ghosttothepost
Footballguy
FWIW, same time frame (i.e. 3-5 weeks) is being reported by ESPN on their "Sportcenter Minute" video report on ESPN.com
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Has the MRI results been reported yet? This 3-5 week time frame means nothing without the MRI results.
JMJ
Footballguy
Agreed.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
They might be waiting on the MRI if there is still significant swelling in the knee.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Very true, as long as there is swelling they won't perform the MRI.
jabarony
Footballguy
I wouldn't necessarily say he needs to swallow his pride. I agree he'd be a helluva FB, but the coaches/GM like him as a RB, and I'm sure he'll never go to the coaches and say he's a better fit at FB (who would). Plus, he wasn't Brett Favre - doing what's best for him & worst for the team. He can perform as a tailback.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Exactly. So the NFL is now run by young mid round picks who walk into the coach's office and say, "I'm playing HB and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it." Does anyone really think that Brandon Jacobs Pride even entered into Coughlin's mind when he was deciding what to do at RB this year?
Avery
Footballguy
He got turned around and took a shot to the side of the knee.Saying that Jacobs can't carry a full load for the season due to one injury is ridiculously premature. It goes without saying (I hope) that there have been more then a few RBs in the NFL who have had knee sprains and proved that taking a helmet to the knee once does not relagate them to a career as a 3rd down or short yardage back.
Also, if you are saying that Jacobs can't carry the load as a starting RB due to his size and "lack of lean" when running (hence the shots to the knees) then there is no way that he would make a passible FB, let alone the "best at the position ever." That just doesn't make sense.
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nygiants56
Footballguy
verrated: & verhyped:
gianmarco
Footballguy
You're being paged to the Portis thread.
JMJ
Footballguy
Tom Coughlin's press conference transcript:
"(Brandon) Jacobs will be out; we will determine his status on a weekly basis with the MCL."
Is Derrick Ward set to be the primary running back or will Reuben Droughns take over?
No, that was the way we have been going. We have been listing it that way. Droughns will get more work now, obviously.
Is the Brandon Jacobs' injury more hurtful because the player he is replacing this season was so durable?
I think they all hurt. It is not a matter of who he replaced; it is a matter of you would like to certainly see, given the opportunity to play for the first time, you would like to see him extensively play and utilize Ward as we had planned going into the game. We had some plays for using Ward. Ward played very well when he did come in. It is not a matter of who he replaced, it is the idea that the play that he was injured on he was flying to the line of scrimmage. He had made some punishing runs, moved the piles, and done some good things. It is just a shame that he had to come out so early in the game.
How confident are you in Derrick Ward?
I have been very confident. You have asked me questions about him throughout training camp. I have expressed what we like about Derrick: his quickness, his speed, the fact that he is 230 pounds; people don’t a lot of times even recognize that fact. He has played enough now to be a guy that has a little savvy about the spot. He showed last night that he can make a play when he has to run through some arms to get to the position where he needs to get to, whether it be the touchdown run or the nice cutback on the toss. He has caught the ball for us, he has been instructive, and he has matured in the area of pass protection. He has been coming along and certainly proved in training camp that he deserves the opportunity and he certainly will get some more.
Have you thought about bringing someone in now that Jacobs will be out for some time?
Not at this time. You may see (Ahmad) Bradshaw get involved a little bit more.
"(Brandon) Jacobs will be out; we will determine his status on a weekly basis with the MCL."
Is Derrick Ward set to be the primary running back or will Reuben Droughns take over?
No, that was the way we have been going. We have been listing it that way. Droughns will get more work now, obviously.
Is the Brandon Jacobs' injury more hurtful because the player he is replacing this season was so durable?
I think they all hurt. It is not a matter of who he replaced; it is a matter of you would like to certainly see, given the opportunity to play for the first time, you would like to see him extensively play and utilize Ward as we had planned going into the game. We had some plays for using Ward. Ward played very well when he did come in. It is not a matter of who he replaced, it is the idea that the play that he was injured on he was flying to the line of scrimmage. He had made some punishing runs, moved the piles, and done some good things. It is just a shame that he had to come out so early in the game.
How confident are you in Derrick Ward?
