for a QB in the 2nd, there should be a better quality RB there for you, likely an Edge, Brown, MJD, Benson, Jones type.
North
Footballguy
1. LT
2. SJAX
3. LJ (if he signs) I still know some who are willing to use this pick to draft him even if he doesn't sign by week 1??
4. Gore/Addia
5. Which ever back isn't picked above is who I would go with at #5. There are questions with Gore b/c of the hand but many think he is going to have a breakout year in an improved offense. Addia is someone I could get excited about, he has the ability and supporting cast to have a big year. The only thing that scares me with him is the fact that if you take away his 4td game last year he didn't really impress. I know he shared and that could factor into his improved #'s this year, but it's still something to look at.
I guess with every pick (except LT) there will be questions.
P.S. One player I might take a gamble on is Alexander, I do believe he will return to form and get you 14+ TD's
2. SJAX
3. LJ (if he signs) I still know some who are willing to use this pick to draft him even if he doesn't sign by week 1??
4. Gore/Addia
5. Which ever back isn't picked above is who I would go with at #5. There are questions with Gore b/c of the hand but many think he is going to have a breakout year in an improved offense. Addia is someone I could get excited about, he has the ability and supporting cast to have a big year. The only thing that scares me with him is the fact that if you take away his 4td game last year he didn't really impress. I know he shared and that could factor into his improved #'s this year, but it's still something to look at.
I guess with every pick (except LT) there will be questions.
P.S. One player I might take a gamble on is Alexander, I do believe he will return to form and get you 14+ TD's
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I've got 5. My current strategy (this changes constantly though)
Round 1 - best available RB. If LJ falls, I really havea decision to make. otherwise, assuming he's gone, I'll probably take Gore if he falls, but I doubt he will, so I'm thinking Addai at #5
Round 2 - Either RB2 or WR1. If Marvin Harrison falls, I'll take him but he's usually gone in the top 3-4 picks of round 2 (TD heavy league - all TDs 6 pts, Rush/rec - 1 point per 20 yards, no PPR) If not, I was considering T.O. based on the scoring criteria, but the KUBIAK projections are really down on him this year as an injury risk, and when added to his antics, not sure I can justify him at 2.8. Holt is a possibility but his saying he's only 70% is troublesome. Reggie Wayne might be a good choice here. If a solid RB falls here, I'd consider going RB-RB - Cedric Benson is a possibility, I think McGahee will be gone, Portis scares me, Thomas Jones also looms as a possibility.
Round 3 - If Brady or Palmer is here, I may snap up a QB. Traditionally in this league's draft, only 2 QBs are taken by pick #29. I know Brady's ADP is a little lower than this, but I love the idea of plugging him in for 16 games and not worrying about it. He's good for 200-250 yards and a TD or two every week, and with Stallworth and Moss now in NE, the possibility of long TDs increase, meaning he has some upside here.
Round 4 - Looking WR here if Houshmandzadeh, Evans, or Driver drop to 4.8 - in most mocks I've seen, one of the three is avilable. If not, I'll probably go RB2 here with either Marshawn Lynch, Cadillac Williams, or Ahman Green. Antonio Gates is also possible here (no TE required in this league)
Round 5 - If I took an RB last round, I'll be looking WR here. Burress and Ward have fallen here in some mocks and would make a great WR2. Usually, though, you're looking at Santana Moss, Laveranues Coles, or Darrell Jackson here. If I took a WR last round, I'd be looking to fill RB2 here, with either Green, if he falls, Norwood if his ADP doesn't rise too much with the Dunn injury, Tatum Bell if the same doesn't happen to him with Kevin Jones' issues, or Jamal Lewis, if he falls here.
Round 6 - If a good RB3 falls here, I'll take him.. primarily looking at the TEN and GB backfield situations - if I can get a good read on who might get the bulk of the carries for either team. If not, I'll be looking to fill out my WR corps here with someone like Galloway, Hackett, Cotchery, or Chris Chambers.
Any thoughts/criticisms/ideas on who you might take at these spots?
