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Saints | Team does not reach deal with Brees

Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:05:16 -0800

The Associated Press reports free agent QB Drew Brees (Chargers) left New Orleans Sunday, March 12, without a contract offer from the New Orleans Saints. Brees said New Orleans' rebuilding from Hurricane Katrina would not dissuade him from coming here. He said he helped build programs in Purdue and at San Diego that had been down and that the challenge of rebuilding in New Orleans appealed to him. He is now on his way to Miami.

 
If I were a GM, I'd be nervous as hell about that shoulder. Rumors are out that it is worse than expected. Why would a team invest huge dollars for a guy that might not be ready next year? This may be a smart move by the Saints. Time will tell.

 
Billy Joe Hobert, Billy Joe Tolliver, Danny Wuerffel, Jeff Blake, Kerry Collins, Aaron Brooks, Todd Bouman. All have been starting QBs and thats just since 1998!! After that Hall of Horror don't you think it's time to draft a franchise QB (Leinart) to helm the team for the next 7+ years, (you know since the front office whiffed with Jake Delhomme)? Even though that is what makes the most since, I have a gut feeling that Josh McCown will be inked next week.

 
I just do not understand why SD will not resign him
Current GM didn't draft Brees. Brees will cost a ton and is a huge injury risk - conflicting reports that its a rotator cuff ala Chad. GM is a fan of Rivers, drafted him, paid for him, thinks he's ready.
 
Per KFFL San Diego offered him a 6 year deal but with only $2 million guaranteed. I assume they easily could cut him if the injury was career threatening. Ironic since him being in that late in a throw away game caused him the injury.

 
It's being reported that he wants an average of $10MM/year with at least $10MM guaranteed. That's quite a lot considering the reports about the rotator cuff were coming from Dr. Andrews. I don't believe it's as bad as Pennington's, but it's still risky for any team. No way he goes to SD anymore. They aren't as desperate as NO. NO is the only team that might on an off chance give him what he wants.

 
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I just do not understand why SD will not resign him
They made him an offer, but Brees didn't accept it. The overall dollar amount was good ($50 million over six years), but only $2 million was guaranteed. Brees is reportedly looking for $8.1 million guaranteed, and the Chargers' front office doesn't want to commit to paying that much before knowing whether his shoulder will recover.
 
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It's being reported that he wants an average of $10MM/year with at least $10MM guaranteed. That's quite a lot considering the reports about the rotator cuff were coming from Dr. Andrews. I don't believe it's as bad as Pennington's, but it's still risky for any team. No way he goes to SD anymore. They aren't as desperate as NO. NO is the only team that might on an off chance give him what he wants.
It's really not that far fetched considering Randle-El got 5 million per and 10 million guaranteed...
 
It's being reported that he wants an average of $10MM/year with at least $10MM guaranteed.  That's quite a lot considering the reports about the rotator cuff were coming from Dr. Andrews.  I don't believe it's as bad as Pennington's, but it's still risky for any team.  No way he goes to SD anymore.  They aren't as desperate as NO.  NO is the only team that might on an off chance give him what he wants.
It's really not that far fetched considering Randle-El got 5 million per and 10 million guaranteed...
The top 5 QBs in 2006 made less than $9.6MM. I would have been hard pressed to put him in that category before the injury. No way he is worth that now. At least not until he can prove he is healthy It's quite possible that NO would be paying someone $10MM to sit on the bench the first year.
 
:lmao:

I'm telling you guys, Brees is busted up worse than he is trying to portray. Whoever gets him is getting damaged goods. He should have just taken what the Dolphins offered before.

 
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As a Brees owner, I'm glad he didn't go to NO. It's a mess there. I'd MUCH rather see him go back to SD (interesting he turned them down, but I can understand both sides of it) or go to like Miami...

 
No way he goes to SD anymore. They aren't as desperate as NO. NO is the only team that might on an off chance give him what he wants.
I might have agreed with you a few days ago but given the fact SD seems to be content chasing the McCree's of the world in free agency I'm not so sure they aren't saving cap space just in case Brees doesn't get the offers his agent is telling him he'll get. McCree was dirt cheap and SD started with plenty of salary cap space to begin with.Based on NO failing to even give Brees an offer I'm leaning towards SD as being his most likely destination now. MIA(along with a few other teams) may just wait out the MIN situation and hope they can get C-Pep when the situation in MIN blows up. MIA has also been mentioned as being interested in at least half a dozen other QB's out there and if NO isn't even willing to give Brees an offer it kind of makes you wonder just what his market value is.