I have been very confident. You have asked me questions about him throughout training camp. I have expressed what we like about Derrick: his quickness, his speed, the fact that he is 230 pounds; people don’t a lot of times even recognize that fact. He has played enough now to be a guy that has a little savvy about the spot. He showed last night that he can make a play when he has to run through some arms to get to the position where he needs to get to, whether it be the touchdown run or the nice cutback on the toss. He has caught the ball for us, he has been instructive, and he has matured in the area of pass protection. He has been coming along and certainly proved in training camp that he deserves the opportunity and he certainly will get some more.
Have you thought about bringing someone in now that Jacobs will be out for some time?
Not at this time. You may see (Ahmad) Bradshaw get involved a little bit more.
GoBirds
Footballguy
As a Jacobs owner that seems positive. He was impressed with his performance before the injury and he will be evaluated weekly, last night thought season might be done.Tom Coughlin's press conference transcript:
"(Brandon) Jacobs will be out; we will determine his status on a weekly basis with the MCL."
Is Derrick Ward set to be the primary running back or will Reuben Droughns take over?
No, that was the way we have been going. We have been listing it that way. Droughns will get more work now, obviously.
Is the Brandon Jacobs' injury more hurtful because the player he is replacing this season was so durable?
I think they all hurt. It is not a matter of who he replaced; it is a matter of you would like to certainly see, given the opportunity to play for the first time, you would like to see him extensively play and utilize Ward as we had planned going into the game. We had some plays for using Ward. Ward played very well when he did come in. It is not a matter of who he replaced, it is the idea that the play that he was injured on he was flying to the line of scrimmage. He had made some punishing runs, moved the piles, and done some good things. It is just a shame that he had to come out so early in the game.
How confident are you in Derrick Ward?
I have been very confident. You have asked me questions about him throughout training camp. I have expressed what we like about Derrick: his quickness, his speed, the fact that he is 230 pounds; people don’t a lot of times even recognize that fact. He has played enough now to be a guy that has a little savvy about the spot. He showed last night that he can make a play when he has to run through some arms to get to the position where he needs to get to, whether it be the touchdown run or the nice cutback on the toss. He has caught the ball for us, he has been instructive, and he has matured in the area of pass protection. He has been coming along and certainly proved in training camp that he deserves the opportunity and he certainly will get some more.
Have you thought about bringing someone in now that Jacobs will be out for some time?
Not at this time. You may see (Ahmad) Bradshaw get involved a little bit more.
2 Minute Drill w your mom
Footballguy
RBBC next week?Tom Coughlin's press conference transcript:
"(Brandon) Jacobs will be out; we will determine his status on a weekly basis with the MCL."
Is Derrick Ward set to be the primary running back or will Reuben Droughns take over?
No, that was the way we have been going. We have been listing it that way. Droughns will get more work now, obviously.
Is the Brandon Jacobs' injury more hurtful because the player he is replacing this season was so durable?
I think they all hurt. It is not a matter of who he replaced; it is a matter of you would like to certainly see, given the opportunity to play for the first time, you would like to see him extensively play and utilize Ward as we had planned going into the game. We had some plays for using Ward. Ward played very well when he did come in. It is not a matter of who he replaced, it is the idea that the play that he was injured on he was flying to the line of scrimmage. He had made some punishing runs, moved the piles, and done some good things. It is just a shame that he had to come out so early in the game.
How confident are you in Derrick Ward?
I have been very confident. You have asked me questions about him throughout training camp. I have expressed what we like about Derrick: his quickness, his speed, the fact that he is 230 pounds; people don’t a lot of times even recognize that fact. He has played enough now to be a guy that has a little savvy about the spot. He showed last night that he can make a play when he has to run through some arms to get to the position where he needs to get to, whether it be the touchdown run or the nice cutback on the toss. He has caught the ball for us, he has been instructive, and he has matured in the area of pass protection. He has been coming along and certainly proved in training camp that he deserves the opportunity and he certainly will get some more.
Have you thought about bringing someone in now that Jacobs will be out for some time?
Not at this time. You may see (Ahmad) Bradshaw get involved a little bit more.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
The #1 phrase used everytime a starter goes down. Who's to say that Ward won't get as many carries as Jacobs would have gotten?RBBC next week?Tom Coughlin's press conference transcript:
"(Brandon) Jacobs will be out; we will determine his status on a weekly basis with the MCL."
