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"He's just a kid". I heard it loud and clear. Romeo Crennel makes this known. Brady Quinn is 22 years old, but last I checked, 22 year old men are not kids. Im not gonna sit here and bash anyone for Quinn not playing yesterday. This isnt about burying Romeo Crennel. The Steelers were man handling the Browns yesterday, and that game was far out of reach. Quinn playing late in that game at any point would more or less have been "throwing him to the dogs". Agreed. I felt Quinn should have been starting the game from the get-go. But moving forward, how much longer can this team afford to wait to unleash their team's best QB? Protecting the 'kid' is one thing. But trying to shelter his supposed fragile ego at the expense of this team getting crushed at home with CFL caliber QBs at the helm just no longer makes sense. Im not a big Herm Edwards fan, but his own words have never rung so true...."we play to win the game". Or do we? Do we just wanna try our best even though our best arent all playing because we're afraid they might get hurt. God, thats so weak!

I hate to use the phrase 'running scared', but that's what'll be going on here if they continue to bench Brady Quinn. Browns QBs got sacked 6 times yesterday I believe, but atleast 2 of those were Frye holding the ball all day and not knowing how to either escape and make a play or just get rid of the ball. That guy is so NOT the answer. But Derek Anderson is 1 year older than Quinn. And he's obviously not an NFL caliber starter either. Argue against that if you like, but I dont even want to go down that road. How much less of a 'kid' is he? How long will this team wait and continue to negatively compare Quinn's future to the ghost of Tim Couch?

Now, one game certainly does not make a season, but every game is a big one in the NFL, and the clock is ticking. This situation almost leads me to believe that Jerry Jones is paying someone in Ohio NOT to start Quinn. He surely understands the less Quinn plays, the better that #1 pick next year will be that theyre sitting on. If its nessecary to say it, allow me to quickly clear the air. I dont own Brady Quinn in any leagues , Im not trying to trade for him, and Im not even a Browns fan. Im not a Notre Dame backer nor an alum, dont root for them, couldnt care less. I couldnt possibly be more objective. But I love watching good football, and its not happening in Cleveland until a change is made. Obviously there are other problems and weaknesses on that team, but why compound them by not playing your best QB and possibly most valuable player? The training wheels need to come off, and they need to come off now. Many players, specifically QBs, need time to sit and learn and watch and grow. But some just dont. As the old saying goes, and of course it doesnt always apply, but "what we dont die from, we learn from".

What exactly is the definition of "ready"? That's a really vague term on so many levels. Ill tell someone in Cleveland what ready is. Its Brady Quinn right now as QB of the Cleveland Browns. The man, I mean the kid, no, I mean the MAN, was a 4 year starter at one of the most competitive football schools in the country, has played games in front of 100K plus crowds, has been burned under the microscope of the national media for years, and been sacked, hit, drilled, chased, and harassed for 4 years by some of the best football players in the country, many of which are also now starting in the NFL. He's got a ton of experience making football plays, albeit on a slightly lower level, but at the only level that was yet available to him. He's been a star. He's competed against teams that were clearly far superior to his own, and he is still alive and kicking. He dropped about 20 picks further in the NFL draft than he expected in front of the overwhelming and unrelenting heat of ESPN cameras, and managed NOT to cry. Atleast not publicly. So he chewed a little gum and his hair looked wet. He got a haircut a week later, and is now more a tic tac guy. Im telling you the man is ready to play some football. Im gonna say it just like Keyshawn said it, because I know Brady Quinn wont say it because he's far too much of a leader to do so...."just give him the ---- ball " already!

He's gonna be a great player. In fact, he's gonna be a star. You made the brilliant draft day move to trade up and secure the marquee guy at the bargain basement price. He could have, and imo should have been the top pick. You stole him because other teams didnt need him. Oakland has a crazy old man running their team, and you couldnt be happier about it. But its time to go glass half-full there in Cleveland, not next month but NOW and get the best Browns player on the field. What are you waiting for??

Losing is no substitution for learning. I know it will be discussed by Browns brass and coaches as whether or not to go with him next week, and at this point Ill predict they'll do the right thing and get the him on the field. So as of right now, I fully expect that next week Browns fans will get to see just how ready Brady Quinn is. And if Im wrong, and they start another one of those World League guys, then Ill come back and dog 'em until they do. We'll see what happens.

 
It will be soon.

I'm not sure if it will be before or after Crennell gets fired,

but I think Quinn is in by week 3 or 4.

 
If Quinn had been in yesterday, he would've gotten killed by the PIT D and contracted the horrible Patrick Ramsey/David Carr syndrome.

