"Brady, take off the skirt" (1 Viewer)

[massraider]

Again Brady didn't throw the flag. Players get up screaming for flags all of the time, of course since it's Brady and there are a bunch of Brady haters some people will make a big deal out of this.

The difference is that Brady does it every time a defender gets near him. Other quarterbacks do it when they legitimately feel they got roughed.

You got a stat of that?

I have NFL Sunday Ticket, a pair of functional eyes, and Tom Brady on my dynasty squad, which means I see almost all of his passes.

Man, you must spend a lot of time re-watching every other NFL game, in order to conclude that Brady does it more than other QBs. I mean, like 8 DVR boxes and stuff!!!!I salute you, sir.

 

[Chaka]

Never understood the whole "I've watched every game" crowd...or the "I played high school/college ball" crowd...or the "I had the same injury and it took X weeks to recover" crowd. Is that supposed to lend credibility to the argument? It's not working.

I guess I just don't understand a lot.

 

[massraider]

Never understood the whole "I've watched every game" crowd...or the "I played high school/college ball" crowd...or the "I had the same injury and it took X weeks to recover" crowd. Is that supposed to lend credibility to the argument? It's not working.I guess I just don't understand a lot.

At times it does lend credibilty... so long as the reader allows for it. But you arent forced to listen-to/read anyone or what they say.

What does your second statement have to do with your first?

 

[Chaka]

Never understood the whole "I've watched every game" crowd...or the "I played high school/college ball" crowd...or the "I had the same injury and it took X weeks to recover" crowd. Is that supposed to lend credibility to the argument? It's not working.I guess I just don't understand a lot.

At times it does lend credibilty... so long as the reader allows for it. But you arent forced to listen-to/read anyone or what they say.

I also have problems with the "No one is forcing you to read this" crowd. I understand that but it's hard to try to keep up with a thread that you find potentially interesting without, y'know, reading the posts.In this specific example I had no idea the poster was going to go in that direction until after I read their post.

 

[NumNums]

Hey Brady, put on some pants gimp. What no one has told Brady

since he's got none.

 

[Pnishthm]

I guess I'm the only one who thought it was a good call. Suggs was coming in high and then went low at Brady's knees. He DID make contact, and the only reason it wasn't worse is because Brady was able to hop/slide out of the way. DIRTY hit. Good call.

Nah you're not the only one.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Again Brady didn't throw the flag. Players get up screaming for flags all of the time, of course since it's Brady and there are a bunch of Brady haters some people will make a big deal out of this.

The difference is that Brady does it every time a defender gets near him. Other quarterbacks do it when they legitimately feel they got roughed.

You got a stat of that?

I have NFL Sunday Ticket, a pair of functional eyes, and Tom Brady on my dynasty squad, which means I see almost all of his passes.

Man, you must spend a lot of time re-watching every other NFL game, in order to conclude that Brady does it more than other QBs. I mean, like 8 DVR boxes and stuff!!!!I salute you, sir.

I watch just about every play of Brady's because he's my fantasy quarterback. I also watch lots of other games (3 TVs plus 3 laptops set up with the ticket on sundays, plus recordings for work). The amount I see it happen in the games I'm watching Brady is far higher than the amount in every other game I see.For instance, we all just watched San Diego play Pittsburgh and with two separate quarterbacks in there neither one of them whined for a roughing the passer call a single time. I can't remember the last NE game I watched where Brady never turned to the ref and pleaded for one.If that doesn't mean anything to you, fine by me. I'm just telling you what I see. And I'm not talking like a little bit here, we're talking a huge outlier.

 

[massraider]

For instance, we all just watched San Diego play Pittsburgh and with two separate quarterbacks in there neither one of them whined for a roughing the passer call a single time.

We don't see the QB after every pass. The camera tends to follow the ball.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

For instance, we all just watched San Diego play Pittsburgh and with two separate quarterbacks in there neither one of them whined for a roughing the passer call a single time.

We don't see the QB after every pass. The camera tends to follow the ball.

Nowadays they have this fancy thing called a replay. And when the quarterback gets hit or even pressured, they typically show one.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Never understood the whole "I've watched every game" crowd...or the "I played high school/college ball" crowd...or the "I had the same injury and it took X weeks to recover" crowd. Is that supposed to lend credibility to the argument? It's not working.

I guess I just don't understand a lot.

