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Cutler looked great as did Royal. Running game did ok and I think Marshall is such a beast. His yards after contact look terrific.

With Brady out, Moss is no longer the consensus #1 IMO. Wayne? could be. Owens? Could be. AJ, Edwards, Fitzgerald? Does Marshall have a shot even after missing one game?

 
Without Royal...he could have been. With Royal...his number of targets will drop by about 10-20%.

So, no, I don't think so.

 
He has just as good of a chance as Moss, Owens, Wayne to be the top receiver this year. Usually the #1 fantasy receiver (points-wise) runs away with it, so one game will not matter. This question should be answered before week 5.

 
Cutler locks into his WR 1. Last year it was Marshall and with Marshall out it was Royal in the first game.

I don't think it would be a shock to anyone if Marshall finished as WR 1. So is it possible? Yes.

 
It's not only possible Marshall will be #1 but with no Brady, Peyton looking rusty, the Cowboys lack of healthy WR's and Bree's loss of Colston I'd say Cutler has a chance to be #1 as well. I think we see a transformation of the Broncos from a running team to a passing team.

 
Cutler locks into his WR 1. Last year it was Marshall and with Marshall out it was Royal in the first game.I don't think it would be a shock to anyone if Marshall finished as WR 1. So is it possible? Yes.
this was probably due to marshall being the only option, more than cutler just locking in on him... with royal looking like a legit option and scheffler, hopefully, getting more snaps, i don't think cutler will have to force many balls to marshall this season... with that said, i still think it's possible for marshall to finish as WR1
 
He has a helluva shot to do it. I really really really really really really really really regret trading him away. But what's done is done.

 
Without Royal...he could have been. With Royal...his number of targets will drop by about 10-20%.So, no, I don't think so.
Royal has played one game in his entire career....let's not annoint him the next Jerry Rice just yet....I suspect he will have very pedestrian stats this week .....Not saying the kid isn't good....not saying he won't have a great career or even a very good season....just saying he won't go off like he did week 1 every week....
 
Without Royal...he could have been. With Royal...his number of targets will drop by about 10-20%.So, no, I don't think so.
Isn't it possible that Denver throws the ball more this year? They were 21st in attempts with 515, isn't it conceivable that they could increase their pass attempts by 10%? Their defense will stink, their running game IMO isn't close to what it was from a talent/line perspective, and their best talent is at the QB, WR and TE. Is it possible that Shanny will change the offense to suit the talent? It also may happen out of necessity because teams will be able to run on Denver and they will score a lot of points against them.Also, with more talent teams won't be able to solely focus on Marshall like they did last year so it may open him up to a better ypc and he'll certainly have more redzone opps than last year.
 
Watching Cutler on Monday night, i noticed that he STARES at the guy he's throwing to and doesn't even make any effort to look away to try and fool the defense. There were several times on Monday when he just stared at Royal the entire route and threw it to him. Does he always do this? I would imagine that would be easy for the defense to figure out no? Maybe I am just not used to watching him or maybe he just did it Monday, but it was something I noticed a few times. So yes, if he just stares at Marshall 140 times this year, he can be the #1 WR.

 
Watching Cutler on Monday night, i noticed that he STARES at the guy he's throwing to and doesn't even make any effort to look away to try and fool the defense. There were several times on Monday when he just stared at Royal the entire route and threw it to him. Does he always do this? I would imagine that would be easy for the defense to figure out no? Maybe I am just not used to watching him or maybe he just did it Monday, but it was something I noticed a few times. So yes, if he just stares at Marshall 140 times this year, he can be the #1 WR.
that's what he did all season with Marshall last year. He's deadly accurate and has a cannon for an arm so it enables him to quickly fit the ball into small spaces when there's an opening. His accuracy and ability to put the ball in a good spot also feeds perfectly into Marshall RAC ability. If he's locking onto you = $. It could be scary what these guys can do especially if the defense will be as bad as I think it will be....
 
