Braylon Edwards Trade (1 Viewer)

[Paul Brown]

Who got the better end of the Edwards trade?

Link to trade details

 

[Clev4ever]

Browns got better deal. Got 2 picks to help build for the future while also getting to quality young players.

Cancer in the clubhouse is gone. No more divas. This is now a team. All these players need each other. The chemistry should start to show soon.

 

[trogg78]

I believe the Jets will get more value from the trade. The browns couldn't get value from a gold mine.

 

[MAC_32]

I think the likelihood of either team losing on this deal is slim to none, and the only team that could possibly lose is the Jets.

 

[Reaper]

At this point I think it's pretty even.

Jets desperately needed a target like that and can take the risk that he shapes up with the change in environment...

Cleveland is rebuilding and Mangini needs everyone on his side... He was going to leave anyway so, they got some picks and potential in 2 players.

 

[Shawnky]

Browns got better deal. Got 2 picks to help build for the future while also getting to quality young players. Cancer in the clubhouse is gone. No more divas. This is now a team. All these players need each other. The chemistry should start to show soon.

Since when has he been a cancer or a diva? No offense, but you sound kinda like a bitter Browns fan.

 

[joetrow]

With Braylon's contract running out in Cleveland they made the right move. A 3rd and a 5th round pick is what I understand they got, and a decent slot reciever in Stuckey will help the Browns who are obviously in rebuilding mode. Wont really know who got the better end of the deal untill we see what Edwards does for the Jets, and who the Browns get with the two draft picks, but right now I give Browns favored slightly in this trade.

 

[Banger]

these type of polls/threads are always funny....the answer is TBD. It's like evaluating who had the best draft...it takes years to know. The compensation was fair both ways but the winner will be determined in the future by the players and picks that were moved.

 

[texasheat]

TBD option down?

 

[Paul Brown]

TBD option down?

yes

 

[texasheat]

TBD option down?

yes

I will vote TBD anyway.

 

[MAC_32]

Browns got better deal. Got 2 picks to help build for the future while also getting to quality young players. Cancer in the clubhouse is gone. No more divas. This is now a team. All these players need each other. The chemistry should start to show soon.

Since when has he been a cancer or a diva? No offense, but you sound kinda like a bitter Browns fan.

Since after he had a career year in 2007.

 

[trader jake]

these type of polls/threads are always funny....the answer is TBD. It's like evaluating who had the best draft...it takes years to know. The compensation was fair both ways but the winner will be determined in the future by the players and picks that were moved.

TBD option down?

Really? EPIC FAIL to both of you. You're on a football message board but don't want to give an opinion on a trade? I think this is a big win for the Jets. If it's an uncapped year in 2010 they will have the services of a starting WR with big upside for 1 1/2 seasons at a very reasonable cost. Edwards is a hard worker and I bet he thrives in New York. If the Jets like what they see he'll be a big ticket resigning. I also recall many praising Mangini for parting ways with an underproducing and unhappy star player before...I'm guessing the Jets fans also remember him giving away LB Jonathan Vilma to the Saints for draft picks.

 

[Paul Brown]

these type of polls/threads are always funny....the answer is TBD. It's like evaluating who had the best draft...it takes years to know. The compensation was fair both ways but the winner will be determined in the future by the players and picks that were moved.

TBD option down?

Really? EPIC FAIL to both of you. You're on a football message board but don't want to give an opinion on a trade?

 

[MikeApf]

For some reason I think the Jets will make out better. They will utilize Edwards' talents and meanwhile I can see the Browns squandering what they get...really depends on who they get with those draft picks though. Time gonna tell...

M

 

[jurb26]

I don't know. Edwards has been a regressing player since his huge break out year when he posted 16 TDs. It's really difficult to say at this point who wins in this deal as I just don't know which Edwards we are going to see in NYJ. I'm going to assume that Clev will win out for right now. 3 out of Edwards 4 seasons in the league he has looked slightly better than average. 1 out of 4 years he looked elite.