Round 1 - best available RB. If LJ falls, I really havea decision to make. otherwise, assuming he's gone, I'll probably take Gore if he falls, but I doubt he will, so I'm thinking Addai at #5
Round 2 - Either RB2 or WR1. If Marvin Harrison falls, I'll take him but he's usually gone in the top 3-4 picks of round 2 (TD heavy league - all TDs 6 pts, Rush/rec - 1 point per 20 yards, no PPR) If not, I was considering T.O. based on the scoring criteria, but the KUBIAK projections are really down on him this year as an injury risk, and when added to his antics, not sure I can justify him at 2.8. Holt is a possibility but his saying he's only 70% is troublesome. Reggie Wayne might be a good choice here. If a solid RB falls here, I'd consider going RB-RB - Cedric Benson is a possibility, I think McGahee will be gone, Portis scares me, Thomas Jones also looms as a possibility.
Round 3 - If Brady or Palmer is here, I may snap up a QB. Traditionally in this league's draft, only 2 QBs are taken by pick #29. I know Brady's ADP is a little lower than this, but I love the idea of plugging him in for 16 games and not worrying about it. He's good for 200-250 yards and a TD or two every week, and with Stallworth and Moss now in NE, the possibility of long TDs increase, meaning he has some upside here.
Round 4 - Looking WR here if Houshmandzadeh, Evans, or Driver drop to 4.8 - in most mocks I've seen, one of the three is avilable. If not, I'll probably go RB2 here with either Marshawn Lynch, Cadillac Williams, or Ahman Green. Antonio Gates is also possible here (no TE required in this league)
Round 5 - If I took an RB last round, I'll be looking WR here. Burress and Ward have fallen here in some mocks and would make a great WR2. Usually, though, you're looking at Santana Moss, Laveranues Coles, or Darrell Jackson here. If I took a WR last round, I'd be looking to fill RB2 here, with either Green, if he falls, Norwood if his ADP doesn't rise too much with the Dunn injury, Tatum Bell if the same doesn't happen to him with Kevin Jones' issues, or Jamal Lewis, if he falls here.
Round 6 - If a good RB3 falls here, I'll take him.. primarily looking at the TEN and GB backfield situations - if I can get a good read on who might get the bulk of the carries for either team. If not, I'll be looking to fill out my WR corps here with someone like Galloway, Hackett, Cotchery, or Chris Chambers.
Any thoughts/criticisms/ideas on who you might take at these spots?
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Thanks for this valuable contribution.I just found out today I got the #1 pick. Welcome to my team LT2.
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avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Evilgrin, I don't think you can wait until RD4 for your RB2. Maybe with the #1 and LT, but not with #5. You'll be struggling all year unless you find that gem of a sleeper later in the draft. Possible, but I wouldn't bet my season on it. I think we have to go RB, RB, WR in the first 3 rounds or RB, WR, RB. I'm still undecided which WR's will get me to draft them in the 2nd round.
Going by Antsports ADP(12 team), we are most likely looking at Gore, Addai or Alexander in the first. I'm fine with that. In the 2nd, we are looking at Brown, MJD, Portis, Holt or Harrison. In the 3rd, we have Edge, Owens, Jones, Benson, Wayne, Jacobs, Fitz, Palmer that we're most likely selecting between. People at the draft are going to be picking straight off their magazine cheat sheet and these players are likely the ones we'll be looking at. Obviously it will vary more the later ronds you get to.
Going off those players I would much rather have (Gore, Addai, Alexander) at RB1, (Brown, MJD, Portis) at RB2 and (Wayne, Fitz, Owens) at WR1 over the same for RD1 but (Owens or Harrisson) as WR1 and (Jacobs, Jones or Edge) as RB2. Edge may not be a bad RB2, but I'm guessing he is gone by pick 29. If you take Palmer in RD 3, your RB2 spot is screwed. I just don't think you can do it.
I'd love to read more opinions and strategies...
Going by Antsports ADP(12 team), we are most likely looking at Gore, Addai or Alexander in the first. I'm fine with that. In the 2nd, we are looking at Brown, MJD, Portis, Holt or Harrison. In the 3rd, we have Edge, Owens, Jones, Benson, Wayne, Jacobs, Fitz, Palmer that we're most likely selecting between. People at the draft are going to be picking straight off their magazine cheat sheet and these players are likely the ones we'll be looking at. Obviously it will vary more the later ronds you get to.
Going off those players I would much rather have (Gore, Addai, Alexander) at RB1, (Brown, MJD, Portis) at RB2 and (Wayne, Fitz, Owens) at WR1 over the same for RD1 but (Owens or Harrisson) as WR1 and (Jacobs, Jones or Edge) as RB2. Edge may not be a bad RB2, but I'm guessing he is gone by pick 29. If you take Palmer in RD 3, your RB2 spot is screwed. I just don't think you can do it.
