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Brett Favre is right (1 Viewer)

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Here is the AP article

Favre rips NFL for how it treated Robinson

By COLIN FLY - AP Sports Writer

2006-10-18 18:12

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) -Brett Favre sharply criticized the way the NFL handles substance abuse problems Wednesday, a day after teammate Koren Robinson was suspended for the season, apparently because of a drunken driving charge.

``I don't like the way the league has, in my mind, turned their back on him,'' Favre said. ``I'm not against banning him for the year. I'd love for him to play, but to boot him out, clean his locker out and say you can't have no contact with this team?''

Favre, who entered the NFL's substance abuse program during treatment for an addiction to painkillers in 1996, said it doesn't make sense that the policy bans his teammate from the Packers' facilities ``and the support group that can help him.''

NFL spokesman Michael Signora said the league had no comment.

The league's policy includes a stipulation against consuming alcohol while participating in its substance abuse program. Robinson apparently violated that before being arrested Aug. 15, when police said the receiver's blood-alcohol content was 0.11 percent, above the legal limit of 0.08.

He pleaded not guilty Tuesday to charges of drunken driving and fleeing police in a high-speed chase near the south-central Minnesota town of St. Peter.

In the eyes of the NFL, the difference between Favre's case and Robinson's was that Favre sought help under the league's substance abuse policy and voluntarily entered a treatment facility after suffering a seizure while in the hospital for ankle surgery.

Favre wasn't subject to punishment, only periodic drug testing used for treatment. He also complained after treatment about being banned himself from drinking when he was in the NFL's program, though he made a conscious effort to quit drinking to prolong his career and be a good family man.

Still, Favre said the league's decision on Robinson doesn't seem to be in anyone's best interest.

``I'm no expert, but I would think you would want for people to reach out to him and be within an organization that can help him as opposed to saying, 'You're banned from the building. To make matters worse, we don't even want you over here, so go think about it and deal with it on your own,''' Favre said.

Robinson said as recently as Monday he didn't expect to be suspended, but the league moved quickly against him. He did not return a phone call Wednesday.

His agent, Alvin Keels, said that Robinson is in a ``state of shock'' and thought the league would wait to hand down its punishment.

Robinson had caught seven passes for 89 yards and averaged 21.1 yards on 12 kickoff returns in four games for the Packers this year. He is eligible to be reinstated no sooner than Sept. 18, 2007.

Favre said Robinson told him last week that despite his troubles, he thought he had a lot of years left. Favre responded that he wished he could have played with Robinson earlier in his career.

``(He's) really a great guy,'' Favre said. ``It's unfortunate that he has to go through this, but maybe it makes him a better person. Whether or not it makes him a better player remains to be seen I think the most important thing is his health and his family.''

The suspension leaves the Packers without a proven No. 3 receiver with Ruvell Martin and other players expected to fill in with Robert Ferguson still on crutches after a foot injury.

Favre gets it. Some people on this board get it too. The way to help people with substance abuse problems is not to alienate them and make them feel worse thus they need more drugs. It's possible this is in the wrong fourm, if so, kindly move, thanks.

 
I hope when Favre retires they have a position for him to help other athletes tht suffer from subatance abuse problems or wherever calls home that he works in the local hospitals and drug rehab centers...this guy could end up saving a lot of lives and making a profound impact on people. It's a lot easier to listen to someone who has been there...and Favre was addicted to painkillers and beat it and went on to win a SB.

 
I think Favre is right too, but no matter who said it I would agree.

Alcoholics NEED support, and the support he could get from the team would really go a long way in his recovery. Hopefully he has some good friends that will stick by his side during this time off. It's already a tough struggle, and being banned from everything NFL and team related certainly doesn't make it any easier.

 
I think Favre is right too, but no matter who said it I would agree.

Alcoholics NEED support, and the support he could get from the team would really go a long way in his recovery. Hopefully he has some good friends that will stick by his side during this time off. It's already a tough struggle, and being banned from everything NFL and team related certainly doesn't make it any easier.
:goodposting:
 
I think Favre is right too, but no matter who said it I would agree.

Alcoholics NEED support, and the support he could get from the team would really go a long way in his recovery. Hopefully he has some good friends that will stick by his side during this time off. It's already a tough struggle, and being banned from everything NFL and team related certainly doesn't make it any easier.
How many teams does he need to "support" himSeattle was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

Minnesota was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

About damn time people take account for THEIR actions and stop looking to others for support and K ROB would be a nice start.

 
I think Favre is right too, but no matter who said it I would agree.

