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Did i read wrong when i saw he had 17 Targets today against AZ? I watched parts of the game and he looked legit but does anyone know about this guy? Worth a dynasty roster spot?
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bulger2holt
Footballguy
He looks really good so far. But, when Robinson comes back next year, this will hurt Gibson. Robinson is very good.
duece2626
Footballguy
When he's healthy, which isn't very often.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
You have a point. Avery and Burton seem to be always hurt too.duece2626 said:
I picked him up last week for Bowe and I was fairly happy with the stat line until I saw the 17 targets. He has a cherry schedule the rest of the way, so I like to see him put up back to back weeks of 5+ catches, but was he dropping passes or was Bulger on his ### the whole time? Any insight from folks watching the game?
FavreCo
Footballguy
Not on same page on the misfires for the most part. Didn't see any dropped passes. They were'nt in sync. I'll have to watch thye 'shortcut' tomorrow night or Tues. night.
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valhallan
Footballguy
Yeah uhm, he didn't look legit. I couldn't believe how many drops I was watching... one after another. However his opportunity for the rest of this season definitely is legit.
ft_ball_fn
Footballguy
I thought these were legit too--he should have gotten a couple of flags. Note I was working while the game was on--but I didn't see many 'drops'... while he was 'targeted' it didn't seem like most of the time it was hitting his hands. I thought he looked legit.
lyon812
Footballguy
Only thought there were three balls he should have caught but didn't. Most of the time, the incompletions seemed to be because he and Bulger don't have their timing down. Overall, Gibson's shown good hands and toughness and has some moves after the catch. I'm very optimistic about him, considering this was only his second game as a starter on an offense that's struggled until recently, on a team that he's only been on for four weeks.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Yeah? and the better option over Bulger is?
bluesclues
Footballguy
I believe Gibson was rated a first rounder, but then fell a lot on draft boards due to injuries coming out of college.
He was off sync with Bulger.
He asked for 2 PI calls and got one - he didnt deserve the other.
He is very quick - the Rams issue will not be WR for years to come.
He was off sync with Bulger.
He asked for 2 PI calls and got one - he didnt deserve the other.
He is very quick - the Rams issue will not be WR for years to come.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Rams board saying 2 drops. Definatley not on same page with Bulger but he had one heck of a catch where he leaped real high for the pass and hauled it in.
MrPhoenix
Ron Paul Soldier
Jimmy Clausen? Sam Bradford? Jake Locker?
FavreCo
Footballguy
Bradford can't even make it thru a college season.
MrPhoenix
Ron Paul Soldier
Ok, that's one down. I posted 3.
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lyon812
Footballguy
Locker needs to spend another year in college. I commented on him previously in another thread.There's a great writeup on him here from the Field Gulls/Seahawks blog. Locker's of particular interest because he plays for Washington, meaning we hear a lot about him.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2009/10/26/11020...jake-locker-pro
"[Locker] makes some curious reads and does not show consistent accuracy. Locker has a nice mix of touch and arm-strength, but those are secondary abilities, of little worth before a quarterback has mastered pocket-presence, read and accuracy. ... He exhibits major red flags: pocket presence, decision making and consistent accuracy. ... Locker must first prove he can be a great college quarterback before Seattle fans envision him a great Seahawks quarterback."
The article is much longer, of course.
Locker's exciting and fun to watch, and has finally taken some great strides with the implementation of Sarkisian's offense--as well as Steve Clarkson, quarterback guru. However, I'm not keen on thrusting him into an NFL starting job on a crappy team that has major needs elsewhere. It's easy to complain about Bulger and think that a new QB will be the savior of the franchise, but what the Rams need most is
1) a pass rush
2) developmental time for the WR and the hopeful emergence of a #1 (because Avery isn't)
3) an OL to replace the presumably moving on Barron (though he's been better as of late)
4) an outside LB because Laurinatis is really doing it by himself without Witherspoon around,
5) a backup RB that doesn't suck
6) a TE other than Fells
7) depth so we don't have to continually recycle other teams' practice squad types to make up for years of drafting futility.