Is Derrick Ward set to be the primary running back or will Reuben Droughns take over?
No, that was the way we have been going. We have been listing it that way. Droughns will get more work now, obviously.
Is the Brandon Jacobs' injury more hurtful because the player he is replacing this season was so durable?
I think they all hurt. It is not a matter of who he replaced; it is a matter of you would like to certainly see, given the opportunity to play for the first time, you would like to see him extensively play and utilize Ward as we had planned going into the game. We had some plays for using Ward. Ward played very well when he did come in. It is not a matter of who he replaced, it is the idea that the play that he was injured on he was flying to the line of scrimmage. He had made some punishing runs, moved the piles, and done some good things. It is just a shame that he had to come out so early in the game.
How confident are you in Derrick Ward?
I have been very confident. You have asked me questions about him throughout training camp. I have expressed what we like about Derrick: his quickness, his speed, the fact that he is 230 pounds; people don’t a lot of times even recognize that fact. He has played enough now to be a guy that has a little savvy about the spot. He showed last night that he can make a play when he has to run through some arms to get to the position where he needs to get to, whether it be the touchdown run or the nice cutback on the toss. He has caught the ball for us, he has been instructive, and he has matured in the area of pass protection. He has been coming along and certainly proved in training camp that he deserves the opportunity and he certainly will get some more.
Have you thought about bringing someone in now that Jacobs will be out for some time?
Not at this time. You may see (Ahmad) Bradshaw get involved a little bit more.
JMJ
Footballguy
As a non-Jacobs owner who heard the press conference I can tell you these two things though:1. The way he said it was more like, "Well as you know, Jacobs will be out. We'll evaluate him on a week-to-week basis" He said the "week to week" thing because he had just finished updating that Manning and Osi Umenyiora will be evaluated day-to-day. But again, he said it in a way that leads you to believe that Jacobs is going to be out for a while (as in multiple weeks).2. Last year Osi Umenyiora had a knee injury and was catching a lot of flack here in NY from Giants fans and some media outlets because every time Coughlin would talk he'd make it sound like he was optomistic that Osi would play this next week, then the next week, then the next week, etc. He wound up missing 6 weeks and played very sparingly in the 7th. He was never healthy enough to return yet Coughlin always tried to let on that this next week was the week. I think he even guaranteed that Osi would be back for the Bears game and Osi wound up missing that one and the next 3 games after it.With both of those things being said, I am using my #1 WW priority on Derrick Ward this week.
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GoBirds
Footballguy
That sucks.As a non-Jacobs owner who heard the press conference I can tell you these two things though:1. The way he said it was more like, "Well as you know, Jacobs will be out. We'll evaluate him on a week-to-week basis" He said the "week to week" thing because he had just finished updating that Manning and Osi Umenyiora will be evaluated day-to-day. But again, he said it in a way that leads you to believe that Jacobs is going to be out for a while (as in multiple weeks).2. Last year Osi Umenyiora had a knee injury and was catching a lot of flack here in NY from Giants fans and some media outlets because every time Coughlin would talk he'd make it sound like he was optomistic that Osi would play this next week, then the next week, then the next week, etc. He wound up missing 6 weeks and played very sparingly in the 7th. He was never healthy enough to return yet Coughlin always tried to let on that this next week was the week. I think he even guaranteed that Osi would be back for the Bears game and Osi wound up missing that one and the next 3 games after it.With both of those things being said, I am using my #1 WW priority on Derrick Ward this week.
ActionHero
Footballguy
Sorry if this is an ACF type question, but how much FAAB (out of $100) should Jacobs owner spend on Ward? New to auctions here, and not sure how much to bid. TIA.
JMJ
Footballguy
Highly doubt it.Here was Eli's answer when asked about Jacobs/Ward and look at how he mentions Bradshaw:RBBC next week?Tom Coughlin's press conference transcript:
"(Brandon) Jacobs will be out; we will determine his status on a weekly basis with the MCL."
Is Derrick Ward set to be the primary running back or will Reuben Droughns take over?
No, that was the way we have been going. We have been listing it that way. Droughns will get more work now, obviously.
