Brady is the best ever? (1 Viewer)

[BelichicksRevenge]

I agree with something Troy Aikman said recently...Brady isn't playing any better than he always has; he just has more weapons to throw to now. He has almost always played at a very high level, but only now does he have the WRs to put up outrageous numbers.

People may call me crazy but I think what Brady did last season with two castoff wide receivers (Gaffney and Caldwell) was more impressive than what he is doing this year. He came within a 3rd down conversion of getting to the super bowl (which they likely would have won) with very below average receivers. Troy Brown could still catch the ball but he was slowed down by age.

 

[jurb26]

Dont see how anyone can dispute that he is the greatest qb of all time. Except for the fact that its such a bold statement

Postseason QB RatingMontana: 96.2Brady: 86.2Super Bowl QB RatingMontana: 127.8Brady: 99.9Postseason per game averagesMontana: 20/32/251/2.0/0.9Brady: 21/35/230/1.4/0.6Super Bowl per game averagesMontana: 21/31/285/2.75/0Brady: 24/36/245/2.0/0.3Brady's been great. But, not quite as good as Montana. In fact, in some areas, Montana's postseason and SB performances blow Brady's away.

Let's not let facts get in the way of delusional Pats fans...

Now that Brady has an elite WR (Moss) like Montana did (Rice), I bet we will see a pretty drastic change in those numbers.... wait, we already have!

 

[tategjs]

Add Another record for completion percentage in.... we are witnessing something special. 26 of 28 with only one to Moss.

 

[switz]

It is amazing that Moss was that wide open on a play when Buffalo dropped 9 into coverage.

Agreed. Does that say how good Brady is, or just how bad the Bills secondary is? Even the article says Wilson froze in his tracks.Whatever.I do have to say, that JAX game was the best game I've ever seen a QB play. Amazing.

 

[Bankerguy]

As a 34 year old Football fan since I was 5....I have never seen anyone as good as him. As much as I hate the Pats, he's the man.

 

[brady2moss]

Add Another record for completion percentage in.... we are witnessing something special. 26 of 28 with only one to Moss.

yeah and if they called PI on Watson and Welker catches the ball when he was wide open you could have seen 27 of 27. wow

 

[Road Warriors]

It is amazing that Moss was that wide open on a play when Buffalo dropped 9 into coverage.

Agreed. Does that say how good Brady is, or just how bad the Bills secondary is? Even the article says Wilson froze in his tracks.Whatever.I do have to say, that JAX game was the best game I've ever seen a QB play. Amazing.

Yeah, Garrard was pretty good, wasn't he.

 

[Bob Henry]

Garrard had a great game, too. Too bad Northcutt dropped an almost certain TD pass. Both Brady and Garrard were on target and clicking all afternoon.. up until the end anyway.

 

[smitty63]

Another SuperBowl win will tie him with Montana (4 each), and an undefeated season would put him in his own elite tier. And that's just what he may achieve this season. So no, he isn't there yet. But it's all aligned for this guy to be the best ever.

And here I thought football was a TEAM game? Stupid, stupid me. Brady won all those Super Bowls by himself. Obviously they should just quit playing the games and give New England, errrr Tom Terrific the championshipevery year.Guy never threw 28 TDs before this season but he's the GOAT? What changed this year? Oh Randy Moss is playing there? Don't forget, Moss made Culpepper a much better QB also. Love to see what TT could do behind center for the Raiders. I'm sure they'd be Super Bowl Champs.

 

[switz]

Another SuperBowl win will tie him with Montana (4 each), and an undefeated season would put him in his own elite tier. And that's just what he may achieve this season. So no, he isn't there yet. But it's all aligned for this guy to be the best ever.

And here I thought football was a TEAM game? Stupid, stupid me. Brady won all those Super Bowls by himself. Obviously they should just quit playing the games and give New England, errrr Tom Terrific the championshipevery year.Guy never threw 28 TDs before this season but he's the GOAT? What changed this year? Oh Randy Moss is playing there? Don't forget, Moss made Culpepper a much better QB also. Love to see what TT could do behind center for the Raiders. I'm sure they'd be Super Bowl Champs.