 
As a Brees owner, I'm glad he didn't go to NO. It's a mess there. I'd MUCH rather see him go back to SD (interesting he turned them down, but I can understand both sides of it) or go to like Miami...
You kind of have to wonder what advice Poston is giving Brees as the moment. If Brees does in fact get his payday from MIA more power to him but Poston has had two recent showdowns with AJ in the Gates and Merriman negotiations and came out on the short end both times. If Brees comes back and signs the contract SD originally offered then Poston should get credit for a hat-trick of bungling negotiations with SD.
 
No way he goes to SD anymore.  They aren't as desperate as NO.  NO is the only team that might on an off chance give him what he wants.
I might have agreed with you a few days ago but given the fact SD seems to be content chasing the McCree's of the world in free agency I'm not so sure they aren't saving cap space just in case Brees doesn't get the offers his agent is telling him he'll get. McCree was dirt cheap and SD started with plenty of salary cap space to begin with.Based on NO failing to even give Brees an offer I'm leaning towards SD as being his most likely destination now. MIA(along with a few other teams) may just wait out the MIN situation and hope they can get C-Pep when the situation in MIN blows up. MIA has also been mentioned as being interested in at least half a dozen other QB's out there and if NO isn't even willing to give Brees an offer it kind of makes you wonder just what his market value is.
You have a point. Although I believe Miami is still willing to guarantee more money than SD. Plus, he's not a shoe-in to start for the Chargers. At this point I'm looking forward to Rivers giving it a go.
 
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Should be interesting to see what Miami gives him. I agree that Miami is going to give him a little more guaranteed money than he probably deserves right now, but I don't think any contract they give him will be of the "ridiculous" category. Saban is going to draft a QB this year. Maybe not in the first if he gets brees, but he will draft one. That being said, the Brees window in Miami will be 2 - 3 years in that case if the shoulder holds up.

 
but given the fact SD seems to be content chasing the McCree's of the world in free agency I'm not so sure they aren't saving cap space just in case Brees doesn't get the offers his agent is telling him he'll get. McCree was dirt cheap and SD started with plenty of salary cap space to begin with.
Playing it cheap on the free agent market seems to be A.J.'s M.O. I don't think this year's situation is being dictated by Brees' whatosever. It looks to me like A.J. is ready to move on (as evidenced by that extreme low-ball contract offer) and Brees is as well (as evidenced by some of his jaded comments towards the club in the past couple of days). I think the likelihood of Brees in a Chargers uniform next year is pretty darn slim.Nonetheless, it's an interesting spin in this thread: that NO has less interest in Brees because the injury may be more sever than they thought. Everything I heard is that Brees soured on NO because they could not promise him that they wouldn't target a young QB early in the draft, thereby putting him back in the position that he just exited.

 
As a Viking Fan.

:popcorn: :popcorn:

Need Saints to sign him so the Dolphins will give the Vikings some bread crumbs for Culpepper.

 
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As a Viking Fan.

:popcorn: :popcorn:

Need Saints to sign him so the Dolphins will give the Vikings some bread crumbs for Culpepper.
Word out of Vikings camp is they may simply release him this week. Once brees makes his decision the Vikings will have a 1 or 2 day window to get a deal done or then release him.
 
Word out of Vikings camp is they may simply release him this week. Once brees makes his decision the Vikings will have a 1 or 2 day window to get a deal done or then release him.

DO YOU HAVE A LINK FOR THIS?

 
:lmao:

I'm telling you guys, Brees is busted up worse than he is trying to portray. Whoever gets him is getting damaged goods. He should have just taken what the Dolphins offered before.
No kidding, this guy basically had his arm torn off his body, his arm strength will never be the same and he didn't have great arm strength to begin with.
 
Brees' Agent just on the radio in SD . . .

• •- Condon in his office today…

•- Late today or tomorrow – drew will be playing for one of those two teams.. (Mia or NO)

•- Money is a factor… location is a factor… organization & coaching staff is a factor… supporting cast a factor… chance to be successful is a factor…

•- NO discussions center around him being the face of the franchise… he gives them credibility.. If Brees signs, others may as well…

•- In giving advice to Brees, would tell Brees to weigh out all the factors, then balance the economics and long term winning

•- Thinks both teams think the shoulder would be fine…

•- Expects any contract would include a club option for year 2.