 
It will be soon.I'm not sure if it will be before or after Crennell gets fired,but I think Quinn is in by week 3 or 4.
you may be right. and if its not until week 4, Romeo will have his foot halfway out the door. I really think this team could go with Quinn next week at home against the Bengals and on the road the following week at Oakland and have a realistic shot at winning both games. Cinci doesnt have very good D, and after yesterday's showing against Detroit, it goes without saying that the Raiders are a beatable team.
 
If Quinn had been in yesterday, he would've gotten killed by the PIT D and contracted the horrible Patrick Ramsey/David Carr syndrome.
I agree, and it was good he stayed on the sideline. I mentioned that in the piece. But this is more about moving forward and leaving the past behind. Who do you think should start next week?
 
I say start him. The best thing that happened for the Titans last year is when they finally decided to start Vince Young.

 
The Browns have messed this thing up from the start. First they pass on him in the first round then trade up to take him later in the 1st. Then they don't want to pay him. So hence the holdout. Then he finally signs and has enough time to put up a couple good games in the preseason for the Browns, and what do they do? They go with Frye and Anderson. Good grief. Even if the Browns were my favorite team growing up, I wouldn't want to play for them. Brady should just pull a Randy Moss and get out of Cleveland ASAP.

 
I say start him. The best thing that happened for the Titans last year is when they finally decided to start Vince Young.
Amen. So the question Id pose for you O is, does it matter that its only week 2 in your opinion? I know Vince didnt get in until the middle of the season. Vince Young's success is strong support for putting Quinn in. But the guys on the other side of the arguement will say it was his sitting several games that got him ready. I wouldnt really agree with it, but its out there.
 
If the Browns had a veteran mentor for Quinn, I would say let him sit. But considering that there is very little he can learn from Frye/Anderson, they might as well throw him in.

 
The Browns have messed this thing up from the start. First they pass on him in the first round then trade up to take him later in the 1st. Then they don't want to pay him. So hence the holdout. Then he finally signs and has enough time to put up a couple good games in the preseason for the Browns, and what do they do? They go with Frye and Anderson. Good grief. Even if the Browns were my favorite team growing up, I wouldn't want to play for them. Brady should just pull a Randy Moss and get out of Cleveland ASAP.
God, lets hope that doesnt happen. Quinn is going to turn this franchise around. That chip on his shoulder is growing by the day, which is a good thing, but he'll stick around. When he eventually plays he'll make those guys upstairs look a little better. But right now, this is the classic case of over-thinking.
 
If Quinn had been in yesterday, he would've gotten killed by the PIT D and contracted the horrible Patrick Ramsey/David Carr syndrome.
I agree, and it was good he stayed on the sideline. I mentioned that in the piece. But this is more about moving forward and leaving the past behind. Who do you think should start next week?
For the next few weeks I think they should play Frye. I am by no means saying Frye can get the job done and I have no idea what the hell happened to him sunday. If he looks the same next week then you just have to go with Anderson until that line and the offense can get their #### together.I don't want to see Quinn get killed because the line isn't in sync/ doesn't know their assignments. I don't think the line is as bad as what I saw sunday and will get it together but right now they are in disarray and I don't think it's a talent problem. At that point there is no reason not to go with Quinn

 
The Browns have messed this thing up from the start. First they pass on him in the first round then trade up to take him later in the 1st. Then they don't want to pay him. So hence the holdout. Then he finally signs and has enough time to put up a couple good games in the preseason for the Browns, and what do they do? They go with Frye and Anderson. Good grief. Even if the Browns were my favorite team growing up, I wouldn't want to play for them. Brady should just pull a Randy Moss and get out of Cleveland ASAP.
I'm not here to say the first sentence in your bolded passage is incorrect, but the Browns passing on someone they considered at 3 to draft them at 22 shouldn't be considered "messing things up fro mthe start." Most draft analysts say the Browns had one of the top drafts in the league. If you had said they spent too much to trade up for Quinn, I would agree at this point due to all early signs pointing to that 2008 draft pick being top 5. However, I don't think passing on Quinn for someone they had rated higher, and trading back into the 22nd pick to draft someone they rated higher than 22 (at a position of need) is a poor start.
 
If Crennel keeps Quinn out of games in the first half of the year, his job will be secured for next year. The front office can't lay the blame on the head coach if their first round QB wasn't even playing in the first half of the season.

