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Brazen Shoplifting and Looting Thread (1 Viewer)

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James Daulton

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Apologies if there's another thread on this already, but seeing what's continually happening in many cities across the country burns my chaps.

Criminals now apparently feel completely comfortable simply running into a store, grabbing stuff, and running out.  When did this become ok and acceptable?  Where are the store security and the police?  Where are the morals of these people?

Much as I hate to say it, I wouldn't mind seeing all those shops close up and move to the burbs or somewhere else less susceptible to such brazen thievery.  It would suck for the cities but maybe the politicians then would stop pandering to the extreme left and go back to enforcing laws that we've all lived with for a long long time.

To do nothing means a slow deterioration for these cities.  I know that I won't support a city that allows this type of activity to go on unchecked.

Sorry for the rant but like I said my chaps are burnt. 

 
Was this much lax law enforcement the norm before the pandemic? It seems like law enforcement has taken a "hands off" approach since the protests, almost encouraging the rioting and looting with just standing by. Where I live, there are thin blue line flags everywhere, people here are always supporting and encouraging law enforcement. But when it comes to the actual protecting part? These stories bother me as well.

And the bail reform? Yeah let's go with what was working and not worry so much about hurting criminals disproportionately this way. There can (and should) be other solutions developed for that. Police services are paid for with tax revenue. Now go police. And when we lock up a criminal, we mean it. 

 
It is so unacceptable...unfortunately in many cities there are DA's who are giving the OK to shoplifting if it is under a certain amount...it is complete lunacy and just sends an awful message.

 
On the one hand I do feel for those attempting to live the American dream as they no doubt have worked very hard to establish their business and community in these areas.

On the other hand the people who they elected, not all the people of course but enough to result in a successful election, are the ones overseeing the policies that result in these areas being ruined.

So, if you elect someone who is doing this to an area....that is on you....you get what you deserve.   If you did not vote for them, I encourage you to move, to another place where reasoned people also exist. Leave these hell holes to crumble and burn....

 
James Daulton said:
Much as I hate to say it, I wouldn't mind seeing all those shops close up and move to the burbs or somewhere else less susceptible to such brazen thievery. 
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It's happening in the suburbs, too:  https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/21/us/louis-vuitton-ransacked-illinois-oak-brook/index.html

Like others have sad, it's sad that police have been emasculated to the point where they can't/won't even do anything to stop it.  And store "security" is rarely armed, so what are they gonna do about it?

 
James Daulton said:
Apologies if there's another thread on this already, but seeing what's continually happening in many cities across the country burns my chaps.

Criminals now apparently feel completely comfortable simply running into a store, grabbing stuff, and running out.  When did this become ok and acceptable?  Where are the store security and the police?  Where are the morals of these people?

Much as I hate to say it, I wouldn't mind seeing all those shops close up and move to the burbs or somewhere else less susceptible to such brazen thievery.  It would suck for the cities but maybe the politicians then would stop pandering to the extreme left and go back to enforcing laws that we've all lived with for a long long time.

To do nothing means a slow deterioration for these cities.  I know that I won't support a city that allows this type of activity to go on unchecked.

Sorry for the rant but like I said my chaps are burnt. 
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Hi @James Daulton. Assuming you're serious with this, (I have some friends who say this is overblown) I do wonder about how much this has changed. 

I know lots of conservative or pro police sides are extremely concerned with this. And see it as a result of restricting police. 

I can see that. I also fully understand police need to be policed. 

I have four children who are young adults all in their 20s. I would be distraught if any of them wanted to be a police officer given today's climate. That seems like a bad thing.

 
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I am sure this can all be justified by <cause du jour>, and for anyone to speak out against this means you are anti-<cause du jour>, and therefore a terrible person who must be canceled.  

 
It is a different world.

I was probably about 10 years old in and I got caught stealing baseball cards at the local convenience store.

The store owner grabbed me by the arm and pulled me back into his office. He said, "If I ever see you do that again, we're going to come back in here and lock that door and I'm going to make you open up a whole box of those cards and chew every _________ ______________ piece of gum in the pack until you choke".  If you know how awful the gum was in those Topps baseball card packs, that was serious. 