Alcoholics NEED support, and the support he could get from the team would really go a long way in his recovery. Hopefully he has some good friends that will stick by his side during this time off. It's already a tough struggle, and being banned from everything NFL and team related certainly doesn't make it any easier.
:goodposting: And Favre's support of Robinson is yet another reason why I continue to endure John Madden and Wisc. constant fawning over ol' #4. He's worth it.
 
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he's got a point

They have very nice facilities and I think the NFL's point is to ban him from enjoying those. Which I agree is fair punishment. It does seem like the support of his teammates angle is an oversight. Another oversight would be the NFLPA. These players are all supposed to belong to the union aren't they? I don't remember hearing of union reps visitting guys in rehab or such.

 
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You guys are cute together.

I agree it's stupid to say that K-Rob can't have "contact" with the team, but I also think that it's a little naive to think that this will help him deal with his alcohol problem. Support systems should be based in family and friends - not with a football team that he's been a part of for a few weeks.

 
I think Favre is right too, but no matter who said it I would agree.

Alcoholics NEED support, and the support he could get from the team would really go a long way in his recovery. Hopefully he has some good friends that will stick by his side during this time off. It's already a tough struggle, and being banned from everything NFL and team related certainly doesn't make it any easier.
How many teams does he need to "support" himSeattle was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

Minnesota was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

About damn time people take account for THEIR actions and stop looking to others for support and K ROB would be a nice start.
Damn good posting!!!I'd like to see all this crying if he had flatten one of your family members during his attempted gat away.

 
I think Favre is right too, but no matter who said it I would agree.

Alcoholics NEED support, and the support he could get from the team would really go a long way in his recovery. Hopefully he has some good friends that will stick by his side during this time off. It's already a tough struggle, and being banned from everything NFL and team related certainly doesn't make it any easier.
How many teams does he need to "support" himSeattle was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

Minnesota was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

About damn time people take account for THEIR actions and stop looking to others for support and K ROB would be a nice start.
Damn good posting!!!I'd like to see all this crying if he had flatten one of your family members during his attempted gat away.
Hell, kick him out of the nfl for all I care. Its the no contact rule that's :11:.
 
I think Favre is right too, but no matter who said it I would agree.

Alcoholics NEED support, and the support he could get from the team would really go a long way in his recovery. Hopefully he has some good friends that will stick by his side during this time off. It's already a tough struggle, and being banned from everything NFL and team related certainly doesn't make it any easier.
How many teams does he need to "support" himSeattle was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

Minnesota was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

About damn time people take account for THEIR actions and stop looking to others for support and K ROB would be a nice start.
Damn good posting!!!I'd like to see all this crying if he had flatten one of your family members during his attempted gat away.
Hell, kick him out of the nfl for all I care. Its the no contact rule that's :11:.
Hopefully Bubba will pick up the slack in that department.
 
You guys are cute together.I agree it's stupid to say that K-Rob can't have "contact" with the team, but I also think that it's a little naive to think that this will help him deal with his alcohol problem. Support systems should be based in family and friends - not with a football team that he's been a part of for a few weeks.
Yeah, but he is not an average joe. He is an NFL player and a target to many predators. Very few "peers" are going to show up to those meetings......It really isn't a good punishment (not well thought out at all) but K-Rob has made his own bed here. No one promised him an NFL career. He had to recognize that at some point.
 
KRob gets popped for the season beacuse of booze; Haynesworth kicks Gurode's face in and gets five weeks? :confused: Seems like the NFL's effort to enforce personal responsibility (which I'm all for by the way) is outta whack... Time to take a look at rules and league policy maybe? :no:

 
KRob gets popped for the season beacuse of booze; Haynesworth kicks Gurode's face in and gets five weeks? :confused: Seems like the NFL's effort to enforce personal responsibility (which I'm all for by the way) is outta whack... Time to take a look at rules and league policy maybe? :no:
He did not get popped only because of booze.
 
KRob gets popped for the season beacuse of booze; Haynesworth kicks Gurode's face in and gets five weeks? :confused: Seems like the NFL's effort to enforce personal responsibility (which I'm all for by the way) is outta whack... Time to take a look at rules and league policy maybe? :no:
Link to Haynesworth getting put into the face kicking abuse program with a just a warning.
 
I think Favre is right too, but no matter who said it I would agree.

