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....It sure looked like it to me...
On the other hand...
Eddie Royal played like a trooper!
....It sure looked like it to me...
On the other hand...
Eddie Royal played like a trooper!
If anyone watched the game, Marshall had an insane 80-something yard TD that was called back because of a total BS offensive PI. Couldn't have helped his frustration level. (Might be mentioned in the article, didn't read it ...)
Rome has one of those egos.Rome was talking about this a little today.With these elite-talented WRs that have planet-sized egos, it seems like if you don't get them heavily involved in the first few series, they seem to flake out for the rest of the game.TO, Chad Johnson, Moss, Marshall, Andre Johnson (not a big ego but this seems to apply to him sometimes too)it's almost like you should absolutely commit to throwing one pass to these guys on the first series, as sad as that sounds.
I wasn't aware I was making an excuse? Just noting that if a guy was already frustrated due to coverage, lack of involvement, etc., having a play like that go against you is not going to help.If anyone watched the game, Marshall had an insane 80-something yard TD that was called back because of a total BS offensive PI. Couldn't have helped his frustration level. (Might be mentioned in the article, didn't read it ...)When will people stop making excuses for players (and especially WR's) behaving like infants?
Well guilty as charged then because when I played I wanted the damn ball too!Rome was talking about this a little today.With these elite-talented WRs that have planet-sized egos, it seems like if you don't get them heavily involved in the first few series, they seem to flake out for the rest of the game.TO, Chad Johnson, Moss, Marshall, Andre Johnson (not a big ego but this seems to apply to him sometimes too)it's almost like you should absolutely commit to throwing one pass to these guys on the first series, as sad as that sounds.
Help what?I wasn't aware I was making an excuse? Just noting that if a guy was already frustrated due to coverage, lack of involvement, etc., having a play like that go against you is not going to help.If anyone watched the game, Marshall had an insane 80-something yard TD that was called back because of a total BS offensive PI. Couldn't have helped his frustration level. (Might be mentioned in the article, didn't read it ...)When will people stop making excuses for players (and especially WR's) behaving like infants?
Well guilty as charged then because when I played I wanted the damn ball too!Rome was talking about this a little today.With these elite-talented WRs that have planet-sized egos, it seems like if you don't get them heavily involved in the first few series, they seem to flake out for the rest of the game.TO, Chad Johnson, Moss, Marshall, Andre Johnson (not a big ego but this seems to apply to him sometimes too)it's almost like you should absolutely commit to throwing one pass to these guys on the first series, as sad as that sounds.
there's a difference between always wanting the ball, and sleepwalking through the game if you don't get it early.Well guilty as charged then because when I played I wanted the damn ball too!Rome was talking about this a little today.With these elite-talented WRs that have planet-sized egos, it seems like if you don't get them heavily involved in the first few series, they seem to flake out for the rest of the game.TO, Chad Johnson, Moss, Marshall, Andre Johnson (not a big ego but this seems to apply to him sometimes too)it's almost like you should absolutely commit to throwing one pass to these guys on the first series, as sad as that sounds.
I'd have no problem with that.It is kind of ####ty how WR's get the "ego" label. Does anyone think that an elite level RB wouldn't be crying if he only got 5 carries in a game?Rome was talking about this a little today.
With these elite-talented WRs that have planet-sized egos, it seems like if you don't get them heavily involved in the first few series, they seem to flake out for the rest of the game.
TO, Chad Johnson, Moss, Marshall, Andre Johnson (not a big ego but this seems to apply to him sometimes too)
it's almost like you should absolutely commit to throwing one pass to these guys on the first series, as sad as that sounds.
I'm not sure what your are trying to get at? My post was pretty clear and I'm not going to re-type the same sentence that stated my point. But if you insist on needing a direct object, it will not help a player's frustration level.Help what?I wasn't aware I was making an excuse? Just noting that if a guy was already frustrated due to coverage, lack of involvement, etc., having a play like that go against you is not going to help.If anyone watched the game, Marshall had an insane 80-something yard TD that was called back because of a total BS offensive PI. Couldn't have helped his frustration level. (Might be mentioned in the article, didn't read it ...)When will people stop making excuses for players (and especially WR's) behaving like infants?
What makes you think Marshall is soft? He is always trying to break tackles and likes going over the middle.As a Colts fan I always thought that Harrison was soft because he avoided contact, and seldom gets yards after contact, and that was from the very beginning of his career. The thing about Harrison is that he was smarter than any WR in the league to go along with all that talent. He knows how to gain yds and go down. I also think that Marshall is soft, but he has a better body than Harrison. The problem is, is that he is stupid.
