"Brady, take off the skirt" (1 Viewer)

[treat88]

Personally, I have never heard an NFL player come across like such a female.

"The best team doesn't always win," said Kordell Stewart after losing the AFC Championship Game.

Fair enough. I have no problem with Kordell and Brady being considered in the same category in terms of the trait in question.Obviously joking, but it is beyond me how even the most ardent Pats fan can fail to understand why their QB is perceived as a whiner of unmatched proportion.Brady is an amazing talented athlete. He just expects the refs protection in a way few other athletes in the game do.If that is a comment on his toughness so be it. His quote even in jest comes across as lacking any of the old school mentality I respect.He's a guy, team affiliation aside, that I'd really like to respect, his personae on the field makes that really hard for me to do.

 

[Adebisi]

Personally, I have never heard an NFL player come across like such a female.

"The best team doesn't always win," said Kordell Stewart after losing the AFC Championship Game.

Fair enough. I have no problem with Kordell and Brady being considered in the same category in terms of the trait in question.Obviously joking, but it is beyond me how even the most ardent Pats fan can fail to understand why their QB is perceived as a whiner of unmatched proportion.Brady is an amazing talented athlete. He just expects the refs protection in a way few other athletes in the game do.If that is a comment on his toughness so be it. His quote even in jest comes across as lacking any of the old school mentality I respect.He's a guy, team affiliation aside, that I'd really like to respect, his personae on the field makes that really hard for me to do.

I guess I've learned that the perceptions of people on this board don't always match the perceptions of the players in the NFL, the media, or even the fans in general. And very frequently, they don't match reality. The fact of the matter is that Brady is widely regarded as one of the toughest quarterbacks in the league. Yes, Brady looks for a flag on occasion - just like every other quarterback who gets hit late, just like every WR who wants an interference call on an incomplete pass, and just like every coach who sees something the refs missed. This particular officiating crew is widely known to be a crew that calls everything extremely tight. If Brady knows he can get a flag and doesn't try for one, he simply would not be doing everything he can to win the game. It's all part of the game, and whether you want to believe it or not, Brady really doesn't do it any more often than most other quarterbacks in the league. If you don't respect him because he looks to the refs for a flag on occasion, that really says more about you and your black-and-gold shaded glasses than it does about Brady.

 

[switz]

I guess I've learned that the perceptions of people on this board don't always match the perceptions of the players in the NFL, the media, or even the fans in general. And very frequently, they don't match reality.

Just not in reference to what you're suggesting.I don't wear black and gold glasses, and to me, Brady is the whiniest NFL QB... by far.

 

[Adebisi]

I guess I've learned that the perceptions of people on this board don't always match the perceptions of the players in the NFL, the media, or even the fans in general. And very frequently, they don't match reality.

Just not in reference to what you're suggesting.I don't wear black and gold glasses, and to me, Brady is the whiniest NFL QB... by far.

Fair enough. This seems like the sort of thing that no one will change his mind on anyway, so I'm going to leave it alone.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

So what does it mean that none of the Ravens were fined for being critical of this referring crew? And they were a lot more critical than just this one bad call.

here is one opinion:

Interesting that neither Ravens LB Ray Lewis nor FS Ed Reed will be fined by the NFL for ripping the officials after their loss at the Patriots. Rest assured that means the officiating crew has been told the roughing-the-passer flags thrown to protect Tom Brady — both of which extended TD drives — were bogus.

I doubt the NFL will go that far and expect them to try to explain away why these calls were correct.

 

[zed2283]

So what does it mean that none of the Ravens were fined for being critical of this referring crew? And they were a lot more critical than just this one bad call.

here is one opinion:

Interesting that neither Ravens LB Ray Lewis nor FS Ed Reed will be fined by the NFL for ripping the officials after their loss at the Patriots. Rest assured that means the officiating crew has been told the roughing-the-passer flags thrown to protect Tom Brady — both of which extended TD drives — were bogus.

I doubt the NFL will go that far and expect them to try to explain away why these calls were correct.

Will be very interesting to see what Mike Perrera (sp) has to say today on Total Access. No doubt they will cover those calls.

 

[Instinctive]

I guess I've learned that the perceptions of people on this board don't always match the perceptions of the players in the NFL, the media, or even the fans in general. And very frequently, they don't match reality.