 
If Quinn had been in yesterday, he would've gotten killed by the PIT D and contracted the horrible Patrick Ramsey/David Carr syndrome.
I agree, and it was good he stayed on the sideline. I mentioned that in the piece. But this is more about moving forward and leaving the past behind. Who do you think should start next week?
For the next few weeks I think they should play Frye. I am by no means saying Frye can get the job done and I have no idea what the hell happened to him sunday. If he looks the same next week then you just have to go with Anderson until that line and the offense can get their #### together.I don't want to see Quinn get killed because the line isn't in sync/ doesn't know their assignments. I don't think the line is as bad as what I saw sunday and will get it together but right now they are in disarray and I don't think it's a talent problem. At that point there is no reason not to go with Quinn
I dont want to see Quinn get killed either. Its not a matter of wishing the worst for a guy. But he's going to get hammered as an NFL QB at some point regardless. But consider this. The Browns were facing one of the most complicated and well-coached blitzing schemes in the league against Pittsburgh. There's no better defensive coach in the NFL than Coach LeBeau. The next 2 weeks, theyre playing an 8-8 team with a weak D, and a 2-14 team from a year ago with a highly overrated D. Those are 2 teams Brady Quinn should start against. They'll be facing Baltimore and New England soon enough, so give him some experience against 2 lesser teams, so he wont be so shell-shocked come week 4.
 
If Crennel keeps Quinn out of games in the first half of the year, his job will be secured for next year. The front office can't lay the blame on the head coach if their first round QB wasn't even playing in the first half of the season.
I want to agree with you, but I really question this. Why not secure the guy's job AND play Quinn? Why not let the coach play his best QB? Those guys upstairs are getting in the way, and theyre wearing suits for a reason. Because they cant coach!
 
The Browns have messed this thing up from the start. First they pass on him in the first round then trade up to take him later in the 1st. Then they don't want to pay him. So hence the holdout. Then he finally signs and has enough time to put up a couple good games in the preseason for the Browns, and what do they do? They go with Frye and Anderson. Good grief. Even if the Browns were my favorite team growing up, I wouldn't want to play for them. Brady should just pull a Randy Moss and get out of Cleveland ASAP.
I'm not here to say the first sentence in your bolded passage is incorrect, but the Browns passing on someone they considered at 3 to draft them at 22 shouldn't be considered "messing things up fro mthe start." Most draft analysts say the Browns had one of the top drafts in the league. If you had said they spent too much to trade up for Quinn, I would agree at this point due to all early signs pointing to that 2008 draft pick being top 5. However, I don't think passing on Quinn for someone they had rated higher, and trading back into the 22nd pick to draft someone they rated higher than 22 (at a position of need) is a poor start.
blond, Im agreeing with you fully, but I think the other poster's idea of the 'beginning' was probably after they drafted Quinn. Snagging Quinn at that spot in that draft was a steal. We all know that. it saved them a ton of cap space which will hopefully help them acquire another playmaker. But good free agent playmakers they can spend that money wont want to come to Cleveland until they see hope, and there wont be hope until Brady Quinn is playing football.
 
If Crennel keeps Quinn out of games in the first half of the year, his job will be secured for next year. The front office can't lay the blame on the head coach if their first round QB wasn't even playing in the first half of the season.
They can blame him for anything they want.
 
If Quinn had been in yesterday, he would've gotten killed by the PIT D and contracted the horrible Patrick Ramsey/David Carr syndrome.
I agree, and it was good he stayed on the sideline. I mentioned that in the piece. But this is more about moving forward and leaving the past behind. Who do you think should start next week?
For the next few weeks I think they should play Frye. I am by no means saying Frye can get the job done and I have no idea what the hell happened to him sunday. If he looks the same next week then you just have to go with Anderson until that line and the offense can get their #### together.I don't want to see Quinn get killed because the line isn't in sync/ doesn't know their assignments. I don't think the line is as bad as what I saw sunday and will get it together but right now they are in disarray and I don't think it's a talent problem. At that point there is no reason not to go with Quinn
I dont want to see Quinn get killed either. Its not a matter of wishing the worst for a guy. But he's going to get hammered as an NFL QB at some point regardless. But consider this. The Browns were facing one of the most complicated and well-coached blitzing schemes in the league against Pittsburgh. There's no better defensive coach in the NFL than Coach LeBeau. The next 2 weeks, theyre playing an 8-8 team with a weak D, and a 2-14 team from a year ago with a highly overrated D. Those are 2 teams Brady Quinn should start against. They'll be facing Baltimore and New England soon enough, so give him some experience against 2 lesser teams, so he wont be so shell-shocked come week 4.
I agree with you. However the line and backs were missing assignments and it's going to take a few games to sort that out. I would rather see him start after the bye and finish out the year rather than getting killed while the line gets it together.
 