Scared me to death and I never stole any more cards.

Today, there's no way in the world a store owner would threaten a kid like that. He'd likely wind up in jail. 

That's not wishing for the good old days. That's just a fact on how it's different now. 

 
Hoh said:
I am sure this can all be justified by <cause du jour>, and for anyone to speak out against this means you are anti-<cause du jour>, and therefore a terrible person who must be canceled.  
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Exactly.  Justified as people taking "redistribution of wealth" into their own hands.

 
It is risk vs reward.  In the cities this is happening there is very little risk of anything happening.  Some of the cities will not even send the police for store theft.  If they are caught the DA's and judges give low bail and no risk of going to jail.  There is only one way to stop this and the voters in these cities need to look at who they vote for.  The pendulum will swing back the other way very hard eventually, but I think it is going to only get worse for quite a while.

 
Most of these stores don’t have security and many corporations have specific policies that prevent employees from doing anything. When I worked for Walgreens there is about a 5 foot area between the front registers and doors where we’re able to stop them. Before the register you couldn’t accuse them of stealing in most cases and after the go past the door, you can’t chase them. And frankly just like enforcing mask rules, most of the employees aren’t paid enough to deal with the verbal or physical abuse. Shoplifters have figured this out and abuse the rules.

 
Joe Bryant said:
Hi @James Daulton. Assuming you're serious with this, (I have some friends who say this is overblown) I do wonder about how much this has changed. 

I know lots of conservative or pro police sides are extremely concerned with this. And see it as a result of restricting police. 

I can see that. I also fully understand police need to be policed. 

I have four children who are young adults all in their 20s. I would be distraught if any of them wanted to be a police officer given today's climate. That seems like a bad thing.
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I'm very serious.  It's like some key tenets of our society are unravelling before our eyes.  We need to maintain a certain level of law abiding or we are barely a society. 

 
James Daulton said:
I'm very serious.  It's like some key tenets of our society are unravelling before our eyes.  We need to maintain a certain level of law abiding or we are barely a society. 
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Agree.  It could arise that people take to the streets, armed, to protect their interests and that of their neighbors.

 
Homeless drug addicts hang around the convenience store next to my office and walk out with whatever they want all the time.  Nothing is ever done about it.  I don't know how the convenience store survives, I suppose their prices increase and the cost for all the free stuff gets passed on to me.  Yesterday I got this email (no joke):

There is an individual with no pants on, smoking an illegal substance outside the eastern exit of our building. Police are on their way, but please be careful while leaving the building in the meantime.  Warn others if you notice them leaving the building early today.
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Can't wait to retire and move out of this lawless blue state.

 
Norman Rockwell painting of a store owner teaching a child a life lesson vs. homeless drug addicts smoking crack without pants on.   Sometimes you just got to  :lmao:  at where we are at today or you'd  :cry: .

 
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James Daulton said:
  Where are the store security and the police?
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Direct Headline: San Francisco residents hire private security, citing safety concerns

In February, the San Francisco Police Department released information showing a 340% increase in burglaries compared to last year, Fox News reported. This followed an announcement from Mayor London Breed in June 2020 issuing new policies in which she outlined addressing police bias and trying to "demilitarize" the police. Breed announced at a press conference in July that she would be taking $120 million from the police department's funding over the course of two years and would use it to benefit the black community.

Elizabeth Faddis October 25, 2021

https://www.yahoo.com/now/san-francisco-residents-hire-private-160200231.html

Direct Headline: Cori Bush explains her position on "defund the police" while paying for private security. Her full response.

I have private security because they, the white supremacist racist narrative that they drive into this country.

Vladimir Duthiers August 6, 2021 / 10:59 AM

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cori-bush-defund-the-police-private-security-response/

Direct Headline: Cori Bush Defends Use of Private Security While Calling to Defund the Police: ‘Suck It Up’

So if I end up spending $200,000, if I spend ten more dollars on it, you know what, I get to be here to do the work, so suck it up. And defunding the police has to happen.