That one is the funniest to me. "I'm not a professional football player, so let me tell you what happens when a run-of-the-mill schmoe has the same injury without the benefit of world-class trainers and deals with an HMO instead of the medical resources of a billion-dollar football team." Yes, very valuable info. Harrison doesn't like people whining for flags because he drew a lot of them and hurt people with his dirty play. The Warners should send him a Christmas present every year.

Tom Brady does look for flags, but why not? The Patriots are about getting every edge they can (the vast majority legal). Maybe a little whining gets you an extra call that make a difference. It certainly can't hurt. I saw Jerry Rice wave his arms a bit when he didn't get what he wanted. Nobody penalized him for the effort.

 

[az_prof]

Well he was clearly joking with Brady but it's not Brady's fault the ref threw the flag. Now the call was terrible but IMO that was dirty of Suggs to go for his knee.

Actually Brady pleaded to the ref to throw the flag. The ref then shook his head, agreeing with Brady's plea and threw the flag. It almost looked as if Brady asked for it and the ref gave it to him.

Again Brady didn't throw the flag. Players get up screaming for flags all of the time, of course since it's Brady and there are a bunch of Brady haters some people will make a big deal out of this.

The difference is most other players get a dirty look or get ignored. Tomacina gets a flag. Harrison was dead on. He was funny and the negative reaction from Pats fans proves that his criticism cuts close to home or else he would be ignored.

 

[Mr. Black]

I can't believe what this thread has turned into. The hit attempt was dirty as hell. Suggs went for his knees and that play deserved a flag. I do think the NFL tries to hard to baby the QB's but for this play in question I agree with the flag. If I were Brady I would have wanted a flag also, you want every advantage to help your team win period so please stop with the Brady cries for flags crap.

ETA

I just watched the replay 3 more times and like others have said the ref was already going for his flag. Koppen and Brady turned to signal for the flag at the same time and the Ref was already on it.

 

[spider321]

The hit attempt was dirty as hell. Suggs went for his knees and that play deserved a flag.

You either did not watch the game or you watched it with your Patriots foam finger in front of your face.

 

[Mr. Black]

The hit attempt was dirty as hell. Suggs went for his knees and that play deserved a flag.

You either did not watch the game or you watched it with your Patriots foam finger in front of your face.

I watched the game and I'm watching the replay right now.

 

[spider321]

The hit attempt was dirty as hell. Suggs went for his knees and that play deserved a flag.

You either did not watch the game or you watched it with your Patriots foam finger in front of your face.

I watched the game and I'm watching the replay right now.

Move your Pats foam finger to the side so you can see that Brady didn't even break a nail on the play.

 

[Mr. Black]

That's why I said hit attempt. Read the entire post and don't just take from it what you want to take from it. This is silly we all saw the play and half of us will see it one way and the other half the other way. I'm done with this childish discussion. Have a great day.

 

[Pnishthm]

The hit attempt was dirty as hell. Suggs went for his knees and that play deserved a flag.

You either did not watch the game or you watched it with your Patriots foam finger in front of your face.

I watched the game and I'm watching the replay right now.

Move your Pats foam finger to the side so you can see that Brady didn't even break a nail on the play.

Spider, I'm not sure what you saw. Suggs clearly dove right for his knees and Brady was fortunate enough to slide out of the way to barely get grazed. I won't be surprised if Suggs gets fined.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Pats hater here and even i will admit that per the rules there should have been a flag. Clearly a player dove at QBs knees and by the rule that is a penalty. If you want to complain that the NFL protects that QB position too much, you can have that conversation, but your eyes dont lie.

 

[Tanner9919]

Rodney Harrison calls out Brady for complaining to the ref about a late hit. Ray Lewis had similar sentiments concerning the roughing the passer call. Thoughts?

Rodney Harrison,the greatest cheap-shot artist of all time, has something to say about Brady?! oh my.Harrison is a stooge. While Brady might be a crybaby, I'd take anything from Harrison with a grain of salt ...

 

[Uruk-Hai]

As much as I hate the way the NFL coddles its QBs (some more than others, probably), I expected the flag on Suggs' play even though he barely (if at all) touched Brady. What gets me is the hypocrisy. Because if you're gonna flag Suggs for "intent", then how can you flag Ngata earlier for roughing when all he was trying to do was block a pass? He put his hand up as Brady threw and his hand touched Brady's helmet when he missed. Brady jumped back & grabbed his face like he was shot between the eyes when the replay clearly showed that he wasn't hit hard at all, wasn't in a vulnerable position, and moved towrds Ngata as much as Ngata was moving towards him. Ngata was not going for his head, he was simply trying to deflect a pass & Brady happened to move into the arc of his arm. It was incidental contact of the first order.

