Breastfeeding (1 Viewer)

[Otis]

"Doc, yes I know my wife is having complications, so let's not administer that drug, but let's instead administer another I heard about in this class I took. Thanks."

 

[the moops]

I'm surprised Otis even eats real food. Seems to me there must be some engineered power vitamin slop he could chug down and avoid all the hassles of eating and preparing food.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

There seems to be some outrage brewing in this thread.

What side should I choose?

My bio: I was a young, immature dolt when I had my first kid. I probably (likely) did everything wrong. My first born isn't in jail or stripping yet, so at least I got that going for me, which is nice.

 

[Dragons]

"Doc, yes I know my wife is having complications, so let's not administer that drug, but let's instead administer another I heard about in this class I took. Thanks."

Women have been having complications for thousands of years without drugs. Why is one necessary now?

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

I tried breastfeedingseeing no mouth i assumed they drank through that protuberance as if it was a straw, so i stuck my wife's breast into a cup of lemonadejudging from her reaction her breast was not hungryi may see if they can feed while she is sleeping

does having em' pinched count? I've had that done to me before.

 

[B-Deep]

There seems to be some outrage brewing in this thread.What side should I choose? My bio: I was a young, immature dolt when I had my first kid. I probably (likely) did everything wrong. My first born isn't in jail or stripping yet, so at least I got that going for me, which is nice.

well otis is on one sidebut moops is on the otherseems like both sides are losersi recommended the boob jokes side

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

There seems to be some outrage brewing in this thread.What side should I choose? My bio: I was a young, immature dolt when I had my first kid. I probably (likely) did everything wrong. My first born isn't in jail or stripping yet, so at least I got that going for me, which is nice.

update: I am still pretty young and immature. Only 30% dolt though.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

maybe some moms just want their bodies back? Waking up every two-three hours after carrying a baby to term and giving birth to it is an unbelievable undertaking, lets cut a little slack to those that forgo breastfeeding because they just don't want to do it. Much like the abortion debate, it's way too easy for men to opine harshly about a subject when they don't have to bear the direct consequences.

Unacceptable if its the best thing for the child. A mom putting wanting her body back over whats best for her child is not fair game for criticism? At least admit its a selfish decision. No room for selfishness when you become a parent.

Sometimes parents have to do selfish things for their own sanity, which on the whole is actually what is best for the child. Fathers actions (or inactions) are never put under this kind of microscope. Where are the "how can people watch football on Sundays instead of play with their kids"? threads? It is understood that when you become a parent you are still going to do some of the things you want to do, even when you could be doing something for your kids. Such as spending money on anything but necessities. Where are the "how can people buy big screen TVs when they could put that money in their kids college fund?" threads? If fathers were subject to RBM's standard, most would be doing "unacceptable" things every day.

 

[squidrope]

"Doc, yes I know my wife is having complications, so let's not administer that drug, but let's instead administer another I heard about in this class I took. Thanks."

You got moxie.

 

[Clifford]

"Doc, yes I know my wife is having complications, so let's not administer that drug, but let's instead administer another I heard about in this class I took. Thanks."

Women have been having complications for thousands of years without drugs. Why is one necessary now?

The historical level of maternal deaths is probably around 1 in 100 births.[14] Mortality rates reached very high levels in maternity institutions in the 1800s, sometimes climbing to 40 percent of birthgiving women. At the beginning of the 1900s, maternal death rates were around 1 in 100 for live births.[citation needed] The number in 2005 in the United States is 11 in 100,000, a decline by two orders of magnitude,[11] although that figure has begun to rise in recent years, having nearly tripled over the past decade in California.[15] For the United States, 11 in 100,000 is one of the lowest estimates. Maternal deaths in the United States range up to 17 per 100,000 live births.[16]The decline in maternal deaths has been due largely to improved asepsis, fluid management and blood transfusion, and better prenatal care.[citation needed] Recommendations for reducing maternal mortality include access to health care, access to family planning services, and emergency obstetric care, funding and intrapartum care.[17]

 

[BobbyLayne]

What's awesome about this 9 pages and counting thread is it's not about a decision the moops made or Otis or myself or anyone else. We're defending a choice our wives made. I guarantee you if ms. moops went formula and Otis went breast fed, they would have little to no influence on how that choice was made - let's not kid ourselves here - and would be just as vehement defending the choice.