•- Charger offer is guarantee is $2M… Other teams offer is 4-5 times that…

•- Never say never, but probably too far down the road to talk to the Chargers..

•- Not conceivable that they would go back and ask the Chargers to match another offer…

•- Is not completely excluding other teams… some have showed interest… but NO and Mia have showed the most interest…

 
:lmao:

I'm telling you guys, Brees is busted up worse than he is trying to portray.  Whoever gets him is getting damaged goods.  He should have just taken what the Dolphins offered before.
No kidding, this guy basically had his arm torn off his body, his arm strength will never be the same and he didn't have great arm strength to begin with.
Didn't Rich Gannon come back from the same type of injury and have an MVP season?
 
Sounds like New Orleans didn't like what they saw.  Maybe it's the shoulder.
Maybe it's N.O.?!?!?maybe brees went with the attitude that 'i don't want to play here'..

and who would,really??

lousy front office,cheap owner..never a sellout crowd..

 
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I just do not understand why SD will not resign him
they've got a lot invested in a former #1 pick, Phil Rivers..but SD is crazy to let brees walk,his departure will haunt them for a long time!

they've got alot of faith in an unproven never-has-been in Rivers, so we'll see what happens..it could blow up on them..

 
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Sounds like New Orleans didn't like what they saw.  Maybe it's the shoulder.
Maybe it's N.O.?!?!?maybe brees went with the attitude that 'i don't want to play here'..

and who would,really??

lousy front office,cheap owner..never a sellout crowd..
Never a sellout crowd??? :hophead: Shouldn't people have to at least have some knowledge on a subject before they post about it? I mean, why just make stuff up? There are plenty people on this board who will call you out on it.

Oh, and just to be helpful, in the future at least read the thread you are going to be posting in.

 
:lmao:

I'm telling you guys, Brees is busted up worse than he is trying to portray.  Whoever gets him is getting damaged goods.  He should have just taken what the Dolphins offered before.
No kidding, this guy basically had his arm torn off his body, his arm strength will never be the same and he didn't have great arm strength to begin with.
Can we delete these posts?
 
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•- Money is a factor… location is a factor… organization & coaching staff is a factor… supporting cast a factor… chance to be successful is a factor…
So, Miami then?
 
Sounds like New Orleans didn't like what they saw.  Maybe it's the shoulder.
Maybe it's N.O.?!?!?maybe brees went with the attitude that 'i don't want to play here'..

and who would,really??

lousy front office,cheap owner..never a sellout crowd..
Never a sell out crowd? The Saints had a 38-game sell-out streak into their last full year in NO despite some very mediocre football. Please inform yourself before posting this stuff. TIA :thumbup:

 
This was on the Bengals site. Quote from Sam Adams agent.

“We’ll see what happens in Miami after they sign the quarterback and that should be Monday,” Wright said of the Dolphins. “Sam would love to go to Cincinnati, but the market is the market.”
 
Sounds like New Orleans didn't like what they saw.  Maybe it's the shoulder.
Maybe it's N.O.?!?!?maybe brees went with the attitude that 'i don't want to play here'..

and who would,really??

lousy front office,cheap owner..never a sellout crowd..
Could be, but the initial post said he left without the Saints making him an offer.
 
:lmao:

I'm telling you guys, Brees is busted up worse than he is trying to portray. Whoever gets him is getting damaged goods. He should have just taken what the Dolphins offered before.
No kidding, this guy basically had his arm torn off his body, his arm strength will never be the same and he didn't have great arm strength to begin with.
Didn't Rich Gannon come back from the same type of injury and have an MVP season?
After 4 years warming the bench in KC.
 
Didn't Rich Gannon come back from the same type of injury and have an MVP season?
No. Gannon came back and played just a few games before getting hurt again (different injury) and retiring.
He tore his labrum the first around 1994.
Do you have a link for that? I searched around Google and the only thing I found supporting it was a reader comment at Football Outsiders. Other than that, the only torn labrum info on Gannon concerns his 2003 injury. For example:"Gannon was almost 38 when he tore his labrum; he also had endured previous shoulder injuries, including a torn rotator cuff and a separation." -- SD Union-Trib article.

 
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Brees is in Miami right now, correct? I think Saban flying to NO to see him before he met with the Saints speaks volumes. We'll see but I think Brees will be in a 'Fins uni this year.