Just not in reference to what you're suggesting.I don't wear black and gold glasses, and to me, Brady is the whiniest NFL QB... by far.

Chalk up another whiner vote.Have you ever seen Peyton Manning jump over a guy, turn to the ref, and whine for a flag while pointing? Or run over and beg?Nope.Sometimes guys need to just let the refs alone and stop whining. Especially in football, where penalties are much different than in, for example, the NBA.

 

[Chaka]

I guess I've learned that the perceptions of people on this board don't always match the perceptions of the players in the NFL, the media, or even the fans in general. And very frequently, they don't match reality.

Just not in reference to what you're suggesting.I don't wear black and gold glasses, and to me, Brady is the whiniest NFL QB... by far.

Chalk up another whiner vote.Have you ever seen Peyton Manning jump over a guy, turn to the ref, and whine for a flag while pointing? Or run over and beg?Nope.Sometimes guys need to just let the refs alone and stop whining. Especially in football, where penalties are much different than in, for example, the NBA.

Manning rarely gets hit but he frequently complains about a lack of calls for his WRs.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Will be very interesting to see what Mike Perrera (sp) has to say today on Total Access. No doubt they will cover those calls.

I only heard a brief excerpt on the radio this morning. Sounds like (from what I heard) that the NFL agreed that they were borderline calls at best, but that the NFL would always back the officials if they erred on the side of caution. Is that what was said?

 

[zed2283]

Will be very interesting to see what Mike Perrera (sp) has to say today on Total Access. No doubt they will cover those calls.

I only heard a brief excerpt on the radio this morning. Sounds like (from what I heard) that the NFL agreed that they were borderline calls at best, but that the NFL would always back the officials if they erred on the side of caution. Is that what was said?

Yes, that's pretty much what he said. He also cited the part of the rule that says if there is any doubt, the referee should throw the flag.

 

[GregR_2]

... You can debate the definition of forcible until the cows come home (presuming you lost your cows) but the fact is that Suggs dove/tripped (whatever) into Brady's knees and made contact. That is all that is required to throw the flag.

If not for a last minute dodge by Brady we would all be talking about one of the worst cheap shots of all time.

It was the correct call.

[/brokenrecord]

Mike Pereira would disagree with you that contact with the knee is all that is required to throw the flag. According to him it takes the ref determining it was a forcible hit for it to be a penalty

 

[Native]

Guys like this guy would never beg a ref for a call of that nature. Whiner or not, Brady is clearly not borne of the old-school, tough guy NFL attitude.

 

[Chaka]

... You can debate the definition of forcible until the cows come home (presuming you lost your cows) but the fact is that Suggs dove/tripped (whatever) into Brady's knees and made contact. That is all that is required to throw the flag.

If not for a last minute dodge by Brady we would all be talking about one of the worst cheap shots of all time.

It was the correct call.

[/brokenrecord]

Mike Pereira would disagree with you that contact with the knee is all that is required to throw the flag. According to him it takes the ref determining it was a forcible hit for it to be a penalty

And when in doubt to throw the flag.

 

[Chaka]

The subjective word is still forcible. That won't change.

 

[GregR_2]

Will be very interesting to see what Mike Perrera (sp) has to say today on Total Access. No doubt they will cover those calls.

I only heard a brief excerpt on the radio this morning. Sounds like (from what I heard) that the NFL agreed that they were borderline calls at best, but that the NFL would always back the officials if they erred on the side of caution. Is that what was said?

Yes, that's pretty much what he said. He also cited the part of the rule that says if there is any doubt, the referee should throw the flag.