I've been the biggest promoter of Moss making Brady better than he would be without Moss... however, JAX basically took Moss out of the game, and Brady still was amazing in his accuracy.Sure, it does help when you are throwing 5-10 yard passes. And it helps when your WRs make AMAZING catches (Stallworth's catch should have been dropped it was a terrible desparate throw).

Regardless, Brady took what the defense gave him, and was near perfect - without Moss.

 

[KingEl]

I followed Montana very closely and Brady somewhat closely (had him on my fantasy team 3 times including this year). To me, Brady will never or hasn't come close to Montana in those magical moments he was famous for. Last minute drive to win a SB, the "Catch". 4th down, last play of game to win a playoff game, etc... Brady does have "it" just not as much as Montana. Give me a choice of QB for the last two minutes of a playoff game and needing a TD to win, and I pick Montana over Brady every time..... Montana really was a fantastic QB, I've never seen anyone show so much grace under pressure.

As far as the Montana "had an all pro at every position" comment, that is far from the truth. He won 2 Super Bowls with less than elite WR's, when he had Rice- Rice wasn't quite at his prime yet and was putting up Elite #'s but no more so that the Holt, Harrison, Moss's of now. Rice is on record as saying Montana was the best ever and made Rice a better player(Sirius radio interview with Howard Stern) + even when Montana was old, robbed of skills due to injuries over the years and on a KC team with less that avg offensive talent (Pat Cash- top receiving weapon) he had more magical moments in two years than most QB's have in a carreer (i.e. outdueling Elway in whats called the best MNF game ever, beating Steve Young and Forty Niners, great playoff run- beating Pitts last second, then beating a supposedly unbeatable Houston....

Montana was never better than when it counted most.... Brady is great and he's making a run at Montana, I just don't think people are going to look back and remember Brady's highlight plays like they will Montana's....

 

[Anarchy99]

Should Brady in essence be penalized because his teams won without him having to make a TD pass on the last play of the Super Bowl? If he was able to guide his team to be ahead and not need to do that--thus winning the game even without as much theatrics, should he really be slotted lower for not being as good theater for the fans?

 

[KingEl]

Should Brady in essence be penalized because his teams won without him having to make a TD pass on the last play of the Super Bowl? If he was able to guide his team to be ahead and not need to do that--thus winning the game even without as much theatrics, should he really be slotted lower for not being as good theater for the fans?

No, thats not my point, My point is I've seen Brady fail under pressure and NOT pull off those drives that Montana was able to do. Montana had his team in position to win without any heroics just as much as Brady!! Its when the heroics are needed, that Montana oushines Brady. Don't get me wrong, Brady is good under pressure- maybe even argued 2nd to Montana in that area, and I'm sure he has and is capable of great QB heroics, but he's no Joe Montana when the chips are down.Not penalizing Brady for not having the CHANCE to throw a last second TD to win a Super Bowl (who know, maybe this year he will ) but if you knew you needed a QB to throw that TD, Montana is the way to go- and that to me defines the greatest QB ever.

 

[Road Warriors]

Should Brady in essence be penalized because his teams won without him having to make a TD pass on the last play of the Super Bowl? If he was able to guide his team to be ahead and not need to do that--thus winning the game even without as much theatrics, should he really be slotted lower for not being as good theater for the fans?

No, thats not my point, My point is I've seen Brady fail under pressure and NOT pull off those drives that Montana was able to do. Montana had his team in position to win without any heroics just as much as Brady!! Its when the heroics are needed, that Montana oushines Brady. Don't get me wrong, Brady is good under pressure- maybe even argued 2nd to Montana in that area, and I'm sure he has and is capable of great QB heroics, but he's no Joe Montana when the chips are down.Not penalizing Brady for not having the CHANCE to throw a last second TD to win a Super Bowl (who know, maybe this year he will ) but if you knew you needed a QB to throw that TD, Montana is the way to go- and that to me defines the greatest QB ever.