In the first round, a DT like Suh looks far more tempting than a QB. It's no surprise that as the Rams receivers have improved/progressed (Avery not dropping everything thrown to him, Gibson stepping up, Amendola becoming involved) that Bulger has looked more competent.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Gibson looked good for a rookie WR. He needs work on his route running as he often made one move too many in order to get open on timing routes which threw off the timing from Bulger. But that is to be expected considering his lack of experience and the short time he's been in STL. I could tell from his time in Philly that he is a player. Nice to see him getting a strong opportunity.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
It's pretty common knowledge among Rams fans that Bulger won't be back. Obviously the starting QB for the Rams isn't on the roster yet, but exactly what are you trying to debate?
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I don't see Bulger going anywhere next year. The Rams have to many other holes to fill. He is the least of their problems. None of the above QBs is a franchise QB who is good enough to be a top 5 overall pick. The Rams need defense and help on the offensive line more than a QB.
FavreCo
Footballguy
No idea why there is so much disdain (from Ram fans) for Bulger when clearly the team is weak around him. It's getting better as the last 2 games have been close against superior talent. The guy is a good QB. They could use a QB for the future but I'm not so sure any of those guys are 1st Rd talent and they need OL help among other things.
Thanks for the info guys. Other than one post, it sounds like Gibson is promising the rest of the year with his schedule. He plays Tennessee, Houston and Arizona, so he could be a very good PPR fill in for the playoffs. Not that Avery and Gibson are even close to Moss and Welker, but maybe opposing teams will concentrate on Avery so that Gibson will continue to get lots of targets/receptions.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
some scuttlebutt in philadelphia that maybe McNabb would be traded there and re-united with his former QB coach Pat Shurmur.
cstu
Footballguy
Bulger is a good QB, but he needs protection in the pocket to make plays. It wouldn't make sense to get rid of him for a rookie though since whoever the rookie would be is still going to suffer behind that line. McNabb would be a nice move and I think the Eagles are ready to make the change to Kolb, maybe their 2nd would be enough.
FavreCo
Footballguy
1st series - incomplete, missed play but saw that he was pissed at himself it seems. probably a drop.
2nd series - great catch of low thrown ball
3rd series - ball batted down
4th series - pass too high on slant, completion on high pass, great catch.
5th series - completion, deep pass incomplete - they didn't show it
7th series - completion high pass, incomplete - pressure, no chance to complete
8th series - incomplete - lob pass into corner. he should have had it. timing.
9th series - incomplete - fell down on wide pass, incomplete - same route miscommunication, incomplete - defensive holding, incomplete - pass wide on slant.
10th series - incomplete- low thrown pass, completion, incomplete - drop in endzone falling backwards
11th series - incomplete- not even close, miscommunication on route?
2nd series - great catch of low thrown ball
3rd series - ball batted down
4th series - pass too high on slant, completion on high pass, great catch.
5th series - completion, deep pass incomplete - they didn't show it
7th series - completion high pass, incomplete - pressure, no chance to complete
8th series - incomplete - lob pass into corner. he should have had it. timing.
9th series - incomplete - fell down on wide pass, incomplete - same route miscommunication, incomplete - defensive holding, incomplete - pass wide on slant.
10th series - incomplete- low thrown pass, completion, incomplete - drop in endzone falling backwards
11th series - incomplete- not even close, miscommunication on route?
moleculo
Footballguy
I was actually at the game and had seats 5 rows from the field. this series:
"10th series - incomplete- low thrown pass, completion, incomplete - drop in endzone falling backwards"
was practically right in front of me.
Granted, I'm not a talent scout and it's very possible that I'm off, but these incompletions looked like catchable balls. it seemed clear to me that the drops were getting to him because after he made the one catch, he came and flexed for the crowd, only to come up short the next one.
I didn't realize he had only been in STL a short time - I suppose that could help explain the timing not being quite there..if your timing isn't quite in sync, IMO you can compensate with telent, and Gibson isn't there.
That was my takeaway anyhow...unimpressed.
"10th series - incomplete- low thrown pass, completion, incomplete - drop in endzone falling backwards"
was practically right in front of me.
Granted, I'm not a talent scout and it's very possible that I'm off, but these incompletions looked like catchable balls. it seemed clear to me that the drops were getting to him because after he made the one catch, he came and flexed for the crowd, only to come up short the next one.
I didn't realize he had only been in STL a short time - I suppose that could help explain the timing not being quite there..if your timing isn't quite in sync, IMO you can compensate with telent, and Gibson isn't there.