Here was a part that had me . First Eisen asks him if the Suggs hit was a penalty. And as you guys mention, his answer amounts to, "The ref needs to rule if it is a forcible hit, the rule says to call it a penalty if he's not sure, and we are going to support our refs in their judgment call."Then Rich brings up whether the call was made because it was Tom Brady, and that Jamarcus Russell or Shaun Hill wouldn't have gotten such a call. Pereira's response amounts to such criticism being "Ludicrous... Nobody is going to officiate that way because it would affect their chances to get into the playoffs or the Super Bowl. They are either going to be right or wrong and they are going to officiate the play without regard for who the player is... there were probably 3 or 4 more hits in the course of the weekend that should have been called. It's an area of judgment which is very hard to define that and to keep it consistent about that..."The two statements are at odds. How can a roughing the passer call hurt a ref's chances of working a Super Bowl if he's just said that he's going to support the refs in whatever their judgment was on such a play? If their call is always supported, it can't hurt them.For it to hurt their chances the NFL would have to review it critically and say it was right or wrong, and they aren't doing that. One could argue, "well, they do review those calls and grade officials on it, but they just won't tell the public if it was right or wrong." If so, why would this type of play be different than any other type of play? The whole idea behind the Official Review segment is to answer the public's questions as to whether a call is the right one or not, and why.It makes no sense to me that they would reveal that information for any other call including other judgment calls like pass interference, but they won't reveal it for roughing the passer.

 

[Chaka]

Will be very interesting to see what Mike Perrera (sp) has to say today on Total Access. No doubt they will cover those calls.

I only heard a brief excerpt on the radio this morning. Sounds like (from what I heard) that the NFL agreed that they were borderline calls at best, but that the NFL would always back the officials if they erred on the side of caution. Is that what was said?

Yes, that's pretty much what he said. He also cited the part of the rule that says if there is any doubt, the referee should throw the flag.

Here was a part that had me . First Eisen asks him if the Suggs hit was a penalty. And as you guys mention, his answer amounts to, "The ref needs to rule if it is a forcible hit, the rule says to call it a penalty if he's not sure, and we are going to support our refs in their judgment call."Then Rich brings up whether the call was made because it was Tom Brady, and that Jamarcus Russell or Shaun Hill wouldn't have gotten such a call. Pereira's response amounts to such criticism being "Ludicrous... Nobody is going to officiate that way because it would affect their chances to get into the playoffs or the Super Bowl. They are either going to be right or wrong and they are going to officiate the play without regard for who the player is... there were probably 3 or 4 more hits in the course of the weekend that should have been called. It's an area of judgment which is very hard to define that and to keep it consistent about that..."The two statements are at odds. How can a roughing the passer call hurt a ref's chances of working a Super Bowl if he's just said that he's going to support the refs in whatever their judgment was on such a play? If their call is always supported, it can't hurt them.For it to hurt their chances the NFL would have to review it critically and say it was right or wrong, and they aren't doing that. One could argue, "well, they do review those calls and grade officials on it, but they just won't tell the public if it was right or wrong." If so, why would this type of play be different than any other type of play? The whole idea behind the Official Review segment is to answer the public's questions as to whether a call is the right one or not, and why.It makes no sense to me that they would reveal that information for any other call including other judgment calls like pass interference, but they won't reveal it for roughing the passer.

It is an interesting question but couldn't he have been referring to hurting the team in questions chances of making the playoffs or Super Bowl?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Am I correct in that ONLY Patriots fans really think it was a legitimate flag? And that everyone else realizes it was a joke of a penalty?

Seems that way.

Nope. I dislike the Patriots quite a bit, but thought it was the right call. However, the other call on the Ravens for roughing Brady earlier in the game was a freaking joke (and was HUGE, as it happened after the Patriots failed to convert a 3rd and long...the bogus penalty gave the Patriots a first down on a drive they eventually scored a TD on, taking a 10-7 lead).

 

[Adebisi]

Have you ever seen Peyton Manning jump over a guy, turn to the ref, and whine for a flag while pointing? Or run over and beg?Nope.

Is this a serious post?

 

[Adebisi]

Whiner or not, Brady is clearly not borne of the old-school, tough guy NFL attitude.

 

[Chaka]

Whiner or not, Brady is clearly not borne of the old-school, tough guy NFL attitude.

I too frown upon Brady's desire to walk without severe pain after he retires.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Am I correct in that ONLY Patriots fans really think it was a legitimate flag? And that everyone else realizes it was a joke of a penalty?

Seems that way.

Nope. I dislike the Patriots quite a bit, but thought it was the right call. However, the other call on the Ravens for roughing Brady earlier in the game was a freaking joke (and was HUGE, as it happened after the Patriots failed to convert a 3rd and long...the bogus penalty gave the Patriots a first down on a drive they eventually scored a TD on, taking a 10-7 lead).