It's not only possible Marshall will be #1 but with no Brady, Peyton looking rusty, the Cowboys lack of healthy WR's and Bree's loss of Colston I'd say Cutler has a chance to be #1 as well. I think we see a transformation of the Broncos from a running team to a passing team.
Brees had a pretty darn good game last week while barely utilizing Colston.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Reggie Bush caught the most passes in the league this year. Not just for RBs, but the entire league.

 
It's not only possible Marshall will be #1 but with no Brady, Peyton looking rusty, the Cowboys lack of healthy WR's and Bree's loss of Colston I'd say Cutler has a chance to be #1 as well. I think we see a transformation of the Broncos from a running team to a passing team.
Brees had a pretty darn good game last week while barely utilizing Colston.
Yes but Colston was playing which means the defense accounted for him which helps open up space for Bush and Shockey. I'm not sure if losing Colston will hamper Brees yardage much but he's losing a big goal line target.
 
I think he can. In fact, I'm so sure of it I traded Tomlinson and Roddy White for him and Marshawn Lynch a few hours ago.

 
Like Calvin Johnson, Marshall is simply uncoverable. To answer the question, he has a chance to end up at WR1 without too much of a reach.

 
WarRedbirds said:
Without Royal...he could have been. With Royal...his number of targets will drop by about 10-20%.So, no, I don't think so.
His targets were in line to drop by more than 20%, anyway, simply due to regression to the mean. Marshall had an ABSURD number of targets last season. Outside of Fitzgerald and Holt, getting 160+ targets doesn't seem to be a repeatable skill.
 
WarRedbirds said:
Without Royal...he could have been. With Royal...his number of targets will drop by about 10-20%.So, no, I don't think so.
His targets were in line to drop by more than 20%, anyway, simply due to regression to the mean. Marshall had an ABSURD number of targets last season. Outside of Fitzgerald and Holt, getting 160+ targets doesn't seem to be a repeatable skill.
ssog, respect your opinion, but you gotta stop with the targets percentage drop about Marshall. Everyone understands he won't get 160 targets again.But at this point if you cant see that he and Calvin are the two premier young stud WR's in the NFL, then i dont know if you'll ever change your mind. These two will be staples as Top 3-5 fantasy WR's for the next 10 tears. Weren't you the one debating for Javon while everyone was silly over Marshall last year?
 
WarRedbirds said:
Without Royal...he could have been. With Royal...his number of targets will drop by about 10-20%.So, no, I don't think so.
His targets were in line to drop by more than 20%, anyway, simply due to regression to the mean. Marshall had an ABSURD number of targets last season. Outside of Fitzgerald and Holt, getting 160+ targets doesn't seem to be a repeatable skill.
He may not get 170 and lead the league but should still be top 5 and easily get 150+. You nor anyone knows what his mean or his upside is for that matter. Good players, unstoppable players get targetted a lot and Marshall fits that bill especially unique ones with his skillset. His RAC ability lead to him getting the ball thrown to him at the line of scrimmage a couple times each game toward the end of the year to see if he could beat his corner 1 on 1 when they played off him. They used it very effectively almost like a running play. He'll be right up there with Fitz, Holt target wise come the end of the season and exceed Holt and be very close if not ahead of Fitz fantasy wise.ETA...I could see the regression argument made for Housh/Mason/Welker for various reasons but not Marshall.
 
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I hope so - the last half of the season last year he had better consistency numbers than all but RMoss I believe....

 
The Broncos OL isn't as good as NEs or DALs. You are going to see some disappointing games mixed in with some monster ones. Atleast thats my opinion.

 
WarRedbirds said:
Without Royal...he could have been. With Royal...his number of targets will drop by about 10-20%.So, no, I don't think so.
His targets were in line to drop by more than 20%, anyway, simply due to regression to the mean. Marshall had an ABSURD number of targets last season. Outside of Fitzgerald and Holt, getting 160+ targets doesn't seem to be a repeatable skill.
ssog, respect your opinion, but you gotta stop with the targets percentage drop about Marshall. Everyone understands he won't get 160 targets again.But at this point if you cant see that he and Calvin are the two premier young stud WR's in the NFL, then i dont know if you'll ever change your mind. These two will be staples as Top 3-5 fantasy WR's for the next 10 tears. Weren't you the one debating for Javon while everyone was silly over Marshall last year?
He sure was. I wonder if he's still not sold on Marshall.
 
