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Braylon Edwards (1 Viewer)

Bob Magaw

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well aware of his downside... drops, inconsistency, etc...

i wonder if at times during career, he may not have been positioned as well for success as he is this year (sanchez higher pedigree QB, better OL, jets better overall than browns, first full season in new york)...

a couple points i found interesting in below recent article...

1 - they could move edwards around more, playing him at multiple positions (including slot), to exploit coverage mismatches.

2 - forgot henry ellard was WR coach, who was long time positional coach in STL, and i think was credited in part with development of isaac bruce and torry holt (drilling him on looking the ball in more).

3 - edwards is routinely trashed for his hands, but last year, his drop % was actually less than andre johnson, randy moss, new teammate santonio holmes, donald driver, TO, marques colston and dwane bowe...

4 - he isn't complaining about his contract situation, and appears focused on the task at hand (if he does well, he should get paid by SOMEBODY, if not jets)...

5 - HC ryan called him one of two most impressive players overall in OTAs...

barring injury, i think a 1,000+ yards, 8+ TD type of season and reemergence are within his reach (didn't say grasp :mellow: )...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football..._york_jets.html

Braylon Edwards learning new wide receiver positions for New York Jets

BY Manish Mehta

DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Thursday, June 3rd 2010, 7:23 AM

"The man bouncing all over the field looked nothing like the guy you expected to see in the green-and-white No. 17 jersey.

In some ways, Braylon Edwards barely recognized himself too, joking with teammates and pleading with coaches to get a little more practice time in before he called it a day.

Less than three months after Edwards didn't get a long-term contract extension, the Jets' wide receiver says he has found perspective.

"I'm having fun and I'm learning," Edwards told the Daily News. "It's more fun when you really understand what it's all about - and what this really is - which is a team game. Everybody has a role. Everybody has a part. Everybody contributes to a greater cause. Now, I'm 27. I'm more versed in football than when I was 22 as a rookie. I have a better appreciation now."

Edwards, who signed a one-year, $6.1 million contract as a restricted free agent in March, has been a standout during the team's offseason workouts, expanding his receiving portfolio. Rex Ryan went so far as to call the sixth-year pro one of the two most impressive players during Organized Team Activities.

Edwards, who has spent the better part of his career as the split end - or "X" receiver -- is learning the nuances of playing flanker ("Z" receiver) and in the slot ("Y" receiver).

It's not completely foreign territory. Edwards, after all, played flanker in his first three years at Michigan in addition to working a little bit in the slot.

"I did all the motioning, I did slot work, I did outside work," Edwards said of his college career. "So, it's not anything new for me in terms of the history of me playing wideout. In the NFL, slightly, but I played a little bit of it my first two years with the Browns."

The 6-3, 215-pound Edwards dismissed the notion that his skill set might not be suited for playing in the slot. He admitted that "it's not a secret" that the Jets' end game is to put him in favorable matchups against nickel corners from time to time.

"There's going to be times when we're going to use him inside to stretch the seams," wide receivers coach Henry Ellard told the Daily News. "A big bodied guy with great leaping ability will be able to make plays down the seam. He can manhandle a lot of guys. That's what we want to use to our advantage."

To that end, Edwards has logged plenty of extra hours trying to perfect the nuances of playing in the slot. From a technical standpoint, Ellard has worked with Edwards to shorten his stride lengths from the slot to excel in tight quarters.

Edwards' long strides serve him well outside the numbers by threatening cornerbacks on the deep route. But playing inside requires a subtle - yet critical - philosophical change.

The nature of routes from the slot calls for shorter stride lengths to help receivers better re-direct themselves if they get bumped off course.

"You're learning on the run, but it comes through repetition," Ellard said. "The more you see, the more comfortable you get, so you know exactly what you need to do in that situation the next time."

Edwards has a straightforward mindset.

"Just take your playbook home and study," Edwards said. "The good NFL players that move around, they study. That's all it is - watching film and studying."

"Whatever is needed, I can do," he added. "I have versatility. So playing in the slot is not a problem for me. If playing in the slot was a problem, they wouldn't put me in the slot…. When you put me in the slot, you create a mismatch."