That was the one on Ngata I mentioned earlier in the thread. Most of the national media is all over the Suggs call, but I can almost understand that one (even though I think that one's hilarious too). But notice how the highlights on Ngata's has been whittled down to just his hand hitting Brady's helmet when it's obvious - if you watch the entire play - that he was trying to block ther pass & that Brady stepped into him as much as he stepped into Brady. On top of that, Brady acted as if he were shot by a bazooka (not that I blame him) when he barely got hit.

 

[treat88]

Whiner or not, Brady is clearly not borne of the old-school, tough guy NFL attitude.

I too frown upon Brady's desire to walk without severe pain after he retires.

Getting tapped on the helmet contributes to that how again?

 

[Chaka]

Whiner or not, Brady is clearly not borne of the old-school, tough guy NFL attitude.

:(

I too frown upon Brady's desire to walk without severe pain after he retires.

Getting tapped on the helmet contributes to that how again?

The same way YA Tittle got hit with a falling 16 ton weight after every pass attempt contributed to him being an old-school, tough guy.

 

[The Gray Hood]

I guess I've learned that the perceptions of people on this board don't always match the perceptions of the players in the NFL, the media, or even the fans in general. And very frequently, they don't match reality.

Just not in reference to what you're suggesting.I don't wear black and gold glasses, and to me, Brady is the whiniest NFL QB... by far.

aren't you an indy fan.......?nice to know some people don't wear the homer goggles....

 

[The Gray Hood]

ok, so I just skimmed a couple posts in here --- is this thread just basically more whining ad nauseum about the roughing the passer calls against brady?

do people start threads when they get called against the pats, or is this just more of the everpresent pats jealousy for winning too much?

I think you people have some rikki lake show emotional problems ---- I don't hate other teams that win a lot.

 

[treat88]

The same way YA Tittle got hit with a falling 16 ton weight after every pass attempt contributed to him being an old-school, tough guy.

Not so much.

It's not really a matter of him being an old-school tough guy. Brady's demonstrated physical toughness and grittiness repetitively. That's not in question.

It's the Pavlovian reaction to contact he demonstrates like no other player in the game. The slightest contact and he immediately seeks out the ref both visually and verbally. Like no other QB or player that I have seen. Ever.

His actions on the field are the diametric opposite of the way any of those "old-school" tough guys would react.

I've been accused of wearing black and gold shades about him, but I'll be damned if I see any other player acting like Brady does as often as he does it.

I've got nothing but respect for several rival teams QB's, Flacco, Manning, Palmer. They are great opponents and I can respect them. Despite being a tough opponent, I can't respect Brady.

He is Goddell's poster boy for the ruination of the game.

I know Pats fans will disagree and claim it is all QB's that act like this, but to turn the tables that sounds like blue and silver shades to me.

Brady stands alone in the degree he expects the refs to protect him.

 

[Chaka]

The same way YA Tittle got hit with a falling 16 ton weight after every pass attempt contributed to him being an old-school, tough guy.

Not so much.

It's not really a matter of him being an old-school tough guy. Brady's demonstrated physical toughness and grittiness repetitively. That's not in question.

It's the Pavlovian reaction to contact he demonstrates like no other player in the game. The slightest contact and he immediately seeks out the ref both visually and verbally. Like no other QB or player that I have seen. Ever.

His actions on the field are the diametric opposite of the way any of those "old-school" tough guys would react.

I've been accused of wearing black and gold shades about him, but I'll be damned if I see any other player acting like Brady does as often as he does it.

I've got nothing but respect for several rival teams QB's, Flacco, Manning, Palmer. They are great opponents and I can respect them. Despite being a tough opponent, I can't respect Brady.

He is Goddell's poster boy for the ruination of the game.

I know Pats fans will disagree and claim it is all QB's that act like this, but to turn the tables that sounds like blue and silver shades to me.

Brady stands alone in the degree he expects the refs to protect him.

I disagree with your assessment of Brady but acknowledge I could be wrong (I hate the Pats but have not personally noted Brady for seeking inordinate help from the refs, perhaps because WRs corner the market in that behavior to such a degree it makes Brady seem like a minor offender by comparison). But you seem to associate some additional virtue to a willingness to get pummeled repeatedly which is seems to be a silly notion to me. I like big (clean) hits as much as the next fan but personally I think having the top players in the game get knocked out for extended periods diminishes the product. And I bet you do too, or are you planning on watching the UFL like you do the NFL? If so you are in a definite minority.