Alcoholics NEED support, and the support he could get from the team would really go a long way in his recovery. Hopefully he has some good friends that will stick by his side during this time off. It's already a tough struggle, and being banned from everything NFL and team related certainly doesn't make it any easier.
How many teams does he need to "support" himSeattle was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

Minnesota was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

About damn time people take account for THEIR actions and stop looking to others for support and K ROB would be a nice start.
KRob does need to take action upon himself first. It definitely takes a lot of inner strength, and if he isn't 100% committed to never drinking again there is no resolution to his problem. The help and support of others is meaningless if he isn't ready to help himself.I'm just an outsider like everyone here, and I really don't know how serious KRob is this time. I do know from personal experiences and time spent with professional counselers that the more support one gets the better chance they have to succeed. However, I don't blame the Hawks and Viks for giving up on him. NFL teams are a business and they must put the business first. I'm also not disagreeing with the suspension. His actions caused it, and he needs to be accountable for them. But that doesn't change my opinion that being banned from everything NFL and team related will be a good thing for him.

 
Favre is a rare athlete who says what he thinks...and people respect him for it.

See Javon Walker's situation last season.

 
K-Rob may need support, but his drinking behavior does not. Make support for him dependent on him not screwing-up. If the team supports him unconditionally, he has no extrinsic motivation to change his behavior.

 
Favre is a rare athlete who says what he thinks...and people respect him for it.See Javon Walker's situation last season.
That's right, stand up for the guy who has let down everyone he has ever played for but throw a guy under the bus for wanting a raise. :thumbdown:
 
Favre is a rare athlete who says what he thinks...and people respect him for it.See Javon Walker's situation last season.
That's right, stand up for the guy who has let down everyone he has ever played for but throw a guy under the bus for wanting a raise. :thumbdown:
That's my point - Favre always speaks his mind, is honest, and is widely respected for it...even if many disagree with what he says. His constant retirement wavering (which drives everyone crazy) is still done as an attempt to honestly answer questions and be upfront during interviews.I'll take a player answering questions like Brett does anyday of the week over both ends of the spectrum: the self-promoting I, I, I types or the clips taken straight from the politically correct athlete quote book.
 
I think Favre is right too, but no matter who said it I would agree.

Alcoholics NEED support, and the support he could get from the team would really go a long way in his recovery. Hopefully he has some good friends that will stick by his side during this time off. It's already a tough struggle, and being banned from everything NFL and team related certainly doesn't make it any easier.
How many teams does he need to "support" himSeattle was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

Minnesota was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

About damn time people take account for THEIR actions and stop looking to others for support and K ROB would be a nice start.
You are EXACTLY RIGHT :yes: :goodposting:
 
Favre is a rare athlete who says what he thinks...and people respect him for it.See Javon Walker's situation last season.
That's right, stand up for the guy who has let down everyone he has ever played for but throw a guy under the bus for wanting a raise. :thumbdown:
That's my point - Favre always speaks his mind, is honest, and is widely respected for it...even if many disagree with what he says. His constant retirement wavering (which drives everyone crazy) is still done as an attempt to honestly answer questions and be upfront during interviews.I'll take a player answering questions like Brett does anyday of the week over both ends of the spectrum: the self-promoting I, I, I types or the clips taken straight from the politically correct athlete quote book.
I like that Favre answers questions and I don't care how long he drags out his retirement decision. I do think he made a mistake going against Walker, who gave his all for the team, and I think it's selfish (because of his own history) that he defends a guy who hasn't done anything for the Packers.
 
I think Favre is right too, but no matter who said it I would agree.

Alcoholics NEED support, and the support he could get from the team would really go a long way in his recovery. Hopefully he has some good friends that will stick by his side during this time off. It's already a tough struggle, and being banned from everything NFL and team related certainly doesn't make it any easier.
How many teams does he need to "support" himSeattle was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

Minnesota was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

About damn time people take account for THEIR actions and stop looking to others for support and K ROB would be a nice start.
You are EXACTLY RIGHT :yes: :goodposting:
While I respect Favre's opinion, I agree with the above post here.I'm guessing that most of you here have never had to deal with an alcoholic before. In most cases, they truly must hit rock bottom before they will see the full impact of their behavior. If KRob is hamming it up at NFL facilities making millions of dollars, I seriously doubt he will recognize what he could be losing. As Limp Ditka points out, KRob has had multiple teams offer support, and KRob has declined every one of them.

Cut him loose, I say. He has not shown that he is willing to change his behavior.

