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If Rod Smith gets hurt or loses his starting job, he could put up nice numbers. I suppose he could also do ok fantasy wise even as the Bronco's #3 receiver. He made quite a play against the Seahawks last year.
Marshall is the starter. It's still in question whether Smith is going to be ready for the beginning of the season. Health is an issue, as FTRWRTR said, but the talent is also off the charts. I've been blogging about Marshall
McCaffrey did it from 1998-2000.ETA: Lelie was very close in 2004 - # 23
I'm too lazy to grab stats but off the top of my head , White Man Deluxe and Rod Smith has some solid seasons together. I've noticed even though Shanny loves to run the ball, when he does choose to pass its almost always vertical. Shanny doesn't waste his pass calls often on slants and short routes. He seems the exception to the rule.regarding Marshall, break-out year...I'm expecting WR2 numbers this season for a WR3/4 price.
Marshall would get there simply by producing at the same rate he did last year, and he wasn't starting in 2006 - what are the reasons you think his ceiling is that low?
So you are saying the Broncos are going to suck and Cutler wont even bust over 20 TD's? Because if those are Marshall's best possible #'s, then Cutler is in for a bad year.
One, I think Cutler will regress and not be as good as many think. With Javan Walker, Rod Smith, Brandon Stokley, Daniel Graham and Scheffler, I just don't see Marshall getting many TD's at all.
Marshall can get 50 catches and 550 yards in his sleep. Regarding TD's, he is 6 foot 4, 230 pounds and that is a pretty imposing red zone target. I can see him getting 6-8 TD's. He had a nice chemistry with Cutler and Walker will command a lot of attention, so Marshall has a great opportunity to show his talent. He will be much better just having the year of experience.
Mind stating your case for a Rookie QB who steadily improved and has better weapons than he did last year?
Okay, so let me get this straight, I may be low on yardage but under Cutler, Brandon Marshall in 5 games had 14 receptions, 233 yards and 1 TD. Prorate that for a season and Marshall can get: 44 receptions, 745 yards and 3.2 TD's. There are just too many other players: Rod Smith, Walker, Stokely, Scheffler and Graham that would make Brandon Marshall hit or miss EVERY SINGLE WEEK and would not be reliable. As such he is bye week filler material at best.As I previously said, Brandon Marshall is EXTREMELY OVERRATED.
Marshall had that pace AS A ROOKIE. He will improve as do most rookies. I think 55 for 800 yards, 6-8 TD's is easily achievable, if not more.
He was also their WR3, not WR2. And Cutler should be much improved as well. I think he's a good bet to outperform his ADP.
Rod Smith was playing with a very bad hip last year.I agree. This is the same team that had Rod Smith get 52/512/3 as the #2 with Plummer at QB for 2/3's of the season. To expect Marshall to do any less isAnthony Borbely said:
exactly. He's a 2nd year player in a starting spot on a good offense, potentially good QB, and is a big, athletic target. It's not like he's going to cost you a 7th rounder. I picked him up in the 13th round as my 5th wr in a recent mock.
Well that is obviously good value. Most people on here think he can peform at a WR2 level which is outrageous. He is WR4 AT BEST!
I guess I missed that somewhere.....In leagues he is not being taken to be more than a WR4, I don't know of any leagues where he is being selected as a WR2. His ADP suggests he will be a WR4 or WR5 on a fantasy team.
Well Rod Smith isn't even running yet coming off a hip surgury and is a PUP candidate, even IF he was healthy I think Marshall would still see more targets this year than his rookie season.Listen.., I was not big on Marshall at all last year after getting burnt on some other small school prospects ( Larry Brackins off the top of my head
). What Marshall showed he can do at the end of last year was undeniable, everyone knew he had the size and speed , now that hes shown he can put it all together , I dont see what the confusion is.Great QB longterm, and a WR1 to take double coverage away, I like the recipe.
Ahhh Brackins, the Randy Moss of the JC/CC ranks. Those guys always intrigue me because they might have skills that translate, we only find out once they get in a camp. DeDe Dorsey is looking like he's going to be one of the success stories coming out of NAIA to be the backup RB for the Colts.Listen.., I was not big on Marshall at all last year after getting burnt on some other small school prospects ( Larry Brackins off the top of my head
The leading yardage receivers in Cutler's five sarts were Marshall & Scheffler twice, and Walker only once.If there is any 1a its Marshall. Calling Walker 1b is actually a stretch based on who Cutler threw to last season.
You really need to cancel your account becasue you definately know ZERO about the Denver Broncos. Have you fitted Rod Smith's with some sort of super wheelchair that is going to put him in the starting lineup?
He's muuuuch more explosive/talented than Smith or Stokley. There's a good chance IMO that Smith hangs em up this year since he still can't even run. I don't know if you saw the games at the end of the year but he looked really good with Cutler in there. I'm not sure what you're looking at but Marshall is going off the board at WR47 around the 130th pick which puts him late in the 10th and I snagged him in the 12th and 13th in 2 recent mocks.
Stokely - a name that strikes fear into opposing DB's. The guy had one miracle year, but is going to show that he's merely an average WR without Manning throwing the ball (maybe you forgot about his Baltimore days).
Rookies never progress in year 2 or 3. I am sold!
Cutler threw 9 TD's in 5 games as a rookie and 5 of them were to TE's. I don't know how you can extrapolate TD distribution from 5 games of a rookie QB's season and say that more of the TD's won't go to WR's. If you want to extrapolate, why not use 29 passing TD's based on his pace last year? Personally, I think his high rate of TD's to TE's was a fluke last year and think he will throw at least 24 TD's - of which 18 will go to WR's. If anyone is over-rated it's Walker, who I think could lose out on targets to Marshall.
Do you know how long it's been since Den WRs have scored 18 TDs? 2000 was the last time it happened. Here are the WR vs TE TD numbers over the years:Year, WR/TE
Good post jurb. I think 18 from the wr's is high as well but I don't know that they've had the potential talent at the QB and WR positions in the time period you've mentioned either. My prediction will probably be about 9 td's from Walker and 5 from Marshall.
IMO, the Denver O w/ Cutler (and a full year to game plan around Cutler) will be closer to the Denver O w/ Griese than Plummer at the helm. Plummer was more of a mobile/bootleg/roll-out QB, and the offense Shanahan implemented over the past few years was designed to amplify those strengths. Griese, circa 2000, was a traditional pocket passing QB. Cutler seems to fall closer to Griese than Plummer style-wise. I think it could be fair to think the 2007 offense could reflect the 2000 offense.
Redraft, he should be taken as a 4/5.
Maybe so, I still think Stokely manages to steal more receptions than the fodder Den had playing WR3 in 2000 though:
Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Robert Brooks | 2 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 3 51 17.0 0 || Ed McCaffrey | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 101 1317 13.0 9 || Travis McGriff | 2 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 2 51 25.5 1 || Billy Miller | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 1 7 7.0 0 || Scottie Montgomery | 1 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 1 10 10.0 0 || Rod Smith | 16 | 6 99 16.5 1 | 100 1602 16.0 8 |I'm not expecting numbers quite as good as the 2000 season, but I feel Cutler is so much better (or will be) than Plummer that Plummer-era passing stats are almost irrelevant. Stokely is a wild card and I see his upside around 40/500/3, which depends on him staying healthy.