So long as it is supported by their play on the field, as it is with Brady, having a desire to remain healthy benefits the game. Saying that it is contributing to the ruination of the game is pure hyperbole.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

The same way YA Tittle got hit with a falling 16 ton weight after every pass attempt contributed to him being an old-school, tough guy.

Not so much.

It's not really a matter of him being an old-school tough guy. Brady's demonstrated physical toughness and grittiness repetitively. That's not in question.

It's the Pavlovian reaction to contact he demonstrates like no other player in the game. The slightest contact and he immediately seeks out the ref both visually and verbally. Like no other QB or player that I have seen. Ever.

His actions on the field are the diametric opposite of the way any of those "old-school" tough guys would react.

I've been accused of wearing black and gold shades about him, but I'll be damned if I see any other player acting like Brady does as often as he does it.

I've got nothing but respect for several rival teams QB's, Flacco, Manning, Palmer. They are great opponents and I can respect them. Despite being a tough opponent, I can't respect Brady.

He is Goddell's poster boy for the ruination of the game.

I know Pats fans will disagree and claim it is all QB's that act like this, but to turn the tables that sounds like blue and silver shades to me.

Brady stands alone in the degree he expects the refs to protect him.

Such nonsense

You and the vast majority of the other whiney haters like you, dislike Brady because of jealousy and his propensity for peeing in your cheerios. Unlike the rival QBs you listed, Brady has actually gone in to Pittsburgh and crushed steeler fan SB dreams on more than one occasion. Manning whines as much if not more than any qb in the league (try a google search sometime) but since he is so accomadating to opponents in the playoffs, many fans accordingly tend not to hold nearly as much animosity toward him. You hate TB and NE because they have beaten your team like a drum in the games that have mattered to you the most. Get over it..........

 

[Native]

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/neweng...m-brady-qa-104/

Q: Are you sensitive to defenders’ cries that quarterbacks get too many calls?

TB: Certainly not. No way (smiling). Are you kidding me? They’ve got to find ways…We’re holding the ball, we’re unprotected, just sitting there defenseless, so they’ve got to stay away from me. They deserve to get flagged (smiling).

Q: You pointed at your knee after one play. You seem to know the rule well. Are you going to encourage officials to make those calls?

TB: Of course. They can’t go low. We learned that lesson a few years ago. They threw the flag. They threw a couple flags on our defense too, so it goes both ways out there.

He's simply the poster boy for Goodell's ruination of the game.Personally, I have never heard an NFL player come across like such a female.

That is a pretty weak comment. "We’re holding the ball, we’re unprotected, just sitting there defenseless, so they’ve got to stay away from me. They deserve to get flagged (smiling)."

:barf:

 

[Chaka]

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/neweng...m-brady-qa-104/

Q: Are you sensitive to defenders' cries that quarterbacks get too many calls?

TB: Certainly not. No way (smiling). Are you kidding me? They've got to find ways…We're holding the ball, we're unprotected, just sitting there defenseless, so they've got to stay away from me. They deserve to get flagged (smiling).

Q: You pointed at your knee after one play. You seem to know the rule well. Are you going to encourage officials to make those calls?

TB: Of course. They can't go low. We learned that lesson a few years ago. They threw the flag. They threw a couple flags on our defense too, so it goes both ways out there.

He's simply the poster boy for Goodell's ruination of the game.Personally, I have never heard an NFL player come across like such a female.

That is a pretty weak comment. "We're holding the ball, we're unprotected, just sitting there defenseless, so they've got to stay away from me. They deserve to get flagged (smiling)."

:barf:

The QBs attention is focused on potential blitzes, receivers getting into the pattern, secondary coverages and finally what is happening in the pocket.I know some people here have stood in the pocket before, it isn't easy to pay attention to all those things. So yeah QBs are pretty much sitting their defenseless.

It is the same reason chop blocks are illegal, when a defensive lineman is engaged he cannot see the chop coming to disengage and do something about it.

