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Bradford for MVP? (1 Viewer)
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D'OHtis
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I think he will get a vote or two if he continues trending upward to finish the year. (Noted in the other Bradford tread of his #'s the last 6 games: (Believe 11 TDs and 1 INT over that span)
League MVP is probably going a bit far, but one of the most impressive rookie QB's I've seen. Guy is going to be special barring an injury. Really what he's done to date is pretty damn special (losing his #1 WR twice this year & still performing at the level he has)
League MVP is probably going a bit far, but one of the most impressive rookie QB's I've seen. Guy is going to be special barring an injury. Really what he's done to date is pretty damn special (losing his #1 WR twice this year & still performing at the level he has)
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Weiner Dog
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Any QB with the ability to throw two TD's in one game to Billy Bajema should instantly be handed the MVP award.
ThePittbully
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I seriously doubt he'll win the MVP but I do think his name deserves at least consideration, Rams would be awful with feeley or whoever was supposed to be QB this season. He's gonna be a special QB, that's for sure. Im glad to have him in dynasty, if this is what he looks like throwing to a bunch of clowns I cant wait to see him with some real playmakers
thatguy
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I don't see any way he wins the MVP, but I agree that an argument can be made he deserves consideration. What he has done for this team, and with the rag tag group of WR's he is working with... well, I'll just say he is having one of the most impressive rookie campaigns I have ever seen. He is at this point a mortal lock for OROY.
I'm so excited to see what this kid can do a year or two down the road when he has some real weapons to work with. He's going to be a very special player. I see him as an eventual perennial 30+ TD 4000+ yard threat.
I'm so excited to see what this kid can do a year or two down the road when he has some real weapons to work with. He's going to be a very special player. I see him as an eventual perennial 30+ TD 4000+ yard threat.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
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Not a chance but he's the biggest lock for ROY that we have had in awhile.
wiscstlatlmia
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Weiner Dog said:
Trizzler
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I agree with the consensus vote that he won't win MVP, but he is absolutely a lock for OROY. In addition to real-life performance, his fantasy value has led me to believe that he is worth targeting as a #1 QB next year; I will definitely look to secure him in all redraft leagues next season.
CrossEyed
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bulger2holt
Footballguy
If he finishes these last 5 games with somrthing like 10 tds and 1200 more yards and the Rams finish 9-7, then he is my MVP for sure. That would put his stats at something like this:
3700 yds
27 tds
12-15 int's
That's with throwing to Amendola, Robinson and Gibson, who all wouldn't start for the other 31 teams.
3700 yds
27 tds
12-15 int's
That's with throwing to Amendola, Robinson and Gibson, who all wouldn't start for the other 31 teams.
abishagenaden
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Dilfer's vote seems to be for Rivers, as heard on Cowherd this morning.
Kai's Hero
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Bradford .... MVP .... Come on Man! ROY in NFC, yes. But MVP, not when there is a QB like Phillip Rivers, who has carried his team on his back with a receiving corp filled with WR3, 4 and 5 all year. Rivers is clearly the MVP this year with Arian Foster a close 2nd.
David Yudkin
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If SD loses to KC in 2 weeks, Rivers MVP campaign most likely would be over. KC already beat SD and with a second win against SD could have a two game lead + the tiebreaker with 3 games to play. Basically, SD would have to win out and have KC lose out (remaining games: @STL, TEN, and OAK). At that point, SD would most likely be on the outside looking in playoff wise, even if they won all their other games and ended the season 10-6. Whoever came in second in the AFC East and North would likely have a better record than SD for a wildcard berth.Foster has a similar issue in that if HOU misses the playoffs, he likely won't get many votes. MVP has almost always been a player on a playoff bound team.
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I'm guessing every WR on the Chargers could walk in as the #1 on the Rams. And he doesn't have Gates either.I'm most interested in "why not" here.He's a rookie can't be a reason or something to hold against him.His team is instantly better when he arrives-from rock bottom to leading the division, so playoffs are a reasonable possibility.The team's attitude and/or mood is just so dramatically improved.Seriously, what's Rivers got that Bradford hasn't done or done better? Feel free to throw Peyton or Brady in. I'm trying to gauge "why not" is all. Bradford is so super impressive.