 

[zed2283]

Pats hater here and even i will admit that per the rules there should have been a flag. Clearly a player dove at QBs knees and by the rule that is a penalty. If you want to complain that the NFL protects that QB position too much, you can have that conversation, but your eyes dont lie.

Exactly. Maybe the rule sucks (like the "completing a catch" rule) but he came in basically untouched and clearly went low at Brady's knees. Absolutely deserved a flag and probably a fine.

 

[Godsbrother]

Pats hater here and even i will admit that per the rules there should have been a flag. Clearly a player dove at QBs knees and by the rule that is a penalty. If you want to complain that the NFL protects that QB position too much, you can have that conversation, but your eyes dont lie.

Exactly. Maybe the rule sucks (like the "completing a catch" rule) but he came in basically untouched and clearly went low at Brady's knees. Absolutely deserved a flag and probably a fine.

I agree though I don't think that Suggs made enough (if any) contact to warrant a flag.

 

[zed2283]

Pats hater here and even i will admit that per the rules there should have been a flag. Clearly a player dove at QBs knees and by the rule that is a penalty. If you want to complain that the NFL protects that QB position too much, you can have that conversation, but your eyes dont lie.

Exactly. Maybe the rule sucks (like the "completing a catch" rule) but he came in basically untouched and clearly went low at Brady's knees. Absolutely deserved a flag and probably a fine.

I agree though I don't think that Suggs made enough (if any) contact to warrant a flag.

That was only because Brady was able to get out of the way. Does that mean it doesn't count as unsportsmanlike conduct?

 

[Two Deep]

Well he was clearly joking with Brady but it's not Brady's fault the ref threw the flag. Now the call was terrible but IMO that was dirty of Suggs to go for his knee.

How can the call be terrible if the player was dirty and went for his knee?

 

[Godsbrother]

Pats hater here and even i will admit that per the rules there should have been a flag. Clearly a player dove at QBs knees and by the rule that is a penalty. If you want to complain that the NFL protects that QB position too much, you can have that conversation, but your eyes dont lie.

Exactly. Maybe the rule sucks (like the "completing a catch" rule) but he came in basically untouched and clearly went low at Brady's knees. Absolutely deserved a flag and probably a fine.

I agree though I don't think that Suggs made enough (if any) contact to warrant a flag.

That was only because Brady was able to get out of the way. Does that mean it doesn't count as unsportsmanlike conduct?

It is also unsportsmanlike conduct to horsecollar a runner. Should a penalty be called if the guy tries to grab a player by the collar but misses?

 

[Wilbur Wood]

The reality is that many football traditionalists are appalled at the extent that the NFL has gone to "protect" its QBs. Way too far in my opinion and the opinion of many (most) analysts as well.

Like it or not, Tom Brady has played a direct role in skewing these rules even closer towards the point where the QBs will be also wearing the red jerseys on Sunday. Because Tom Brady got injured on a play that had a legitimately clean play in football for 80 years last year, the NFL was "forced" to make such play illegal.

Thus, Brady is already (not by his own desire) a central figure in the "hands off the QB" version of the NFL, circa 2009.

While all QBs get the benefit of wimply roughing the QB penalties, Brady does really seem to get the Michael Jordan treatment anytime someone gets close to him.

He's a great HOF QB. But all of the above does fairly make him a legit target of arm chair ridicule in my opinion.

 

[War Eagle]

Harrison's a joke. He constantly spouts stupid comments.

He did it with TO last week and TO BLASTED him on twitter. hilarious! Rodney is a donkey!

 

[zed2283]

Pats hater here and even i will admit that per the rules there should have been a flag. Clearly a player dove at QBs knees and by the rule that is a penalty. If you want to complain that the NFL protects that QB position too much, you can have that conversation, but your eyes dont lie.

Exactly. Maybe the rule sucks (like the "completing a catch" rule) but he came in basically untouched and clearly went low at Brady's knees. Absolutely deserved a flag and probably a fine.

I agree though I don't think that Suggs made enough (if any) contact to warrant a flag.

That was only because Brady was able to get out of the way. Does that mean it doesn't count as unsportsmanlike conduct?

It is also unsportsmanlike conduct to horsecollar a runner. Should a penalty be called if the guy tries to grab a player by the collar but misses?