Looking over Leinart's numbers from last year, if Quinn starts by week 3 or 4 his floor could be 2500 yards, 17 TDs and 17 INTs. Derek Anderson or Charlie Frye could get the same #'s but Quinn is the future in Cleveland so let him start NOW. It is not like Frye or Anderson gives them a better chance, last year is proof of that.

 
thank you, Steve Young. Thank you for being an honest .....and SMART human being.
:)
this was just in response to what Young said tonite on the ESPN pregame show....that Quinn was as NFL ready as a rookie QB coming into the league could be, and that Cleveland needed to get him into the lineup. Ive heard so much of the "oh, give him some time and bring him in after the bye week" crap that its good to hear someone who actually knows what he's talking about offer up a decent take on this. This coming from a guy who got completely hammererd as a young QB playing for the miserable Bucs back in the day.
 
what are thoughts on Quinn long term?
Quinn long term will be a #s machine. They already have 2 decent targets for him in Winslow and Edwards. Theyll bring in another RB with some skills next year. He will absolutely be the kindof QB who will make the talent around him look very good....and he'll win alot of games for this team for a long time. Fixed
 
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Full disclosure: I drafted Brady Quinn in the last round of my draft.

I tend to think a lot of people make decisions based upon short-term memory. Vince Young was thrown in as the starting QB early on in his rookie year. And it worked out extremely well. That's a positive memory. Tim Couch was thrown in as the starting QB very early on in his rookie year. That was a disaster. The Vince Young memory is more fresh in mind. Therefore people are more likely to want to go that route. And the coaching staff of any NFL team is not immune to short-term memory decision-making. The week 2 depth chart will probably be 1. Derrick Anderson 2. Brady Quinn 3. Ken Dorsey, and Quinn will probably start soon.

 
The Browns have messed this thing up from the start. First they pass on him in the first round then trade up to take him later in the 1st. Then they don't want to pay him. So hence the holdout. Then he finally signs and has enough time to put up a couple good games in the preseason for the Browns, and what do they do? They go with Frye and Anderson. Good grief. Even if the Browns were my favorite team growing up, I wouldn't want to play for them. Brady should just pull a Randy Moss and get out of Cleveland ASAP.
I'm not here to say the first sentence in your bolded passage is incorrect, but the Browns passing on someone they considered at 3 to draft them at 22 shouldn't be considered "messing things up fro mthe start." Most draft analysts say the Browns had one of the top drafts in the league. If you had said they spent too much to trade up for Quinn, I would agree at this point due to all early signs pointing to that 2008 draft pick being top 5. However, I don't think passing on Quinn for someone they had rated higher, and trading back into the 22nd pick to draft someone they rated higher than 22 (at a position of need) is a poor start.
I hate to keep rehashing this, but who cares (besides Dallas) if the Browns first round pick next year is top 5? They saw the opportunity to get a franchise type QB in the 2007 draft, after getting a franchise type LT, and went after it, instead of waiting another long year to get that very important part of the building rolling. The Browns would be looking QB in '08, would have to shell out a ton of money for him assuming it's top 5, so I guess it comes down to who rates out better (Quinn or the top of the '08 class) and if it's more important to get a guy a year earlier into your NEW system. imo, it was a great move for Cleveland and Dallas looking at all the circumstances.
 
The Browns have messed this thing up from the start. First they pass on him in the first round then trade up to take him later in the 1st. Then they don't want to pay him. So hence the holdout. Then he finally signs and has enough time to put up a couple good games in the preseason for the Browns, and what do they do? They go with Frye and Anderson. Good grief. Even if the Browns were my favorite team growing up, I wouldn't want to play for them. Brady should just pull a Randy Moss and get out of Cleveland ASAP.
If Brady Quinn turns out to be the real deal, the trade was a bargain. Phil Savage has a great eye for talent. He proved that in Baltimore and he's doing well finding playmakers for the Browns. If Savage likes him enough to trade a future #1, that's one hell of an endorsement.Savage's problem is that he doesn't commit to building the OL and DL thru the draft. They probably should have had one draft class by now where rounds 1 thru 4 should have been on the LOS. They need top talents on the LOS and they need depth there as well. He's identified talented guys, but his focus is wrong. Spending high picks on the secondary doesn't help when you can't dominate the defensive line. He drafts and Eric Wright and Bradney Pool. I have confidence in those players. But he's not addressing the right area of the team.
 