That was my takeaway anyhow...unimpressed.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Any Rams fans belong to realramsfans message board ? If so, please ask them why I am banned and please ask them to un-ban me.
lyon812
Footballguy
Watching on TV, it looked like Mike Adams got a hand on the ball as Gibson was falling backwards. (As an aside, I think this near completion led to their poor call on the next play, as they tried the same play again, though with Avery instead of Gibson. AZ was smart, however, and on the second call had DRC there with Adams.)Regardless, for someone that was on the Philly practice squad a month ago and has two career starts in the NFL, it's an auspicious beginning. If this was Week 2, we'd all be thrilled, especially since reports were that he looked great in the preseason. I'm really optimistic about him and Robinson next year.
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loose circuits
Footballguy
are the Rams fans seeing why they traded Witherspoon? I know when they originally did it, I posted they would be happy with Gibson. I'd say he's done better than met expectations thus far, no?
This guy was touted as a sleeper in the dynasty thread over a month ago, which is when sharp owners paying attention might have scooped him up...or, at the very least, placed him on thier radar.He'll keep that starting position over the likes of Burton, etc.Todem said:
Kai's Hero
Footballguy
Brandon grew up in my neighborhood and went to High School with my son. He is a great athlete with a huge amount of potential. He decided to stay for his senior season at the request of his Mom. Brandon would have been a Top 20 pick had he come out after his junior season. WSU had injuries to their Top 2 QB's his senior season and so his numbers suffered.
He doesn't have blazing speed but he's a very good route runner, has the ability to create space and has very good hands. I think the trade with the Rams will help his development as he is getting the opportunity now that he wasn't getting in Philly. I don't know if St. Louis is splitting him out wide or playing him in the slot but I think his upside will be in the slot.
He doesn't have blazing speed but he's a very good route runner, has the ability to create space and has very good hands. I think the trade with the Rams will help his development as he is getting the opportunity now that he wasn't getting in Philly. I don't know if St. Louis is splitting him out wide or playing him in the slot but I think his upside will be in the slot.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Jake Locker 
Why, because he's a supposed "dual threat"? Him and his 217 rushing yards? (4th among Pac-10 QBs, by the way). The guy's so immobile that he's been sacked more times than every QB in the conference but one.
He's 6th in completion %. He's 7th in passer rating. 4th in passing yards. 6th in TD-INT ratio. 6th in yards-per-attempt.
Worst of all: he's rushing the ball at 2.47 YPC -- DEAD LAST among ALL eligible rushers in the Pac-10.
Why, because he's a supposed "dual threat"? Him and his 217 rushing yards? (4th among Pac-10 QBs, by the way). The guy's so immobile that he's been sacked more times than every QB in the conference but one.
He's 6th in completion %. He's 7th in passer rating. 4th in passing yards. 6th in TD-INT ratio. 6th in yards-per-attempt.
Worst of all: he's rushing the ball at 2.47 YPC -- DEAD LAST among ALL eligible rushers in the Pac-10.
Pretty much dead on.I spent a ton of time around Gibson when he was working out in Los Angeles in summer of 2008 and parts of this winter -he's a hard worker with some pretty good skills. As you said, had he come out after his Junior year he might have been a first rounder. His numbers died because of the team around him. He's actually one of two guys I met at Elite (the other being Rudy Carpenter) who clearly regretted that return to school and both dropped in ratings severly.I think the move to the Rams was a good one for him - it was way too crowded in Philly for him to get a chance.
Kai's Hero
Footballguy
Please help me understand this post?Jake Locker
Why, because he's a supposed "dual threat"? Him and his 217 rushing yards? (4th among Pac-10 QBs, by the way). The guy's so immobile that he's been sacked more times than every QB in the conference but one.
He's 6th in completion %. He's 7th in passer rating. 4th in passing yards. 6th in TD-INT ratio. 6th in yards-per-attempt.
Worst of all: he's rushing the ball at 2.47 YPC -- DEAD LAST among ALL eligible rushers in the Pac-10.
