Brady signs 3 year extension (1 Viewer)

[Dr. Octopus]

Patriots signed QB Tom Brady to a three-year, $27 million extension through 2017.Previously signed through 2014, Brady is now under contract until age 40 and will likely retire a Patriot. As explained by SI's Peter King, Brady's deal will pay him "significantly less than the market will bear," in an effort to ensure the Patriots stay competitive throughout the contract's life. Brady received an immediate $3 million signing bonus, but the new deal gives New England "massive cap relief" by reducing Brady's 2013-2014 salary cap numbers, freeing up $15 million over those two seasons. The Patriots should be active in free agency thanks to Brady. His 2013 cap number has been reduced from $22 million to $13.8 million.

Perhaps the Pats can now sign his buddy Wes, instead of letting him walk.

 

[meyerj31]

Patriots signed QB Tom Brady to a three-year, $27 million extension through 2017.Previously signed through 2014, Brady is now under contract until age 40 and will likely retire a Patriot. As explained by SI's Peter King, Brady's deal will pay him "significantly less than the market will bear," in an effort to ensure the Patriots stay competitive throughout the contract's life. Brady received an immediate $3 million signing bonus, but the new deal gives New England "massive cap relief" by reducing Brady's 2013-2014 salary cap numbers, freeing up $15 million over those two seasons. The Patriots should be active in free agency thanks to Brady. His 2013 cap number has been reduced from $22 million to $13.8 million.

Perhaps the Pats can now sign his buddy Wes, instead of letting him walk.

Nice move to keep them competitive. After already making $100M over his career from salary and endorsements, then marrying a supermodel, why not take a pay cut to win? Good stuff.You gotta believe this makes Welker staying more likely, but there's still no way they are paying top WR money for him. Welker wouldn't get more than $6M per year from any other team.I wouldn't be surprised to see the Packers do something similar with Rodgers, who has openly stated that he knows the "bigger piece of the pie I take, the less goes to keep the team competitive" or something like that. I could see Rodgers signing his next deal for like $15M/year when he could easily command $20m.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Does this hurt Flacco's leverage at all you have to wonder?

 

[12punch]

Lol if i'm the ravens i work off brady's 9m per

 

[Workhorse]

You want serious LULZ?Brady's 2013 cap figure is now $100,000 less than Mark Sanchez.

 

[meyerj31]

You want serious LULZ?Brady's 2013 cap figure is now $100,000 less than Mark Sanchez.

Lol.

 

[cstu]

Patriots signed QB Tom Brady to a three-year, $27 million extension through 2017.Previously signed through 2014, Brady is now under contract until age 40 and will likely retire a Patriot. As explained by SI's Peter King, Brady's deal will pay him "significantly less than the market will bear," in an effort to ensure the Patriots stay competitive throughout the contract's life. Brady received an immediate $3 million signing bonus, but the new deal gives New England "massive cap relief" by reducing Brady's 2013-2014 salary cap numbers, freeing up $15 million over those two seasons. The Patriots should be active in free agency thanks to Brady. His 2013 cap number has been reduced from $22 million to $13.8 million.

Perhaps the Pats can now sign his buddy Wes, instead of letting him walk.

This sounds extremely team friendly except for the fact that it's 48M guaranteed for a QB until he's 40. Good luck if something happens to him.

 

[The Comedian]

Very little doubt in my mind that Welker will be re-signed. I don't think Brady agrees to this without assurances on that front.

 

[MAC_32]

Very little doubt in my mind that Welker will be re-signed. I don't think Brady agrees to this without assurances on that front.

Oh I am sure he was told if you want wes to stay you need to take a pay cut, ball is in your court.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Patriots signed QB Tom Brady to a three-year, $27 million extension through 2017.Previously signed through 2014, Brady is now under contract until age 40 and will likely retire a Patriot. As explained by SI's Peter King, Brady's deal will pay him "significantly less than the market will bear," in an effort to ensure the Patriots stay competitive throughout the contract's life. Brady received an immediate $3 million signing bonus, but the new deal gives New England "massive cap relief" by reducing Brady's 2013-2014 salary cap numbers, freeing up $15 million over those two seasons. The Patriots should be active in free agency thanks to Brady. His 2013 cap number has been reduced from $22 million to $13.8 million.