I'd love to read more opinions and strategies...
Mozeta
Footballguy
Why take chances with your first pick. There are questions surrounding Larry Johnson (hold out/not happy), Shaun Alexander (injury/age), Gore (current and past injury), and Addai (might not be able to handle the workload and beating as a starter). With the 4th pick on, I would take Willie Parker. He had 1700 yards and 16 TD's last year and there is no sign that will change this year. He looks like a more solid pick than the others and it seems he could be even better this year. I would even consider him with the 3rd pick if I had it.
This is just the kind of out of the box that wins people Championships. He's got a great early schedule, but it's tough in th playoffs. I'm a Parker guy.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Depends on your leagues tendencies. The only thing Id think about changing here is maybe going RB2 instead of QB in round 3. In my league, rounds 3-4 are always WR heavy though, as everyone is busy snatching up RBs before that. This usually allows a few good RBs to slip through the cracks to round 4 while everyone is following the WR run, so in my league I think your above plan could work. Dangerous, but could work. I think there are 5 elite QBs, and Im dead set on getting one of them: Manning, Palmer, Brady, Brees, and Bulger. If you think you can get one of those in round 4, Id snatch up RB2 in round 3 instead of Brady and take the best QB available in round 4 out of those guys (Palmer and Manning will prolly be gone, but any of the other 3 could be there). The next bunch of QBs scare me a little (Kitna, Hass, Romo, Rivers, McNabb, Eli, Young, etc). That would leave you to grab WR1 in round 2 (Wayne, R Williams, S Smith, TO, Fitz, Boldin, etc), and RB2 in round 3.It all really depends on what RBs you would be looking at in round 3, and if you think it would be worth it to grab one instead of Brady. But your strategy seems pretty solid if you could get a decent RB2 in round 4. I wouldnt hold my breath though.After initially thinking about taking Palmer at pick 12, I am now thinking RB/RB with my turn picks, then QB/WR, then whatever value rpesents itself after that. I should be able to snatch up one of those QBs at the 3/4 turn, and that would make me happy.Evilgrin 72 said:
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shims3
Footballguy
I also got the dreaded pick 5. I am pretty torn on who to pick and hopefully I will get a better outlook on the players after seeing some preseason games and more reports.
Guys who could be avail...
1) LJ - will the holdout prevent people from going after him...I doubt. He should go 3.
2) Gore - Sexy pick for this year. Will not having Norv affect him. I think it all depends on Smith's growth this year. I keep thinking Barlow in the back of my mind.
3) Addai - Colts have lots of weapons and if Addai can use that to his advantage, he could be big. He showed signs of greatness last year.
4) Alexander - If healthy could a real value pick. Lots of people are talking about him around pick 7-9 and I think he could revert to his 2005 form.
5) FWP - could he get more carries this year? Will having a new coach effect him? Was he a product of the offensive scheme of Wis and Grimm?
6) Westy - great, but injury concern.
As you can see, the fifth pick is not desirable at all. I am torn...good thing I have 2-3 weeks to decide.
Guys who could be avail...
1) LJ - will the holdout prevent people from going after him...I doubt. He should go 3.
2) Gore - Sexy pick for this year. Will not having Norv affect him. I think it all depends on Smith's growth this year. I keep thinking Barlow in the back of my mind.
3) Addai - Colts have lots of weapons and if Addai can use that to his advantage, he could be big. He showed signs of greatness last year.
4) Alexander - If healthy could a real value pick. Lots of people are talking about him around pick 7-9 and I think he could revert to his 2005 form.
5) FWP - could he get more carries this year? Will having a new coach effect him? Was he a product of the offensive scheme of Wis and Grimm?
6) Westy - great, but injury concern.
As you can see, the fifth pick is not desirable at all. I am torn...good thing I have 2-3 weeks to decide.
Domination
Footballguy
I think that everyone is totally overthinking this. Last year people were looking at Edge, R Brown, Caddy and Lam J in the 1st and even that high. This year you have an abundant amount of good options, but just not a clear cut favorite.If it was me:
1) FWP- 2 good years, elite RB
2) Alexander- consistant performer
3) Westy- supposed to run the ball more this year
FFFIEND
Footballguy
I won't draft LJ if he falls to 5, but I would draft anyone else. I wouldn't draft LJ even if he fell to 6. He is going to get (or should I say "has been") used and abused. I would be all over Shaun Alexander if he fell to 5th.