Caroline Downey August 5, 2021

https://www.yahoo.com/now/cori-bush-defends-private-security-141503464.html

*****

The Squad, including incoming freshman Cori Bush, have pushed Defunding Te Police the hardest, which has cost the Democratic Party up and down the ticket badly at the voting booths. This is intentional strategy. To destabilize establishment Democrats in existing seats. Consider all of the existing Squad members, except for Ilhan Omar, won their districts by taking down previously favored Democrats in their respective primaries. AOC took Joe Crowley when he had a 10 to 1 spending advantage on her and was completely entrenched with the sitting Party apparatus.

Cori Bush needs to get her name into the national daily media cycle as a "brand name" politician. It's not different from what Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene are doing on the other side of the aisle ( I'm going to be fair about how courting the attention of the existing MSM works here)  So Bush will say as many inciting things as possible to generate the clickbait needed to keep her name out there as someone "doing something about it" when in reality, no one is doing anything about most of these major civil disorder problems.

Cori Bush can afford to hire private security with campaign dollars. Nearly all of you cannot. I can afford a private security detail as a function of my business interests that have been established for decades. I had to pour in blood and sweat and suffer to build my nest egg. Bush just had to show up and start screaming into a microphone.  Nearly all of you don't have that private security option ( Trust me, there are pathways where you wouldn't want it)

Much of this long con political strategy is built upon infighting in the Democratic Party itself. The Progressives have always held a major foothold in Big Education. AOC has more in common with the cultural nuances of the average college student than she does with long standing detached tone deaf establishment Democrats. As the Progressives have a feeder system of young zealots who likely aren't versed in the day to day grind of making their own living yet ( or maybe ever at this point), this is a case of The Squad looking to expand it's reach across the entire nation. One burning city at a time.

Point to note - Cori Bush is spitting in all your faces. She is paid via your tax dollars to represent you and your interests and for the public good. She is supposed to work for you. Does she sound like she's working for the American people? Or does she sound like everyone here is some lowly serf who only exists to further her political career, her cognitive dissonance and her ego?

Do you think Cori Bush is shopping at a grocery store that is getting ransacked by masked and armed looters? Do you think she risks being accosted like the average American citizen out on the street when these looters and rioters hit? Do you think she will hesitate to call all of you racists and bigots if you call out this hypocrisy?

The answer is she already has called you a racist and a bigot.

 
The liberal policies that are decriminalizing theft are to blame.  In CA, they passed prop 47 a number of years ago and theft has risen significantly since and continues to get worse.  Walgreens has closed 17 stores in San Francisco over the last 5 years due to theft making keeping them open untenable.  Similar policies in other cities are encouraging theft.  It turns out that if theft is a slap on the wrist or not prosecuted, more theft is encouraged.  Who would have thought that would happen? 

 
Obviously the solution is to send in teenagers with assault rifles to protect the malls and shopping centers from looters

 
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Godsbrother said:
Obviously the solution is to send in teenagers with assault rifles to protect the malls and shopping centers from looters
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I get that this is a joke, but vigilante "justice" tends to follow in lockstep with a decay in social order.  It's not a coincidence that films like Death Wish and Dirty Harry came out in the early 1970s.  

 
Godsbrother said:
Obviously the solution is to send in teenagers with assault rifles to protect the malls and shopping centers from looters
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nobody has ever done that

but you are right in that if security shot on sight shoplifter/looters, they'd quit doing it. fast

like, if you try to crack someone's skull with a skateboard and a guy shoots you in the chest, the others around who were being violent scatter like rats .... its like that

 
It's easy to be snarky. It's harder to propose actual solutions as the state slowly abdicates it's responsibility to protect innocent people.

 
James Daulton said:
Apologies if there's another thread on this already, but seeing what's continually happening in many cities across the country burns my chaps.

Criminals now apparently feel completely comfortable simply running into a store, grabbing stuff, and running out.  When did this become ok and acceptable?  Where are the store security and the police?  Where are the morals of these people?

Much as I hate to say it, I wouldn't mind seeing all those shops close up and move to the burbs or somewhere else less susceptible to such brazen thievery.  It would suck for the cities but maybe the politicians then would stop pandering to the extreme left and go back to enforcing laws that we've all lived with for a long long time.