Edwards maintained that he'll be able to co-exist with the Jets' plethora of pass-catching options. He's been able to do most of his damage during his career with limited catches, reaching the 80-catch plateau once (during his 2007 Pro Bowl season).

Edwards has averaged 54.6 catches per season during his five-year career. In his four full seasons (he played just 10 games as a rookie), he has averaged 60.3 catches. He averaged three receptions per game in 12 games with the Jets last season.

The goal is to maximize his opportunities, which means cutting down on dropped passes.

According to profootballfocus.com, Edwards had 70 balls thrown to him and four drops (one drop every 17.5 balls) last season. Edwards' four drops were tied for 46th among receivers.

His drop frequency was better than Dwayne Bowe (9.2), Mario Manningham (9.6), Marques Colston (10.2), Terrell Owens (10.5), Roy E. Williams (10.5) Santana Moss (12.6), Donald Driver (13.6), Davonne Bess (15.1), Santonio Holmes (15.9), Andre Johnson (16.9) and Randy Moss (17.0). (Ted Ginn had the biggest butterfingers of them all with one drop every 7.3 balls thrown his way).

But there's certainly room for improvement. So, Ellard said that he has given Edwards specific drills to improve "discipline with his eyes," to make sure the receiver is "tracking the ball all the way into his hands without taking anything for granted."

"We'll work on it until he's comfortable with it - and not thinking about it," Ellard said. "Once you have to start thinking about it, that's when you're going to get yourself in trouble."

For now, Edwards is simply having fun.

He's even pledged not to shave off his beard until he scores his first regular-season touchdown, which is at least three months away.

"I'm not going to get the ZZ Top," said Edwards, who promised to trim the beard from time to time. "I'm going to keep it a nice length. I'm not going to just let it get wild man Santa Claus."

Edwards could be in for a huge pay day as an unrestricted free agent in 2011 if he returns to his former Pro Bowl form. But he insisted that he's not concerned about a potential financial payoff down the road.

"I don't care about a contract," Edwards said. "I just want to win a championship. That's all I care about…. I just want to win a Super Bowl.""

 
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The stats for drops are almost always low IMO. I painfully remember Braylon being credited for about 2/3 of his actual drops while in Cleveland.... same with Massaquoi last year. Braylon has horrible hands, doesn't run good routes, spaces out from time to time, and pouts. Just watch the guy play.

No thanks.

 
the drops didn't seem as bad during the pro bowl season with 15+ TDs...

ps - this is a contrarian UPSIDE thread... :goodposting: i'm aware that many are similarly down on him, and for many of the same reasons...

 
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At this point I don't think it's any mystery what Braylon Edwards is - he could be huge and he's more likely to just piss you off.

Don't think too much about it, if you can get him for peanuts then take the shot but if not then don't worry about it.

 
Boy, he's a headache trying to figure out what weeks to put him in the lineup. I don't think he has much upside considering the amount of receivers and the lack of throwing attempts.

 
the drops didn't seem as bad during the pro bowl season with 15+ TDs...

ps - this is a contrarian UPSIDE thread... :lmao: i'm aware that many are similarly down on him, and for many of the same reasons...
Probably because he didn't have as many drops that year. Also, when the guy puts together two good seasons, then I might take notice. It's amazing he still has value.

 
I think braylon's the 4th best receiver on that team. He'll be good for a good play here & there, which is probably all they need from him.

 
I think Braylon Edwards will perform better than most people think this year. He's a big target and I thought I saw Sanchez looking to Edwards at times in the Red Zone.

I'm not saying I'm targeting Braylon Edwards at this point but I also won't be shying away from him and could pull the trigger on him if I feel like there's value to be had by drafting him. I have a concern that there may be only so many Td's to go around on a team that will be known for their defense and running game but everyone else will also have those same concerns which may allow him to slip down to where he will become someone that offers you value.

 
I agree with some of the above posters regarding his consistency. He's definitely higher on my draft board in best ball leagues versus standard leagues. Others similar to him, not in stature, but in game to game consistency (and fairly close in their respective ADPs) are guys like Lee Evans and Santana Moss. Like all 3 of these guys much more so in best ball or total points leagues.