The Broncos OL isn't as good as NEs or DALs. You are going to see some disappointing games mixed in with some monster ones. Atleast thats my opinion.
What makes you say that? The Dallas one I can agree with, but NE? Denver has shown no sign of OL ineptitude yet this year and is healthier than last year's unit. Combine that with the fact that many of their passes are predicated on play action and misdirection aimed at getting the QB out on the edge and buying more time and I don't see how you think their OL will falter.

 
What makes Marshall special is that he's so fun to watch. If you own him, you're riveted to every play of every Broncos offensive series.

 
The top wr always has a lot of touchdowns, and Marshall has not proven he can score a lot yet. It is possible though.
Marshall didn't score a lot last year in the red zone and neither did the Bronco's, they were terrible. In the beginning of the year I believe they used Walker as their red zone threat and as the season went on Marshall took a larger and larger role. Consider...Marshall had 2 td catches over his first 9 games last year and 5 over the last 7 games. Was it due to the fact that the figured out how to use him better? Targetted him more? Luck of the draw? Also, if you watch the games there were a number of times that he got tackled right at the goal line.Whatever the reason I have no doubt that he'll be a very good red zone target, he's big (6' 4" - 230), strong, tremendous leaper and fast.

For those of you that haven't seen this... Marshall highlights from '07 enjoy!! Keep in mind that this is essentially one season's work...90%+ of the wr's in the NFL don't have a highlight film like this in a career.

 
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WarRedbirds said:
Without Royal...he could have been. With Royal...his number of targets will drop by about 10-20%.So, no, I don't think so.
His targets were in line to drop by more than 20%, anyway, simply due to regression to the mean. Marshall had an ABSURD number of targets last season. Outside of Fitzgerald and Holt, getting 160+ targets doesn't seem to be a repeatable skill.
ssog, respect your opinion, but you gotta stop with the targets percentage drop about Marshall. Everyone understands he won't get 160 targets again.But at this point if you cant see that he and Calvin are the two premier young stud WR's in the NFL, then i dont know if you'll ever change your mind. These two will be staples as Top 3-5 fantasy WR's for the next 10 tears. Weren't you the one debating for Javon while everyone was silly over Marshall last year?
Define young stud WRs. Is he an elite up-and-comer? Absolutely. Are he and Johnson the two best young WRs in the league right now? Lee Evans, Santonio Holmes, and Marques Colston would have something to say in the matter, but they're in the conversation. Regardless, I don't get the backlash- I wasn't saying that Marshall can't be a top-5 fantasy WR, merely that his targets were in line to regress. By your own admission, you agree with the point.As for last year... last year, I argued that Marshall was overrated and that, while he would one day be great, at the moment he was still plagued by the inconsistency of youth and that there were 20 WRs I'd rather have over him in a game played tomorrow (by the end of the year, he'd climbed up in my estimation and that list shrunk to 15 or so). Do I still feel that way this year? I don't know- I haven't seen Marshall on the field yet.
The Broncos OL isn't as good as NEs or DALs. You are going to see some disappointing games mixed in with some monster ones. Atleast thats my opinion.
I don't think it's any worse than last year.
It's much, much better than last year. Last year's line was decimated by injuries. 4 of the 5 starters from last year either retired, are no longer with the team, or are buried on the depth chart (the fifth got shifted from LG to RG by the returning Ben Hamilton). Last year's line was essentially a second string line to this year's first string.
The top wr always has a lot of touchdowns, and Marshall has not proven he can score a lot yet. It is possible though.
TD as a matter of circumstance. If one has the yards and catches, eventually the TDs will start coming in.
To some extent, yes. To some extent, no. Some players score more TDs due to usage patterns (see Owens, Terrell). Some score fewer (see the Smiths, Rod and Jimmy). It remains to be seen whether Marshall falls in with the former or the latter. On the one hand, he has ideal measurables for a red zone target. On the other, Shanahan has never relied heavily on his WRs in the red zone. Marshall also has a lot of competition at the stripe, both from the RBs (both rushing and, very quietly, receiving) and from Tony Scheffler (who, unlike Putzier, hasn't had his blocking deficiencies keep him off the field in the red zone- almost all of his scores have been red zone grabs).I think Marshall is far more likely to get 1400 yards than he is to get 12 TDs, and without those 12 TDs, he'll be hard pressed to be the #1 fantasy WR. I think top 5 is realistic, but #1 is a stretch.
 