Perhaps the Pats can now sign his buddy Wes, instead of letting him walk.

This sounds extremely team friendly except for the fact that it's 48M guaranteed for a QB until he's 40. Good luck if something happens to him.

Are your REALLY trying to suggest the deal isn't extremely team friendly?

 

[The Comedian]

Patriots signed QB Tom Brady to a three-year, $27 million extension through 2017.Previously signed through 2014, Brady is now under contract until age 40 and will likely retire a Patriot. As explained by SI's Peter King, Brady's deal will pay him "significantly less than the market will bear," in an effort to ensure the Patriots stay competitive throughout the contract's life. Brady received an immediate $3 million signing bonus, but the new deal gives New England "massive cap relief" by reducing Brady's 2013-2014 salary cap numbers, freeing up $15 million over those two seasons. The Patriots should be active in free agency thanks to Brady. His 2013 cap number has been reduced from $22 million to $13.8 million.

Perhaps the Pats can now sign his buddy Wes, instead of letting him walk.

This sounds extremely team friendly except for the fact that it's 48M guaranteed for a QB until he's 40. Good luck if something happens to him.

Are your REALLY trying to suggest the deal isn't extremely team friendly?

Not to speak for him, but while it is definitely team friendly, I think the point is it's not like Brady didn't get anything in the deal. Having a 3 year, fully guaranteed contract in the NFL is unheard of. Yes, he did them a favor (which is indirectly doing himself a favor, assuming they spend what they saved), but it wasn't 100% charity.

 

[Donnybrook]

Patriots signed QB Tom Brady to a three-year, $27 million extension through 2017.Previously signed through 2014, Brady is now under contract until age 40 and will likely retire a Patriot. As explained by SI's Peter King, Brady's deal will pay him "significantly less than the market will bear," in an effort to ensure the Patriots stay competitive throughout the contract's life. Brady received an immediate $3 million signing bonus, but the new deal gives New England "massive cap relief" by reducing Brady's 2013-2014 salary cap numbers, freeing up $15 million over those two seasons. The Patriots should be active in free agency thanks to Brady. His 2013 cap number has been reduced from $22 million to $13.8 million.

Perhaps the Pats can now sign his buddy Wes, instead of letting him walk.

I expect to be hearing more Harvin trade rumors soon.

 

[cstu]

Patriots signed QB Tom Brady to a three-year, $27 million extension through 2017.Previously signed through 2014, Brady is now under contract until age 40 and will likely retire a Patriot. As explained by SI's Peter King, Brady's deal will pay him "significantly less than the market will bear," in an effort to ensure the Patriots stay competitive throughout the contract's life. Brady received an immediate $3 million signing bonus, but the new deal gives New England "massive cap relief" by reducing Brady's 2013-2014 salary cap numbers, freeing up $15 million over those two seasons. The Patriots should be active in free agency thanks to Brady. His 2013 cap number has been reduced from $22 million to $13.8 million.

Perhaps the Pats can now sign his buddy Wes, instead of letting him walk.

This sounds extremely team friendly except for the fact that it's 48M guaranteed for a QB until he's 40. Good luck if something happens to him.

Are your REALLY trying to suggest the deal isn't extremely team friendly?

Not to speak for him, but while it is definitely team friendly, I think the point is it's not like Brady didn't get anything in the deal. Having a 3 year, fully guaranteed contract in the NFL is unheard of. Yes, he did them a favor (which is indirectly doing himself a favor, assuming they spend what they saved), but it wasn't 100% charity.

It's extremely team friendly UNLESS Brady gets hurt or fails to play at a high level. They are stuck with him until he's 40 no matter what. Brady didn't do it out of the kindness of his heart but it does help the team in the short term. However, it's highly risky in the long-term.

 

[12punch]

The extension is guaranteed money?

 

[cstu]

The extension is guaranteed money?

Yes.