 

[mbuehner]

Dear Chansi Stuckey,

Sorry.

Signed,

football

 

[The Man with the Plan]

The Jets traded scrubs and picks for Braylon Edwards.

 

[UnknownCoach]

The off field problems were adding up and there are some on field problems with Edwards as well. Edwards probably wanted to test free agency anyways. Cleveland probably did what was best for them even if Edwards signs a long term deal and has a solid career.

The Jets got a bargain if Edwards signs a new deal and if he gets his act back together. Neither is sure to happen.

Edward's career is at a pretty low point right now. There's still more talent there than what the Jets paid for but I think Cleveland got the best deal they could have even though its not a lot.

 

[BassNBrew]

I'm impressed with what the Jets have done. In a matter of 2-3 years they've rebuilt this franchise.

 

[garosenb]

How can anyone evaluate this not knowing what round the picks are in?

 

[RC94]

The off field problems were adding up and there are some on field problems with Edwards as well. Edwards probably wanted to test free agency anyways. Cleveland probably did what was best for them even if Edwards signs a long term deal and has a solid career.The Jets got a bargain if Edwards signs a new deal and if he gets his act back together. Neither is sure to happen. Edward's career is at a pretty low point right now. There's still more talent there than what the Jets paid for but I think Cleveland got the best deal they could have even though its not a lot.

What other off-field problems did he have besides the fight with Lebron's friend?

 

[mashers]

The Browns getting draft picks scares the hell out of me. Seriously, the front office has not been able to draft since they came back into the league. Probably just two more future busts.

 

[cstu]

I don't know. Edwards has been a regressing player since his huge break out year when he posted 16 TDs. It's really difficult to say at this point who wins in this deal as I just don't know which Edwards we are going to see in NYJ. I'm going to assume that Clev will win out for right now. 3 out of Edwards 4 seasons in the league he has looked slightly better than average. 1 out of 4 years he looked elite.

Can anyone honestly say anyone would have played well in Cleveland the past two years? I like his chances to bounce back in NY, but no excuses for him now though.

 

[cstu]

The off field problems were adding up and there are some on field problems with Edwards as well. Edwards probably wanted to test free agency anyways. Cleveland probably did what was best for them even if Edwards signs a long term deal and has a solid career.The Jets got a bargain if Edwards signs a new deal and if he gets his act back together. Neither is sure to happen. Edward's career is at a pretty low point right now. There's still more talent there than what the Jets paid for but I think Cleveland got the best deal they could have even though its not a lot.

What other off-field problems did he have besides the fight with Lebron's friend?

He drove 120mph.

 

[jurb26]

I don't know. Edwards has been a regressing player since his huge break out year when he posted 16 TDs. It's really difficult to say at this point who wins in this deal as I just don't know which Edwards we are going to see in NYJ. I'm going to assume that Clev will win out for right now. 3 out of Edwards 4 seasons in the league he has looked slightly better than average. 1 out of 4 years he looked elite.

Can anyone honestly say anyone would have played well in Cleveland the past two years? I like his chances to bounce back in NY, but no excuses for him now though.

Well, Clev is certainly not the best place to play. Still Edwards regression was mostly self inflicted IMO. Sometimes players just need a change and maybe that is the case for Edwards. Prior to this trade though it was looking a lot like Edwards was a 1 year wonder.

 

[Jimmy James]

This was a good trade for both teams, but it favors the Jets. It favors the Jets because a change of scenery could wake up a slumbering giant and ignite their team in a serious way. If Braylon Edwards continues to be Braylon Edwards circa every year of his NFL career except 2007, the Browns slightly win (probably by the value of the special teams guy). If Braylon becomes the next Plaxico Burress (which I think is probably his ceiling), the Jets win big. The chances are probably slight that he becomes the next Plaxico, but I think the odds do favor Edwards stepping up his game at least a little.