 

[Clifford]

We have a 2 month old, and my wife does breat feed. But the vast majority of people in our neighboorhood do not. The common explanation, for those that were able, "I tried, but i just really didn't like it"

This is more what I am talking about. I find that reasoning detestable.

maybe some moms just want their bodies back? Waking up every two-three hours after carrying a baby to term and giving birth to it is an unbelievable undertaking, lets cut a little slack to those that forgo breastfeeding because they just don't want to do it. Much like the abortion debate, it's way too easy for men to opine harshly about a subject when they don't have to bear the direct consequences.

Unacceptable if its the best thing for the child. A mom putting wanting her body back over whats best for her child is not fair game for criticism? At least admit its a selfish decision. No room for selfishness when you become a parent.

Sometimes parents have to do selfish things for their own sanity, which on the whole is actually what is best for the child. Fathers actions (or inactions) are never put under this kind of microscope. Where are the "how can people watch football on Sundays instead of play with their kids"? threads? It is understood that when you become a parent you are still going to do some of the things you want to do, even when you could be doing something for your kids. Such as spending money on anything but necessities. Where are the "how can people buy big screen TVs when they could put that money in their kids college fund?" threads? If fathers were subject to RBM's standard, most would be doing "unacceptable" things every day.

Who are you and what the hell are you doing posting in Sig's account?

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Couple points for the short-sighted. First, the "it's been this way for tens of thousands of years" is an idiotic argument. The infant mortality rate 20 years ago, 200 years ago and 2,000 years ago are vastly different. For those of you making this argument, how would you feel about your wife giving birth in a cave? This brings me to my second point. You don't always get to choose where your wife or significant other gives birth. One buddy had to deliver his kid while on the phone with an advice nurse. Was he glad he took a birthing class? Yep. Furthermore, you don't always get to choose who is there. If your wife has a prolonged labor, you'll have a lot of down time with noone around. Might be nice if you had a sense of what's going on.

You don't have to read a book but hell, what's wrong with a four-hour class? I took an evening class with my wife and missed Foster rack it up against Indy on MNF and missed the Giants winning the World Series. Now I got a beautiful six-month old. I'd do it again in a heartbeat a hundred times if I had to. And believe me, there were some God-awful scary moments during labor and birth.

 

[commisholio]

Am I the only one who confuses moops and goggins?

Pretty sure you are, GB.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

It's recognition of the fact that people have been making babies in the African bush for thousands of years.

Not with formula.

 

[Road Dogg]

What's awesome about this 9 pages and counting thread is it's not about a decision the moops made or Otis or myself or anyone else. We're defending a choice our wives made. I guarantee you if ms. moops went formula and Otis went breast fed, they would have little to no influence on how that choice was made - let's not kid ourselves here - and would be just as vehement defending the choice.

True, but the rest of us can debate it. I know I would let Mrs Otis breastfeed me, but if she tries and shove a bottle of formula in my mouth I am just gonna go find a hooker

 

[Clifford]

When I saw "last post by Road Dogg" I knew it would be worth it.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

gigle

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I can't believe effing Yale medical school is that low in the rankings. Who would have guessed???

It's only low for primary care. It's #5 for research.It is kind of weird, though.