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that guy Savage is a dope. he loves to see himself on TV. Ive already heard too much from the man. why does he have to make these announcements instead of the head coach? ive got to say this is highly unusual. what are they afraid of? Put Quinn in.

 
that guy Savage is a dope. he loves to see himself on TV. Ive already heard too much from the man. why does he have to make these announcements instead of the head coach? ive got to say this is highly unusual. what are they afraid of? Put Quinn in.
the head coach doesn't make trades.
 
that guy Savage is a dope. he loves to see himself on TV. Ive already heard too much from the man. why does he have to make these announcements instead of the head coach? ive got to say this is highly unusual. what are they afraid of? Put Quinn in.
the head coach doesn't make trades.
Who said anything about HCs making trades? Im talking about the GM announcing the HCs depth chart? Its pretty obvious Phil Savage is basically telling Crennel what to do with Quinn.
 
that guy Savage is a dope. he loves to see himself on TV. Ive already heard too much from the man. why does he have to make these announcements instead of the head coach? ive got to say this is highly unusual. what are they afraid of? Put Quinn in.
the head coach doesn't make trades.
Who said anything about HCs making trades? Im talking about the GM announcing the HCs depth chart? Its pretty obvious Phil Savage is basically telling Crennel what to do with Quinn.
the announcement was about the trade. as a side note, he mentioned what the depth chart is.and i haven't heard a single quote from Crennell about him wanting to start Quinn, so i'm not sure where the percieved disagreement is between he and Savage.
 
that guy Savage is a dope. he loves to see himself on TV. Ive already heard too much from the man. why does he have to make these announcements instead of the head coach? ive got to say this is highly unusual. what are they afraid of? Put Quinn in.
the head coach doesn't make trades.
Who said anything about HCs making trades? Im talking about the GM announcing the HCs depth chart? Its pretty obvious Phil Savage is basically telling Crennel what to do with Quinn.
the announcement was about the trade. as a side note, he mentioned what the depth chart is.and i haven't heard a single quote from Crennell about him wanting to start Quinn, so i'm not sure where the percieved disagreement is between he and Savage.
We havent heard anything from Crennel about Quinn starting because Savage hasnt told him yet what theyre going to do with him. When Savage is ready to start Quinn, Im sure Romeo Crennel will be atleast one of the first people to know. I make light of this subject because after trading their starting QB after week 1, with a great young prospect standing on the sidelines, its pretty apparent to just about everyone that this team is being run like a carnival right now.
 
The Browns have messed this thing up from the start. First they pass on him in the first round then trade up to take him later in the 1st. Then they don't want to pay him. So hence the holdout. Then he finally signs and has enough time to put up a couple good games in the preseason for the Browns, and what do they do? They go with Frye and Anderson. Good grief. Even if the Browns were my favorite team growing up, I wouldn't want to play for them. Brady should just pull a Randy Moss and get out of Cleveland ASAP.
I'm not here to say the first sentence in your bolded passage is incorrect, but the Browns passing on someone they considered at 3 to draft them at 22 shouldn't be considered "messing things up fro mthe start." Most draft analysts say the Browns had one of the top drafts in the league. If you had said they spent too much to trade up for Quinn, I would agree at this point due to all early signs pointing to that 2008 draft pick being top 5. However, I don't think passing on Quinn for someone they had rated higher, and trading back into the 22nd pick to draft someone they rated higher than 22 (at a position of need) is a poor start.
I hate to keep rehashing this, but who cares (besides Dallas) if the Browns first round pick next year is top 5? They saw the opportunity to get a franchise type QB in the 2007 draft, after getting a franchise type LT, and went after it, instead of waiting another long year to get that very important part of the building rolling. The Browns would be looking QB in '08, would have to shell out a ton of money for him assuming it's top 5, so I guess it comes down to who rates out better (Quinn or the top of the '08 class) and if it's more important to get a guy a year earlier into your NEW system. imo, it was a great move for Cleveland and Dallas looking at all the circumstances.
I think it was a good move as well, but if Savage knew the Browns would be picking top 5 in 2008 I don't think he makes the trade. Given the free agency moves, I think Savage truely believed that our 2008 first rounder wouldn't be top 10. Obviously, he didn't know how the Browns would finish and saw an opportunity and took it. But with hindsight being 20/20, and if the Browns do finish in the bottom 5, I bet Savage will regret the trade.
 