Right, he gets frustrated easily, just like an infant. What a pro!I'm not sure what your are trying to get at? My post was pretty clear and I'm not going to re-type the same sentence that stated my point. But if you insist on needing a direct object, it will not help a player's frustration level.Help what?I wasn't aware I was making an excuse? Just noting that if a guy was already frustrated due to coverage, lack of involvement, etc., having a play like that go against you is not going to help.If anyone watched the game, Marshall had an insane 80-something yard TD that was called back because of a total BS offensive PI. Couldn't have helped his frustration level. (Might be mentioned in the article, didn't read it ...)When will people stop making excuses for players (and especially WR's) behaving like infants?
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. You talk about how Harrison is smart, delve into some quasi-homo-eroticism, and then talk about how Marshall is stupid, all the while calling both players soft... I'm truly lost.As a Colts fan I always thought that Harrison was soft because he avoided contact, and seldom gets yards after contact, and that was from the very beginning of his career. The thing about Harrison is that he was smarter than any WR in the league to go along with all that talent. He knows how to gain yds and go down. I also think that Marshall is soft, but he has a better body than Harrison. The problem is, is that he is stupid.
What makes you think Marshall is soft? He is always trying to break tackles and likes going over the middle.As a Colts fan I always thought that Harrison was soft because he avoided contact, and seldom gets yards after contact, and that was from the very beginning of his career. The thing about Harrison is that he was smarter than any WR in the league to go along with all that talent. He knows how to gain yds and go down. I also think that Marshall is soft, but he has a better body than Harrison. The problem is, is that he is stupid.
If you played in the NFL you would soon realize that players who take a lot of hits don't last long. The smart play is to be as effective as you can be without taking major hits. Players like Harrison and Rice are smart dudes. Only an idiot would respect players based on how much they get hit.Hoss_Cartwright said:As a Colts fan I always thought that Harrison was soft because he avoided contact, and seldom gets yards after contact, and that was from the very beginning of his career. The thing about Harrison is that he was smarter than any WR in the league to go along with all that talent. He knows how to gain yds and go down. I also think that Marshall is soft, but he has a better body than Harrison. The problem is, is that he is stupid.
or dish them out?Hines Ward, anyone?If you played in the NFL you would soon realize that players who take a lot of hits don't last long. The smart play is to be as effective as you can be without taking major hits. Players like Harrison and Rice are smart dudes. Only an idiot would respect players based on how much they get hit.Hoss_Cartwright said:As a Colts fan I always thought that Harrison was soft because he avoided contact, and seldom gets yards after contact, and that was from the very beginning of his career. The thing about Harrison is that he was smarter than any WR in the league to go along with all that talent. He knows how to gain yds and go down. I also think that Marshall is soft, but he has a better body than Harrison. The problem is, is that he is stupid.
You might as well be describing week 2, when Marshall had 18 receptions and 20 targets.I don't recall anyone disparaging Cutler's play then, and certainly no Marshall owners were complaining.Judge Smails said:Much ado about nothin'. I watched every play. Cutler was HORRIBLE the first half. I mean it looked like he's never played QB before. He dropped back and just locked in a receiver. It looked like every throw that was close enough to a receiver was gonna get picked. I thought the Miami D did a great job locking down Marshall. Sure he was frustrated, by the D, and by Cutler. But he didn't go TO on anybody. And he was pissed about the weak offensive pass interference call, but no more than Cutler or Shanny. Anybody thinking Marshall is soft does not no the game - kid can take and give some hits. I for one can't wait to see big mouth Porter get his bell rung.
with what, his index finger. there was hardly any contact on that play, nowhere near a sufficient amount to throw a flag for. he extended his arm from what i remember and his index finger was the only part of his arm that made contact after 5 yards. my friend who is a big fins fan also agreed it was a horrid call fwiw.It is kinda of funny, there would be no talk of Brandon Marshall quitting if that pass interference call is not called. After watching the replay, I have no probelm with the penalty being called, he did push off but it could just as easily not been called.
after the play, the fustration level from Cutler/Marshall told me the game was over.If anyone watched the game, Marshall had an insane 80-something yard TD that was called back because of a total BS offensive PI. Couldn't have helped his frustration level. (Might be mentioned in the article, didn't read it ...)
it wasn't that he quit, Brandon just tried to avoid a hit and alligator armed the catch.thatguy said:There was only one play that I noticed where it seemed like he quit... On Denver's last drive Cutler threw it to him over the middle and a defender was zeroing in on him. He seemed to give up on the ball entirely even though it was quite catchable and instead leveled the DB who was closing in on him. It pissed me off and I have no idea why he did it. Other than that, I thought he played as hard as you can play.
