Butterbags
Footballguy
Is Jacobs going to get vultured by Drougns all season or is this just a Ward situation...also how bad is his knee?
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The Jerk
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Nice post...
RC94
Footballguy
I agree with this. Once Jacobs comes back I think Droughns moves back to being strictly the FB with the occasional reception.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
i think the issue for nyg rb owners is the split between ward and jacobs when he returns. jacobs has been the giants goal line back, so i don't imagine he'd be pulled for droughns.
harryhood
Footballguy
As a giants homer there seems to be rumors that Ward may be playing well enough to be the "tiki" type runner that the giants like, while Jacobs could go back to last years role. As a giants fan I would be OVERJOYED because i feel it gives them another dimension on offense. As a fantasy owner I could understand your frustrations about this situation, but the bottom line is that Tom Coughlin is going to do what saves his job....that might include a 2-headed monster.
The Jerk
Footballguy
Ward's already proven he is available at least as an option if and when Jacobs is not effective and as a change of pace. I would expect that he will see considerable action in the next few weeks until Jacobs is back at full health. As long as Ward continues to be at least moderately effective, he will still be getting carries. As has been established in now at least two threads, the exact ratio is pure conjecture at this point. It won't be 100% Jacobs, but we don't know what percent gets distributed to the others.
Riffraff
Footballguy
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az_prof
Footballguy
The G-Men have Bradshaw and Ward so they don't need to open the bank for him. If he doesn't sign and he has a great year he will due for a big pay day in FA next year, but if he gets hurt...and Bradshaw takes over, his value goes in the toilet. If I were him I would sign now.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Ward's contract expires after 2008 as well. He only signed a 1 year deal.On the flipside of Bradshaw excelling, the Giants would be drafting a RB very early or very active in free agency (Barber could be available).
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
The NYG RBs are money... which ever one is starting.
BJ would be a top 10 Stud if he could stay Healthy... Bradshaw look great at the end of the yr and should pass Ward for the #2 spot. No one seemed interested in signing Ward, he was on the market for a couple of weeks and didn't sniff an offer.
BJ would be a top 10 Stud if he could stay Healthy... Bradshaw look great at the end of the yr and should pass Ward for the #2 spot. No one seemed interested in signing Ward, he was on the market for a couple of weeks and didn't sniff an offer.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Ah, my favorite poster is back.Bradshaw has already passed Ward for the #2 spot. Jacobs will get 50% of the carries this year, Bradshaw will get 35-40%, and the remainder will go to Ward or Droughns.
H.K.
Footballguy
Even that wouldn't matter. Bradshaw and Ward showed the Giants that they didn't need Jacobs last year, so he has zero leverage in these negotiations. Jacobs had 2007 to establish himself as the guy. He failed. He refused to play hurt during the regular season and led the team in dropped passes despite playing in so few games. Then in the playoffs Bradshaw averaged 4.3 YPC in the Super Bowl run, while Jacobs folded under the pressure and averaged less than 3.2 yards a carry in the post season.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I can see this as the game plan next yr... it would be very smart.However, in the last few games of the yr... when BJ was healthy... TC ran him 80% of the time.
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Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
The playoffs are what matter, and when it mattered most:Jacobs: 62 carries, 197 yds, 3 TDs (in 4 games)
Bradshaw: 48 carries, 208 yds, 1 TD (in 4 games)
gianmarco
Footballguy
Figured it wouldn't take long. Question, though. What happened to your sig that you had as a result of losing when Jacobs outperformed your prediction?
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Bradshaw did play great in the post-season...
Brutis
Footballguy
Whats sad is he lost his sig bet even with BJ missing 4 games lol.I dont see a team that just won the SB doing much different. BJ averaged 5 yds per carry last year and will still get the bulk of the carries.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
If by "bulk of carries" you mean the 55-60% of carries he received in the post-season, I'm sure most people would agree.
H.K.
Footballguy
The sig bet was for display through the end of the Super Bowl. Assuming Jacobs makes it to Week 1 healthy, we may have to do another one (if anyone still believes in him...)
Brutis
Footballguy
I think its going to be higher than that. We'll see.
poopdawg
Footballguy
I for one still think Jacobs is a beast and a physical specimen. If healthy, he could me tremendous.As for the OP's question, Droughns is no longer a threat. HK seemed to think that Droughns was the better back last year and his credibility was shot to hell. With that said, I am a huge fan of Bradshaw and I think there is real potential there. If I were a Giants fan, I would be real excited about that 1-2 punch. But Jacobs will still be getting at least 60% of the carries when healthy.It's kinda weird how you made ripping on Jacobs some sort of personal crusade. There are guys who have personally wronged me that I don't go as far out of my way to demonize.Anyway, you're welcome for giving you the attention you were seeking.H.K. said:
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I know we are here mostly about fantasy production, BUT, if you are the Giants and ANY person who understands the game of football, Brandon Jacobs is enormously valuable to the team. He is a great short yardage runner yet is the fastest RB on the Giants (I did not say quickest). He is also by far the best blocking RB they have in terms of picking up the blitz and finally he hurts the opposing team (see him run over Woodson on GB and Woodson stayed away from all contact after that hit and see Jacobs run over Bruschi as well in the SB). His value goes beyond is numbers and he still averaged 5 YPC during the regular season and took all the short yardage work in the postseason (which one would expect to lower your YPC).