 

[The Comedian]

Patriots signed QB Tom Brady to a three-year, $27 million extension through 2017.Previously signed through 2014, Brady is now under contract until age 40 and will likely retire a Patriot. As explained by SI's Peter King, Brady's deal will pay him "significantly less than the market will bear," in an effort to ensure the Patriots stay competitive throughout the contract's life. Brady received an immediate $3 million signing bonus, but the new deal gives New England "massive cap relief" by reducing Brady's 2013-2014 salary cap numbers, freeing up $15 million over those two seasons. The Patriots should be active in free agency thanks to Brady. His 2013 cap number has been reduced from $22 million to $13.8 million.

Perhaps the Pats can now sign his buddy Wes, instead of letting him walk.

I expect to be hearing more Harvin trade rumors soon.

I, for one, do not. They may have flexibility now, but I don't think they're going to jump into bed with a big contract like that now. Plus they already short some picks this year.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Very little doubt in my mind that Welker will be re-signed. I don't think Brady agrees to this without assurances on that front.

gotta be part of the deal, I give u a break and you hook up my buddy

 

[KellysHeroes]

Does this hurt Flacco's leverage at all you have to wonder?

no, Brady just made 100M.

 

[ICON211]

Does this hurt Flacco's leverage at all you have to wonder?

no, Brady just made 100M.

Agree, completely different situations as to where each guy is in their career.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Does this hurt Flacco's leverage at all you have to wonder?

no, Brady just made 100M.

Agree, completely different situations as to where each guy is in their career.

i bet Drew Brees won't be happy about this

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

brady is ####### awesome

 

[GroveDiesel]

Albert Breer points out that it basically turns it into a 5 year $60M contract that is fully guaranteed.It's certainly below market for now, but what are the typical falloffs for QBs when they're 38, 39 and 40? Although, even then, the new tv deal will be in effect and the salary cap could be much higher, making $15M a year not too awful. And I think Brady is the kind of guy that would retire rather than force the issue or be a $15M a year backup. I'm assuming the money isn't guaranteed for retirement. Although with the restructure, I'm not sure if it would still count against the cap regardless.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Albert Breer points out that it basically turns it into a 5 year $60M contract that is fully guaranteed.It's certainly below market for now, but what are the typical falloffs for QBs when they're 38, 39 and 40? Although, even then, the new tv deal will be in effect and the salary cap could be much higher, making $15M a year not too awful. And I think Brady is the kind of guy that would retire rather than force the issue or be a $15M a year backup. I'm assuming the money isn't guaranteed for retirement. Although with the restructure, I'm not sure if it would still count against the cap regardless.

Brees got 40 million guaranteed year 1. Still a very team friendly contact even if its all guaranteed. Manning is going to make 58 million over the first 3 years of his deal. Bradys basically playing years 4 and 5 for free.

 

[GregR]

Albert Breer points out that it basically turns it into a 5 year $60M contract that is fully guaranteed.It's certainly below market for now, but what are the typical falloffs for QBs when they're 38, 39 and 40? Although, even then, the new tv deal will be in effect and the salary cap could be much higher, making $15M a year not too awful. And I think Brady is the kind of guy that would retire rather than force the issue or be a $15M a year backup. I'm assuming the money isn't guaranteed for retirement. Although with the restructure, I'm not sure if it would still count against the cap regardless.

As the first comparison that came to mind, I believe what Brady would be making at that age would be comparable with what Favre made with the Vikings. I think Favre had 2 years, $25m, so virtually the same average.And as you say, the cap should go up again after the money the players borrowed from future years is all paid off.

 

[Nucker101]

You want serious LULZ?Brady's 2013 cap figure is now $100,000 less than Mark Sanchez.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

You want serious LULZ?Brady's 2013 cap figure is now $100,000 less than Mark Sanchez.

maybe jets will follow suit and sign sanchez to 3 more years to drop his cap

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Patriots signed QB Tom Brady to a three-year, $27 million extension through 2017.Previously signed through 2014, Brady is now under contract until age 40 and will likely retire a Patriot. As explained by SI's Peter King, Brady's deal will pay him "significantly less than the market will bear," in an effort to ensure the Patriots stay competitive throughout the contract's life. Brady received an immediate $3 million signing bonus, but the new deal gives New England "massive cap relief" by reducing Brady's 2013-2014 salary cap numbers, freeing up $15 million over those two seasons. The Patriots should be active in free agency thanks to Brady. His 2013 cap number has been reduced from $22 million to $13.8 million.