 

[treat88]

"I want the penalty called. I want 15 yards. I don't care if they hit me or not. That's an advantage for our offense. You just want to make sure the refs . . . I go hug the refs before the game, and ask about his kids and stuff like that. I'm trying to get him on our side." Tom Brady

I understand this sentiment is born of competitiveness, it just isn't a way I can respect the game being played. Sorry.By ruination of the game, I mean putting rules in place that not only reasonably protect the QB, but putting rules in place that make the defender tentative to hit the QB at all.Brady not wanting to get pummeled into poor health is fine. Brady being conditioned to expect the ref to throw a flag over any and all contact no matter how incidental isn't.I understand most New England fans will have dissenting opinions. That's cool. Please, though, don't chalk my opinion up to being jealous of your franchises success, I am a Steelers fan after all.I've said my peace on the matter and fully assume I will get trashed mightily by the NE faithful.

 

[spider321]

I don't like that the qb protection rules seem to only apply to Tom Brady.

If the NFL is going to have the sissy rules, enforce them for ALL qb's, not just the pretty boy.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

"I want the penalty called. I want 15 yards. I don't care if they hit me or not. That's an advantage for our offense. You just want to make sure the refs . . . I go hug the refs before the game, and ask about his kids and stuff like that. I'm trying to get him on our side." Tom Brady

I understand this sentiment is born of competitiveness, it just isn't a way I can respect the game being played. Sorry.By ruination of the game, I mean putting rules in place that not only reasonably protect the QB, but putting rules in place that make the defender tentative to hit the QB at all.Brady not wanting to get pummeled into poor health is fine. Brady being conditioned to expect the ref to throw a flag over any and all contact no matter how incidental isn't.I understand most New England fans will have dissenting opinions. That's cool. Please, though, don't chalk my opinion up to being jealous of your franchises success, I am a Steelers fan after all.I've said my peace on the matter and fully assume I will get trashed mightily by the NE faithful.

Again, your main beef is Brady repeatedly beating your team in its biggest games and you don't like it, It's understandable, but you need to stop whining and get over it.

 

[The Gray Hood]

I don't like that the qb protection rules seem to only apply to Tom Brady.If the NFL is going to have the sissy rules, enforce them for ALL qb's, not just the "pretty boy".

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

I wish the special qb rules did not exist.I especially don't like that the rules seem to only apply to Tom Brady.If the NFL is going to have the sissy rules, enforce them for ALL qb's, not just the "pretty boy".

You are a hater or just have no idea what you are talking about (maybe both). you need look no further than NE v Buf, first game of the year when Wilfork made a text book tackle of Edwards for what should have been a safety. There was no cheap shot (ala Suggs) dive at the knees and incredibly it was called ruffing the passer, even the announcers were baffled. However, I don't seem to recall any long threads or polls on FBG about the absurdity of the call. The reason for that isn't because the call wasn't every bit as questionable as the Suggs hit. The reason is Whiney Steeler, Indy, Charger etc fans aren't jealous of Trent Edwards and the success of the Bufalo Bills, but they are very jealous of TB and NEs success. We get it........

 

[The Gray Hood]

also, you have to realize that the idiot trolls probably aren't going to waste time fishing for bills fans, as there are probably, like, 2 of them on here.

 

[spider321]

...you need look no further than NE v Buf, first game of the year when Wilfork made a text book tackle of Edwards for what should have been a safety.

If this is true, then I agree, it should have been called a safety....and like I said before, I'm opposed to the sissy QB rules altogether.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

...you need look no further than NE v Buf, first game of the year when Wilfork made a text book tackle of Edwards for what should have been a safety.

If this is true, then I agree, it should have been called a safety....and like I said before, I'm opposed to the sissy QB rules altogether.

I agree that there are some ridiculous calls being made; where I seem to differ with some is the whole diving at qbs knees type calls. I think qbs are especially vulnerable and if defensive players are free to dive at the knees of qbs (as they are in the act of or just after they have thrown the ball), then a lot of good gbs are going to get knocked out for long periods of times. I have and will continue to say the same about Manning, Brady, Rivers whoever. Yes, I want to see qbs get crushed and have the snott knocked out of them; however, I don't want to see defenders diving at their knees and knocking them out for the year. Some of the hands to the face calls are silly and I am all for getting rid of those, but diving at knees has the potential to cripple and is a heck of a lot different than a slap in the head or face.