 

[The Comedian]

This is now a team. All these players need each other.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

This was a good trade for both teams, but it favors the Jets. It favors the Jets because a change of scenery could wake up a slumbering giant and ignite their team in a serious way. If Braylon Edwards continues to be Braylon Edwards circa every year of his NFL career except 2007, the Browns slightly win (probably by the value of the special teams guy). If Braylon becomes the next Plaxico Burress (which I think is probably his ceiling), the Jets win big. The chances are probably slight that he becomes the next Plaxico, but I think the odds do favor Edwards stepping up his game at least a little.

Braylon's assault and childish behaviour toward Lebrons posse, and coupled with his desire to be famous and showy...and he was a big fish in a small pond.....and now he is NYC...ask Starberry how he liked the change of scenery to Gotham?Braylon is a bum, and U of Mich WR's are generally overrated bums. That goes for you too Manningham. And I have the bum on my roster. The Browns got a steal of a deal!The draft picks alone are worth it.

 

[ookook]

I think what some folks are missing is that at this point NYJs are just renting Edwards for a dozen or so games.

Really, the Browns got a better deal as BE was gone anyway after this season. This way they get a serviceable LB, okay WR, and picks.

 

[Breesisdaman]

I think what some folks are missing is that at this point NYJs are just renting Edwards for a dozen or so games. Really, the Browns got a better deal as BE was gone anyway after this season. This way they get a serviceable LB, okay WR, and picks.

^ Unless BE signs extended contract with the Jets

 

[The Jerk]

All these players need each other.

That's not all they need.

 

[ookook]

I think what some folks are missing is that at this point NYJs are just renting Edwards for a dozen or so games. Really, the Browns got a better deal as BE was gone anyway after this season. This way they get a serviceable LB, okay WR, and picks.

^ Unless BE signs extended contract with the Jets

Sure, but that could have happened after this season WITHOUT spending players and/or picks.

 

[cstu]

I think what some folks are missing is that at this point NYJs are just renting Edwards for a dozen or so games. Really, the Browns got a better deal as BE was gone anyway after this season. This way they get a serviceable LB, okay WR, and picks.

^ Unless BE signs extended contract with the Jets

Sure, but that could have happened after this season WITHOUT spending players and/or picks.

A couple things - that doesn't help them win this year and also gives them a chance to try before they buy with Edwards.

 

[Jimmy James]

A couple things - that doesn't help them win this year and also gives them a chance to try before they buy with Edwards.

It also gives Edwards the opportunity to try them out. If he looks like 2007 Braylon all of the sudden, fits in well, and they make a competitive offer, you have to think they would be his first preference.

 

[wadegarrett]

How can anyone evaluate this not knowing what round the picks are in?

According to an NFL source, the Jets gave up draft picks in the third and fifth rounds in the deal, Schefter reported. The third-round pick is a conditional pick and could turn into a second-round pick if Edwards catches a certain number of passes this season.

 

[Banger]

these type of polls/threads are always funny....the answer is TBD. It's like evaluating who had the best draft...it takes years to know. The compensation was fair both ways but the winner will be determined in the future by the players and picks that were moved.

TBD option down?

Really? EPIC FAIL to both of you. You're on a football message board but don't want to give an opinion on a trade? I think this is a big win for the Jets. If it's an uncapped year in 2010 they will have the services of a starting WR with big upside for 1 1/2 seasons at a very reasonable cost. Edwards is a hard worker and I bet he thrives in New York. If the Jets like what they see he'll be a big ticket resigning. I also recall many praising Mangini for parting ways with an underproducing and unhappy star player before...I'm guessing the Jets fans also remember him giving away LB Jonathan Vilma to the Saints for draft picks.

the point is how can you know "who won the trade" if you don't even know who is drafted with the picks? The Jets got the best player so they "won" at this point and time but the Browns didn't do the trade for today, they did it for tomorrow and whether it was a good deal for them will depend on who they draft with those picks and how productive they are. On a strictly compensation basis, I think the deal was fair for both teams...you weren't going to get a 2nd midway through the year for a FA to be but a 3rd and 5th is decent value. It's also worth the chance for the Jets because they have no impact WRs and teams are putting everyone they can inside the box without regard to any deep threat...that changes now.I just think it's silly to pick a "winner" at this point but I feel the same way about "who had the best draft" threads/analysis the day after the draft. The winner won't be determined for years.

