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Brady for Clowney (Real NFL Trade Scenario) (1 Viewer)

hcd156

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Is it just me or does it make a ton of sense for both sides to seriously consider a Tom Brady for Jadeveon Clowney and a good amount of draft picks tied to how far the Texans go this year and how much longer Bradynis going to play. Here is my reasoning for both sides:

Pats: After watching them through 4 games they are clearly lacking any talent along the O-Line to protect Brady, essentially making him useless. With Brady (38) not getting any younger then trading him while he still has value is the Patriot way. Every week he struggles behind this line his value gets lower and lower, so trading him before the deadline to a contender that needs a QB (see Texans) would be the best way to maximize his value. They obviously are not going to give away the greatest player in franchise history, especially when he still has the talent to lead a team to a championship. Unfortunately this Pats team does not have the surrounding talent to give him a shot. Trading him would require a huge haul and there isn't a much better one than the best defensive player to come out of college in my lifetime (and a player Belicheck compared to LT, whom he coached with the Giants). Add in some additional draft picks tied to the success of the Texans under Brady and later picks tied to how long he stays with the Texans to protect them against an early retirement from Brady.

Texans: Giving up a once in a generation defensive talent is a very hard thing to do but so is winning a Super Bowl. With Brady running an offense, that he knows from his time with Bill O'Brian, with ArianbFoster, Andre Johnson, Deandre Hopkins and an O-Line that can keep him upright to get the ball to those stud receivers it immediately turns Houston in to an offensive juggernaut. Not having Clowney hurts but their defense, lead by Watt and Cushing, is still an extremely disruptive force. Any additional picks needed by the Pats can be tied to the success of the team. I doubt the Texans will care about giving up some more high draft picks if it means hoistong a Lombardinat the end of the year.

Maybe I'm crazy but this trade makes a ton of sense for both sides but it all hinges on whether Belicheck: 1. Has faith that Garopollo is the answer and 2. Sees what everyone else sees: that Brady can't pull them out of their lack of talent along both lines (like he has so many times in the past). The Texans go after the Super Bowl starting immediately and the Pats get their superstar building block that Belicheck will have a field day creating game plans for. Let me know what you think? Also, sorry for any typos or anything like that because I wrote this whole thing on my phone.

 
Not to mention that you've got the wrong team giving up the "additional picks."

The starting point might be Brady, two #1s and a #2 for Clowney.

 
It would be tough to do financially. Brady's signing bonus was 30 million. Whatever they haven't paid him of that would be dead money against the salary cap next season for the pats i believe. Not to mention his cap number is much bigger than Clowneys. And the Texans wouldnt do it anyway even if it worked.

 
It would be tough to do financially. Brady's signing bonus was 30 million. Whatever they haven't paid him of that would be dead money against the salary cap next season for the pats i believe. Not to mention his cap number is much bigger than Clowneys. And the Texans wouldnt do it anyway even if it worked.
If the Pats trade Brady at the end of this season they will take an $18M cap hit. Whoever trades for him will get him at $7M, $8M and $9M for 3 years.

The Texans would take an $11M cap hit for Clowney, but they would be adding Brady's $13M salary and losing Clowney cheap $500k salary.

Long story short - it won't happen.

 
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As for the salaries thebTexans would be getting Brady at $7 million in 2015, followed by $8 million and $9 million since those are his base salaries based on the 5 year 57 million dollar new (way under current value deal). The pats would have to eat a little over 15 million, which can be spread over 2 years. With the 8+ million in cap space that they dragged over from last year and the Hernandez money coming off the books than the Pats can absorb that easily. The Texans can also spread the signing bonus money ($11 million if you are correct) over 2 years so I still do not see contracts as an issue. So Brady would cost them under $15 Million a year both this year and next, followed by $8 and $9 million. The cap numbers that the other poster was going off of was the 2011 contract Brady signed, which he then took a huge pay cut in 2012 and signed the new agreement. The Texans would have to rework some deals but to get a franchise quarterback, even for just a couple years than that shouldn't be too hard.

Or I guess the Texans can try to win a Super Bowl with the Ryan Fitzpatrick/Tom Savage combo. A team will do almost anything to get a franchise QB, even at the end of his career (look at Peyton). You are acting like Brady would not make them an instant Super Bowl contender, which they would instantly become. The Broncos fit Manning's $20+M a year in and the Texans would find a way to fit Bradys contract and Clowneys cap hit in. Also, the Texans would still have to give up picks because Clowney, for as good as he was in n college, still hasn't proven anything besides he's hurt a lot and Brady is one of the greatest ever even with the salaries being what they are. Clowney doesnt equal a franchise QB and teams (and GM's/coaches for that matter) are in win now mode at all times and Brady wins you a lot more games than a great looking but unproven DE.