Is the Brandon Jacobs' injury more hurtful because the player he is replacing this season was so durable?
I think they all hurt. It is not a matter of who he replaced; it is a matter of you would like to certainly see, given the opportunity to play for the first time, you would like to see him extensively play and utilize Ward as we had planned going into the game. We had some plays for using Ward. Ward played very well when he did come in. It is not a matter of who he replaced, it is the idea that the play that he was injured on he was flying to the line of scrimmage. He had made some punishing runs, moved the piles, and done some good things. It is just a shame that he had to come out so early in the game.
How confident are you in Derrick Ward?
I have been very confident. You have asked me questions about him throughout training camp. I have expressed what we like about Derrick: his quickness, his speed, the fact that he is 230 pounds; people don’t a lot of times even recognize that fact. He has played enough now to be a guy that has a little savvy about the spot. He showed last night that he can make a play when he has to run through some arms to get to the position where he needs to get to, whether it be the touchdown run or the nice cutback on the toss. He has caught the ball for us, he has been instructive, and he has matured in the area of pass protection. He has been coming along and certainly proved in training camp that he deserves the opportunity and he certainly will get some more.
Have you thought about bringing someone in now that Jacobs will be out for some time?
Not at this time. You may see (Ahmad) Bradshaw get involved a little bit more.
Q: Whenever you do come back it seems like Brandon Jacobs will be out for a little while. …..
A: Well, this is football. Obviously we are going to miss Brandon but I think Derrick Ward showed he has some ability also. He ran the ball well for us. He caught a screen and he got in the end zone on great effort. So he is a guy – he knows this offense. He has been with us for a long time. He knows what he is doing protection wise; route wise and how to run it. And so I think we have confidence in him. We will probably have to get Ahmad Bradshaw in there and give him some reps. He had a good preseason, just get him practicing, make sure he knows everything and is caught up on what we are doing.
Avery
Footballguy
Being a Giants fan and having watched Coughlin over the past few years, he definitely follows the Shanahan/Belicheck school of injury information where giving your opponents information is giving them power. He doesn't go quite as far as listing half his roster as "questionable", but he is very tight lipped about player status.Doesn't mean that Jacobs will be out for half the season, but is does mean that the information and details we receive will be limited.That sucks.As a non-Jacobs owner who heard the press conference I can tell you these two things though:1. The way he said it was more like, "Well as you know, Jacobs will be out. We'll evaluate him on a week-to-week basis" He said the "week to week" thing because he had just finished updating that Manning and Osi Umenyiora will be evaluated day-to-day. But again, he said it in a way that leads you to believe that Jacobs is going to be out for a while (as in multiple weeks).2. Last year Osi Umenyiora had a knee injury and was catching a lot of flack here in NY from Giants fans and some media outlets because every time Coughlin would talk he'd make it sound like he was optomistic that Osi would play this next week, then the next week, then the next week, etc. He wound up missing 6 weeks and played very sparingly in the 7th. He was never healthy enough to return yet Coughlin always tried to let on that this next week was the week. I think he even guaranteed that Osi would be back for the Bears game and Osi wound up missing that one and the next 3 games after it.With both of those things being said, I am using my #1 WW priority on Derrick Ward this week.
Avery
Footballguy
You can argue, in a PPR league, the Giants may call for more short outlet/swing passes to the RB.Also, a RB starter is a RB starter and although I probably wouldn't start him over a top tier back, I would be happy to have him on my roster.
Edit to add: Reports on Eli being out are currently contradictory. Even is he is out for a week or two, that could leave Ward as the starting RB for a few weeks. Next 6 games: @Was, Phi, NYJ, @Atl and SF. If Jacobs is out six weeks, that leaves some nice matchups for Ward.
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JMJ
Footballguy
Ward is a good receiver out of the backfield.Also, we don't know how long Eli will be out for. The reports on that are VERY conflicting. Plus, it is Chris Mortensen reporting Eli could be out 4 weeks. Mort has had a terrible track record of info as of late.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Count me in the minority on this, I'm believing in what Mort is saying. Again, NYG has nothing to gain but a bit to lose to admit that Eli will be out for any amount of time. I'd do the exact same thing if I was Eli or Coughlin.Sorry, but some fat kid that looks like he swallowed a pumpkin won't put fear in a pop warner team. The NYG has no reason to show their hand as it relates to Eli, they already have way too many injured.twocents
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JMJ
Footballguy
I agree with a lot you have to say here but Eli continued to play and even threw a TD pass after the injury. If his shoulder was dislocated he would not have been able to do that. (at least not from what I heard today)Not saying I'm right, and not saying you're wrong, just more or less playing Devil's advocate.
umm....in English please?