Perhaps the Pats can now sign his buddy Wes, instead of letting him walk.

This sounds extremely team friendly except for the fact that it's 48M guaranteed for a QB until he's 40. Good luck if something happens to him.

Are your REALLY trying to suggest the deal isn't extremely team friendly?

Not to speak for him, but while it is definitely team friendly, I think the point is it's not like Brady didn't get anything in the deal. Having a 3 year, fully guaranteed contract in the NFL is unheard of. Yes, he did them a favor (which is indirectly doing himself a favor, assuming they spend what they saved), but it wasn't 100% charity.

It's extremely team friendly UNLESS Brady gets hurt or fails to play at a high level. They are stuck with him until he's 40 no matter what. Brady didn't do it out of the kindness of his heart but it does help the team in the short term. However, it's highly risky in the long-term.

Sure, if you want to look at the absolute worse case scenario (IE what is unlikely to happen) then yes it wouldn't be good, but you could say that about virtually any contract. Even if his play tails off a bit they are only paying him about 14m a year on average. I agree with King that that represents a huge discount and I think most would agree that barring a career ending injury it will prove to be a great deal for the team.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

FWIW, I didn't think they would be able to get a deal done with Welker, but now I would be very surprised if Welker isn't signed within the next few days.

 

[Boston]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000145113/article/wes-welker-patriots-could-still-get-extension-doneI heard about Welker potentially re-signing on the radio today...if you connect the dots Brady's deal and this report coming out on the same day doesn't seem like a fluke...hopefully they get something done here...

 

[ConnSKINS26]

My dynasty roster hopes that deal gets done.

 

[cobalt_27]

I'm impressed. It's not total charity, he's still making a ton. But, it's clearly and deliberately below market value.I don't think there's any question now that Welker remains a Patriot.As a sports fan, I rather like respect this. A lot.

 

[cstu]

Albert Breer points out that it basically turns it into a 5 year $60M contract that is fully guaranteed.It's certainly below market for now, but what are the typical falloffs for QBs when they're 38, 39 and 40? Although, even then, the new tv deal will be in effect and the salary cap could be much higher, making $15M a year not too awful. And I think Brady is the kind of guy that would retire rather than force the issue or be a $15M a year backup. I'm assuming the money isn't guaranteed for retirement. Although with the restructure, I'm not sure if it would still count against the cap regardless.

There are not many QB's who have played well (200 fantasy points) at 38+:Favre at 38, 39, and 40Moon at 38 and 39Flutie and Simms at 39Warner, Tarkenton, Elway, Morton, and Montana at 38- Favre and Moon are the only QB's to reach 250 FP's at 38+.

 

[Coin Flip]

I dont have a problem with this deal or move by the Pats/Brady at all.

 

[KellysHeroes]

You want serious LULZ?Brady's 2013 cap figure is now $100,000 less than Mark Sanchez.

maybe jets will follow suit and sign sanchez to 3 more years to drop his cap

Mark equals Brady in AFC title games since coming in the league

 

[The Comedian]

You want serious LULZ?Brady's 2013 cap figure is now $100,000 less than Mark Sanchez.

maybe jets will follow suit and sign sanchez to 3 more years to drop his cap

Mark equals Brady in AFC title games since coming in the league

I can't imagine what the point of posting this is.

 

[12punch]

Albert Breer points out that it basically turns it into a 5 year $60M contract that is fully guaranteed.It's certainly below market for now, but what are the typical falloffs for QBs when they're 38, 39 and 40? Although, even then, the new tv deal will be in effect and the salary cap could be much higher, making $15M a year not too awful. And I think Brady is the kind of guy that would retire rather than force the issue or be a $15M a year backup. I'm assuming the money isn't guaranteed for retirement. Although with the restructure, I'm not sure if it would still count against the cap regardless.

There are not many QB's who have played well (200 fantasy points) at 38+:Favre at 38, 39, and 40Moon at 38 and 39Flutie and Simms at 39Warner, Tarkenton, Elway, Morton, and Montana at 38- Favre and Moon are the only QB's to reach 250 FP's at 38+.