 

[Chaka]

NE_Rev and Gray Hood aren't helping things by name calling.

You had a nice run and look to still be in the mix but as the saying goes, try to act like you've been there.

 

[Chaka]

"I want the penalty called. I want 15 yards. I don't care if they hit me or not. That's an advantage for our offense. You just want to make sure the refs . . . I go hug the refs before the game, and ask about his kids and stuff like that. I'm trying to get him on our side." Tom Brady

I understand this sentiment is born of competitiveness, it just isn't a way I can respect the game being played. Sorry.By ruination of the game, I mean putting rules in place that not only reasonably protect the QB, but putting rules in place that make the defender tentative to hit the QB at all.Brady not wanting to get pummeled into poor health is fine. Brady being conditioned to expect the ref to throw a flag over any and all contact no matter how incidental isn't.I understand most New England fans will have dissenting opinions. That's cool. Please, though, don't chalk my opinion up to being jealous of your franchises success, I am a Steelers fan after all.I've said my peace on the matter and fully assume I will get trashed mightily by the NE faithful.

Let me be quite clear on this point: I do not like the Patriots. I seldom, if ever, discuss my team affiliations here but I rank New England near the top of teams I dislike.Brady isn't conditioned to expect anything, he may be trying to condition refs but again (and I don't know how many times this point needs to be made) it does not appear to be out of line with what other players try to do, despite your perception. I watch lots of games too, like all of you, and Brady does not stand out.Whether or not he gets more calls is up for debate, and would actually make an interesting article for the FBG to tackle. But even if he does, it is not because he asks for more calls and any disparity should fall directly on the refs not on Brady. If Peyton Manning (or any other QB worth his salt) thought he would get more calls from complaining more he would complain on every single snap. On a side note if you had asked me before this thread who complains to the refs more I would have said Manning without question (and I really like Manning too).As far as rules changes, you can't protect the QB more without altering the way defenders play but this works at every position. DBs push receivers on the sidelines while making catches far more now because of the rule changes. At the same time DBs can't go Chuck Cecil on helpless WRs. Offensive linemen can't chop block because of rules changes. Defensive lineman can't use the Deacon Jones head slap on o-linemen. The list goes on. I see no diminishing of the intensity that players (offensive or defensive) are bringing to the table.To be perfectly honest the rate that players have gotten bigger, faster and stronger has outstripped our ability to protect them with improved technology (or due to the lack of willingness by players to adopt new technologies like bigger helmets due to petty things like aesthetics). So perhaps some of these rules changes will help protect players from themselves a little bit.Ray Lewis should stop complaining so much and help his team make more legal plays that help them win games. From my perspective he is the whiner in this situation. And he also is getting definable preferential treatment by not being fined for his comments. Even if the league agrees with him they still should have brought the fine hammer down for questioning the officiating, which is one of the most egregious sins a player or coach can commit in the eyes of the league.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Ngata was fined for his roughing penalty. Suggs says there was no fine on his (I don't know why he'd lie but I've only seen his denial as yet & haven't seen anything from the NFL). And, as has been pointed out, none of the Ravens were fined for their postgame comments.

What does this tell us about the nature of these fouls? I'm having a hard time figuring out just where the officials and/or the NFL draw the line on the intent/actual-damages thing. It doesn't appear that the NFL & the officials see eye-to-eye in applying these rules. To me, the NFL gave tacit approval to the Ravens' beef by not fining any of them - Ray's screed was about as harsh as you see these days & I'd have bet my house he'd have been fined. I also thought Ngata's play was about as incidental as it gets, with no apparent intent to harm or even touch Brady. I expected Suggs' flag, even though I think the rule in that case was crap. So, just about the exact opposite happened in every case of what I thought would/should.

As for the "preferential treatment" slap-fight that's dominated this thread (much less interesting to me than discussing the rules/fouls themselves), of course certain stars get different treatment than other players. It's been that way forever. I've read stories about Ted Williams where some umps wouldn't call a strike if Ted didn't swing at a pitch (Tony Gwynn & Pete Rose, too). Mike Jordan & Larry Bird got away with more stuff than other NBA players. Go play Duke in basketball on their home court & see jusy how much better you have to be to win. So, the fact that Brady (& whoever) else gets a positive result lobbying for calls doesn't surprise me (didn't say I liked it) - I can tell you with 100% certainty that I'd do the same thing if it worked & if Joe Flacco does it successfully too, well God bless him and "Go Ravens".