You lost all credibility when you said that Jake is immobile. The guy that runs a 4.3 / 40? The guy is unbelieveable in the open field and often punishes the defenders trying to tackle him. Have you watched ANY of his games? He has NO offensive line and is running for his life on 80% of his passing attempts. Sark's focus with Jake this year was to try to keep him in the pocket more and try to minimize his running. He's clearly the most athletic and gifted athlete on both sides of the ball for the Huskies and the opposition. He's improved his accuracy significantly this year and there is no QB in the Pac-10 that I would rather have leading my team. Find another forum 
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Why did Barry Sanders have so many runs for negative yardage? It certainly wasn't because he lacked mobility......Then why does Locker get sacked so often?You lost all credibility when you said that Jake is immobile.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
That comparison might make sense if Locker had lots of runs for positive yardage.And Washington's line can't be that bad when Locker is able to complete 57% of his passes, and their RB averages 5 yards per carry.Why did Barry Sanders have so many runs for negative yardage? It certainly wasn't because he lacked mobility......Then why does Locker get sacked so often?You lost all credibility when you said that Jake is immobile.
MaddHatter
Footballguy
Jake Locker immobile?
That's like saying hippos can fly.
That's like saying hippos can fly.
Todem
Footballguy
Touche......however......after watching just one game of anl NFL regular season matchup....that is when most owners (who are not in the know of every single deep sleeper on the universe) mayhave taken notice (since the hobby is my Sunday and Monday's) of the kid. How many people jumped on Colston after week one of his rookie season (sharp owners did) week one of Boldins rookie year? Sharp owners did etc etc.Sometimes watching them in college you can hit on them...but sometimes you need to see it in a real regular season game to get a good gauge of what they can do. Not a thread talking about a name....when the guy has not had a snap in the NFL yet.
He got placed on my radar when I watched him play his first game......I promptly scooped him up in every league I could with a bunch of other sharp dynasty owners....and in most leagues paid almost nothing. One game does not make a career....but you have to take chances if you see talent.
If you were made aware of his name in athread...good for you. But most owners don't scoop a guy up who has not sniffed the field yet when your fighting for the playoffs. At least most of the time I need to see at least something for most players. If your telling me you don;t need to...then your a FF g-d.
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Casting Couch
Footballguy
Gibson's numbers have been steadily decreasing since his big burst onto the scene 3 weeks ago.
Casting Couch said:
In PPR leagues as a fill in (he sure wasn't drafted), even his second game (5-65) was more than serviceable. His last game worries me because that was the first game with Boller. Boller has a cannon, but not the type of QB I would think works well with a possession type WR. I already dumped Gibson in my short roster league as Avery was on waivers and I think he fits better with Boller and Avant was available in my deep roster league.It is too bad, because the passing defenses Stl faces are bad, so I think he had a lot of potential with Bulger, but not so much with Boller. If Avery is available in short roster leagues, I would pick him up. I am pretty sure against Minny Boller came in and Avery had a good game, so that is 2 for 2 with Boller.Actually, it was the other way around. Boller started in the game against the Vikes, and when he got injured, Bulger came in and went 7/7, ending in a TD pass to Avery.As for Gibson, I'm not too worried. Prior to last week's game, Boller admitted that Gibson was the only receiver he didn't have a lot of time to work with yet, so there's certainly room for improvement (although I wouldn't start him until he shows some production).
From 2004 to 2006, Michael Vick was 2nd, 4th, and 6th in the NFL in sacks. That dude must have been a real statue in the pocket, right?Also, I think it's abundantly obvious that you don't actually watch any college football (or, at least, any Washington games), so I don't know if you realize that in college, sacks are credited to the QB as rushes for negative yardage. Locker's been sacked 26 times this year. I don't know how many yards he's lost, but Google tells me that on his first 21 sacks, he lost 126 yards (6 yards per). If his average remained constant, he will have lost 156 yards to sacks on the year. Take those 26 "carries" for -156 yards out of his rushing stats and he's averaging 6.5 yards per carry. I'd call that respectable, to say the very least.Most importantly, if you want to know how good Locker is, check out the difference between last year's team and this year's. Last year, Locker was out for the season, and Washington was arguably the worst division 1 college football team in recent memory. This year, Locker was back, and Washington went 4-7, beating 8-3 USC and 7-4 Arizona, nearly upsetting 9-3 LSU, and taking Notre Dame to overtime. Last year, the team was a joke. This year, the team is competitive. The biggest difference is Locker.Then why does Locker get sacked so often?You lost all credibility when you said that Jake is immobile.