 
``I'm no expert, but I would think you would want for people to reach out to him and be within an organization that can help him as opposed to saying, 'You're banned from the building. To make matters worse, we don't even want you over here, so go think about it and deal with it on your own,''' Favre said.
This sounds like something an enabler would say. Two NFL affiliates have already made two efforts to help K-Rob (Seattle and Minnesota) and his problem. Still, K-Rob drank to much, led police on a high-speed persuit and dangered the lifes of many innocent lifes.At some point K-Rob is going to have to try and help himself and stop looking for somebody else to extent their hand [cough] [cough] Favre [cough] [cough].

 
You guys are cute together.I agree it's stupid to say that K-Rob can't have "contact" with the team, but I also think that it's a little naive to think that this will help him deal with his alcohol problem. Support systems should be based in family and friends - not with a football team that he's been a part of for a few weeks.
I think it's a bit naive to think that family and friends will be the solution. It's a cliched response, IMO. A support system should be built around the interests of the individual that keeps the individual from returning to the vice. Excluding Robinson from anything football related at the professional level is not part of a solution.
 
I think Favre is right too, but no matter who said it I would agree.

Alcoholics NEED support, and the support he could get from the team would really go a long way in his recovery. Hopefully he has some good friends that will stick by his side during this time off. It's already a tough struggle, and being banned from everything NFL and team related certainly doesn't make it any easier.
How many teams does he need to "support" himSeattle was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

Minnesota was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

About damn time people take account for THEIR actions and stop looking to others for support and K ROB would be a nice start.
You are EXACTLY RIGHT :yes: :goodposting:
Cut him loose, I say. He has not shown that he is willing to change his behavior.
But none of know what is behavior was like while in Green Bay? Maybe he was working hard to change his life and taking steps in the right direction.
 
I think Favre is right too, but no matter who said it I would agree.

Alcoholics NEED support, and the support he could get from the team would really go a long way in his recovery. Hopefully he has some good friends that will stick by his side during this time off. It's already a tough struggle, and being banned from everything NFL and team related certainly doesn't make it any easier.
How many teams does he need to "support" himSeattle was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

Minnesota was aware of his problem and supported him, he still ####ed up

About damn time people take account for THEIR actions and stop looking to others for support and K ROB would be a nice start.
You are EXACTLY RIGHT :yes: :goodposting:
Cut him loose, I say. He has not shown that he is willing to change his behavior.
But none of know what is behavior was like while in Green Bay? Maybe he was working hard to change his life and taking steps in the right direction.
Exactly. Maybe he already hit rock bottom when he got kicked off the Vikings? If anything, having somebody like Favre to walk him through his rehabilitation could have been an immense positive.
 
As soon as I saw the thread I wondered how long it would take to get into a Favre hating thread with the typical cast of characters.

Favre is a rare athlete and while I wasn't a big fan early in his career as the years have gone by I've realized how good and refreshing a player he is.

 
I would think that the best support would come from those that don't want anything from him.

Green Bay and any other NFL team wants to support him sure, but they also want him to be a productive wide receiver. He needs to forget about football and concentrate on getting his life in order.

 
You guys are cute together.I agree it's stupid to say that K-Rob can't have "contact" with the team, but I also think that it's a little naive to think that this will help him deal with his alcohol problem. Support systems should be based in family and friends - not with a football team that he's been a part of for a few weeks.
I think it's a bit naive to think that family and friends will be the solution. It's a cliched response, IMO. A support system should be built around the interests of the individual that keeps the individual from returning to the vice. Excluding Robinson from anything football related at the professional level is not part of a solution.
You think its NAIVE to say that family might help him more than a bunch of football players? Maybe there's a reason it's a "cliche." And I also think it's naive to think that the NFL lifestyle that these players have isn't one of the things that pulls K-Rob back to his "vice". Maybe THAT'S part of the reason the NFL bands players from NFL players.
 
Favre is wrong.

Having been around a ton of abusers, both of alchol & drugs, the only way K-Rob straightens up, is if he's bottomed out & wants to. He could be surrounded by a "Support Group" of Green Bay teamates 24 / 7, but if he's not committed to quiting, he won't.

It's that simple. :shrug:

 
Favre is a rare athlete who says what he thinks...and people respect him for it.See Javon Walker's situation last season.
That's right, stand up for the guy who has let down everyone he has ever played for but throw a guy under the bus for wanting a raise. :thumbdown:
That's my point - Favre always speaks his mind, is honest, and is widely respected for it...even if many disagree with what he says. His constant retirement wavering (which drives everyone crazy) is still done as an attempt to honestly answer questions and be upfront during interviews.I'll take a player answering questions like Brett does anyday of the week over both ends of the spectrum: the self-promoting I, I, I types or the clips taken straight from the politically correct athlete quote book.
Damn :goodposting:
 

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