 
Brees is in Miami right now, correct? I think Saban flying to NO to see him before he met with the Saints speaks volumes. We'll see but I think Brees will be in a 'Fins uni this year.
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I have a gut feeling that Josh McCown will be inked next week.
:goodposting:
This is not an awful decision on the front office's part, if it happened. They need a starter and he might be very inexpensive. He's got SOME upside. He could be the tackling dummy for a few games while the franchise's future settles in. I would see him starting maybe 4 games before surrendering the position.
 
Didn't Rich Gannon come back from the same type of injury and have an MVP season?
No. Gannon came back and played just a few games before getting hurt again (different injury) and retiring.
He tore his labrum the first around 1994.
Do you have a link for that? I searched around Google and the only thing I found supporting it was a reader comment at Football Outsiders. Other than that, the only torn labrum info on Gannon concerns his 2003 injury. For example:"Gannon was almost 38 when he tore his labrum; he also had endured previous shoulder injuries, including a torn rotator cuff and a separation." -- SD Union-Trib article.
I believe he tore it twice, but I've never heard that there was rotator cuff damage either time.As for Brees I don't think he plays this year. A few months ago he was gung-ho about being ready for training camp and now he seems to be noting worst case scenarios and being a "long-term" asset. Wrapping up $10MM dollars in guaranteed money for a guy who won't necessarily even be taking snaps seems risky. It was reported that Miami was only willing to guarantee $4-5MM which is more reasonable, but Condon seems to be reporting more now. It's hard to tell though. Condon has been caught in a few lies through the SD press already and most of them were originally in full support of Brees.

 
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Didn't Rich Gannon come back from the same type of injury and have an MVP season?
No. Gannon came back and played just a few games before getting hurt again (different injury) and retiring.
He tore his labrum the first around 1994.
Do you have a link for that? I searched around Google and the only thing I found supporting it was a reader comment at Football Outsiders. Other than that, the only torn labrum info on Gannon concerns his 2003 injury. For example:"Gannon was almost 38 when he tore his labrum; he also had endured previous shoulder injuries, including a torn rotator cuff and a separation." -- SD Union-Trib article.
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/OAK/6829852
The operation took place in Minnesota and was performed by the same doctor who did his shoulder surgery after his 1993 season with Washington. Gannon missed the 1994 season and then was released by the Redskins.
 
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As for Brees I don't think he plays this year. A few months ago he was gung-ho about being ready for training camp and now he seems to be noting worst case scenarios and being a "long-term" asset. Wrapping up $10MM dollars in guaranteed money for a guy who won't necessarily even be taking snaps seems risky. It was reported that Miami was only willing to guarantee $4-5MM which is more reasonable, but Condon seems to be reporting more now. It's hard to tell though. Condon has been caught in a few lies through the SD press already and most of them were originally in full support of Brees.
I think he plays this year, but possibly for less than he is asking for at this point. Once he figures out that the market isn't there for him then his asking price goes down considerably. He's got to get this deal done before the draft.
 
Here are the QB's who have torn the labrum on their throwing arm:

Brian Griese (2000) - came back and had a couple more decent years, but was never the same as he was during the 2000 season (19 TD/4 INT in 10 games).

Rich Gannon (2003) - Tore his labrum in 1993 and was cut by the Redskins. Spent 4 mediocre season in KC before going to Oakland and becoming a Pro Bowl QB. Tore his labrum again in 2003 and tried coming back, but had to retire because a neck injury in 2004.

Tim Couch (Feb 2004) - trying to make a comeback but hasn't played since 2003.

Kelly Holcomb (2004) -was able to return week 10 of 2004 and has played fairly well for the Browns and Bills since then.

Anthony Wright (May 2004) - missed the entire 2004 season and did not play well in 2005.

Jay Fieldler (2005) - partial tear in week 3, but wasn't able to return last season

Chad Pennington (2004, 2005) - tore rotator cuff as well as his labrum in 2004. Reinjured his arm in 2005 after rushing back 4 months after surgery.

Chris Redman and Giovanni Carmazzi had torn labrums and never played again after surgery.

 
I have a gut feeling that Josh McCown will be inked next week.
:goodposting:
This is not an awful decision on the front office's part, if it happened. They need a starter and he might be very inexpensive. He's got SOME upside. He could be the tackling dummy for a few games while the franchise's future settles in. I would see him starting maybe 4 games before surrendering the position.
I think McCown lands in Detroit.
 

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