 
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I agree with some of the above posters regarding his consistency. He's definitely higher on my draft board in best ball leagues versus standard leagues. Others similar to him, not in stature, but in game to game consistency (and fairly close in their respective ADPs) are guys like Lee Evans and Santana Moss. Like all 3 of these guys much more so in best ball or total points leagues.
:unsure: I was actually just going to post how Edwards reminds me (statistically - in terms of his radical variance game to game and season to season) of Santana Moss.
 
The stats for drops are almost always low IMO. I painfully remember Braylon being credited for about 2/3 of his actual drops while in Cleveland.... same with Massaquoi last year. Braylon has horrible hands, doesn't run good routes, spaces out from time to time, and pouts. Just watch the guy play. No thanks.
I don't buy that Edwards has bad hands. His hands are plenty good enough. His problem is a lack of focus more than anything.
 
The stats for drops are almost always low IMO. I painfully remember Braylon being credited for about 2/3 of his actual drops while in Cleveland.... same with Massaquoi last year. Braylon has horrible hands, doesn't run good routes, spaces out from time to time, and pouts. Just watch the guy play. No thanks.
I don't buy that Edwards has bad hands. His hands are plenty good enough. His problem is a lack of focus more than anything.
Some players seem nervous, or try too hard on running after the catch (before they catch it). I see him and he doesnt seem that interested
 
The stats for drops are almost always low IMO. I painfully remember Braylon being credited for about 2/3 of his actual drops while in Cleveland.... same with Massaquoi last year. Braylon has horrible hands, doesn't run good routes, spaces out from time to time, and pouts. Just watch the guy play. No thanks.
I don't buy that Edwards has bad hands. His hands are plenty good enough. His problem is a lack of focus more than anything.
We'll have to agree to disagree. Focus is an issue, but near as big of an issue as his horrible hands.
 
The stats for drops are almost always low IMO. I painfully remember Braylon being credited for about 2/3 of his actual drops while in Cleveland.... same with Massaquoi last year. Braylon has horrible hands, doesn't run good routes, spaces out from time to time, and pouts. Just watch the guy play.

No thanks.
I don't buy that Edwards has bad hands. His hands are plenty good enough. His problem is a lack of focus more than anything.
Some players seem nervous, or try too hard on running after the catch (before they catch it). I see him and he doesnt seem that interested
I think everyone knows Rex Ryan is a No nonsense Head coach... If Kerry Rhodes doesn't buy into Rex's approach 100% he's gone, no matter what they get back.

Rex Loves Braylon and raves about his work ethic and his blocking skills.... I've seen some twitter comments from players - One from Mangold yesterday saying "It wouldn't be a great practice if Braylon wasn't great. Good thing for us, he was better than great today."

His teammates LOVE him!!!!!! He's looked at as a leader.

Maybe, like he said, he's older and wiser but, from everything I have seen from players and coaches since Braylon got here, he's put in 100% effort and has been as good as can be.

That said, I agree with Radballs mostly due to the Jets offense - Just not sure the opportunities will be there on a consistent basis.

I don't play in a dynasty league but, if I did, I might bump him up a little based on the fact that the Jets just might not have enough room for him next year and maybe he continues to Grow up AND goes to a more pass friendly offense?

I'm not targeting Braylon but, I think bitter Cleveland fans and Braylon haters are a bit blinded to the fact that a player can grow up and learn to understand the game a lot better....

 
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I'm not targeting Braylon but, I think bitter Cleveland fans and Braylon haters are a bit blinded to the fact that a player can grow up and learn to understand the game a lot better....
I 100% qualify as a bitter Cleveland fan, when my wife suggested I become a Philly fan instead (I live in Philly now) I told her "#### off"- and meant it. I am bitter as hell.The problem I have with Braylon is that his downside is so atrociously low. His production in 2008 was pretty poor but 680/4 last year without missing a single game? Even prorating his NYJ stats he was worth little. I get the feeling I will own him since a lot of my attempts at building rosters seem to include a lot of safer but limited upside players at the WR position so grabbing him for my bench is a potentially worth while prospect.
 