 

[Banger]

I think what some folks are missing is that at this point NYJs are just renting Edwards for a dozen or so games. Really, the Browns got a better deal as BE was gone anyway after this season. This way they get a serviceable LB, okay WR, and picks.

you don't know that. why couldn't they resign him? The Jets are keeping their options open at the moment, as they should.

 

[runner06]

The Jets traded scrubs and picks for Braylon Edwards.

+1. It's amazing how many people are picking that the Browns won this trade. The Jets basically just gave up a little depth to get a player that was a stud two years ago and could still turn things around given how young he is. If Edwards is a bust in New York, it's not that big of a deal because they hardly gave up anything to get him.

 

[Paul Brown]

from a ny daily news column on the baggage edwardd brings with him...

One general manager is convinced that the Jets were the only team that wanted Edwards and the Browns were on the verge of cutting him.

"He's a nightmare," another GM said. "These guys never change. I understand the Jets' thinking. They feel they can live with the downside. What I look at is the person. I just don't like the kid. I'm not saying what the Jets did was stupid or wrong. I just don't like those types of kids. He's not a team guy. He's an ultra-selfish guy."

not the best endorsements there

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It depends on what Edwards the Jets get. If he makes a difference in their offense by stretching the field (Keeping 8 men out of the box) and makes plays, it will favor the Jets.

Right now I see it as fairly even. The Browns got some value for a plyer that will not help that this season and will certainly be gone next season. The Jets got a potential difference maker on offense that could help them win a playoff game or two if things pan out.

 

[Reaper]

these type of polls/threads are always funny....the answer is TBD. It's like evaluating who had the best draft...it takes years to know. The compensation was fair both ways but the winner will be determined in the future by the players and picks that were moved.

TBD option down?

Really? EPIC FAIL to both of you. You're on a football message board but don't want to give an opinion on a trade? I think this is a big win for the Jets. If it's an uncapped year in 2010 they will have the services of a starting WR with big upside for 1 1/2 seasons at a very reasonable cost. Edwards is a hard worker and I bet he thrives in New York. If the Jets like what they see he'll be a big ticket resigning. I also recall many praising Mangini for parting ways with an underproducing and unhappy star player before...I'm guessing the Jets fans also remember him giving away LB Jonathan Vilma to the Saints for draft picks.

Unfair comparison... Vilma was hurt at the time and didn't fit the 3-4 system in place....Vilma did have a contract issue coming up though, and given the above, it's hard to lay out big money..... That said, Mangini got more for Edwards but, he wasn't injured....

Personally, I think coaches and GM's need top get rid of players who don't fit and don't want to be there in return for "Their Guys".... I credit Mangini in both of those deals, I do wish Vilma could have brought back just a little more.

But, sometimes you have to get what you can to build the team in your mold.

 

[cj*]

Athletic ability and route running are not the real problem with edwards. He cannot catch the ball. He is an extremely unreliable receiver. He makes the extremely hard catches and drops all the easy ones. He may pan out in new york, but I wouldnt bet on it. A rookie qb needs receivers that are sure handed and that is not what the jets got here.

 

[Bobcat10]

Athletic ability and route running are not the real problem with edwards. He cannot catch the ball. He is an extremely unreliable receiver. He makes the extremely hard catches and drops all the easy ones. He may pan out in new york, but I wouldnt bet on it. A rookie qb needs receivers that are sure handed and that is not what the jets got here.