 
Why would a team in rebuild mode trade one of the best defensive players to come out of college in this generation for an aging qb whose skills have declined to the point of backup lory qb play (maybe 3rd string quality)?

 
Is it just me or does it make a ton of sense for both sides to seriously consider a Tom Brady for Jadeveon Clowney and a good amount of draft picks tied to how far the Texans go this year and how much longer Bradynis going to play. Here is my reasoning for both sides:
It's just you.

 
was only a few months ago some delusional fans were saying the Texans were going to trade the #1 overall for Mallet so why not this?.... :tumbleweed:

 
bulger2holt said:
Texans would be idiots to trade Clowney for a QB with only a couple years left
I'm not even sure he's got that. He looks done to me. I know they have offensive line and WR issues, but he looks like the last year of Dan Marino.

 
The OP must live in either Washington State or Colorado because he obviously has partaken in a bit too much funny tobacco.

 
Is Pats’ cap space Brady trade insurance?

October 10, 2014, 12:00 pm

Spitballing about Tom Brady’s future in New England quieted down just a little bit this week.

Makes sense. Pretty wins – like Sunday’s over Cincy – distract. Ugly losses – like the one in Kansas City – have kneejerks calling for a franchise enema.

The last thing that happened captures all attention.

But just because the Bengals played like the Bengals play, the Patriots’ future dynamic at the quarterback position remains unchanged.

I went over this at the end of camp. Tom Brady and Jimmy Garoppolo are both signed through 2017. The team’s not going to let both walk after that year and start from scratch at the most important position on the field. Brady is 37. Garoppolo is 22. There’s a strong chance the Patriots will move on from Brady before his contract expires.

Brady will never be released by the Patriots. But he will probably be traded. And Brady’s own fatalistic, “it’s the nature of the business” view on that shows that it ain’t heresy to look at the dynamics of doing that.

At the end of this season, the remaining three years of Brady’s contract carry modest guaranteed salaries of ($7M in ’15, $8M in ’16, $9M in ’17). For a team interested in acquiring Brady, those numbers are appealing.

Now, Brady could be girding for a renegotiation at the end of this season that would bring those salaries in line with his skill, experience and leadership level. Or he could make it known that any team acquiring him can expect a renegotiation. But what I’m more concerned with is how feasible it is for the Patriots to deal Brady.

The biggest obstacle is the $18M in prorated bonus money that will hit the team’s salary cap ($6M for ’15, ’16 and ’17).

Seems prohibitive. The team can’t have $18M in dead money swallowing up cap room, right? Not exactly. The Patriots are currently $14,464,425.00 under the salary cap.

The team can roll that nearly $15M forward into 2015, tack it onto their 2015 salary cap and that would offset almost 80 percent of the $18M that would be hitting the cap if Brady were dealt.

Meaning that the team could deal Brady and still not have their hands tied if they want to re-up with Darrelle Revis, Devin McCourty, Shane Vereen, Chandler Jones, Donta Hightower or Stevan Ridley. And Brady’s future cap hits would come off the books making it easier for the team to budget those extensions in.

All while bringing in multiple draft picks in return for the best quarterback of his generation.

And each season that passes means the bonus money that hasn't hit the cap drops by $6M. In 2016, $12M in dead money would be accelerating to the Patriots cap.

Are the Patriots setting the stage to trade Brady this offseason? That’s a leap I won’t make. But it is absolutely their MO to plan for the eventuality. And the fact that they rolled over $5M this year and $4M in 2013 and now have almost three times that amount in cap space indicates they are budgeting for something.

In August, opportunity knocked when Tampa came looking for a guard and the Patriots shipped them Logan Mankins and the team typed up a heartfelt statement from Bill Belichick. Business hurts.

Trading Brady will feel like the team is performing open-heart surgery on the region without anesthesia. At some point, it’s probably going to happen. Best pick out your biting towel now.
 
I certainly think it makes a ton of sense to trade a QB of Brady's stature for a rookie defensive player who couldn't make it through one NFL game.

Got any bridges you are selling? I'm in the market for one.

 

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