Reaper said:
I'm not targeting Braylon but, I think bitter Cleveland fans and Braylon haters are a bit blinded to the fact that a player can grow up and learn to understand the game a lot better....
I 100% qualify as a bitter Cleveland fan, when my wife suggested I become a Philly fan instead (I live in Philly now) I told her "#### off"- and meant it. I am bitter as hell.The problem I have with Braylon is that his downside is so atrociously low. His production in 2008 was pretty poor but 680/4 last year without missing a single game? Even prorating his NYJ stats he was worth little. I get the feeling I will own him since a lot of my attempts at building rosters seem to include a lot of safer but limited upside players at the WR position so grabbing him for my bench is a potentially worth while prospect.
Well, yeah a lot factors into that and Cleveland wasn't a hotbed for offensive stats or happy players at that time.

But, when you talk about Worth of course, there's fantasy worth and then reality.

According to Rex and just about every player and person who has commented on Braylon in NY, his Blocking is tremendous and between that and the decoy factor he played with the Jets, he was a huge influence on the run game opening up a little more and just a little less stacking the box on Sanchez...

I don't think the Jets sniff the Championship game without Braylon. IMO, that's "worth" a lot.

The Jets just didn't throw enough to get Braylon huge stats and Yeah, that remains to be the question...

Fantasy wise, he's not someone I'm overly targeting but, I can't be dissapointed at all to how he has bought into Rex Ryan's program and has been one of the harder workers and has given 100%... And even fantasy wise, I love to pick the guys that I hear work their tales off at their trade, I love to hear what guys go to the extra camps with Chris Carter or whoever and share trade secrets, Lee Evans and Greg Jennings come to mind.. Maybe players who haven't accumulated the most stats yet but, are outworking a lot of people to get there when/if the opportunity exists... If it comes down to a tier of players, I'll reach a little to get that guy that goes to extra camps in the offseason over the bad seed WR that screams me me me.

 
The best case would be a hot start and trade him. Otherwise, he's impossible to start with confidence as the team is not geared to get him anywhere near what a WR1, much less a WR2 could post.

 
calvin johnson dropped from 12 TDs in 2008 to 5 in 2009 (he missed two games)... liked edwards, he had to go through the growing pains of a rookie QB... unlike edwards, he didn't have to switch teams in-season...

most are projecting an increase in numbers for johnson, with the development of stafford... and the addition of offensive weapons burleson, scheffler & best (which will make it harder to bracket coverage johnson)...

admittedly, johnson is more talented, but edwards is no slouch in terms of physical traits (6'3" 215 - 4.4), athleticism (competed on michigan track team - 200 m & high jump?) and pedigree (#3 overall?)... his 16 receiving TD season was i think tied for 9th or 10th since the merger...

in johnson's first three seasons (missing three games, probably less than 100% in others)...

193-3,071-21, average about 64-1,025-7

in edwards first five seasons (missed six as rookie, none since)...

273-4,238-32, average about 55-850-6

if you throw out edwards rookie year when he missed six games, and last year when he switched teams, as aberrations...

in seasons two-three-four...

196-3,046-25, average about 65-1,015-8

pretty similar to calvin johnson, one of the top WR prospects in league history, arguably the most freakish physical specimen and greatest athletic phenom at his position ever... edwards is older (for dynasty purposes), but only 27...

both have been held back by lack of surrounding talent, rookie QBs in 2009... both seem poised for better seasons in 2010, due to expected maturation and development of QBs, and an influx of skill position talent... edwards not likely to see as many double teams due to presence of holmes (after week four)...

NOT saying edwards is johnson... but johnson may not be far off as a comp, in terms of pedigree, up & down numbers, and previous unfulfilled potential in part due to systemic issues with surrounding talent...

 
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Reaper said:
I'm not targeting Braylon but, I think bitter Cleveland fans and Braylon haters are a bit blinded to the fact that a player can grow up and learn to understand the game a lot better....
Can? Sure. Are you willing to bet on it though? Seems like a pretty reckless gamble to me. Everyone remembers the negative stuff about Braylon from Cleveland, but there were plenty of positive reports and not just during his fluke season either.
 

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