3C's
Footballguy
Hard to give one answer to a 2 question question.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Unless he threatens to eat them.
3C's
Footballguy
Yeah, but which question did he answer?Looks like he gave three.
Reservoir Dog
Footballguy
Has Jacobs had an MRI yet? Any of you local guys have the scoop?
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
"As expected, an MRI of running back Brandon Jacobs' right knee revealed a sprained medial collateral ligament, a situation that usually is a 2-3 week recovery. No surgery is required, but Jacobs after his first career NFL start is now on the shelf. Derrick Ward, who gained 89 yards on 13 rushing attempts filling in for Jacobs, will likely move in as the starter, with Reuben Droughns getting more work in the backfield rather than at fullback. "http://www.nypost.com/seven/09112007/sport...back.htm?page=2
hankfromhawaii
Footballguy
Does anyone think there's any chance that Derrick Ward keeps the starting job after Jacobs returns?
Reservoir Dog
Footballguy
thank you!
JMJ
Footballguy
I would expect it to be more of a 50/50 RBBC. Ward being used in the Tiki roll and Jacobs going back to being used how he was last season. But with that being said, Jacobs would be used much more then last year where it was 70/30 Tiki, this would be more like 50/50.
AngryGorilla
Footballguy
Gotta love FF noobs, a rookie in my league dropped Jacobs for Selvin Young 
unbelievable
unbelievablehankfromhawaii
Footballguy
Hmmmm...that actually sounds like a reasonable possibility, considering their playbook has already been operating this way for years with Tiki. Well, it's all speculation for now. Just trying to figure whether I should make a play on Ward or Jacobs, though I like to stay away from these wait and see headaches. Less stress on the system.
gianmarco
Footballguy
What gives you ANY indication of this?
JMJ
Footballguy
Watching the Giants week-in and week-out for the past 27+ years of my life.**Edited to add**I said, "I'd expect ......" That means OPINION. Never tried to push it off as fact.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Hopefully BJ learned his leason here... when your stopped... your stopped. Don't kill yourself for the extra yds.
LordHusker
Hot sauce addict
With Ward's propensity for getting hurt, he'll probably be out just about the time Jacobs is ready to return, anyway. No RBBC worries.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
???someone rolled on his leg before he broke the line of scrimmage
3C's
Footballguy
Did you watch the game? Or maybe even one of the hundreds of replays?
Avery
Footballguy
Injuries happen at odd times. Two players make contact at just the wrong angle and bad things can happen; a helmet on the knee or the tragic situation with Kevin Everett that really didn't look as catastrophic as it turned out to be.Fighting for extra yards had nothing to do with it and, although I wouldn't even know where to start to look, I'd lay money on more injuries come from a quick "unlucky" hit rather than a player being stood up, pushing for the extra yards.Fumbles perhaps, but not injuries.
Rogi
Footballguy
The "in thing" around here is to bash Jacobs' "upright" running style. Now everybody's blaming his injury on his running style, even though it has nothing to do with his injury. By the way, since when is it a bad thing for a running back to fight for extra yards? Should they start doing the quarterback slide before getting tackled?
Brutis
Footballguy
The injury had nothing to do with his running style, Just plain bad luck. His O Lineman blocked a dallas DLineman right into his leg as he was trying to run by, not sure what he could have done about that?The "in thing" around here is to bash Jacobs' "upright" running style. Now everybody's blaming his injury on his running style, even though it has nothing to do with his injury. By the way, since when is it a bad thing for a running back to fight for extra yards? Should they start doing the quarterback slide before getting tackled?
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Been 5 inches shorter?The injury had nothing to do with his running style, Just plain bad luck. His O Lineman blocked a dallas DLineman right into his leg as he was trying to run by, not sure what he could have done about that?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
get a grip dudeJacobs out!!!! Hell yes!!!!!