What's interesting about all this right now to me is that I really like about half the moves the Browns and Savage are making. I like the trade of Frye to Seattle. I like that they were able to get anything at all for that scrub. But they traded him away AFTER he cost this team a win. And after friggin' week 1 of the NFL season. Who does that? Honestly. But its good that they moved him, so now Frye is out of the picture. And obviously I love the move they made to bring in Quinn, but then they dont give him any chance to compete for the job while clearly their best QB. Derek Anderson is a guy who couldnt even beat out the scrub they just traded off, but now HE's going to be the starting QB of the team??? Doesnt make sense. Again, good move/bad move. They can say all they want about Quinn not being ready, blah, blah, blah. In the meantime, while they wait until week 6 or whenever it is that they feel Quinn is ready, this team is going to be 0-5 or 0-6. Theyre going to be winless by the time he even sees the field, without a 1st round draft pick next year to even look forward to. Imo, by sitting Quinn, theyre not giving themselves a chance to win either of the next 2 games at home vs the Bengals and on the road vs Oakland, which imo are very winnable games. Im not overly impressed with the Bengals ive gotta tell you. Baltimore just gave them 6 turnovers last night, and Cinci was lucky to win that game. And Oakland? Well, theyre Oakland. but after that youve got Baltimore and New England, and you may as well chalk those up as 2 losses. So, how are you going to feel about that Browns' fans?? Youre team starting out 0 and 5? Writing off the season in week1 or week 2. That's what your GM is doing right now. That's the cost of sitting Brady Quinn and waiting for him to be 'ready'.

 
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What's interesting about all this right now to me is that I really like about half the moves the Browns and Savage are making. I like the trade of Frye to Seattle. I like that they were able to get anything at all for that scrub. But they traded him away AFTER he cost this team a win. And after friggin' week 1 of the NFL season. Who does that?
1. trading next year's #1 for another pick this year.2. benching the week 1 starter in the 2nd quarter, then trading him before week 2.

Bomcbined, these are moves consistent with a front office that is panicking, probably due to a genuine fear that their jobs are in jeopardy.

 
Quinn missed 16 practices in camp. Each practice where 15 plays of the playbook were being installed.

16 practices * 15 play installments = 240 plays that Quinn missed out on and still hasn't caught up on.

He doesn't know the playbook. He doesn't know his own playbook so how on earth would he be able to read complex NFL defenses that he's never been exposed to before? If a defense shuts down the limited number of plays that Quinn knows the coaching staff won't be able to adjust because Quinn DOESN'T KNOW ENOUGH OF THE PLAYBOOK.

He hasn't worked enough with the first team offense to get timing down. QB/WR timing on routes is critical. Linemen adjust footplacements etc for every QB. Putting him in before he has developed timing/chemistry will set him up to fail.

The contract that Quinn signed that had huge INCENTIVES built in which were based on the number of STARTS he gets! Quinn has not EARNED any starts and paying out huge incentives for starting over 30% of the snaps his rookie season means the salary cap next year could be impacted. The team will need at least one quality free agent signing to help offset missing a first round draft pick which means paying out incentives that they don't have to will hurt the team's chances of landing a top free agent next year.

The team is NOT going to the postseason this year, no post season hopes are being dashed.

The offensive line isn't ready yet. Joe Thomas just got his first start. Eric Stienbeck injured his knee in preseason and isn't 100%. Ryan Tucker still has three games left on his steroid suspension. Shaffer is coming off a concussion. The line is the reason the running game hasn't been able to get untracked.

It would be a bad decision to rush a rookie QB into the starting lineup with NO RUNNING GAME, missing crucial pieces of his protective wall up front, facing complicated defenses that he has no clue to beat, where he hasn't established timing with the first unit offense, and where he doesn't know the playbook.

The organizational statement is firm, once Brady Quinn is put in as starter he's not coming out no matter how he plays.

Bottom line, Quinn isn't ready. The front office got rid of Frye and the coaches promoted Quinn to the #2 QB which means he's closer to starting. When he's ready they will make the call NOT the fans. Injuries/suspension on the offensive line, salary cap implications, and even the tough early schedule, make it an easy call. Sitting Brady till he's ready won't hurt him or harm his long term development. Their is no good reason to rush him in before he's ready and their are numerous reasons to wait till he is ready so he'll have the best chance to succeed.

I swear people just parrort the swill that ESPN spews out on NFL Live and don't take the time to think things out for themselves.

 
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They brought in Dorsey to assist with preparing him for the #1 job. Seems as if they agree that he's not ready just yet. I'm just curious how long Anderson will make it.

 
Quinn missed 16 practices in camp. Each practice where 15 plays of the playbook were being installed.

16 practices * 15 play installments = 240 plays that Quinn missed out on and still hasn't caught up on.

He doesn't know the playbook. He doesn't know his own playbook so how on earth would he be able to read complex NFL defenses that he's never been exposed to before? If a defense shuts down the limited number of plays that Quinn knows the coaching staff won't be able to adjust because Quinn DOESN'T KNOW ENOUGH OF THE PLAYBOOK.