:( writers need jobs too I guess. QUIT on his team? He's a young emerging star. It's not gonna all be 20 catch games. I just hopes he learns from this and sees how they defended him. I mean Porter is an ###, but he and the phins D is GOOD and intimidating. Non story really.I love his talent but he has a lot of maturity still to learn in front of him. I'm not sure he quit but he was frustrated for sure.
I bet Hines Ward would love to light up porter.Judge Smails said:Much ado about nothin'. I watched every play. Cutler was HORRIBLE the first half. I mean it looked like he's never played QB before. He dropped back and just locked in a receiver. It looked like every throw that was close enough to a receiver was gonna get picked. I thought the Miami D did a great job locking down Marshall. Sure he was frustrated, by the D, and by Cutler. But he didn't go TO on anybody. And he was pissed about the weak offensive pass interference call, but no more than Cutler or Shanny. Anybody thinking Marshall is soft does not no the game - kid can take and give some hits. I for one can't wait to see big mouth Porter get his bell rung.
The "he is stupid" comment really had nothing to do with his play. He's just stupidthatguy said:I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. You talk about how Harrison is smart, delve into some quasi-homo-eroticism, and then talk about how Marshall is stupid, all the while calling both players soft... I'm truly lost.Hoss_Cartwright said:As a Colts fan I always thought that Harrison was soft because he avoided contact, and seldom gets yards after contact, and that was from the very beginning of his career. The thing about Harrison is that he was smarter than any WR in the league to go along with all that talent. He knows how to gain yds and go down. I also think that Marshall is soft, but he has a better body than Harrison. The problem is, is that he is stupid.
Well, I guess we can agree to disagree, because in the game I was watching, he DID quit on the ball. Making a half-a** attempt to reel it in is as good as quitting. However, it was awesome when he knocked the DB flat on his behind. Regardless, I agree with your assessment in that not only Marshall, but Cutler and the rest of the team, were mired in frustration. It would hard for anyone to concentrate given the state of affairs they were in.with what, his index finger. there was hardly any contact on that play, nowhere near a sufficient amount to throw a flag for. he extended his arm from what i remember and his index finger was the only part of his arm that made contact after 5 yards. my friend who is a big fins fan also agreed it was a horrid call fwiw.It is kinda of funny, there would be no talk of Brandon Marshall quitting if that pass interference call is not called. After watching the replay, I have no probelm with the penalty being called, he did push off but it could just as easily not been called.after the play, the fustration level from Cutler/Marshall told me the game was over.If anyone watched the game, Marshall had an insane 80-something yard TD that was called back because of a total BS offensive PI. Couldn't have helped his frustration level. (Might be mentioned in the article, didn't read it ...)it wasn't that he quit, Brandon just tried to avoid a hit and alligator armed the catch.thatguy said:There was only one play that I noticed where it seemed like he quit... On Denver's last drive Cutler threw it to him over the middle and a defender was zeroing in on him. He seemed to give up on the ball entirely even though it was quite catchable and instead leveled the DB who was closing in on him. It pissed me off and I have no idea why he did it. Other than that, I thought he played as hard as you can play.
That style has worked for Harrison and like you said he'd probably be done if not for it. It may be boring at times, but no one can question it's effectiveness... and that soft-go-down-immediately style did lead to that TD in the playoff game against Denver when no Bronco defender touched him on what was probably the laziest and boneheaded defensive play I've ever seen. And to be clear I was really just messing with you with my post... But I'm still not getting the whole 'Marshall is soft' thing. I've watched every game of his career and at least the way I see it he's the antithesis of soft. If you want to call him stupid, I guess that's your prerogative - I'll just say he's not the brightest guy in the world and leave it at that. But I'm not sure he's stupid - he just has deeply rooted maturity issues.The "he is stupid" comment really had nothing to do with his play. He's just stupidthatguy said:I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. You talk about how Harrison is smart, delve into some quasi-homo-eroticism, and then talk about how Marshall is stupid, all the while calling both players soft... I'm truly lost.Hoss_Cartwright said:As a Colts fan I always thought that Harrison was soft because he avoided contact, and seldom gets yards after contact, and that was from the very beginning of his career. The thing about Harrison is that he was smarter than any WR in the league to go along with all that talent. He knows how to gain yds and go down. I also think that Marshall is soft, but he has a better body than Harrison. The problem is, is that he is stupid.Yes, Harrison is smart by avoiding contact after the catch, but I hate that style of play, but given Harrison's body type, it has served him well. However, the end is near for Harrison.