In a draft I just finished:1. Addai2. Henry3. R. Williams4. Bolden5. McAllister6. AD7. Cotchery8. Romo9. Witten
((Morpheus))
Footballguy
10-team PPR League:
Round 1: It's one of Addai/Alexander/Bush/Westbrook here. I'm honestly not sure yet.
Round 2: I'm thinking of rolling the dice with Portis. If he's gone I like R. Brown as an RB2, or maybe even S. Smith if I'm not enamored with the remaining backs.
Round 3: Obviously this depends on Round 2 to an extent. I've seen some stud WRs fall to 35, but I think MJD/Benson represent good value here as well.
Round 4: I love seeing Andre Johnson here. I'll also consider Brady/Brees.
Round 5: I've seen some good WRs here like Evans and Driver, but I wouldn't count on that. I think from here on out it's BPA.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
12-teamer?Christo said:
Then thou shalt pick Peyton Manning at #5 with that scoring system and have no regrets.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
with the LJ holdout and Gore's hand, SJax is going 2 in EVERY draft.
Zoomanji
Footballguy
Pretty much.I have seen LJ fall as far as 8th and Gore actually go 2nd.I had #5 and I took Westbrook (over Addai, Parker & SA)I think the choice (assuming it goes LT, S-Jax, Gore, LJ) is between Westbrook, Addai & Parker.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Believe me, I've toyed with the idea.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree- tho some will consider Manning or Alexander there. I personally like Addai out of that group. If I had the 3rd pick and couldn't trade down, I would actually take Addai. The longer the LJ holdout continues, the more likely that he will fall out of the top 4. If it is late August and there is no progress there, I think it would be suicide to take LJ in the 1st- yet alone top 4.
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10. But it's not out of the realm of possibility that you could end up with the same first four in a 12 teamer too. Then you have a shot at either McAllister or AD in the 5th and Cotchery, Romo and Witten 6-9.A starting line-up of Romo, Addai, Henry, Williams, Bolden, Cotchery and Witten in a 12 teamer is nothing to sneeze at.As an aside, I never would have gone McAllister/AD back-to-back in a normal league. But this one is no-trade so you need a good platoon of quality RBs to make it through the season.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Depends on what projections you have loaded in and what scoring system.
hotdogcollars
Footballguy
What? :( I guess that thing doesnt account for the Coach Skeletor 2 back mindset these days. Sure, Henry could be solid, but why build in a weekly headache (re: nightmare) as Shanny waffles on his starter/bulk carry guy. I wouldnt take Henry unless he dropped to Rd2. Just too much other value out there to risk it on him.I've got 5 in a PPR, 6 pt league, and i am leaning towards Addai/Westy/FWP as others have mentioned. FWP could get a lot more recpts with Arians at the helm. Remember when the Browns had Arians as the OC, Jamel White got 63 catches one year...Jamel Friggin White! Those extra 20-40 catches could bump FWP up to elite (or near elite) status for RBs.
Mr. Fusion
Footballguy
I have the 5th pick and I'm pretty much locked in to FWP. Addai or Alexander would both also be nice picks for someone picking there, but I believe their floor is lower and their ceiling is relatively the same.
Native
Footballguy
I like Joe Addai at 5 and see him as one of the safest picks in the entire draft. Safer than Gore, LJ, Alexander and Parker. With Mannning perpetually picking defenses apart, teams simply must sacrifice their run defense to stop him. Barring injury, I dont see how Addai fails to get 1400 yards, 50+ receptions and double digit TD's. And theres noone there to steal carries, receptions goal line duty, etc.
He may not be as flashy as some other RB's, but hes in the bar-none best offense in the NFL - and you know the Colts will put up points on a weekly basis. From my #1 RB, thats exactly what I want.
He may not be as flashy as some other RB's, but hes in the bar-none best offense in the NFL - and you know the Colts will put up points on a weekly basis. From my #1 RB, thats exactly what I want.