 

[The Football Freak]

Couple points for the short-sighted. First, the "it's been this way for tens of thousands of years" is an idiotic argument. The infant mortality rate 20 years ago, 200 years ago and 2,000 years ago are vastly different. For those of you making this argument, how would you feel about your wife giving birth in a cave? This brings me to my second point. You don't always get to choose where your wife or significant other gives birth. One buddy had to deliver his kid while on the phone with an advice nurse. Was he glad he took a birthing class? Yep. Furthermore, you don't always get to choose who is there. If your wife has a prolonged labor, you'll have a lot of down time with noone around. Might be nice if you had a sense of what's going on. You don't have to read a book but hell, what's wrong with a four-hour class? I took an evening class with my wife and missed Foster rack it up against Indy on MNF and missed the Giants winning the World Series. Now I got a beautiful six-month old. I'd do it again in a heartbeat a hundred times if I had to. And believe me, there were some God-awful scary moments during labor and birth.

Being informed and making the right decisions for you is not a bad thing. Maybe you want to forego the epidural in order to proceed more naturally, or maybe you don't want to have certain drugs administered that can bypass the placenta and go into your child. Books and classes aren't just for when everything goes right, and they also don't have a form you sign after the cover page to strictly follow their guidelines. There's more than a little fishing is going on here, but I wanted to reply anyway.As for breast feeding, obviously it is what's best for the child, but maybe it isn't what's best for the family. They made formula for a reason, and it does the job. The mother may miss out on some bonding, or passing on some good benefits for the tyke's immune system, but this allows for better bonding with the poor unlactating fathers out there. Not every mom will have the time to feed and pump to allow this to happen.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

My 4 month old is allergic to pretty much everything. He drinks some sorta synthetic stuff made by nasa for cyborgs.

Take that tree huggers~@!~@

 

[PIK95]

Are you holding your baby right now?

I have 4 weeks paid paternity leave. Good stuff.

I am a stay at home dad. :retiredtoo:

 

[PIK95]

Hey, it's her body. She can do what she likes with it.

Yeah, it's also a huge benefit to the child that came out of that body. I think too many people put their own crap before their children's well being. Just don't understand people not wanting to do everything possible to make their child as healthy as possible.

My wife wasn't able to and it killed her not to be able to provide that for our son.

He'll be fine, Worried Wanda.

Yeah, he's fine - bigger than his 8 year old cousin at 4 1/2. It was sad for us/her not to be able to do this, so it does irk me when women don't even try to do this for their children, or seemingly not even consider it.

You seem to be fine with the scientifically engineered stuff, which is fine. I think you would be very hard pressed to find a peds doctor that wasn't 100% fully on board with the breast feeding and had it high on the things that are important to focus on. One of the few things seemingly pushed at the hospital and were careful to help with getting that connection with the mom and baby. This isn't new aged hippy ####.

The 'I turned out fine' stuff doesn't fly with me when I am making decisions. My parents smoked in the car with me in it - I turned out fairly OK, but it doesn't mean I would to the same or would be willing to take the chance at harming my kid. I just don't get why somebody wouldn't do this unless they couldn't medically, but I am not going to preach to parents on the street or anything.

GREAT POSTING!

 

[Frostillicus]

Otis's delivery here is approaching some of the old time greats in terms of douchery, but I'm on his side anyway. He's mostly right (I mean about being a relaxed parent, that is).

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

wonder where Freud weighed in on breast feeding v. bottle feeding.

 

[BigJohn]

Speaking of benefits of the mother...the same medical school Oats Dr. Attended did a study that shows women who breastfeed 2 years or longer reduce their risk of breast cancer by 50%. I'm sure oats doesn't need to worry about that because he'll already have upgraded to a newer model wife by that time.

If a woman is breastfeeding a 2 year old, I'm gonna look at her real funny-like.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Otis's delivery here is approaching some of the old time greats in terms of douchery, but I'm on his side anyway. He's mostly right (I mean about being a relaxed parent, that is).

I just looked this up on both a parenting site I frequent and a reference manual I keep at my desk. Confirmed here.

 

[the moops]

"Doc, yes I know my wife is having complications, so let's not administer that drug, but let's instead administer another I heard about in this class I took. Thanks."

Women have been having complications for thousands of years without drugs. Why is one necessary now?

