breakdown: WHO's The Better JOHNSON (1 Viewer)

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Interesting that they all have the same last name, but who's the better Johnson for the next 5 years in the league.

I wont rate them cause I REALLY like Calvin but i would like to hear from the consensus on how they rank them.

I guess we can only go off skill/talent since Calvin hasnt played in the nfl.

1.___________

2.___________

3.___________

 

[Chaz McNulty]

I think my Johnson is better (and bigger) than all those listed. I'm a bit of a circus freak though.

 

[Family Matters]

Interesting that they all have the same last name, but who's the better Johnson for the next 5 years in the league.I wont rate them cause I REALLY like Calvin but i would like to hear from the consensus on how they rank them.I guess we can only go off skill/talent since Calvin hasnt played in the nfl.

1. Chad. He's a proven commodity. I would take him over these others without a second thought.2. Calvin. While he's done anything yet I can see the potential. It wouldn't take much catch and pass Andre so I would gladly take my chances with him.3. Andre. A soild top 20 type but not in a situation where his talent is appreciated. His performance will likely be inconsistent.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

I have Calvin rated very high, I have read he has 4.3 speed with all his other skills he posses. That would make him pretty much freakish.

especially for dynasty and one would have to give some thought for him over all wr's in the draft next year. Sure its a gamble but tell that to those that drafted Fitz coming out very very high. He's pretty much the #1 ranked dynasty wr to which Calvin is often compared to, but he is much faster than Fitz and suppose to have a 50" vertical.

 

[Family Matters]

I have Calvin rated very high, I have read he has 4.3 speed with all his other skills he posses. That would make him pretty much freakish. especially for dynasty and one would have to give some thought for him over all wr's in the draft next year. Sure its a gamble but tell that to those that drafted Fitz coming out very very high. He's pretty much the #1 ranked dynasty wr to which Calvin is often compared to, but he is much faster than Fitz and suppose to have a 50" vertical.

Another consideration is what team/coaches he plays for. Offensive philosophies will help or hurt him depending who he plays for.

 

[Biabreakable]

I would like to see what Andre could do with a Qb like Carson Palmer.

Calvin Johnson may end up with similar issues as far as lack of supporting cast that Andre has had to overcome.

 

[x260bm]

until I see Calvin actually play for a NFL team...

Chad

Andre

Calvin

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

The funny thing about can't miss prospects is that they can miss.

Chad

Andre

Calvin

 

[Islander]

The funny thing about can't miss prospects is that they can miss.ChadAndreCalvin

There is nobody in their right mind that would trade for Calvin by giving up Chad or Andre straight up in a dynasty league.ChadAndre.........CalvinI have only seen Calvin play in 2 games, and for all the hype I had heard, I come out not that impressed. Maybe I just caught his worse two games?

 

[-OZ-]

Unless calvin ends up on a team with a QB like Palmer and a gameplan like Lewis's, this isn't debateable.

Andre OTOH, isn't far ahead of Calvin. A little IMO, but it's arguable.

 

[lod2005]

There is nobody in their right mind that would trade for Calvin by giving up Chad or Andre straight up in a dynasty league.I have only seen Calvin play in 2 games, and for all the hype I had heard, I come out not that impressed. Maybe I just caught his worse two games?

He has only played 1 game with a legitimate college QB and that was his last game. The rest of the time he played with a POS called Reggie Ball. Now if I knew that Andre was going to be stuck with the POS called Carr, I would trade him all day long for Calvin Johnson. There is not bigger WR killer than David Carr. Fortunately I have both Calvin and Andre. If Palmer was the QB for each of these it goes like this:CalvinAndreChadThe QB is the difference.

 

[billyjoe]

The funny thing about can't miss prospects is that they can miss.ChadAndreCalvin

There is nobody in their right mind that would trade for Calvin by giving up Chad or Andre straight up in a dynasty league.ChadAndre.CalvinI have only seen Calvin play in 2 games, and for all the hype I had heard, I come out not that impressed. Maybe I just caught his worse two games?

You kidding?Dynasty, PPR, check the AC forum someone offered Boldin for 1.02 to get Calvin. Was rejected. Offered Boldin for 1.03, was rejected. To get Calvin at your rookie draft, you're going to have to give up SS/Chad Johnson. Sad but true.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Who's going to throw him the ball if he goes to Oakland?

 

[-OZ-]

If Palmer was the QB for each of these it goes like this:CalvinAndreChadThe QB is the difference.

Even if Cincinati drafted Calvin, I would not trade Ocho Cinco for him. You would?I suppose it's a matter of risk tolerance, but Chad has been a top WR for a few years now and should have at least 4 years left at a high level.