I was that way on the football field too. Yelling at coaches, teammates, officials, ball boys - I recall one exchange after getting yanked -Coach: "WHAT ARE YOU DOING? HIT THE F-ING HOLE!" Me: "I DIDN'T SEE A F-ING HOLE!""DID YOU SEE THE THREE YARD LOSS WHEN YOU CUT OUTSIDE?""IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FOUR IF I HADN'T""GET OUTTA HERE."I don't recall getting the ball much that game...On the basketball court I was a freaking church mouse... go figure.I yelled at my coach in a HS game from the field once because we weren't throwing the ball enough.
I don't think there's a player I dislike more than Joey Porter. He may be a solid player but he's a loser. I can't stand the guy.The DENVER writer wrote an article trashing the local star based entirely on Joey Porter comments. WOW! Makes sense. Porter is so reputable............Marshall didn't quit and was smart not to hang around after the game to jaw with Porter. Porter is an idiot and Marshall is the one with everything to lose in that situation. The writer is an idiot basing his story on Porter comments..........
Interesting. I wanted to win games.Well guilty as charged then because when I played I wanted the damn ball too!Rome was talking about this a little today.With these elite-talented WRs that have planet-sized egos, it seems like if you don't get them heavily involved in the first few series, they seem to flake out for the rest of the game.TO, Chad Johnson, Moss, Marshall, Andre Johnson (not a big ego but this seems to apply to him sometimes too)it's almost like you should absolutely commit to throwing one pass to these guys on the first series, as sad as that sounds.
If you can buy low on Marshall right now you absolutely should. But I really don't think many people will be selling low.It's not always just one thing with football, I think it cuts deeper than just the futile run game. They need Scheff back to open up the middle of the field. A good TE is a WRs best friend in many cases. Ask Witten/TO, Daniels/AJ, Clark/Wayne, Winslow/Edwards, Shockey/Colston, etc, etc.
One example, take away a guy like Shockey from Plaxico - what you get are a lot more safeties over the top to prevent the deep ball, hence Plax's low TD total this year compared to past seasons.
This game is all about personnel and mismatches. In the NBA, you need 3 big time players to get it done. On offense, if you have 3 legitimate weapons, you can impose your will most times. Stokley and Darrell/Nate Jackson aren't going to scare anybody. Marshall and Royal is not enough right now because the run game is not there. But if Scheffler gets back, it will change the matchups that defenses want to take away - Marshall.
Buy low.
I for one will not sell Marshall low, but I also agree that the loss of Scheffler has hurt the entire offense.... Would also help if Cutler could show the ability to go through reads/progressions instead of locking onto a guy from the snapIf you can buy low on Marshall right now you absolutely should. But I really don't think many people will be selling low.It's not always just one thing with football, I think it cuts deeper than just the futile run game. They need Scheff back to open up the middle of the field. A good TE is a WRs best friend in many cases. Ask Witten/TO, Daniels/AJ, Clark/Wayne, Winslow/Edwards, Shockey/Colston, etc, etc.
One example, take away a guy like Shockey from Plaxico - what you get are a lot more safeties over the top to prevent the deep ball, hence Plax's low TD total this year compared to past seasons.
This game is all about personnel and mismatches. In the NBA, you need 3 big time players to get it done. On offense, if you have 3 legitimate weapons, you can impose your will most times. Stokley and Darrell/Nate Jackson aren't going to scare anybody. Marshall and Royal is not enough right now because the run game is not there. But if Scheffler gets back, it will change the matchups that defenses want to take away - Marshall.
Buy low.
He started showing signs of improvement in this area last week. I think he'll get there... Hopefully sooner rather than later.I for one will not sell Marshall low, but I also agree that the loss of Scheffler has hurt the entire offense.... Would also help if Cutler could show the ability to go through reads/progressions instead of locking onto a guy from the snapIf you can buy low on Marshall right now you absolutely should. But I really don't think many people will be selling low.It's not always just one thing with football, I think it cuts deeper than just the futile run game. They need Scheff back to open up the middle of the field. A good TE is a WRs best friend in many cases. Ask Witten/TO, Daniels/AJ, Clark/Wayne, Winslow/Edwards, Shockey/Colston, etc, etc.
One example, take away a guy like Shockey from Plaxico - what you get are a lot more safeties over the top to prevent the deep ball, hence Plax's low TD total this year compared to past seasons.
This game is all about personnel and mismatches. In the NBA, you need 3 big time players to get it done. On offense, if you have 3 legitimate weapons, you can impose your will most times. Stokley and Darrell/Nate Jackson aren't going to scare anybody. Marshall and Royal is not enough right now because the run game is not there. But if Scheffler gets back, it will change the matchups that defenses want to take away - Marshall.