How many have 50 td in a season?

 

[menobrown]

I think Brady signed a very team friendly contract but to early to say for sure right now. As of right now he gave up no money while increasing his guarantee's. There is nothing to prevent the Patriots from adding bonus money or reworking that deal in the future to get Brady more money. This is noy what I think will happen as it's always appeared to me Brady was never as concerned about maximizing his contract in the way guys like Peyton and Brees have done but this deal is extremely low so not ruling it out.As it pertains to Welker this freed up cap space so signing him can be done easier. If in fact Brady specified he was willing to take less so they could dedicate "X" amount of dollars to appease Wes than it's probably a near certainty but I can't say that's how it played out.As Wes is concerned just because Brady took less does not mean he will. For one he's not come close to personally making the money Brady has on or off the field and his wife did not make around $45 million last year. If it's close I think he'll stay but it's going to need to be close. I still expect him to hit unrestricted FA and test the market but if I had to bet on it I'd say he ends up returning.

 

[Late225]

Boston radio this morning said it freed up $8 million in cap for this season

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Albert Breer points out that it basically turns it into a 5 year $60M contract that is fully guaranteed.It's certainly below market for now, but what are the typical falloffs for QBs when they're 38, 39 and 40? Although, even then, the new tv deal will be in effect and the salary cap could be much higher, making $15M a year not too awful. And I think Brady is the kind of guy that would retire rather than force the issue or be a $15M a year backup. I'm assuming the money isn't guaranteed for retirement. Although with the restructure, I'm not sure if it would still count against the cap regardless.

There are not many QB's who have played well (200 fantasy points) at 38+:Favre at 38, 39, and 40Moon at 38 and 39Flutie and Simms at 39Warner, Tarkenton, Elway, Morton, and Montana at 38- Favre and Moon are the only QB's to reach 250 FP's at 38+.

I don't think NE really cares about FF numbers, but I understand the point you were attempting to make. Didn't Denver just give Manning, at the same age, coming off neck surgery, after not having played the previous year essentially the same amount of garuanteed money for only 3 years? NE gets Brady for the same money AND 2 more years, again anything can happen but it looks like a great deal for NE.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Albert Breer points out that it basically turns it into a 5 year $60M contract that is fully guaranteed.It's certainly below market for now, but what are the typical falloffs for QBs when they're 38, 39 and 40? Although, even then, the new tv deal will be in effect and the salary cap could be much higher, making $15M a year not too awful. And I think Brady is the kind of guy that would retire rather than force the issue or be a $15M a year backup. I'm assuming the money isn't guaranteed for retirement. Although with the restructure, I'm not sure if it would still count against the cap regardless.

There are not many QB's who have played well (200 fantasy points) at 38+:Favre at 38, 39, and 40Moon at 38 and 39Flutie and Simms at 39Warner, Tarkenton, Elway, Morton, and Montana at 38- Favre and Moon are the only QB's to reach 250 FP's at 38+.

How many have 50 td in a season?

Brady's downfield accuracy seemed worse this year to me and his arm strength seemed to be a tad lower as well. He had the lowest completion percentage he's had in 7 years. He threw more passes than he's ever thrown. Seems like a recipe for an upcoming decline to me.Montana, Flutie and Simms are the only ones of that group not to have rocket arms as well. And I would say Flutie's success is a total outlier. Montana would probably be the most optimistic scenario for Brady. And let's not forget that those Montana seasons didn't come with the Niners.ETA: I still think it was a very good deal for the Pats, but Brady just doubled the guaranteed money he had coming to him. So let's not pretend it was a total charity case.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Albert Breer points out that it basically turns it into a 5 year $60M contract that is fully guaranteed.It's certainly below market for now, but what are the typical falloffs for QBs when they're 38, 39 and 40? Although, even then, the new tv deal will be in effect and the salary cap could be much higher, making $15M a year not too awful. And I think Brady is the kind of guy that would retire rather than force the issue or be a $15M a year backup. I'm assuming the money isn't guaranteed for retirement. Although with the restructure, I'm not sure if it would still count against the cap regardless.