They might have their share of under-performing talent that can match Laurent but...I don't know, I still think the Bears are better.The Bears say
David Yudkin
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There are too many "why not" reasons that I might not be able to list them all. Too many people get hung up on the "valuable" component of the MVP when in practical reality value is not one of the main components.Historically, here's how the MVP balloting has gone:- Be on one of the top 2 teams in the conference record wise- If not one of the top 2 teams, at a minimum be on a playoff team- Have a record setting or near record setting season- Play on a high octane offense- Be a QB- Be a RB- Do not be a WR or play defenseThat's it in a nutshell. Now look at Bradford in comparison.- He won't be on a team that is 1 or 2 in the conference (ie a bye team for the playoffs)- The Rams may or may not make the playoffs, but at this point they might not even be a .500 team- He's nowhere near putting up record setting numbers- The Rams are not an elite scoring teamAs others have mentioned, there have been several other rookie or first time starting QBs that have either put up decent numbers (Peyton for one), played on teams with lots of wins or reached the playoffs (Brady, Big Ben, Sanchez, Flacco off the top of my head), or played on teams that improved by quite a bit in the win column (Ryan comes to mind). IIRC, none of those got much MVP consideration.This is not to say that Bradford isn't having a solid year or that he is not the reason for STL doing better. But I don't see him in the running for MVP at all. Guys like Brees, Chris Johnson, Jamal Lewis, etc. have had near record performance in the past few years and they didn't win MVP. Bradford MVP? I just don't see it.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
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Same can be said for Tom Brady as far as I'm concerned. If he loses to the Jets for the 2nd time and doesn't even win his division, he's not the Most Valuable Player in the league.
bulger2holt
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Bradford is on the verge of setting most of the rookie QB records. If the Rams finish 9-7 and win the division, he should be strongly considered. Anybody that takes a team from 6-42 the past 3 years to 9-7 should automatically win. If Rivers misses the playoffs, Bradford should be a strong candidate. He's on pace for 29 tds, 3700 yds and 12 int's. Plus, Denario Alexander is now playing.
David Yudkin
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I don't disagree, but the main difference is that barring a major collapse the Pats will still make the playoffs even with a loss to the Jets. In what I just posted as a possible scenario, SD would MISS the playoffs entirely.I think there are better MVP options than Brady at this point, but if NE somehow won out (14-2) or only lost one more game (13-3), he would get consideration as leading the team with the best record and the #1 scoring team in the league (even if other guys played better or had better numbers). That's just how people have voted over the years.Bear in mind, that it's possible for NE to have beaten all the AFC playoff teams (assuming SD makes it over KC): NYJ, SD, PIT, BAL, IND in addition to two NFC playoff teams (assuming CHI and GB both make it and the Pats beat both teams). I realize that there are a number of games included in there that haven't been played (NYJ, GB, CHI), so it is far too early to really start thinking that way.
David Yudkin
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From what I have seen, Bradford already gets it and has moxy. Give him some help at receiver and some decent blocking and he could put up some really impressive numbers quickly. Playing in their division, STL could be a perennial contender for years. I am not a huge fan of Robinson (injury prone) and haven't seen enough of Gibson to really tell if they are potentially good pieces. I don't follow the Rams close enough to tell who they should draft and who would be the best fit, but Jones has looked pretty impressive whenever I've seen him play.bulger2holt said:
thatguy
Footballguy
No idea where you are getting those numbers from. The yards and TDs are high, the INTs low... He is on pace for a tad under 25 TD's, 3587 yards, and 13 INT's. Impressive? You bet. But let's keep the facts straight.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
sorry, I said earlier if he can get 10 tds in his final 5 games and average 220 yds. That's where I got those totals. You're right, that's not his pace. But, I think they are attainable because he is getting better each week. Plus, Denario is playing.
thatguy
Footballguy
Got ya. I'm with you--I do think it's possible he can maintain that pace, but even that would put him at 27 TD's, not 29.
So?
Ookie Pringle
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The way Bradford has played this year makes me think he may win an MVP in his career.