The historical level of maternal deaths is probably around 1 in 100 births.[14] Mortality rates reached very high levels in maternity institutions in the 1800s, sometimes climbing to 40 percent of birthgiving women. At the beginning of the 1900s, maternal death rates were around 1 in 100 for live births.[citation needed] The number in 2005 in the United States is 11 in 100,000, a decline by two orders of magnitude,[11] although that figure has begun to rise in recent years, having nearly tripled over the past decade in California.[15] For the United States, 11 in 100,000 is one of the lowest estimates. Maternal deaths in the United States range up to 17 per 100,000 live births.[16]The decline in maternal deaths has been due largely to improved asepsis, fluid management and blood transfusion, and better prenatal care.[citation needed] Recommendations for reducing maternal mortality include access to health care, access to family planning services, and emergency obstetric care, funding and intrapartum care.[17]

You mean to tell us advances in emergency care leads to fewer deaths? Holy ####

 

[PIK95]

Hey, it's her body. She can do what she likes with it.

Yeah, it's also a huge benefit to the child that came out of that body. I think too many people put their own crap before their children's well being. Just don't understand people not wanting to do everything possible to make their child as healthy as possible.

My wife wasn't able to and it killed her not to be able to provide that for our son.

He'll be fine, Worried Wanda.

Yeah, he's fine - bigger than his 8 year old cousin at 4 1/2. It was sad for us/her not to be able to do this, so it does irk me when women don't even try to do this for their children, or seemingly not even consider it.

You seem to be fine with the scientifically engineered stuff, which is fine. I think you would be very hard pressed to find a peds doctor that wasn't 100% fully on board with the breast feeding and had it high on the things that are important to focus on. One of the few things seemingly pushed at the hospital and were careful to help with getting that connection with the mom and baby. This isn't new aged hippy ####.

The 'I turned out fine' stuff doesn't fly with me when I am making decisions. My parents smoked in the car with me in it - I turned out fairly OK, but it doesn't mean I would to the same or would be willing to take the chance at harming my kid. I just don't get why somebody wouldn't do this unless they couldn't medically, but I am not going to preach to parents on the street or anything.

I'm sorry we irked you. I hope you one day get over this deep and painful wound of your child having to eat --- GASP -- man-made food!Will your kid be heading to the organic produce store exclusively from here to all eternity?

My kids eat 95% organic foods. Strawberries is one you don't want to give your kids unless it's organic as it has thin skin and the pesticides can't be washed off the inside.

 

[PIK95]

Otis is losing his #### in here. Holy hell

It's not exclusive to this thread.

Link?Last time I lost my #### was when I tried to convince you hillbillies to stop guzzling 12-packs of Pepsi. I've been pretty tame ever since.As an aside, I wonder how many of these parenting nerds have their kids sloshing around in 2-liter bottles of Coca-Cola on an average weekend.

My kids never had soda or even hotdogs in their lives. I don't consider myself a parent nerd either.

 

[Frostillicus]

Hey, it's her body. She can do what she likes with it.

Yeah, it's also a huge benefit to the child that came out of that body. I think too many people put their own crap before their children's well being. Just don't understand people not wanting to do everything possible to make their child as healthy as possible.

My wife wasn't able to and it killed her not to be able to provide that for our son.

He'll be fine, Worried Wanda.

Yeah, he's fine - bigger than his 8 year old cousin at 4 1/2. It was sad for us/her not to be able to do this, so it does irk me when women don't even try to do this for their children, or seemingly not even consider it.

You seem to be fine with the scientifically engineered stuff, which is fine. I think you would be very hard pressed to find a peds doctor that wasn't 100% fully on board with the breast feeding and had it high on the things that are important to focus on. One of the few things seemingly pushed at the hospital and were careful to help with getting that connection with the mom and baby. This isn't new aged hippy ####.

The 'I turned out fine' stuff doesn't fly with me when I am making decisions. My parents smoked in the car with me in it - I turned out fairly OK, but it doesn't mean I would to the same or would be willing to take the chance at harming my kid. I just don't get why somebody wouldn't do this unless they couldn't medically, but I am not going to preach to parents on the street or anything.