While his style made us all expect him to miss time from the punishment he gives and takes, his injuries were 90% caused as fluke items. While planted his own lineman backed into his knee and he had a hammy injury. He did have plays and sometimes a series or two where he sat out with a stinger, but overall, the punishment was not the injury he had so I am not ready to call him injury prone yet (although it may happen).
The Giants know the value he brings and also understand that it is good business to have some help for Jacobs.
While his style made us all expect him to miss time from the punishment he gives and takes, his injuries were 90% caused as fluke items. While planted his own lineman backed into his knee and he had a hammy injury. He did have plays and sometimes a series or two where he sat out with a stinger, but overall, the punishment was not the injury he had so I am not ready to call him injury prone yet (although it may happen).
The Giants know the value he brings and also understand that it is good business to have some help for Jacobs.
poopdawg
Footballguy
Very
Yenrub
Footballguy
Yeah is great at blitz pick up, its almost like the Giants have an extra O linemen back there.I watched the championship DVD last night and the 1st thing I noticed on Plaxico's game winning catch was Jacobs blitz pick up on Harrison.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
As an earlier poster allready said, all of the negotiating leverage is on the side of the Giants front office. They can offer him below market value and let Jocobs take it or leave it. If he takes it then they have a big punishing RB who knows the system allready who they can continue to use as a lead off RB to punish the defense. And he certainly does that. They still have their other RBs for this year in Bradshaw and Ward who have allready proven capable of taking over starting role from Jacobs if he is injured again and be used in a rotation. If Bradshaw outperforms Jacobs they have not made a significant financial investment in Jacobs and can keep using both as Jacobs is not expensive for them to keep. Even if Jacobs cannot stay healthy or becomes a backup COP RB instead of a lead RB.
If Jacobs does not sign then the Giants still have him for this year and can continue to groom Bradshaw to be his replacement if he is not re-signed. Jacobs will be motivated to play through injury more than before because he is playing for his next contract. They can let Jacobs take a lot of punishment and keep Bradshaw fresh for upcoming seasons.
There really is no downside to the situation that the Giants front office is in here. They have 3 capable RBs for this season and if Jacobs is not signed and does perform better than he has before (and/or stays healthy or plays more than he has before) this will improve their offense this season. The Giants allready have a replacement for Jacobs if he earns a big payday in 09 from his performance this year in Bradshaw. So I don't see a situation where they would regret not giving Jacobs more money now.
Every possible scenario is in the teams favor. If Jacobs and Ward are let go after 2008 the Giants still have time to sign or draft another RB to back up or compliment Bradshaw.
I disagree with earlier poster stating that Jacobs is the best blocking RB on the team. Bradshaw was stoning blitzers regularly during the season and playoffs. This is one of his strengths. Bradshaw is also the better reciever of the two. So that makes Bradshaw a more complete RB than Jacobs is. Bradshaw was out performing Jacobs as a runner when given the opportunity as well.
I think regardless of what happens Bradshaw continues to eat more and more into Jacobs time because of his solid balanced play and because he out performs Jacobs is basicly every facet of the game.
I do not mean this as a knock on Jacobs. I think he has a role on the team and they would like to keep him as a early RB to punish the defense and loosen them up or get them breathing hard. If Jacobs leaves after this season I could see the Giants drafting another big RB to continue this dynamic. Soften the defense with some power running and try to tire them out abit. Then changing up to Bradshaw once the defense has some nics on them.
If Jacobs does not sign then the Giants still have him for this year and can continue to groom Bradshaw to be his replacement if he is not re-signed. Jacobs will be motivated to play through injury more than before because he is playing for his next contract. They can let Jacobs take a lot of punishment and keep Bradshaw fresh for upcoming seasons.
There really is no downside to the situation that the Giants front office is in here. They have 3 capable RBs for this season and if Jacobs is not signed and does perform better than he has before (and/or stays healthy or plays more than he has before) this will improve their offense this season. The Giants allready have a replacement for Jacobs if he earns a big payday in 09 from his performance this year in Bradshaw. So I don't see a situation where they would regret not giving Jacobs more money now.