That's a good point, but I think in this instance you can make the case that Suggs had the intent of causing injury.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

As much as I hate the way the NFL coddles its QBs (some more than others, probably), I expected the flag on Suggs' play even though he barely (if at all) touched Brady. What gets me is the hypocrisy. Because if you're gonna flag Suggs for "intent", then how can you flag Ngata earlier for roughing when all he was trying to do was block a pass? He put his hand up as Brady threw and his hand touched Brady's helmet when he missed. Brady jumped back & grabbed his face like he was shot between the eyes when the replay clearly showed that he wasn't hit hard at all, wasn't in a vulnerable position, and moved towrds Ngata as much as Ngata was moving towards him. Ngata was not going for his head, he was simply trying to deflect a pass & Brady happened to move into the arc of his arm. It was incidental contact of the first order.

Actually all three of the roughing the passers were weak, including the one on the sack of Flacco.

 

[joetrow]

Pats hater here and even i will admit that per the rules there should have been a flag. Clearly a player dove at QBs knees and by the rule that is a penalty. If you want to complain that the NFL protects that QB position too much, you can have that conversation, but your eyes dont lie.

However, I see where the NFL is comming with the protection of QB rules. If Indy loses Manning, NO loses Brees, Pats lose Brady, ect, these teams will most likely have a dud for a season. This means less ticket sales, less tv rating, less jersey sales, and overall less money for the NFL. I think with the NFL shutting down NFL europe they had to protect themselfs because there are less backup QB's with expeirence. I think it really goes to show why QB's make so much money, and why they are protected so much.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Lewis said, "He's a man. They can be hit just like us".

Sorry Ray. That's not even close to what the rules say.

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

You cannot TOUCH the knees of Tom Brady / Drew Brees / Peyton Manning. And maybe Carson Palmer if you're the Steelers. Just accept that.

J

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Fedora wearing pansy.

Who? Ray-ray?

Freshman at Miami

 

[Workhorse]

The reality is that many football traditionalists are appalled at the extent that the NFL has gone to "protect" its QBs. Way too far in my opinion and the opinion of many (most) analysts as well.Like it or not, Tom Brady has played a direct role in skewing these rules even closer towards the point where the QBs will be also wearing the red jerseys on Sunday. Because Tom Brady got injured on a play that had a legitimately clean play in football for 80 years last year, the NFL was "forced" to make such play illegal.Thus, Brady is already (not by his own desire) a central figure in the "hands off the QB" version of the NFL, circa 2009.While all QBs get the benefit of wimply roughing the QB penalties, Brady does really seem to get the Michael Jordan treatment anytime someone gets close to him.He's a great HOF QB. But all of the above does fairly make him a legit target of arm chair ridicule in my opinion.

Or, he throws the ball more often than most QBs and has taken a lot more hits than most QBs in the NFL. Now that the rules are geared towards protecting QBs, he draws a disproportionate number of flags simply by the sheer number of times he drops back to pass. It's more the law of averages type of thing.

 

[The Comedian]

Brady on WEEI right now, they played the clip for him. His response:

"Well, Rodney's the most fined player in the history of the NFL, so I can understand if he's a little sensitive about cheap shots on quarterbacks."

He then went on to say that he didn't necessarily agree with the call against Scott, and then emphasized that Rodney is "his brother" and they're still friends, not a big deal, etc.

 

[conan2]

Pats hater here and even i will admit that per the rules there should have been a flag. Clearly a player dove at QBs knees and by the rule that is a penalty. If you want to complain that the NFL protects that QB position too much, you can have that conversation, but your eyes dont lie.

Good call, bad rule.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Lost in all of this is yet another example of Ravens crying like little girls when they lose instead of standing up like men and saying we got beat. In 2007 Bart Scott and the other nancies cried like ####### because an african american referee called him "boy". Its a shame really, cuz it undermines the credibility and tough guy cred of an otherwise dominating defense. Man up ray ray. Stop copping plea bargains and blaming others for your failures. You lost.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Loved it. In line with my thoughts that they are ####ifying the sport. As a former defensive player, it makes me insane when they call that ####.

PS - For those saying he dove at Brady's knees, watch it again. He was pushed.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Harrison's a joke. He constantly spouts stupid comments.

He did it with TO last week and TO BLASTED him on twitter. hilarious! Rodney is a donkey!

