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Boston Herald Says Randy Moss to GB Almost Done (1 Viewer)
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Banger
Footballguy
Wow, that would be huge. Getting Moss would significantly improve the WR corp (which needed help bigtime) and give Favre a true deep threat. Giving A. Rogers and a late pick seems like a steal for one of the best WR's ever.
Moss has had attitude/injury problems over the past couple years but I think a lot of people are prematurely thinking he's done. Look at a guy like Galloway that was left for dead a couple years back. His QB wasn't as good and he doesn't have nearly the talent that Moss has and he finished 5th and 15th over the past 2 years.
Moss has had attitude/injury problems over the past couple years but I think a lot of people are prematurely thinking he's done. Look at a guy like Galloway that was left for dead a couple years back. His QB wasn't as good and he doesn't have nearly the talent that Moss has and he finished 5th and 15th over the past 2 years.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
I would think it can only help his production.No more straight double teams as teams will have to pay attention to Moss out there as well.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
the real hit to value would be Jennings
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Driver did pretty well with Walker around, so I expect he would still be a fantasy WR1. I have outlined in other threads in the past that GB over Favre's career has often fielded two very good fantasy options. I doubt he'd be Top 5 again like last season but Top 10 seems reasonable. Given that they also seem to have lost some in the ground game (at least for now), Favre may be airing it out more in 2007.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I think this is an AWESOME deal for the Raiders. Rogers should be a fine fit for Kiffin's system if he's bringing over some of the elements from USC (which remains to be seen). Plus, he already knows the whole travel-money-groupies system of being an NFL player, so the ramp up time may well be shorter. Just as importantly, it allows the Raiders to take the best player in the draft with the #1 pick (CJ), essentially killing three birds with one stone (1. Trade Moss 2. Get a QB 3. Get the BPA with the #1 pick)
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
If this happens, Kudos to Thompson. That's a good deal for Green Bay.
Courteny Anderson would be a very nice compliment to Franks. He's a little better than the departed David Martin, so that's a nice replacement for him.
I'm still skeptical about Moss, but this seems like a fairly low risk deal for Green Bay, assuming the contract has been redone.
Courteny Anderson would be a very nice compliment to Franks. He's a little better than the departed David Martin, so that's a nice replacement for him.
I'm still skeptical about Moss, but this seems like a fairly low risk deal for Green Bay, assuming the contract has been redone.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
What does this do to the Packers draft plans?
A lot of mocks I see have them taking Lynch, but with a guy like Moss, you aren't acquiring him to play with some scrub after Favre retires, which should be next year. Does this turn Green Bay's attention to a QB to replace Favre and let Morency and a FA (Dillon/Brown/Dayne...) compete?
A lot of mocks I see have them taking Lynch, but with a guy like Moss, you aren't acquiring him to play with some scrub after Favre retires, which should be next year. Does this turn Green Bay's attention to a QB to replace Favre and let Morency and a FA (Dillon/Brown/Dayne...) compete?
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Is Aaron Rodgers really an upgrade over Brooks/Walter? If so, not by much...
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
If Russell slips from #1, that increases the slim chance one of the QBs will be available for the Pack.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I disagree "a whole lot."
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
I don't think it changes things at all. Thompson is a BPA guy, so if Lynch is the highest rated player, that's who they'll draft. This would also bump up Ingle Martin's dynasty value quite a bit!
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
IBT inevitable Moss mooning the Vikings fans at the Metrodome.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I don't think they go QB in round 1...but they may address it round 2 even....or they may like Ingle Martin...who knows...I don't think it changes needing a possible RB at this point (barring a free agent move)...because eventually they will have to turn it over to the new QB, and it would be nice to have an established ground game at that point.
Banger
Footballguy
I'd think everything would take a bit of hit, receptions, yards and tds'. Last year he finished as the #5 wr largely because he was the only wr on the team that could run a route and catch a ball and Favre absolutely locked onto him. He was #2 in the league with 171 targets and that is sure to drop. I still like him but I'd guess he'd probably drop into the teens, 13th-17th.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Favre and Moss will probably be drafted much higher than they should be in most leagues next season.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I also think this suggests that Favre will play at LEAST another year after this year.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
While I don't necessarily disagree with you, Favre ranked 8th last year without Moss. There have been COUNTLESS debates as to what impact having Moss to throw to has on QBs. (Remember all the Moss made Culpepper threads and Collins will be Top 5 arguments?). Where would you predict Favre will rank at the end of the year for QBs?