Define young stud WRs. Is he an elite up-and-comer? Absolutely. Are he and Johnson the two best young WRs in the league right now? Lee Evans, Santonio Holmes, and Marques Colston would have something to say in the matter, but they're in the conversation. Regardless, I don't get the backlash- I wasn't saying that Marshall can't be a top-5 fantasy WR, merely that his targets were in line to regress. By your own admission, you agree with the point.
You've mentioned target regression a few times but guys like elite wr's like Chad Johnson (154, 158, 155, 154, 160), Fitz, Wayne (113, 122, 137, 156), Holt all have consistent target stats and when there is variability it's usually due to injury, QB injury or some palpable factor. I'm not sure what would work against Marshall where he would have a big regression. I guess I should ask what you think his targets will be because it could all be a moot point. I think he ends up with 150+ so if he got 150, that would be a 10%+ regression.....As far as those other guys in the conversation...Evans QB and consistency is still a question mark, Colston is great and Holmes will still suffer from low targets (but he'll hit homeruns when he gets them).Not to drudge up all the stuff from last year but you acted as if he were essentially a place holder until Walker was healthy, that Walker was the red zone guy, that Marshall had low target/catch ratio or some silly thing. As the season went on you changed your tune though (his stats were too good not to).
 
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menobrown said:
It's not only possible Marshall will be #1 but with no Brady, Peyton looking rusty, the Cowboys lack of healthy WR's and Bree's loss of Colston I'd say Cutler has a chance to be #1 as well. I think we see a transformation of the Broncos from a running team to a passing team.
:thumbdown: Cutler owner?
 
Define young stud WRs. Is he an elite up-and-comer? Absolutely. Are he and Johnson the two best young WRs in the league right now? Lee Evans, Santonio Holmes, and Marques Colston would have something to say in the matter, but they're in the conversation. Regardless, I don't get the backlash- I wasn't saying that Marshall can't be a top-5 fantasy WR, merely that his targets were in line to regress. By your own admission, you agree with the point.
You've mentioned target regression a few times but guys like elite wr's like Chad Johnson (154, 158, 155, 154, 160), Fitz, Wayne (113, 122, 137, 156), Holt all have consistent target stats and when there is variability it's usually due to injury, QB injury or some palpable factor. I'm not sure what would work against Marshall where he would have a big regression. I guess I should ask what you think his targets will be because it could all be a moot point. I think he ends up with 150+ so if he got 150, that would be a 10%+ regression.....As far as those other guys in the conversation...Evans QB and consistency is still a question mark, Colston is great and Holmes will still suffer from low targets (but he'll hit homeruns when he gets them).Not to drudge up all the stuff from last year but you acted as if he were essentially a place holder until Walker was healthy, that Walker was the red zone guy, that Marshall had low target/catch ratio or some silly thing. As the season went on you changed your tune though (his stats were too good not to).
Look at those targets you posted for Wayne- only one season of 150+ grabs. You sure he's an example you want to use? Also curious how Evan's QB situation has anything to do with how good of a WR Evans is- I'm not talking fantasy WR, I'm talking NFL WR, and Evans is just as good of a WR with Losman or Edwards as he'd be with Brady. He'd just be more productive with Brady.My stance last year was that Marshall wasn't elite YET. Yes, I said that Walker was a better threat in the red zone (the numbers bear it out- Walker is the most successful red-zone WR this side of Larry Fitzgerald). I also said that, when healthy, Walker was better than Marshall. I stand by that claim, as well- Walker in '06 was better than Marshall in '07, in my opinion. I haven't changed my tune in the slightest- last year, Marshall was regarded as an elite WR, when in reality he was a young and inconsistent WR who would one day become an elite WR.
 