Oooooooooo, that'll show him!!!!!!one

 

[Night Hawks]

Haven't really read the entire thread so not aware of the common sentiment. But Brady is just using the crappy rules to his advantage. What they have to do is change the dumb ticky-tacky rules. I hate the Patriots, but it's not his fault the rules coddle the QB

 

[zed2283]

Loved it. In line with my thoughts that they are ####ifying the sport. As a former defensive player, it makes me insane when they call that ####.PS - For those saying he dove at Brady's knees, watch it again. He was pushed.

The clip that they showed on the highlights doesn't show the whole picture. From what I remember watching the game, Suggs came in basically untouched and then went low, seemlingly on purpose. I'll try to find a longer clip of it.

 

[perry147]

The NFL coddles the QB way to much because they are the face of the league, I hate it.

This is football and players are going to get hit and sadly hurt sometimes, but that is the game.

It is an insult to the league for games to be decided by these penalties

Why even field a great defense anymore? Teams in the NFL are becoming the arena league because of these rules.

 

[The Comedian]

Why even field a great defense anymore? Teams in the NFL are becoming the arena league because of these rules.

:(

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

It was no doubt a bad call. But I have 2 observations:1) EVERY QB and the vast majority of players for that matter will try to get away with a call whenever possible. Tom Brady's no worse than most at acting or whining for flags.2) Rodney's trying too hard now. It's like he (or his producers) decided that his role in SNF is to make some kind of controversial statement. It's almost annoying at this point.

I think the flag was thrown for the INTENT of the hit, not the result. I think it was clear that he was TRYING to take out his knees...he just didn't get there.Now...I'm just not sure if intent is a penalty.

 

[Steady Mooobin]

I miss the two steps rule.

QB's today don't even have to worry about getting lambasted.

How many of those hits Aikman took would be roughing the passer today?

Imagine the stats and rings if Montana, Elway, or Marino didn't have to ever worry about getting touched?

 

[Hooper31]

Brady on WEEI right now, they played the clip for him. His response: "Well, Rodney's the most fined player in the history of the NFL, so I can understand if he's a little sensitive about cheap shots on quarterbacks."He then went on to say that he didn't necessarily agree with the call against Scott, and then emphasized that Rodney is "his brother" and they're still friends, not a big deal, etc.

Rational thinking is not necessary in this thread. Let the overly emotional have their foot stomping burst of outrage. If they don't vent those emotions here it could turn into road rage or something ugly in very your neighborhood.

 

[parrot]

Like it or not, Tom Brady has played a direct role in skewing these rules even closer towards the point where the QBs will be also wearing the red jerseys on Sunday. Because Tom Brady got injured on a play that had a legitimately clean play in football for 80 years last year, the NFL was "forced" to make such play illegal.

What rule change came about as a result of Brady's injury?

 

[Hooper31]

I miss the two steps rule.QB's today don't even have to worry about getting lambasted. How many of those hits Aikman took would be roughing the passer today?Imagine the stats and rings if Montana, Elway, or Marino didn't have to ever worry about getting touched?

Aikman? Frankly, I think he had it easy compared to the guys in the 50s and 60s. Watching Meridith, Unitis, and Blanda get their helmets ripped off makes me cringe.

 

[perry147]

Like it or not, Tom Brady has played a direct role in skewing these rules even closer towards the point where the QBs will be also wearing the red jerseys on Sunday. Because Tom Brady got injured on a play that had a legitimately clean play in football for 80 years last year, the NFL was "forced" to make such play illegal.

What rule change came about as a result of Brady's injury?

Link

The rule does not have an official name, but most folks in the NFL are calling it the "Brady Rule."

If you hit a quarterback below the waist, no matter how innocently or lightly, it's a 15-yard penalty. And it's not setting well with some of those who are being victimized by it.

 

[parrot]

Like it or not, Tom Brady has played a direct role in skewing these rules even closer towards the point where the QBs will be also wearing the red jerseys on Sunday. Because Tom Brady got injured on a play that had a legitimately clean play in football for 80 years last year, the NFL was "forced" to make such play illegal.

What rule change came about as a result of Brady's injury?

Link

The rule does not have an official name, but most folks in the NFL are calling it the "Brady Rule."

If you hit a quarterback below the waist, no matter how innocently or lightly, it's a 15-yard penalty. And it's not setting well with some of those who are being victimized by it.

So basically this goes back to the Ravens' whining about the one play yesterday? IMO Suggs clearly went at his kness, and that's against the rules that were in place for some time before Brady was ever injured.