Buy low.
On Sunday, Dolphins linebacker Joey Porter ripped Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall, calling Marshall "soft" and saying he would "mope and cry" when he didn't get the ball.
Now Marshall has escalated the war of words.
Talking to reporters in Denver today, Marshall questioned why Porter talks trash, what his insecurities are, and even what he does on the dance floor when he goes out to nightclubs.
"Joey Porter's one of those guys, when you've got guys who talk a lot of trash and want to talk about people or put people down, they have their own insecurities. His insecurities, I don't know," Marshall said, per the Rocky Mountain News.
"But he's definitely one of those guys who all those muscles are popcorn muscles. He's soft. We hear stories floating around the league all the time about him, as far as him being in nightclubs, dancing with his shirt off like a girl, or in the playground getting beat up back in California," Marshall added. "He's one of those guys that no matter how big he is, he can still get knocked on his butt. He's soft. And you can tell the way he's talking. His nickname's 'Peezy'. I don't know what 'Peezy' is, Joey."
While I agree that a good TE can make things easier for a WR, not all of your examples are very good. AJ has been doing it since before Daniels, Edwards sucks this year regardless, Colston did quite well without Shockey, and last year Shockey was out injured most of the year and Plax did pretty darn well without him.It's not always just one thing with football, I think it cuts deeper than just the futile run game. They need Scheff back to open up the middle of the field. A good TE is a WRs best friend in many cases. Ask Witten/TO, Daniels/AJ, Clark/Wayne, Winslow/Edwards, Shockey/Colston, etc, etc.One example, take away a guy like Shockey from Plaxico - what you get are a lot more safeties over the top to prevent the deep ball, hence Plax's low TD total this year compared to past seasons.This game is all about personnel and mismatches. In the NBA, you need 3 big time players to get it done. On offense, if you have 3 legitimate weapons, you can impose your will most times. Stokley and Darrell/Nate Jackson aren't going to scare anybody. Marshall and Royal is not enough right now because the run game is not there. But if Scheffler gets back, it will change the matchups that defenses want to take away - Marshall.Buy low.
Marshall replies on Monday:
On Sunday, Dolphins linebacker Joey Porter ripped Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall, calling Marshall "soft" and saying he would "mope and cry" when he didn't get the ball.
Now Marshall has escalated the war of words.
Talking to reporters in Denver today, Marshall questioned why Porter talks trash, what his insecurities are, and even what he does on the dance floor when he goes out to nightclubs.
"Joey Porter's one of those guys, when you've got guys who talk a lot of trash and want to talk about people or put people down, they have their own insecurities. His insecurities, I don't know," Marshall said, per the Rocky Mountain News.
"But he's definitely one of those guys who all those muscles are popcorn muscles. He's soft. We hear stories floating around the league all the time about him, as far as him being in nightclubs, dancing with his shirt off like a girl, or in the playground getting beat up back in California," Marshall added. "He's one of those guys that no matter how big he is, he can still get knocked on his butt. He's soft. And you can tell the way he's talking. His nickname's 'Peezy'. I don't know what 'Peezy' is, Joey."
I don't think there's a player I dislike more than Joey Porter. He may be a solid player but he's a loser. I can't stand the guy.The DENVER writer wrote an article trashing the local star based entirely on Joey Porter comments. WOW! Makes sense. Porter is so reputable............
Marshall didn't quit and was smart not to hang around after the game to jaw with Porter. Porter is an idiot and Marshall is the one with everything to lose in that situation. The writer is an idiot basing his story on Porter comments..........
Hines Ward?...I got Marshall for Slaton and Holmes. It's not PPR, but you get a point per 1st down reception.If you can buy low on Marshall right now you absolutely should. But I really don't think many people will be selling low.It's not always just one thing with football, I think it cuts deeper than just the futile run game. They need Scheff back to open up the middle of the field. A good TE is a WRs best friend in many cases. Ask Witten/TO, Daniels/AJ, Clark/Wayne, Winslow/Edwards, Shockey/Colston, etc, etc.
One example, take away a guy like Shockey from Plaxico - what you get are a lot more safeties over the top to prevent the deep ball, hence Plax's low TD total this year compared to past seasons.
This game is all about personnel and mismatches. In the NBA, you need 3 big time players to get it done. On offense, if you have 3 legitimate weapons, you can impose your will most times. Stokley and Darrell/Nate Jackson aren't going to scare anybody. Marshall and Royal is not enough right now because the run game is not there. But if Scheffler gets back, it will change the matchups that defenses want to take away - Marshall.
Buy low.