He hasn't worked enough with the first team offense to get timing down. QB/WR timing on routes is critical. Linemen adjust footplacements etc for every QB. Putting him in before he has developed timing/chemistry will set him up to fail.

The contract that Quinn signed that had huge INCENTIVES built in which were based on the number of STARTS he gets! Quinn has not EARNED any starts and paying out huge incentives for starting over 30% of the snaps his rookie season means the salary cap next year could be impacted. The team will need at least one quality free agent signing to help offset missing a first round draft pick which means paying out incentives that they don't have to will hurt the team's chances of landing a top free agent next year.

The team is NOT going to the postseason this year, no post season hopes are being dashed.

The offensive line isn't ready yet. Joe Thomas just got his first start. Eric Stienbeck injured his knee in preseason and isn't 100%. Ryan Tucker still has three games left on his steroid suspension. Shaffer is coming off a concussion. The line is the reason the running game hasn't been able to get untracked.

It would be a bad decision to rush a rookie QB into the starting lineup with NO RUNNING GAME, missing crucial pieces of his protective wall up front, facing complicated defenses that he has no clue to beat, where he hasn't established timing with the first unit offense, and where he doesn't know the playbook.

The organizational statement is firm, once Brady Quinn is put in as starter he's not coming out no matter how he plays.

Bottom line, Quinn isn't ready. The front office got rid of Frye and the coaches promoted Quinn to the #2 QB which means he's closer to starting. When he's ready they will make the call NOT the fans. Injuries/suspension on the offensive line, salary cap implications, and even the tough early schedule, make it an easy call. Sitting Brady till he's ready won't hurt him or harm his long term development. Their is no good reason to rush him in before he's ready and their are numerous reasons to wait till he is ready so he'll have the best chance to succeed.

I swear people just parrort the swill that ESPN spews out on NFL Live and don't take the time to think things out for themselves.
Good post.
 
Quinn missed 16 practices in camp. Each practice where 15 plays of the playbook were being installed.

16 practices * 15 play installments = 240 plays that Quinn missed out on and still hasn't caught up on.

He doesn't know the playbook. He doesn't know his own playbook so how on earth would he be able to read complex NFL defenses that he's never been exposed to before? If a defense shuts down the limited number of plays that Quinn knows the coaching staff won't be able to adjust because Quinn DOESN'T KNOW ENOUGH OF THE PLAYBOOK.

He hasn't worked enough with the first team offense to get timing down. QB/WR timing on routes is critical. Linemen adjust footplacements etc for every QB. Putting him in before he has developed timing/chemistry will set him up to fail.

The contract that Quinn signed that had huge INCENTIVES built in which were based on the number of STARTS he gets! Quinn has not EARNED any starts and paying out huge incentives for starting over 30% of the snaps his rookie season means the salary cap next year could be impacted. The team will need at least one quality free agent signing to help offset missing a first round draft pick which means paying out incentives that they don't have to will hurt the team's chances of landing a top free agent next year.

The team is NOT going to the postseason this year, no post season hopes are being dashed.

The offensive line isn't ready yet. Joe Thomas just got his first start. Eric Stienbeck injured his knee in preseason and isn't 100%. Ryan Tucker still has three games left on his steroid suspension. Shaffer is coming off a concussion. The line is the reason the running game hasn't been able to get untracked.

It would be a bad decision to rush a rookie QB into the starting lineup with NO RUNNING GAME, missing crucial pieces of his protective wall up front, facing complicated defenses that he has no clue to beat, where he hasn't established timing with the first unit offense, and where he doesn't know the playbook.

The organizational statement is firm, once Brady Quinn is put in as starter he's not coming out no matter how he plays.

Bottom line, Quinn isn't ready. The front office got rid of Frye and the coaches promoted Quinn to the #2 QB which means he's closer to starting. When he's ready they will make the call NOT the fans. Injuries/suspension on the offensive line, salary cap implications, and even the tough early schedule, make it an easy call. Sitting Brady till he's ready won't hurt him or harm his long term development. Their is no good reason to rush him in before he's ready and their are numerous reasons to wait till he is ready so he'll have the best chance to succeed.

I swear people just parrort the swill that ESPN spews out on NFL Live and don't take the time to think things out for themselves.
This is some pretty negative thinking. And this is exactly how the Browns think, and why theyre an embarssment of a franchise. And some of us happen to think for ourselves. To think that Anderson has earned anything and is more ready than Brady Quinn is a pretty ridiculous notion. Quinn is a star in waiting. Anderson will be lucky to be in the league in 3 years.
 