Time may have erased some of your memories of Montana failing in those spots, too. He wasn't successful in every last minute, need a touchdown spot that came up in his career. Its just that he did it MOST of the time, and looking back, you can't seem to recall when he ever failed.The reason I think of Brady in the same category is actually due to his failure. I recall last year being surprised, truly shocked, that the Patriots did not come back down the field & win the game against the Colts in the AFCC. When he's done it so often that its surprising to see him fail to bring them back, I'd say its something special.

 

[Anarchy99]

Should Brady in essence be penalized because his teams won without him having to make a TD pass on the last play of the Super Bowl? If he was able to guide his team to be ahead and not need to do that--thus winning the game even without as much theatrics, should he really be slotted lower for not being as good theater for the fans?

No, thats not my point, My point is I've seen Brady fail under pressure and NOT pull off those drives that Montana was able to do. Montana had his team in position to win without any heroics just as much as Brady!! Its when the heroics are needed, that Montana oushines Brady. Don't get me wrong, Brady is good under pressure- maybe even argued 2nd to Montana in that area, and I'm sure he has and is capable of great QB heroics, but he's no Joe Montana when the chips are down.Not penalizing Brady for not having the CHANCE to throw a last second TD to win a Super Bowl (who know, maybe this year he will ) but if you knew you needed a QB to throw that TD, Montana is the way to go- and that to me defines the greatest QB ever.

So far Brady is 13-2 (.867) in the post season and the only time he really had a legit chance to win and didn't was when he was picked off at the end of the Colts game last AFCC game.Montana went 16-7 (.696) in the post-season, so clearly he had some games when his team didn't win. I'm not saying that he didn't have highlight reel moments, nor am I saying that Brady > Montana. I agree that the perception is that Montana made the clutch plays on final drives and many times played his best in the biggest games. But Brady has hardly been chopped liver either.All I am saying is that Brady has had an exceptional post season record . . . whether it was due to him or his teammates or any other factors is open for debate..

 

[KingEl]

I agree Brady is not chopped liver... I'm actually a fan of his and said he could be 2nd to Montana in coolness under pressure, so that's hardly a slight..

Brady as of now does have a better Win percentage, but as someone else posted, Montana has him beat on most statistics, including game avgs, rating, etc... So you can go back and forth on that.

Until this year, I think Belichek has received more credit for the Pats regular and postseason record than Brady (but as you mentioned you can debate that forever...)

In the end, there is probably no defintive answer- just alot of opinions with facts on both sides to back up whichever side you are on. I can honestly say that i saw ever single televised game Montana played in from his 1st Super Bowl on.. and I've seen every playoff game Brady has been in, + almost every game this season and majority of games for several other seasons (thanks to NFL game package on Cable, and I am a Pats fan) and in my humble opinion, Montana was better... I am willing to put Brady 2nd though, and that's a pretty damn good compliment!!

 

[Anarchy99]

I agree Brady is not chopped liver... I'm actually a fan of his and said he could be 2nd to Montana in coolness under pressure, so that's hardly a slight..Brady as of now does have a better Win percentage, but as someone else posted, Montana has him beat on most statistics, including game avgs, rating, etc... So you can go back and forth on that. Until this year, I think Belichek has received more credit for the Pats regular and postseason record than Brady (but as you mentioned you can debate that forever...)In the end, there is probably no defintive answer- just alot of opinions with facts on both sides to back up whichever side you are on. I can honestly say that i saw ever single televised game Montana played in from his 1st Super Bowl on.. and I've seen every playoff game Brady has been in, + almost every game this season and majority of games for several other seasons (thanks to NFL game package on Cable, and I am a Pats fan) and in my humble opinion, Montana was better... I am willing to put Brady 2nd though, and that's a pretty damn good compliment!!

I generally avoid these types of debates, as there are guys that enter the discussion and those that shouldn't. ANd we should all be happy to leave it at that, as usually there is no way to effectively compare guys that played 30 or 40 years apart.