I'm sorry we irked you. I hope you one day get over this deep and painful wound of your child having to eat --- GASP -- man-made food!Will your kid be heading to the organic produce store exclusively from here to all eternity?

My kids eat 95% organic foods. Strawberries is one you don't want to give your kids unless it's organic as it has thin skin and the pesticides can't be washed off the inside.

My kid eats non-organic strawberries all the time - she can't get enough of 'em. Must be why she's only in the 25th percentile for height. And all this time I thought it was because both her parents were tiny kids growing up.

 

[the moops]

PIK is a good man

 

[Otis]

What's awesome about this 9 pages and counting thread is it's not about a decision the moops made or Otis or myself or anyone else. We're defending a choice our wives made. I guarantee you if ms. moops went formula and Otis went breast fed, they would have little to no influence on how that choice was made - let's not kid ourselves here - and would be just as vehement defending the choice.

Could be. Difference is I wouldn't be starting a thread suggesting the rest of you are jay-holes and bad parents simply because you chose to formula feed.

 

[Otis]

It's recognition of the fact that people have been making babies in the African bush for thousands of years.

Not with formula.

The formula and baby making parts were unrelated.

 

[Otis]

Otis's delivery here is approaching some of the old time greats in terms of douchery, but I'm on his side anyway. He's mostly right (I mean about being a relaxed parent, that is).

Just shut up and stop at "I agree with Otis" like the other smart guys.

 

[Otis]

Otis is losing his #### in here. Holy hell

It's not exclusive to this thread.

Link?Last time I lost my #### was when I tried to convince you hillbillies to stop guzzling 12-packs of Pepsi. I've been pretty tame ever since.As an aside, I wonder how many of these parenting nerds have their kids sloshing around in 2-liter bottles of Coca-Cola on an average weekend.

My kids never had soda or even hotdogs in their lives. I don't consider myself a parent nerd either.

No hot dogs? Cool, so you're an un-American parent raising little communists.

 

[Otis]

I gotta be honest and say thank you moops, I had a lot of fun in this thread. I came out guns blazing on page 3 seriously pissed off at your baseless and crappy false presuppositions and judgmental suggestions, but by page 8 I was having fun banging heads with a bunch of crappy aliai like it was 2006 all over. So thank you for that.

EAT IT PARENTING NERDS

 

[Early_10]

Lots of internet Phd's dispensed this morning.

You sound a little defensive.

 

[ODoyleRules]

Speaking of benefits of the mother...the same medical school Oats Dr. Attended did a study that shows women who breastfeed 2 years or longer reduce their risk of breast cancer by 50%. I'm sure oats doesn't need to worry about that because he'll already have upgraded to a newer model wife by that time.

If a woman is breastfeeding a 2 year old, I'm gonna look at her real funny-like.

I have my 4 yo daughter suck on my boobs - it's bonding after all. Anyone else that isn't doing this, is selfish, doesn't do the very best for their kids and is generally not a good parent.

 

[Otis]

Lots of internet Phd's dispensed this morning.

You sound a little defensive.

Of the internet? Someone needs to be, or you people will ruin it.

 

[Otis]

Speaking of benefits of the mother...the same medical school Oats Dr. Attended did a study that shows women who breastfeed 2 years or longer reduce their risk of breast cancer by 50%. I'm sure oats doesn't need to worry about that because he'll already have upgraded to a newer model wife by that time.

If a woman is breastfeeding a 2 year old, I'm gonna look at her real funny-like.

I have my 4 yo daughter suck on my boobs - it's bonding after all. Anyone else that isn't doing this, is selfish, doesn't do the very best for their kids and is generally not a good parent.

My wife was pretty selfish for putting the kid to bed a half hour early last night -- 6:30 instead of her usually-scheduled and optimally-selected 7pm -- because the kid was being cranky and we wanted some peace.That was really scummy. If only she cared more for our child.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Hey, it's her body. She can do what she likes with it.