There are not many QB's who have played well (200 fantasy points) at 38+:Favre at 38, 39, and 40Moon at 38 and 39Flutie and Simms at 39Warner, Tarkenton, Elway, Morton, and Montana at 38- Favre and Moon are the only QB's to reach 250 FP's at 38+.

I don't think NE really cares about FF numbers, but I understand the point you were attempting to make. Didn't Denver just give Manning, at the same age, coming off neck surgery, after not having played the previous year essentially the same amount of garuanteed money for only 3 years? NE gets Brady for the same money AND 2 more years, again anything can happen but it looks like a great deal for NE.

Of course the big difference is that Manning was an unrestricted free agent and Brady was under contract for 2 more years. If Brady went to free agency in 2 years (3 years after Manning did) what would his contract look like? How much would a team give a 38 year old Brady? 2 years $20-25M? That's assuming he hasn't had any major injuries.My guess is that ultimately Brady gave up $10-15M in potential future money if everything played out perfectly for him in return for the security of doubling his guaranteed money right now.It's a win for the Patriots, but Brady comes out nicely in the deal as well. The narrative that Brady is such a swell guy that just basically donated a boatload of money to the Pats is silly.

 

[cstu]

I don't think NE really cares about FF numbers, but I understand the point you were attempting to make. Didn't Denver just give Manning, at the same age, coming off neck surgery, after not having played the previous year essentially the same amount of garuanteed money for only 3 years? NE gets Brady for the same money AND 2 more years, again anything can happen but it looks like a great deal for NE.

It's a good deal for everyone - the team and Brady. There wasn't a better solution since the team needed to lower the cap number and Brady wasn't going to do it for free. Now they get Brady at a reasonable price (~$14M) for the next 3 years and if his play falls off they should still be able to trade him after 2015 (with a $12M cap hit) since his salaries of $8M and $9M are low even with diminished skills.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Albert Breer points out that it basically turns it into a 5 year $60M contract that is fully guaranteed.It's certainly below market for now, but what are the typical falloffs for QBs when they're 38, 39 and 40? Although, even then, the new tv deal will be in effect and the salary cap could be much higher, making $15M a year not too awful. And I think Brady is the kind of guy that would retire rather than force the issue or be a $15M a year backup. I'm assuming the money isn't guaranteed for retirement. Although with the restructure, I'm not sure if it would still count against the cap regardless.

There are not many QB's who have played well (200 fantasy points) at 38+:Favre at 38, 39, and 40Moon at 38 and 39Flutie and Simms at 39Warner, Tarkenton, Elway, Morton, and Montana at 38- Favre and Moon are the only QB's to reach 250 FP's at 38+.

I don't think NE really cares about FF numbers, but I understand the point you were attempting to make. Didn't Denver just give Manning, at the same age, coming off neck surgery, after not having played the previous year essentially the same amount of garuanteed money for only 3 years? NE gets Brady for the same money AND 2 more years, again anything can happen but it looks like a great deal for NE.

Of course the big difference is that Manning was an unrestricted free agent and Brady was under contract for 2 more years. If Brady went to free agency in 2 years (3 years after Manning did) what would his contract look like? How much would a team give a 38 year old Brady? 2 years $20-25M? That's assuming he hasn't had any major injuries.My guess is that ultimately Brady gave up $10-15M in potential future money if everything played out perfectly for him in return for the security of doubling his guaranteed money right now.It's a win for the Patriots, but Brady comes out nicely in the deal as well. The narrative that Brady is such a swell guy that just basically donated a boatload of money to the Pats is silly.

Cant tell for sure but im willing to bet a 38 year old Brady could get roughly what a 36 1/2 year old Manning coming off neck surgery got.

 

[menobrown]

I'll add this on QB's with regards to age and value. We won't how a 38 year old Brady will look but if a 38 year old Kurt Warner entered FA in this current market instead of retiring I think he'd have no problem getting a team to pay him $20million in guarantees of a 2 year deal. No problem at all.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Albert Breer points out that it basically turns it into a 5 year $60M contract that is fully guaranteed.It's certainly below market for now, but what are the typical falloffs for QBs when they're 38, 39 and 40? Although, even then, the new tv deal will be in effect and the salary cap could be much higher, making $15M a year not too awful. And I think Brady is the kind of guy that would retire rather than force the issue or be a $15M a year backup. I'm assuming the money isn't guaranteed for retirement. Although with the restructure, I'm not sure if it would still count against the cap regardless.