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
Almost echoing my thoughts. I think there's a bit of a logjam of possible players to take at #5 with no clear-cut obvious choice. In cases like that, I usually go with my gut, and I know that if I don't take Bush at #5, he won't be there when I pick again, and at this point he's pretty much on par with most of the backs going after LT and LJ. I don't feel all that comfortable with any of the RBs that will probably be available when I pick as my #1, but whoever I take will have to be my #1RB regardless. I suppose if Addai is still on the board at #5, I may go with him for the very reasons Mr. Native listed, but if he's not, then I'm looking at Parker, Alexander and Bush. Alexander's starting to age, and Parker would be very enticing but I'm always leery of players in new offenses.I think if Addai is gone, I'll take Bush and not look back. It may be the wrong decision, but I will know I picked him with a clear conscience and believing in the validity of my thought process.
((Morpheus))
Footballguy
I still can't decide between Addai/Westy/Bush in my PPR league. This is killing me...
Not any more.
10 or 12 teamer and you pretty much have to have two first round picks to get Addai and Henry 
Txns8
Footballguy
Bump for some more current feedback. In a 12-team PPR league, what are you seeing in rounds 2 and 3 now? In some of the mocks I'm been running through I see Harrison slipping as far down as 2.08 which is huge value with guys like Edge, R.Brown and Benson being available at 3.05. I've even tinkered with J.Walker at 3.05 and targeting guys like Barber III, AD or Lynch as RB2 in the 4th or 5th. Is this really happening in current drafts?
I'm still debating Addai or FWP at 1.05 barring a shocker from picks 1-4, but that is the easiest pick as I see rounds 2 and 3 having significant impact on teams picking in the 5th slot.
I'm still debating Addai or FWP at 1.05 barring a shocker from picks 1-4, but that is the easiest pick as I see rounds 2 and 3 having significant impact on teams picking in the 5th slot.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I'll let you know. I have the owner at #10 mulling over a deal that would swap our picks in 4 rounds.
I trade : 1.5, 2.8, 4.8 and 6.8
I receive : 1.10, 2.3, 4.3, and 6.3
That will determine my draft strategy.
I trade : 1.5, 2.8, 4.8 and 6.8
I receive : 1.10, 2.3, 4.3, and 6.3
That will determine my draft strategy.
cowboymouth
Footballguy
I just took Addai at 1.5
First round went: 12 teamer PPR
LT
SJax
LJ
Gore
Addai
Bush
Alexander
FWP
Westbrook
R.Johnson
Maroney
Only 3 picks into round 2:
McGahee
Benson
MJD
First round went: 12 teamer PPR
LT
SJax
LJ
Gore
Addai
Bush
Alexander
FWP
Westbrook
R.Johnson
Maroney
Only 3 picks into round 2:
McGahee
Benson
MJD
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Txns8
Footballguy
My draft was yesterday. I'll be throwing something up in the Assistant Coach for some feedback, but here is my team picking from the 5th slot in the order selected. It is a 12 team league with pretty standard scoring:
Addai
Harrison
Edge - little did I know I didn't NEED to go RB here
Bulger - totally against my plans, but how do you pass him here?
S.Moss
Jamal Lewis - 6th round, amazing imo
B.Edwards
K.Winslow - my #2 TE overall in the 8th
F.Taylor
B.Marshall
Alex Smith
R.Curry
Chris Brown - starting RB in the 13th?
Stover
D.Jarrett
B.Wade
Minnesota
Addai
Harrison
Edge - little did I know I didn't NEED to go RB here
Bulger - totally against my plans, but how do you pass him here?
S.Moss
Jamal Lewis - 6th round, amazing imo
B.Edwards
K.Winslow - my #2 TE overall in the 8th
F.Taylor
B.Marshall
Alex Smith
R.Curry
Chris Brown - starting RB in the 13th?
Stover
D.Jarrett
B.Wade
Minnesota
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You made the right call, Txns. Have fun watching him in that offense!
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jamny
Footballguy
I got the 4th pick in my draft last night so I figured my decision would be made for me.
That is until Addai went at @3.
I'm second guessing myself today but I went with Gore over LJ.
I just figured LJ might take a couple of weeks in the beginning of the year to get back into playing shape.
We'll see.
That is until Addai went at @3.
I'm second guessing myself today but I went with Gore over LJ.
I just figured LJ might take a couple of weeks in the beginning of the year to get back into playing shape.
We'll see.
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gman74
Footballguy
Can we also have your scoring system and buy in :(
redman
Footballguy
Nice job. Where did Portis go in this draft of yours?
Txns8
Footballguy
Portis went 2.09 right after I took Harrison.