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WarRedbirds said:
Without Royal...he could have been. With Royal...his number of targets will drop by about 10-20%.So, no, I don't think so.
I would think Royal would only help Marshall.
I hope Royal helps. If you do the math on 10-20% decrease, however, Marshall had, off the top of my head, 170 targets, that means 153 and 136 as the ceiling and floor, respectively. I think that is a fair point. But let's also rememeber Welker got his in the Pats offense, and probably helped Moss. I know the Bronco's offense is not in the same category (who ever has been?) but I just say it to indicate that if the Bronco's do become a pass first team the opportunity is there to succeed with another WR that is productive in the offense. Maybe the Cardinals are a better example. Will Marshall approach Moss' numbers? Suffice to say, probably not, since they were records. Can he finish 1? Why not? I think Marshall is a close-to-elite talent and has a emerging QB. Combine that with last years numbers and the outlook is positive.ETA to reflect better numbers closer to his actual targets.
 
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menobrown said:
It's not only possible Marshall will be #1 but with no Brady, Peyton looking rusty, the Cowboys lack of healthy WR's and Bree's loss of Colston I'd say Cutler has a chance to be #1 as well. I think we see a transformation of the Broncos from a running team to a passing team.
:thumbdown: Cutler owner?
Brees owner
 
WarRedbirds said:
Without Royal...he could have been. With Royal...his number of targets will drop by about 10-20%.So, no, I don't think so.
That's backwards thinking.
 
Define young stud WRs. Is he an elite up-and-comer? Absolutely. Are he and Johnson the two best young WRs in the league right now? Lee Evans, Santonio Holmes, and Marques Colston would have something to say in the matter, but they're in the conversation. Regardless, I don't get the backlash- I wasn't saying that Marshall can't be a top-5 fantasy WR, merely that his targets were in line to regress. By your own admission, you agree with the point.
You've mentioned target regression a few times but guys like elite wr's like Chad Johnson (154, 158, 155, 154, 160), Fitz, Wayne (113, 122, 137, 156), Holt all have consistent target stats and when there is variability it's usually due to injury, QB injury or some palpable factor. I'm not sure what would work against Marshall where he would have a big regression. I guess I should ask what you think his targets will be because it could all be a moot point. I think he ends up with 150+ so if he got 150, that would be a 10%+ regression.....As far as those other guys in the conversation...Evans QB and consistency is still a question mark, Colston is great and Holmes will still suffer from low targets (but he'll hit homeruns when he gets them).Not to drudge up all the stuff from last year but you acted as if he were essentially a place holder until Walker was healthy, that Walker was the red zone guy, that Marshall had low target/catch ratio or some silly thing. As the season went on you changed your tune though (his stats were too good not to).
Look at those targets you posted for Wayne- only one season of 150+ grabs. You sure he's an example you want to use? Also curious how Evan's QB situation has anything to do with how good of a WR Evans is- I'm not talking fantasy WR, I'm talking NFL WR, and Evans is just as good of a WR with Losman or Edwards as he'd be with Brady. He'd just be more productive with Brady.My stance last year was that Marshall wasn't elite YET. Yes, I said that Walker was a better threat in the red zone (the numbers bear it out- Walker is the most successful red-zone WR this side of Larry Fitzgerald). I also said that, when healthy, Walker was better than Marshall. I stand by that claim, as well- Walker in '06 was better than Marshall in '07, in my opinion. I haven't changed my tune in the slightest- last year, Marshall was regarded as an elite WR, when in reality he was a young and inconsistent WR who would one day become an elite WR.
Waynes targets are an ascension due to him grabbing a progessivley larger bite of the offense as marvin wanes. It was to show that targets don't always decrease but you're right that wasn't the best and a different discussion. When discussing targets and such I thought it was assumed that we were talking fantasy as this is a FF board. I don't debate that Evans may be a good nfl wr but FF wise he has his warts (as does holmes to a lesser extent) and its kind of pointless to debate their NFL skills at this point since their situations are what they are for the time being. I think last year Marshall started the year as a "could be elite" due to his talent and of course he wasn't elite to start the year since he was a first year starter and second year player but mid way through the season on he was as good and dominant as anyone outside Randy. Everyone in the stadium knew he was getting the ball yet no one could stop it. What are your target projections for Marshall?
 
