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Brees to Moore TD (1 Viewer)
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Ditka is God
Footballguy
Interesting question ... they obviously scored it as a pass. Hadn't really focused on whether it was a forward pass or a backwards pass. What does it look like on the replay?
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Does anyone have a clip of the play?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Wow. Very interesting. That didn't even occur to me. Looks to me like Brees released the ball between the 9 and 10 yard line and Moore caught it right at the 10 or slightly behind it. Losing that Brees TD would be a pretty big blow to my opponent. 
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PosterNutBag
Footballguy
i just watched the replay a few times and i agree it's close, but to me it looks like a lateral (i think Moore catches it at the exact lateral mark on the field that Brees releases it)
if it is a lateral, then i think that makes this play technically a rush since a lateral is not a forward pass
just my
if it is a lateral, then i think that makes this play technically a rush since a lateral is not a forward pass
just my
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
If it went backward, it's a lateral. But it's REALLY close. Remember, you have to follow the ball, not the players' feet. It's really close.i just watched the replay a few times and i agree it's close, but to me it looks like a lateral (i think Moore catches it at the exact lateral mark on the field that Brees releases it)if it is a lateral, then i think that makes this play technically a rush since a lateral is not a forward passjust my
I went back and watched it ten or fifteen times after someone in the thread noted that it was close, when I first watched it live I honestly didn't notice, but it was indeed VERY close to a backwards pass.
I could honestly see it getting scored either way, but I think it was a (very slightly) forward pass. If you ignore where the players' feet are when they throw/catch the ball and instead focus on what matters - the path of the ball - it appears to be going about a quarter of a yard forward.
It should be noted that I'm playing AGAINST Brees this week. I'd be surprised if they change the call from how it's been scored as of right now - as a pass TD - since it's probably close enough to go either way.
I could honestly see it getting scored either way, but I think it was a (very slightly) forward pass. If you ignore where the players' feet are when they throw/catch the ball and instead focus on what matters - the path of the ball - it appears to be going about a quarter of a yard forward.
It should be noted that I'm playing AGAINST Brees this week. I'd be surprised if they change the call from how it's been scored as of right now - as a pass TD - since it's probably close enough to go either way.
PosterNutBag
Footballguy
exactly... i was following the ball ... i think following the feet makes it definitely backwards ... a lateral is backwards or sideways, but not forward ... i am 100% it was not forward, which makes it not a pass IMO ... it looked to be 100% sideways to me, but if i am wrong then my 2nd choice is backwards by a few inches (definitely not forward)i think the evidence that it didn't go forward is convincing enough that Brees will lose a TD pass on this and it will be turned into a rush for Moorefull disclosure: i have no FF interest in this play whatsoeverIf it went backward, it's a lateral. But it's REALLY close. Remember, you have to follow the ball, not the players' feet. It's really close.i just watched the replay a few times and i agree it's close, but to me it looks like a lateral (i think Moore catches it at the exact lateral mark on the field that Brees releases it)if it is a lateral, then i think that makes this play technically a rush since a lateral is not a forward passjust my
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Interesting. I'm biased because I have Brees....but the film doesn't look conclusive enough that they should overturn it. That said, since I own Brees, no doubt that this will be ruled a lateral.exactly... i was following the ball ... i think following the feet makes it definitely backwards ... a lateral is backwards or sideways, but not forward ... i am 100% it was not forward, which makes it not a pass IMO ... it looked to be 100% sideways to me, but if i am wrong then my 2nd choice is backwards by a few inches (definitely not forward)i think the evidence that it didn't go forward is convincing enough that Brees will lose a TD pass on this and it will be turned into a rush for Moorefull disclosure: i have no FF interest in this play whatsoeverIf it went backward, it's a lateral. But it's REALLY close. Remember, you have to follow the ball, not the players' feet. It's really close.i just watched the replay a few times and i agree it's close, but to me it looks like a lateral (i think Moore catches it at the exact lateral mark on the field that Brees releases it)if it is a lateral, then i think that makes this play technically a rush since a lateral is not a forward passjust my
PosterNutBag
Footballguy
yea, it's close, but to me it looks like he plants just behind the 9 yards line and then is moving slightly backwards as he throws it to Moore ... so, to me the ball looks like it leaves his hand right about the 9.6 yard line and gets caught by Moore at the same spot or just behind (maybe at the 9.8 yard line?) ... i just don't see how it went forward (especially with having to overcome Brees' backwards momentum as he threw it)Interesting. I'm biased because I have Brees....but the film doesn't look conclusive enough that they should overturn it. That said, since I own Brees, no doubt that this will be ruled a lateral.exactly... i was following the ball ... i think following the feet makes it definitely backwards ... a lateral is backwards or sideways, but not forward ... i am 100% it was not forward, which makes it not a pass IMO ... it looked to be 100% sideways to me, but if i am wrong then my 2nd choice is backwards by a few inches (definitely not forward)i think the evidence that it didn't go forward is convincing enough that Brees will lose a TD pass on this and it will be turned into a rush for Moorefull disclosure: i have no FF interest in this play whatsoeverIf it went backward, it's a lateral. But it's REALLY close. Remember, you have to follow the ball, not the players' feet. It's really close.i just watched the replay a few times and i agree it's close, but to me it looks like a lateral (i think Moore catches it at the exact lateral mark on the field that Brees releases it)if it is a lateral, then i think that makes this play technically a rush since a lateral is not a forward passjust my
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
This is exactly how I saw it. I immediately knew it was close and went back and watched over and over before I even saw the extra point.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
No dog in the fight. Let me get that out of the way.
I would be stunned if the NFL turned this into a rushing TD.
First, it was extremely close and in the larger scope, it's not worth going all Zapruder film on.