 

[Franknbeans]

The same way YA Tittle got hit with a falling 16 ton weight after every pass attempt contributed to him being an old-school, tough guy.

Not so much.

It's not really a matter of him being an old-school tough guy. Brady's demonstrated physical toughness and grittiness repetitively. That's not in question.

It's the Pavlovian reaction to contact he demonstrates like no other player in the game. The slightest contact and he immediately seeks out the ref both visually and verbally. Like no other QB or player that I have seen. Ever.

His actions on the field are the diametric opposite of the way any of those "old-school" tough guys would react.

I've been accused of wearing black and gold shades about him, but I'll be damned if I see any other player acting like Brady does as often as he does it.

I've got nothing but respect for several rival teams QB's, Flacco, Manning, Palmer. They are great opponents and I can respect them. Despite being a tough opponent, I can't respect Brady.

He is Goddell's poster boy for the ruination of the game.

I know Pats fans will disagree and claim it is all QB's that act like this, but to turn the tables that sounds like blue and silver shades to me.

Brady stands alone in the degree he expects the refs to protect him.

Such nonsense

You and the vast majority of the other whiney haters like you, dislike Brady because of jealousy and his propensity for peeing in your cheerios. Unlike the rival QBs you listed, Brady has actually gone in to Pittsburgh and crushed steeler fan SB dreams on more than one occasion. Manning whines as much if not more than any qb in the league (try a google search sometime) but since he is so accomadating to opponents in the playoffs, many fans accordingly tend not to hold nearly as much animosity toward him. You hate TB and NE because they have beaten your team like a drum in the games that have mattered to you the most. Get over it..........

Actually, Superbowls matter to us the most

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Well there you have it folks. For anyone doubting that Brady whines about this more than anyone else, it was just announced on ESPN that the NFL Competition Committee itself is upset with Brady's propensity to whine for roughing the passer calls every time he gets hit. Further, they are actually considering adding a rule next year to make it a 15 yard penalty for begging for the call on a legal hit (like they have for punters acting when they don't get roughed) because of Brady.

 

[Breesisdaman]

In evaluating Tom Brady's toughness I think the video pretty much says it all

Protective Skirt

 

[Adebisi]

Well there you have it folks. For anyone doubting that Brady whines about this more than anyone else, it was just announced on ESPN that the NFL Competition Committee itself is upset with Brady's propensity to whine for roughing the passer calls every time he gets hit. Further, they are actually considering adding a rule next year to make it a 15 yard penalty for begging for the call on a legal hit (like they have for punters acting when they don't get roughed) because of Brady.

Really? "The NFL Competition Committee itself?" All 8 members have gone on record as saying this?

 

[treat88]

Well there you have it folks. For anyone doubting that Brady whines about this more than anyone else, it was just announced on ESPN that the NFL Competition Committee itself is upset with Brady's propensity to whine for roughing the passer calls every time he gets hit. Further, they are actually considering adding a rule next year to make it a 15 yard penalty for begging for the call on a legal hit (like they have for punters acting when they don't get roughed) because of Brady.

Really? "The NFL Competition Committee itself?" All 8 members have gone on record as saying this?

Maybe the NFL competition committee wears black and gold shades too? All 8 of them?Face it, Brady is unique in his behavior. All QB's want roughing called, just not to the same degree, frequency, nor with the same gusto Brady does.He's a great QB, and a tough SOB of a player, but he whines like no one else in the game.

 

[Chaka]

Well there you have it folks. For anyone doubting that Brady whines about this more than anyone else, it was just announced on ESPN that the NFL Competition Committee itself is upset with Brady's propensity to whine for roughing the passer calls every time he gets hit. Further, they are actually considering adding a rule next year to make it a 15 yard penalty for begging for the call on a legal hit (like they have for punters acting when they don't get roughed) because of Brady.

Really? "The NFL Competition Committee itself?" All 8 members have gone on record as saying this?

I wouldn't mind reading the story if someone would provide the link.