Without Royal...he could have been. With Royal...his number of targets will drop by about 10-20%.So, no, I don't think so.
That's backwards thinking.
I guess I'm hijacking a little, but it does have to do with Royal and Marshall. Does anyone have any numbers to show one way or another if adding a solid WR#2 improves the numbers of WR#1? I see this discussed a lot, but I see two ways of looking at it: 1) it will help WR#1 because defenses have to respect the talent of WR#2, and won't be able to double team WR#1, or 2) it will hurt WR#1 because there will be more targets going to WR#2 that would've otherwise been going to WR#1.Just thinking about it, I would vote that option #1 usually plays out (improving WR#1), because an increase in plays going to WR#2 doesn't necessarily mean less plays to WR#1. It could mean less plays going to the different options in the offensive scheme (TEs, passes to RBs, etc). And, if I were an offensive playcaller, I would take advantage from the lessened defense on WR#1 to keep throwing it his way as much as possible. Anything I'm missing? Any numbers to back this up one way or the other?
 
Basically, he's TO, only tougher. He's also every bit the head case. Only Brandon will stop Brandon from becoming top 5.

It sounds cliche, but "sky is the limit" with brandon.

Get on board now, the price will only go up from this point on. There aren't too many "sure things" any more in fantasy football. I think he's one of them.

Plus, Cutler is coming into his own. Not only is he a exceptional receiver, he's got a potential superstar throwing him the ball.

the stars are lining up.

 
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I guess I'm hijacking a little, but it does have to do with Royal and Marshall. Does anyone have any numbers to show one way or another if adding a solid WR#2 improves the numbers of WR#1? I see this discussed a lot, but I see two ways of looking at it: 1) it will help WR#1 because defenses have to respect the talent of WR#2, and won't be able to double team WR#1, or 2) it will hurt WR#1 because there will be more targets going to WR#2 that would've otherwise been going to WR#1.Just thinking about it, I would vote that option #1 usually plays out (improving WR#1), because an increase in plays going to WR#2 doesn't necessarily mean less plays to WR#1. It could mean less plays going to the different options in the offensive scheme (TEs, passes to RBs, etc). And, if I were an offensive playcaller, I would take advantage from the lessened defense on WR#1 to keep throwing it his way as much as possible. Anything I'm missing? Any numbers to back this up one way or the other?
I expect Marshall's Rec and possibly Yards to decrease slightly from last year with the addition of Royal. But.....I expect the offense in general to be more efficient, thus creating more yards across the board and more TD opportunities for Marshall. This scenario "makes room" for Royal statistically, but also should keep Marshall's fantasy value just as high as ever because of an increase in TDs. And I expect the Broncos to score lots of TDs this year.
 
Sure, he can be the NO. 1 fantasy WR. He's going to have to have a monster season from here on out to beat guys like Randy Moss, Terell Owens, and Reggie Wayne but anything is possible.

If we were in Vegas and there were odds on who would be the No. 1 WR in FF, just like there's odds for teams to win the SB and you could bet on that, I'd look at the odds for Plaxico Buress.

I've picked up Buress and Marshall in multiple leagues in round 3 and 4. If Plaxico doesn't get injured, he's the guy I think gets the crown. Not that he was going to beat Moss last year with those numbers, but Plaxico was a close 2nd before that strange injury he got and without Moss having Brady, a healthy Buress will be tough to beat.

 

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