Every possible scenario is in the teams favor. If Jacobs and Ward are let go after 2008 the Giants still have time to sign or draft another RB to back up or compliment Bradshaw.
I disagree with earlier poster stating that Jacobs is the best blocking RB on the team. Bradshaw was stoning blitzers regularly during the season and playoffs. This is one of his strengths. Bradshaw is also the better reciever of the two. So that makes Bradshaw a more complete RB than Jacobs is. Bradshaw was out performing Jacobs as a runner when given the opportunity as well.
I think regardless of what happens Bradshaw continues to eat more and more into Jacobs time because of his solid balanced play and because he out performs Jacobs is basicly every facet of the game.
I do not mean this as a knock on Jacobs. I think he has a role on the team and they would like to keep him as a early RB to punish the defense and loosen them up or get them breathing hard. If Jacobs leaves after this season I could see the Giants drafting another big RB to continue this dynamic. Soften the defense with some power running and try to tire them out abit. Then changing up to Bradshaw once the defense has some nics on them.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Yet he only had 4 rushing TDs in the regular season last year. Odd, huh?
Avery
Footballguy
Nope. Not particularly.The Giants were fortunate to have Droughns who is an excellent short yardage runner in his own right and punched in 6 TDs himself.Coughlin used his entire stable of backs; Jacobs, Ward, Droughns and Bradshaw; to overcome individual injuries and keep his RBs as fresh as possible for a post-season run for a team that leans heavily on its rushing attack.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
I know. It was sarcasm.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
TD's can be variable. Also, Coughlin used Jacobs as the #1 back most of the year and didn't use Jacobs on most short yardage situations during the year, even though he was their best at it. I assume this was to preserve Jacobs. However, when the postseason came, Jacobs had 4 TD's as Coughlin was not holding anything back.BTW, I do not agree with Biabreakable, Jacobs is a better blocking back than Bradshaw (although Bradshaw is very good for his size and does a decent blocking job overall)
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Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Sort of frustrating in that I think he's one of few guys who could get you those 3 TD games, given the chance.
H.K.
Footballguy
Very honest and accurate assessment of this situation.It's funny, last year some people actually thought Jacobs was going to be a 300 carry, three down RB. Nobody is saying that this season, though.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Agreed.
Yet Jacobs still got hurt multiple times!! So what do you expect to happen in the regular season this year? It seems borderline irrational to expect Jacobs to get most of the short yardage and goalline carries this year.
Please tell us more.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Like I stated previously, none of the injuries that were caused by the physical style of Jacobs made him miss a full game, therefore I would expect him to get most of the short yardage and goal line carries. Further, Droughns seemed to have regressed tremendously last year so I would not expect anything from him. Finally, with Bradshaw and even Ward, it will not be as needed for Jacobs to be the every down guy as much. I think you will see Jacobs as the FB from time to time as the Giants used a few times in the SB. This will get both Jacobs and Bradshaw in the game at the same time.In looking at the games, Jacobs was fantastic at picking up blitzers. Bradshaw had some misses that led to sacks late in the year, but did block better in the playoffs (although he was not asked to block that much). He did have some "stone" blocks that were good, but he also made some mistakes.. Not sure how to elaborate more, but I don't see how someone can look at the film and say Bradshaw is better at blocking than Jacobs is
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poopdawg
Footballguy
Its funny. Last year people were saying that Droughns was clearly the best RB in NY. Nobody is saying that this season though.Very honest and accurate assessment of this situation.
It's funny, last year some people actually thought Jacobs was going to be a 300 carry, three down RB. Nobody is saying that this season, though.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I don't use this often, but:Its funny. Last year people were saying that Droughns was clearly the best RB in NY. Nobody is saying that this season though.
It's funny, last year some people actually thought Jacobs was going to be a 300 carry, three down RB. Nobody is saying that this season, though.
H.K.
Footballguy
I don't use this often, but:Its funny. Last year people were saying that Droughns was clearly the best RB in NY. Nobody is saying that this season though.Very honest and accurate assessment of this situation.
It's funny, last year some people actually thought Jacobs was going to be a 300 carry, three down RB. Nobody is saying that this season, though.
I have admitted I was wrong about Droughns, but was right that Jacobs wouldn't succeed as a feature RB. He had the opportunity to be the full time guy and failed to claim the role. It's a committee, largley due to Jacobs' shortcomings.
H.K.
Footballguy
Irrelevent how or why he kept getting hurt. What matters is that he did and even more, the attitude he displayed when it happened.Remember this little gem:
"It's most definitely killing me (to not play)," Jacobs said. "But I don't want to go out and ruin my opportunity to be the guy in the future."
Ironically, Jacobs no longer being the guy is directly related to him giving other guys their opportunity. Had he sucked it up and played through it, maybe he could have been the man...of course, that didn't happen.
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