Probably better off if you left that part out.My vote, even trade right now. If Braylon disappoints, edge Browns. If Braylon helps Jets, still even trade.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Athletic ability and route running are not the real problem with edwards. He cannot catch the ball. He is an extremely unreliable receiver. He makes the extremely hard catches and drops all the easy ones. He may pan out in new york, but I wouldnt bet on it. A rookie qb needs receivers that are sure handed and that is not what the jets got here.

TO can't catch either, but has had a HoF career...maybe drops are like strike outs for sluggers... sometimes you have to take the good with the bad... if the alternative is WRs with great hands but marginal explosiveness (not that they are NECESSARILY mutually exclusive propositions... but the set that contains... explosive WRs, is presumably bigger than the more restrictive set... explosive WRs with great hands)... explosive plays can be a huge help to offenses... it can be tough to score by dinking & dunking with a sustained 15 play drives...

 

[Jason Wood]

these type of polls/threads are always funny....the answer is TBD. It's like evaluating who had the best draft...it takes years to know. The compensation was fair both ways but the winner will be determined in the future by the players and picks that were moved.

I was actually just about to post a similar response Banger.I understand why these polls exist, everyone wants to foster discussion and put in their two cents. But in a hobby/sport where our predictions from week to week are nearly impossible to get right, any arguments for either side here are purely conjecture IMHO. Right now, both teams got what they wanted. Whether one team ends up with more value is entirely contingent on WHAT'S YET TO HAPPEN.If Edwards recaptures his focus and emerges as a true WR1, the Jets will embrace him and feel like they gave up spare parts for a difference maker. Is that a possible outcome? Sure. But is it equally possible that Edwards could be modestly successful but not elite? Yes. And is it also possible that Edwards could flounder in NY just as he has in Cleveland? Of course. Meanwhile the Browns will stake their claim mainly on what they do with those two picks. A 3rd and 5th are valuable commodities IF USED CORRECTLY. They could draft two long-time starters with those picks, or use them as chips to move up and grab an elite difference maker. But until we see what they do with those picks, and then give those players a few years to make their own mark, we have no Earthly idea whether it was 'worth' trading Edwards for them.Let's reflect back on the consensus view that Bill Belichick was giving up Matt Cassel too cheaply this offseason. Conspiracy theorists argued he was giving his buddy Pioli a sweetheart deal as a thanks for all of his hard work in NE for years. Laughable as that was at the time, let's consider that trade now! Cassel looks every bit like the bust many worried he would be, and yet the Patriots got a 1st day pick that their personnel department is very likely to add a young contributor with. The one thing the internet and social media has totally eradicated from our cultural lexicon is PATIENCE. We'll know who got the better deal when we know. Years from now.

 

[BassNBrew]

these type of polls/threads are always funny....the answer is TBD. It's like evaluating who had the best draft...it takes years to know. The compensation was fair both ways but the winner will be determined in the future by the players and picks that were moved.

I was actually just about to post a similar response Banger.I understand why these polls exist, everyone wants to foster discussion and put in their two cents. But in a hobby/sport where our predictions from week to week are nearly impossible to get right, any arguments for either side here are purely conjecture IMHO. Right now, both teams got what they wanted. Whether one team ends up with more value is entirely contingent on WHAT'S YET TO HAPPEN.If Edwards recaptures his focus and emerges as a true WR1, the Jets will embrace him and feel like they gave up spare parts for a difference maker. Is that a possible outcome? Sure. But is it equally possible that Edwards could be modestly successful but not elite? Yes. And is it also possible that Edwards could flounder in NY just as he has in Cleveland? Of course. Meanwhile the Browns will stake their claim mainly on what they do with those two picks. A 3rd and 5th are valuable commodities IF USED CORRECTLY. They could draft two long-time starters with those picks, or use them as chips to move up and grab an elite difference maker. But until we see what they do with those picks, and then give those players a few years to make their own mark, we have no Earthly idea whether it was 'worth' trading Edwards for them.Let's reflect back on the consensus view that Bill Belichick was giving up Matt Cassel too cheaply this offseason. Conspiracy theorists argued he was giving his buddy Pioli a sweetheart deal as a thanks for all of his hard work in NE for years. Laughable as that was at the time, let's consider that trade now! Cassel looks every bit like the bust many worried he would be, and yet the Patriots got a 1st day pick that their personnel department is very likely to add a young contributor with. The one thing the internet and social media has totally eradicated from our cultural lexicon is PATIENCE. We'll know who got the better deal when we know. Years from now.