Unless Moss acts like an idiot.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
since '02 he's finished 11th, 10th, 6th, 13th and 8th so I'd say top 10 is pretty likely with an upside to top 5-6 especially if they don't fill their RB void and are forced to air it out.
trader jake
Footballguy
That's a buy low. The prez is ranked much lower by everyone right now and Brett already is God here.
mozzy84
Footballguy
didnt driver have a record number of passes thrown his way last year or am I wrong there? Those would obviously go down quite a bit.Who gets drafted first moss or driver?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I doubt it given that they have Jordan locked up for a lot of coin and OAK just gave him a $3 million roster bonus the other day, coupled with them signing Rhodes to a 2-year, $7 million deal.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I mentioned pretty much the same thing in Post 6--only I don't know if he can squeeze into the Top 5 again.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
They are citing the same article in The Boston Herald.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
I'm sorry. AND Courtney Anderson?
This would be an unbelievable fleecing if this goes through as advertised.
Excellent work by Thompson.
This would be an unbelievable fleecing if this goes through as advertised.
Excellent work by Thompson.
Ed Suspicious
Footballguy
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
You think Rodgers is a starting NFL QB?
Bonzai
Footballguy
stop being a buzzkill.
He might just look like one if the Raiders then draft Calvin Johnson. Look what he CJ without a QB in college.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I dont' see how anyone could make a definitive judgement on Rodgers at this point.
T Man
Footballguy
Guess will find out if the people on Cold Pizza know anything. My guess is that they don't.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The Raiders the other day also claimed that they had not called anyone to discuss a potential Moss deal either, so there clearly is a lot of stonewalling going on here.
Pipes
Footballguy
Probably Moss but I still think Driver outproduces him. Driver will still be Favre's security blanket and catch all the underneath stuff while Moss stretches the field. I do think Driver's numbers drop a little from last year but I still think he's and 70-80 catch guys with 1000-1200 yards....probably at the lower end of those ranges.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
That's just it. He is a big unkown. His only action in any meaningful game has been two seperate halves of games the Packers were losing big time, the Ravens game in 2005 and the Patriots game last year. Both times, the defenses just blitzed the hell out of him, not having to worry about the running game at all. The one positive is that he handled himself quite well in the shadow of his own goalline, getting the offense out of trouble in the Patriots game. Of course, after the initial first down, he went on to break his foot.
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Raider Bill
Footballguy
The Raiders are getting hosed. There's something missing from these reports IMO.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Yeah, probably the fact that they are B.S. If a trade does go down, it won't be as currently speculated.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I'm not a big fan of the QBs in this draft, but I'm not a big fan of Rodgers, either.
The question here is whether the step up/down from Moss to CJ is worth the step up/down from Russel/Quinn to Rodgers. I think both are a step down, although I agree that CJ is a much better fit for Oakland than Moss is. Overall, though, I think the Raiders are getting hosed here.
The question here is whether the step up/down from Moss to CJ is worth the step up/down from Russel/Quinn to Rodgers. I think both are a step down, although I agree that CJ is a much better fit for Oakland than Moss is. Overall, though, I think the Raiders are getting hosed here.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes, because teams have never made poor trades before....So you have specific knowledge that they are BS? Or just speculating like everyone else?
T Man
Footballguy
This deal makes sense if the Raiders simply do not plan on having Moss around and would cut him for the cap space. THey can sign CJ long term (6 years) if they go that route. They can then figure if Walters or ROgers is the answer, and if not draft a QB next year (or look at one in free agency). Maybe they spend this year and next getting the OL and the rest of the offense in place, allow a drafted QB to come in and sit a year. It's not a bad plan -- especially since CJ is considered the #1 prospect.With that said, if this trade goes down, I would not be shocked to see the Raiders trade out of the #1 spot. Maybe pressure Cleveland into swapping spots. And maybe even further back.I could see Kiffen trying to trade as far back as he could and stockpile picks with the hope that he could get Kalil (who I think will be one heck of a center) And maybe he feels Jarrett is just as good and already knows the offense (although I don't think Jarret will be a stud in the NFL). Of course that is just wild speculation.
cstu
Footballguy
I'll never trust a Tedford QB and think Rodgers' upside is Dilfer. There have just been too many QB's he has helped get drafted too high (Dilfer, Akili Smith, Harrington, Boller) to give me much faith in Rodgers. You never know what can happen, but I haven't seen anything so far to make me change my mind.