Michael Brown
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So this whole premise is based on San Diego losing a game that they'll probably be close to a double digit favorite in?David Yudkin said:
Anarchy99
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As I already mentioned earlier, MVPs come from teams at or near the top in terms of record, at or near the top in terms of yardage and points scored, with rare exception are almost always playoff teams, and post near record setting production. Bradford, while having a nice season, has none of that going for him. Brees had ALL of those last year and still didn't win.Bradford currently ranks 14th in passing yards, 13th in passing TD, and 21st in QB rating. That does not an MVP make. Yes, he's had a nice rookie season. I don't have the time or the deisre to research it, but I am guessing the other QBs that were MVPs ranked far better than that statistically (and again played on much more successful teams).
Let's wait until he has a year worthy of true MVP consideration (which could very well be coming sooner rather than later).
Ah, the unwritten rule. Better watch out or the MVP will become as unimportant as the Heisman. I don't think anyone has been more valuable to his team than Bradford. And imo, that's all that should be considered.
David has some excellent points above.
In my memory, no QB has had a similar feel to this. Peyton is close-figured he'd do well, shortly after seemed like a lock to do well but they were 3-13 and he struggled some. That was some of my fascination with him was how quickly he picked up DCs tricks and beat them. Young Peyton versus crafty BB was an interesting chess match. Still they were 3-13 and he threw 28 INTs.
(Bradford has like a million miles to go to match Peyton's career, only talking about rookie year)
Rothleisberger is a good comparison, but there were MVP threads here. People were falling all over for him. He went to a quality team though. I mean since Pace retired the Rams OL has been dirt according to many. Their WRs we've already beat up on. Steven Jackson and...what's Bradford had to work with? That has to be worth something here.
I get what you're saying about value David, but in any sport a star's ability to make those around him better is a huge component in these types of awards and IMO Bradford is record-setting in that regard.
Didn't Marino and Jim Brown win MVPs as rookies? (not that it makes it common)
I don't think it's always the top 2 in the conference or top two offenses, I think it just seems that way. Barry won. Favre won a few and they weren't always tops. McNair did and can't be that the Titans were tops.
His impact has to be worth something
In my memory, no QB has had a similar feel to this. Peyton is close-figured he'd do well, shortly after seemed like a lock to do well but they were 3-13 and he struggled some. That was some of my fascination with him was how quickly he picked up DCs tricks and beat them. Young Peyton versus crafty BB was an interesting chess match. Still they were 3-13 and he threw 28 INTs.
(Bradford has like a million miles to go to match Peyton's career, only talking about rookie year)
Rothleisberger is a good comparison, but there were MVP threads here. People were falling all over for him. He went to a quality team though. I mean since Pace retired the Rams OL has been dirt according to many. Their WRs we've already beat up on. Steven Jackson and...what's Bradford had to work with? That has to be worth something here.
I get what you're saying about value David, but in any sport a star's ability to make those around him better is a huge component in these types of awards and IMO Bradford is record-setting in that regard.
Didn't Marino and Jim Brown win MVPs as rookies? (not that it makes it common)
I don't think it's always the top 2 in the conference or top two offenses, I think it just seems that way. Barry won. Favre won a few and they weren't always tops. McNair did and can't be that the Titans were tops.
His impact has to be worth something
Dawg Pound 69
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Marino didn't even win ROY, Eric Dickerson did. Marino's MVP year came in his 2nd season. He was voted to the Pro Bowl, can't recall if he played or not since he was injured.If a rookie payscale was in place, Bradford would have a better chance of getting MVP votes. The fact that so many people are hacked off that he got such a huge signing bonus will unfortunately cause some to not vote for him.
FreeBaGeL
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While I realize Atlanta had a bad record the year before Ryan came in, I don't think the situations are really comparable. Everyone saw Atlanta as a team that was on the rise going into the next year, and wasn't as bad as their record indicated. Meanwhile, the Rams were somehow a team that people thought was even worse than their horrible record indicated, and not just in the last year, but for a long time running.In short, that 1-15 StL team was a lot worse than the 1-15 Atlanta team, and had been that bad for not just a year, but for quite a while. I was not high on Bradford, but what he has done with that team this year is remarkable. They have made no major changes (other than Bradford) from that same team that had been equally awful, with multiple different QBs, for years.
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