To do nothing means a slow deterioration for these cities.  I know that I won't support a city that allows this type of activity to go on unchecked.

Sorry for the rant but like I said my chaps are burnt. 
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Ok here's the thing. As far as the morals, they have really never been there.  Fundamentally people are crappy to each other..that's fact. That's why we have laws and police and jails etc.  But with the latest push to at a minimum lessen those deterrents and in some case disband them(or defund them) it's allowing the terrible in people to come out.  There is always the question...Are people fundamentally bad or good..They are without question fundamentally bad.    This isn't a change in morality, it's a lack of a deterrent any longer.   WHether that's religion, the law, whatever...not there.

 
Sparky Big Time said:
This is appropriate and good.  I perceive that Democrats need to be show the consequences of their horrible ideas, of course they will blame others and never allow that they made a mistake, but voters will know.
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As I noted above, Walgreens has closed 17 stores in total over the last 5 years in SF.  The Dems are not learning anything.

 
John123 said:
As I noted above, Walgreens has closed 17 stores in total over the last 5 years in SF.  The Dems are not learning anything.
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Agree.  It is a strong characteristic that they do not self-reflect, they assume their ideas are without flaw.  Therefore if this is happening is because of someone else.  Sadly they clearly do not learn.

Happily, the voters are aware and the more that Liberals push their horrible ideas, the worse these areas become, and the voters will punch back.

 
Sparky Big Time said:
Agree.  It is a strong characteristic that they do not self-reflect, they assume their ideas are without flaw.  Therefore if this is happening is because of someone else.  Sadly they clearly do not learn.

Happily, the voters are aware and the more that Liberals push their horrible ideas, the worse these areas become, and the voters will punch back.
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We'll see.  The DA in SF is going to have a recall election.  If he's recalled it will restore some faith but I don't think it's a slam dunk that he will be recalled, and it should be.  What I see is a lot of stories and polls where people in SF in large numbers are talking about moving.  My concern is they will move to red/purple areas and then enact he same policies they're fleeing.  Because they don't learn.......

 
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Stoneworker said:
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
I don’t think it’s a good thing for people to steal from stores but this isn’t something that particularly upsets me.  I’m willing to listen though.
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Because you're the one doing the stealing?
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No, I don’t do that.  But I get much more upset at all the ways corporations victimize the poor than the ways in which corporations are victimized by the poor.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
No, I don’t do that.  But I get much more upset at all the ways corporations victimize the poor than the ways in which corporations are victimized by the poor.
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Corporations are not the victims here. The employees and the locals are. The mom and pop shops all closed up because they can't afford shoplifters constantly looting their stuff. So the people that live in those neighborhoods rely on the big chains to get their Rxs. When those stores close up, locals have to travel long distances to get the medicine they need.

Then there's the employees of these stores, most of whom live in the neighborhoods that they are located in. They're out of job that paid a decent wage and provide a good number of hours for very little manual labor. Where are they going to find that on the same area? They too will have to go further, take less pay or simply just be unemployed. 

The CEOs and big wigs at corporations couldnt care less about the everyday ongoings of local stores except for a line on the quarterly report. The people in those neighborhoods are the ones that suffer. 

 
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fatguyinalittlecoat said:
I was primarily thinking of stuff like environmental practices, fair labor practices, shady consumer practices, etc.  

But also, Here’s a Washington Post story about how corporations are responsible for making the rich richer and the poor even poorer.
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I mean that's a more meta discussion and something I've been saying since forever but especially the last year (Amazon, Big Pharma, etc) with enforced lockdowns by the government basically just increasing the power corporations have over us. 

 
John123 said:
We'll see.  The DA in SF is going to have a recall election.  If he's recalled it will restore some faith but I don't think it's a slam dunk that he will be recalled, and it should be.  What I see is a lot of stories and polls where people in SF in large numbers are talking about moving.  My concern is they will move to red/purple areas and then enact he same policies they're fleeing.  Because they don't learn.......
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He'll be recalled and be replaced with someone just as bad or worse.  I mean, it's SF.  That's liberal Valhalla.  Each batch of politicians they vote in every election is worse than the ones that came before it.

 
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