Yeah, it's also a huge benefit to the child that came out of that body. I think too many people put their own crap before their children's well being. Just don't understand people not wanting to do everything possible to make their child as healthy as possible.

My wife wasn't able to and it killed her not to be able to provide that for our son.

He'll be fine, Worried Wanda.

Yeah, he's fine - bigger than his 8 year old cousin at 4 1/2. It was sad for us/her not to be able to do this, so it does irk me when women don't even try to do this for their children, or seemingly not even consider it.

You seem to be fine with the scientifically engineered stuff, which is fine. I think you would be very hard pressed to find a peds doctor that wasn't 100% fully on board with the breast feeding and had it high on the things that are important to focus on. One of the few things seemingly pushed at the hospital and were careful to help with getting that connection with the mom and baby. This isn't new aged hippy ####.

The 'I turned out fine' stuff doesn't fly with me when I am making decisions. My parents smoked in the car with me in it - I turned out fairly OK, but it doesn't mean I would to the same or would be willing to take the chance at harming my kid. I just don't get why somebody wouldn't do this unless they couldn't medically, but I am not going to preach to parents on the street or anything.

I'm sorry we irked you. I hope you one day get over this deep and painful wound of your child having to eat --- GASP -- man-made food!Will your kid be heading to the organic produce store exclusively from here to all eternity?

My kids eat 95% organic foods. Strawberries is one you don't want to give your kids unless it's organic as it has thin skin and the pesticides can't be washed off the inside.

My kid eats non-organic strawberries all the time - she can't get enough of 'em. Must be why she's only in the 25th percentile for height. And all this time I thought it was because both her parents were tiny kids growing up.

Nope, because my kid mows them too and he's mid-90s across the board. He's a 42 regular now, he's huge.

 

[The Comedian]

Pretty much the worst thread ever.

I'll just add that I have my first on the way (ETA October) aaaand my wife gets 16 paid weeks from her employer + 18 paid weeks (at a lower rate) from the government. GB Australia.

 

[The Comedian]

moops -> the first time you go buy McDonald's for dinner because things are too hectic to cook dinner one night, i advise against posting about it here.

 

[BobbyLayne]

moops -> the first time you go buy McDonald's for dinner because things are too hectic to cook dinner one night, i advise against posting about it here.

Not sure the Twin Cities has the McVeggie Sandwich yet...

 

[the moops]

moops -> the first time you go buy McDonald's for dinner because things are too hectic to cook dinner one night, i advise against posting about it here.

Not sure the Twin Cities has the McVeggie Sandwich yet...

Yea. There will be no McDonalds for my little guy even if they dud have mcveggie (which they may already have for all I know)

 

[Idiot Boxer]

moops -> the first time you go buy McDonald's for dinner because things are too hectic to cook dinner one night, i advise against posting about it here.

Not sure the Twin Cities has the McVeggie Sandwich yet...

Yea. There will be no McDonalds for my little guy even if they dud have mcveggie (which they may already have for all I know)

I wish little Ollie Oak Marinovich a quick tour through rehab.

 

[the moops]

moops -> the first time you go buy McDonald's for dinner because things are too hectic to cook dinner one night, i advise against posting about it here.

Not sure the Twin Cities has the McVeggie Sandwich yet...

Yea. There will be no McDonalds for my little guy even if they dud have mcveggie (which they may already have for all I know)

I wish little Ollie Oak Marinovich a quick tour through rehab.

Now that is not nice.

 

[Otis]

moops -> the first time you go buy McDonald's for dinner because things are too hectic to cook dinner one night, i advise against posting about it here.

Not sure the Twin Cities has the McVeggie Sandwich yet...

Yea. There will be no McDonalds for my little guy even if they dud have mcveggie (which they may already have for all I know)

I wish little Ollie Oak Marinovich a quick tour through rehab.

lol

 

[Otis]

Pretty much the worst thread ever.

You know how I know you're new here?