I would be stunned if the NFL turned this into a rushing TD.
First, it was extremely close and in the larger scope, it's not worth going all Zapruder film on.
If it is deemed a lateral, how/when will the NFL reverse that and when would it be changed in box score/stats? Maybe a dumb question, but just wondering.
Also,
In my league, the batted pass that Brees caught at the end of the game was recorded as a reception. Should it be?
Also,
In my league, the batted pass that Brees caught at the end of the game was recorded as a reception. Should it be?
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BACK, AND TO THE LEFT. BACK...AND TO THE LEFT.
T J
Footballguy
Yes, it should be.
Ladsud
Footballguy
In a yahoo league I had a score change on a thursday morning a few weeks back, couldnt tell ya when NFL releases the final stats.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Brees is the NFL's GOLDEN BOY!
They would not dare mess with his stats.
They would not dare mess with his stats.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
It's extremely rare for the Elias Sports Bureau to change a pass to a run. I check their stat changes every week and I can't remember it happening in the last 5 years.
Loomba
Footballguy
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
. I agree. Brees' hand is above the 10 yard line when he releases the pass. Moore's hands are ever so slightly in front of the 10 yard line when he catches the ball.I am not playing Brees in any league but would prefer it be scored as a lateral or backwards pass as I'd rather not face the Brees owner next week, assuming we both win...!
nice pass, prettyboy. i think it definitely went backward, but i'd also be somewhat surprised if they changed it to a rushing td since it really doesn't matter and if they change it then there will be crying.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
I am actually playing against Brees but this was a pass. It isn't where his feet are, it is where the ball is as it leaves his hand. Looks to me like Brees' hand was actually just outside of the 10 yd line when he released it, and Moore caught the pass just inside of the 10 yard line. Forward pass... TD.
I'd be shocked if they didn't. This doesn't impact the game like instant replay. Elias Sports Bureau whose job is to get all scoring right (announced each Thursday morning) cares enough to split hairs on the most unimportant details. They don't care about FFL, only about making sure to get all official statistics correct.From someone who won last week due to a stat change on a SJax rush turned into a pass, I suspect this will also be changed.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I looked at it several times. I'm not convinced by any stretch that it was a lateral. Also, the only way they could make a 100% determination is if they had a camera sitting exactly on the 10-yard line, and I don't believe they have that.
Ditka is God
Footballguy
I went back and watched it few times. I believe it'll stay as is, although I'd love for it to be changed to a lateral as my opponent in both leagues had Brees as their QB. Still, Brees' final stat line as it stands now is FAR better than what I was realistically hoping for/expecting yesterday at this time.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Updates are usually posted Wednesday evenings.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
A shovel pass can be caught past the line of scrimmage, too.
Futeki
Footballguy
True, but I don't think I have ever seen one.If it were beyond the LOS, then it would be alright!
Beetlejuice
Footballguy
I've looked at this several times myself for what it's worth, and from the angles on that link it does appear to be at the very least a lateral based on where Brees released the ball. It may have been backwards, I don't see where it could be considered forwards- but again, this is based on the angles we are given and not from a camera staring straight down the 10 yard line. Will Elias change it? Doubtful. I'm not sure they are really going to spend all that much time looking at this or the Warner to Boldin play that is in question as well. Its not as though a stat would be handed from player x to player y such as when they change who is credited with a sack or a fumble on a given play. The only potentially "injured" parties would be Brees and Warner possibly losing TD passes on these particular plays.
I guess the question is how motivated is Elias to "get it right" on each play- other than changing the very obvious errors they may see. Do they really study the tape that closely? And who alerts them as to what plays are in question to begin with? How do we even know what plays they do review each week?
I guess the question is how motivated is Elias to "get it right" on each play- other than changing the very obvious errors they may see. Do they really study the tape that closely? And who alerts them as to what plays are in question to begin with? How do we even know what plays they do review each week?
Not enough evidence. Unless the camera was right on the 10 yard line, I don't know how you could be sure if it is a lateral or a pass. It looked to me like he released it at the 10 (it seems like it was released behind his body) and it travelled straight sideways staying on the 10. As other people mentioned, I doubt Elias is going to spend that much time on this.
Beetlejuice
Footballguy
If what you stated is what happened and that is how Elias views it...then it likely gets overturned. Going straight sideways constitutes a lateral which ends up being a run. The Warner to Boldin play was eerily similar, in fact that might have been more obvious and easier to see based on the camera angles given.The question again is how much time Elias reviews any play, what plays do they even choose to review, and ultimately how much importance is placed on "getting it right". I guess nobody knows that answer, we'll just have to see what comes out tomorrow night.
Jeremy
Footballguy
God, I hope you're right.
JMJ
Footballguy
So ultimately what you're saying is, "Hopefully nobody at Elias played against Drew Brees in their fantasy playoffs this past weekend."Jeremy said:God, I hope you're right.
Jeremy
Footballguy
So ultimately what you're saying is, "Hopefully nobody at Elias played against Drew Brees in their fantasy playoffs this past weekend."Jeremy said:God, I hope you're right.
I think I would still win by 1 point, but that's way too close for comfort.Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
I'm surprised that different people can watch the exact same film, but come to vastly different conclusions. I guess that speaks to how close this situation is. Personally it doesn't seem that close (to me) when you watch the film, but it must be.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
In regards to the Warner/Boldin TD.... it was originally scored as a run, then changed to a pass...would they really change it again?
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Have to admit that I am keeping an eye on this as my loss of 1 point would turn into a win by 4......
Del Griffith
Footballguy
A few years ago (2002 maybe???), a Brady to Faulk 74 yd TD pass was changed to a 74 yd TD run for Faulk 10 days later.