The team will need at least one quality free agent signing to help offset missing a first round draft pick which means paying out incentives that they don't have to will hurt the team's chances of landing a top free agent next year.
Why would they need to do that? They aren't projected to win the super bowl in 2008. There's no need to try to compensate for the loss of a #1 like that. They already used that #1 on Quinn. The Browns would be better off if they spent their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks on OL and DL to restock some prospects on both lines.
 
SoloMatisse said:
Bracie Smathers said:
Quinn missed 16 practices in camp. Each practice where 15 plays of the playbook were being installed.

16 practices * 15 play installments = 240 plays that Quinn missed out on and still hasn't caught up on.

He doesn't know the playbook. He doesn't know his own playbook so how on earth would he be able to read complex NFL defenses that he's never been exposed to before? If a defense shuts down the limited number of plays that Quinn knows the coaching staff won't be able to adjust because Quinn DOESN'T KNOW ENOUGH OF THE PLAYBOOK.

He hasn't worked enough with the first team offense to get timing down. QB/WR timing on routes is critical. Linemen adjust footplacements etc for every QB. Putting him in before he has developed timing/chemistry will set him up to fail.

The contract that Quinn signed that had huge INCENTIVES built in which were based on the number of STARTS he gets! Quinn has not EARNED any starts and paying out huge incentives for starting over 30% of the snaps his rookie season means the salary cap next year could be impacted. The team will need at least one quality free agent signing to help offset missing a first round draft pick which means paying out incentives that they don't have to will hurt the team's chances of landing a top free agent next year.

The team is NOT going to the postseason this year, no post season hopes are being dashed.

The offensive line isn't ready yet. Joe Thomas just got his first start. Eric Stienbeck injured his knee in preseason and isn't 100%. Ryan Tucker still has three games left on his steroid suspension. Shaffer is coming off a concussion. The line is the reason the running game hasn't been able to get untracked.

It would be a bad decision to rush a rookie QB into the starting lineup with NO RUNNING GAME, missing crucial pieces of his protective wall up front, facing complicated defenses that he has no clue to beat, where he hasn't established timing with the first unit offense, and where he doesn't know the playbook.

The organizational statement is firm, once Brady Quinn is put in as starter he's not coming out no matter how he plays.

Bottom line, Quinn isn't ready. The front office got rid of Frye and the coaches promoted Quinn to the #2 QB which means he's closer to starting. When he's ready they will make the call NOT the fans. Injuries/suspension on the offensive line, salary cap implications, and even the tough early schedule, make it an easy call. Sitting Brady till he's ready won't hurt him or harm his long term development. Their is no good reason to rush him in before he's ready and their are numerous reasons to wait till he is ready so he'll have the best chance to succeed.

I swear people just parrort the swill that ESPN spews out on NFL Live and don't take the time to think things out for themselves.
This is some pretty negative thinking. And this is exactly how the Browns think, and why theyre an embarssment of a franchise. And some of us happen to think for ourselves. To think that Anderson has earned anything and is more ready than Brady Quinn is a pretty ridiculous notion. Quinn is a star in waiting. Anderson will be lucky to be in the league in 3 years.
You called the team an 'embarassment' and then say I displayed negative thinking? I had the audacity to state the cold hard facts about the status of, the offensive line, timing with the first string starters, contract implications of giving Quinn starts he hasn't earned, missed practices and the number of play intallements he missed out on, and how not knowing the playbook would hurt Quinn, YOU called the team an embarassment and used negative thinking to say the team doesn't know what they are doing but you do. :lmao:

Derek Anderson has been in the NFL for years, Quinn is a rookie. DA has 3 NFL starts under his belt, Quinn doesn't even have one preseason start to his name. DA was signed and in camp all summer long, Quinn held out and missed crucial training camp practices. DA was with the Browns Offensive Coordinator Chudzinski back when Chud hired in February and had the playbook in February, Brady Quinn was drafted in late April.

Derek Andeson IS more ready than Brady Quinn to start right now but you say its 'ridiculous' to say he's not. :lmao:

DA isn't the long term answer at QB and Quinn is but no amount of negative thinking by ill-informed fans or pimping to start him before he's ready because they drafted Brady Quinn in their fantasy draft will change the fact that Quinn is simply NOT ready to start now.

The trade of Frye was a good move and so is sitting Quinn till he's ready but you want to say GOOD moves are negative. :lmao:

 
WKNR reporting this morning that Crennell won't hesitate to put Quinn in this weekend if Anderson struggles against the Bengals.

 

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