There are not many QB's who have played well (200 fantasy points) at 38+:Favre at 38, 39, and 40Moon at 38 and 39Flutie and Simms at 39Warner, Tarkenton, Elway, Morton, and Montana at 38- Favre and Moon are the only QB's to reach 250 FP's at 38+.

I don't think NE really cares about FF numbers, but I understand the point you were attempting to make. Didn't Denver just give Manning, at the same age, coming off neck surgery, after not having played the previous year essentially the same amount of garuanteed money for only 3 years? NE gets Brady for the same money AND 2 more years, again anything can happen but it looks like a great deal for NE.

Of course the big difference is that Manning was an unrestricted free agent and Brady was under contract for 2 more years. If Brady went to free agency in 2 years (3 years after Manning did) what would his contract look like? How much would a team give a 38 year old Brady? 2 years $20-25M? That's assuming he hasn't had any major injuries.My guess is that ultimately Brady gave up $10-15M in potential future money if everything played out perfectly for him in return for the security of doubling his guaranteed money right now.It's a win for the Patriots, but Brady comes out nicely in the deal as well. The narrative that Brady is such a swell guy that just basically donated a boatload of money to the Pats is silly.

Yes manning was an unrestricted FA, but a FA with serious neck issues who hadn't played the previous year. I think your number for what brady likely would have got is probably a little low but not that far off. I never said Brady is not getting something, he gets the security of having it all garuanteed. Not sure about your "narrative", but it does seem obvious to me that he took a lot less than he could have. IMHO he did it because winning another championship is a lot more important to him right now than money. Him and his wife have more money than they will ever spend. I don't think this makes him a saint, I think he is smart and competitive and is doing what I and many others (not all) would do. He knows he only has a few more years left, why not take a little less and let that lost money be spent on improving the team and his chances at another championship.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Brady will average $22M a year over the next 2 years. His cap number dropped but his actual pay went up over the next 2 years.I'm with Pete Prisco: In 2 years, if Brady is still performing at a high level, the Pats will quietly pay him more money but he'll still keep his reputation as the white knight of the NFL that so generously turned down more money to help the team.

 

[cstu]

Brady will average $22M a year over the next 2 years. His cap number dropped but his actual pay went up over the next 2 years.

I'm with Pete Prisco: In 2 years, if Brady is still performing at a high level, the Pats will quietly pay him more money but he'll still keep his reputation as the white knight of the NFL that so generously turned down more money to help the team.

Why would they do that? He'll have no negotiating power with 3 years left on his deal.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Brady will average $22M a year over the next 2 years. His cap number dropped but his actual pay went up over the next 2 years.I'm with Pete Prisco: In 2 years, if Brady is still performing at a high level, the Pats will quietly pay him more money but he'll still keep his reputation as the white knight of the NFL that so generously turned down more money to help the team.

Yes, he gets a little more over the next couple of years in return for taking less later on. I did not see the Prisco article, but I will state right now that imho Brady will not seek nor will he be given more money 2 years from now. I just don't see that happening....Time will tell.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Brady will average $22M a year over the next 2 years. His cap number dropped but his actual pay went up over the next 2 years.

I'm with Pete Prisco: In 2 years, if Brady is still performing at a high level, the Pats will quietly pay him more money but he'll still keep his reputation as the white knight of the NFL that so generously turned down more money to help the team.

Why would they do that? He'll have no negotiating power with 3 years left on his deal.

Of course he has negotiating power, unless you think the Patriots will have a good replacement for him in 2 years. Brady will be 38 and still married to his supermodel wife. But maybe an extra $10-20M could persuade him not to retire to a life of jetsetting from glamorous home to glamorous home while rogering his gorgeous wife and play for a couple more years.Or maybe he'll go relax on some beach somewhere with his family while the Patriots beg Brian Hoyer to come back and start for them.

You see? Leverage.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

maybe fitz will follow suit and take a pay cut.