Geez dude, lighten up. He was only asking for opinions. This whole site is based on the premise of opinions. those with better ones do better in ff.

 

[amnesiac]

i think this trade could possibly work out for everyone.

but right now, i know that the Browns got something for basically nothing. there weren't able to get anything out of Braylon.

you can debate whose fault that was, but i truly don't think that Braylon was helping this team anymore.

i kind of doubt the Jets get much out of him other than a few flashes, a few big games, but it's possible. if he ends up being awesome, the Browns will look foolish. but at least they were willing to make a move instead of sitting on the situation for another year.

 

[Bobcat10]

these type of polls/threads are always funny....the answer is TBD. It's like evaluating who had the best draft...it takes years to know. The compensation was fair both ways but the winner will be determined in the future by the players and picks that were moved.

I was actually just about to post a similar response Banger.I understand why these polls exist, everyone wants to foster discussion and put in their two cents. But in a hobby/sport where our predictions from week to week are nearly impossible to get right, any arguments for either side here are purely conjecture IMHO. Right now, both teams got what they wanted. Whether one team ends up with more value is entirely contingent on WHAT'S YET TO HAPPEN.If Edwards recaptures his focus and emerges as a true WR1, the Jets will embrace him and feel like they gave up spare parts for a difference maker. Is that a possible outcome? Sure. But is it equally possible that Edwards could be modestly successful but not elite? Yes. And is it also possible that Edwards could flounder in NY just as he has in Cleveland? Of course. Meanwhile the Browns will stake their claim mainly on what they do with those two picks. A 3rd and 5th are valuable commodities IF USED CORRECTLY. They could draft two long-time starters with those picks, or use them as chips to move up and grab an elite difference maker. But until we see what they do with those picks, and then give those players a few years to make their own mark, we have no Earthly idea whether it was 'worth' trading Edwards for them.Let's reflect back on the consensus view that Bill Belichick was giving up Matt Cassel too cheaply this offseason. Conspiracy theorists argued he was giving his buddy Pioli a sweetheart deal as a thanks for all of his hard work in NE for years. Laughable as that was at the time, let's consider that trade now! Cassel looks every bit like the bust many worried he would be, and yet the Patriots got a 1st day pick that their personnel department is very likely to add a young contributor with. The one thing the internet and social media has totally eradicated from our cultural lexicon is PATIENCE. We'll know who got the better deal when we know. Years from now.

While I agree with much of what you say, does it really matter from the Browns point of view of whether or not the two draft picks "pan out" (or the two players they received)? To me, they win this trade from their standpoint regardless of what happens to their return in the future, and the Jets can make it even by getting what they want out of Edwards. Even if the Jets don't, one could probably argue that they didn't really give up much from their point of view, and it's still close to even with a slight edge to the Browns.

 

[Banger]

i kind of doubt the Jets get much out of him other than a few flashes, a few big games, but it's possible. if he ends up being awesome, the Browns will look foolish. but at least they were willing to make a move instead of sitting on the situation for another year.

This definitely has the potential to have a Moss-ish type stink to it if all breaks right for the Jets. Similar to the Moss situation you have a very good talent (albeit not as good), playing in an organization that is going nowhere, in a terrible offense and has basically given up. He then goes to a much better team in a much better situation. Should be interesting...