 

[-OZ-]

Calvin Johnson seems to be the most highly regarded prospect since Charles Rogers, Peter Warrick and Braylon Edwards. I'll keep Chad Johnson, an every year top 5 fantasty WR. By the way Chad Johnson had his best fantasy season in 2003, Kitna was his QB, not Palmer.

Fitzgerald was more highly than any of those. He is the guy most comparable to Clavin. Your point is still valid.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

As of this moment, I would put Calvin right around WR15 in my dynasty rankings - on a par with guys like Colston, DJackson, TO, Ward, Santana.

 

[Islander]

There is nobody in their right mind that would trade for Calvin by giving up Chad or Andre straight up in a dynasty league.I have only seen Calvin play in 2 games, and for all the hype I had heard, I come out not that impressed. Maybe I just caught his worse two games?

He has only played 1 game with a legitimate college QB and that was his last game. The rest of the time he played with a POS called Reggie Ball. Now if I knew that Andre was going to be stuck with the POS called Carr, I would trade him all day long for Calvin Johnson. There is not bigger WR killer than David Carr. Fortunately I have both Calvin and Andre. If Palmer was the QB for each of these it goes like this:CalvinAndreChadThe QB is the difference.

Well that's the point, Andre will not be playing with Carr for very long. One more year at the most. I don't necessarily dispute your rankings if Palmer was the QB for all three (maybe not my rankings, but it's not ridiculous either), but the fact is that Chad has Palmer right now, Andre will not have Carr for much longer, and Calvin has a very good chance of ending up in an unfavorable situation.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Well I basically traded AJ for the rights to rookie pick 1.03. I am very intrigued by CJ but also if there is a rb that grades out high and lands in a sweet spot he may be my pick there and there's always a chance that 1.02 takes CJ leaving me Lynch.

My other top wr's are (now) Harrison Boldin V.Jackson B.Jones.

So yes....there are some out here that would trade AJ for the rights to a top 3 rookie pick.

 

[shamrock84]

Rudi

 

[stevegamer]

Let me preface this by saying I have been avoiding Andre Johnson in redrafts pretty much every year he's been in the league.

1. Chad Johnson

2. Andre Johnson

3. Calvin Johnson

I think anyone who trades Chad for Calvin is really crazy, unless they have some factor other than talent & NFL production - like a scoring system that favors rookies or a major contract difference in auction.

Calvin essentially has no more upside than Chad has, but has a ton more downside risk at this moment, some of that will become clearer post-draft.

Andre has no bust risk at this point, but his situation is not stellar. However, it is improving. At this moment, I'd put Andre ahead of Calvin, due to much less downside.

 

[bez18]

The funny thing about can't miss prospects is that they can miss.ChadAndreCalvin

This kid is probably too good to miss, but you still never know!

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Chad

Andre

Calvin

...Calvin's value is based solely on speculation at this point.

Which is not enough to vault him ahead of the other 2 Johnsons

who have proven their worth on the NFL level.

 

[majstro]

My 12-team dynasty league switches to starting three receivers this year. I am fortunate to have Holt, Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Lee Evans, Braylon Edwards, Marques Colston and Vincent Jackson. Depending on where Calvin goes, I am giving some serious consideration to a trade of Holt straight up for him. Am I nuts?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

My 12-team dynasty league switches to starting three receivers this year. I am fortunate to have Holt, Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Lee Evans, Braylon Edwards, Marques Colston and Vincent Jackson. Depending on where Calvin goes, I am giving some serious consideration to a trade of Holt straight up for him. Am I nuts?

You should be able to get much more. In other words.....you're nuts.

 

[Nugget]

Chad

Calvin

Andre

 

[Englishteacher]

I think my Johnson is better (and bigger) than all those listed. I'm a bit of a circus freak though.

Damn, my line was stolen by the first post. Of course I was going to say my Johnson. Don't have any merit in speaking on Chaz mcNulty's behalf and don't want to either.

 

[-OZ-]

My 12-team dynasty league switches to starting three receivers this year. I am fortunate to have Holt, Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Lee Evans, Braylon Edwards, Marques Colston and Vincent Jackson. Depending on where Calvin goes, I am giving some serious consideration to a trade of Holt straight up for him. Am I nuts?

Yeah, the other team won't take that. Holt is only a top 3 WR, and an elderly 31.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

But in most of my dynastys which are favored slightly to rb's ANY wr not named FITZ can be had for a top 3 rookie pick or lower. Every year in i see it over and over again....probaly cause someone wants that next great young rb and wr's can be had.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

But in most of my dynastys which are favored slightly to rb's ANY wr not named FITZ can be had for a top 3 rookie pick or lower. Every year in i see it over and over again....probaly cause someone wants that next great young rb and wr's can be had.

Reg, the point here is that starting 3 RBs where there areonly 32+ featured in the NFL compared to 64 starting WRs,the RBs definately hold more weight.Which is why I'm going RB / RB with 1.02 and 1.04.