Brett Favre (1 Viewer)

[remote controller]

The 40 yearold man had to overcome many things before that last drive, then had to overcome many things during that drive, just to put himself in the position to attempt the 50 yard laser he uncorked. It was an amazing feat, and one I feel (the key to this is I said "I FEEL") was right up there with the 10 best throws ever. AMAZING!! The catch was incrdible, but the ball was in the ONLY place it could be for there to even be a shot at a completion. It couldn't have been higher or lower, more out front or toward the back shoulder, thrown any harder or softer. It was perfect, and Lewis rewarded him and the Viking Fan!! Love him or hate him for what ever reason you want, but the NFL is better with him in it!

 

[meatwad1]

As a Packer fan, I love the fact that Benedict Favre is playing the Vikes...these two games will solidfy the TT-BF fued and settle whatever score is left. As far as the throw goes, what can you say? He is a top 5 qb/hall of famer...that is what dudes like that do.

As a FF player, BF is a mighty fine backup qb who will have a bunch of good games, starting with yesterday.

 

[sho nuff]

Great throw...but top 10? I know...plenty will roll their eyes at me saying it.

But I think there might be 10 better than that.

Just one from him that was better was the one across his body against Detroit to Sterling Sharpe.

Though, if this pass had come later in the season with the playoffs on the line or in the postseason...I could see it a bit more.

 

[SharkBait]

Good for Favre. If anyone still has any question, that's why the man can't let go. TD pass with no time on the clock in a packed metrodome, wow what a classic and you gotta know that's the kind of thing that will keep him coming back as long as he thinks he can do it.

If it wasn't for his punk move getting the Jets fined like he did I'd REALLY be happy for him...

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Great throw...but top 10? I know...plenty will roll their eyes at me saying it.But I think there might be 10 better than that.Just one from him that was better was the one across his body against Detroit to Sterling Sharpe.Though, if this pass had come later in the season with the playoffs on the line or in the postseason...I could see it a bit more.

And you can't figure out why you get crap here. The OP gave his opinion about the pass and once again you have to get your two cents in to diminish something about Favre.

 

[sho nuff]

Great throw...but top 10? I know...plenty will roll their eyes at me saying it.But I think there might be 10 better than that.Just one from him that was better was the one across his body against Detroit to Sterling Sharpe.Though, if this pass had come later in the season with the playoffs on the line or in the postseason...I could see it a bit more.

And you can't figure out why you get crap here. The OP gave his opinion about the pass and once again you have to get your two cents in to diminish something about Favre.

I shouldn't respond as this is the kind of thing that gets threads locked...but here you go.And you can't figure out why threads go downhill on Favre?He gave his opinion...I gave mine. This board is now supposed to be about just agreeing with everyone?And you, predictably it would be you or one of 2 or 3 others, come in and whine about me...nothing about the topic...nothing about Favre...just about me.That is why these threads go to crap...its not me posting my opinion...its you few who continue to not talk one bit about the topic and only worry that I posted in it.Get over it...its a topic on my favorite player of all time...Im going to respond.I did so civilly and on topic...you did so just to try and bash me. How many of these threads have to be locked? How many warnings to stay on topic.Just freaking grow up...or stop responding to me. Its your choice.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Great throw...but top 10? I know...plenty will roll their eyes at me saying it.But I think there might be 10 better than that.Just one from him that was better was the one across his body against Detroit to Sterling Sharpe.Though, if this pass had come later in the season with the playoffs on the line or in the postseason...I could see it a bit more.

And you can't figure out why you get crap here. The OP gave his opinion about the pass and once again you have to get your two cents in to diminish something about Favre.

I shouldn't respond as this is the kind of thing that gets threads locked...but here you go.And you can't figure out why threads go downhill on Favre?He gave his opinion...I gave mine. This board is now supposed to be about just agreeing with everyone?And you, predictably it would be you or one of 2 or 3 others, come in and whine about me...nothing about the topic...nothing about Favre...just about me.That is why these threads go to crap...its not me posting my opinion...its you few who continue to not talk one bit about the topic and only worry that I posted in it.Get over it...its a topic on my favorite player of all time...Im going to respond.I did so civilly and on topic...you did so just to try and bash me. How many of these threads have to be locked? How many warnings to stay on topic.Just freaking grow up...or stop responding to me. Its your choice.

I think someone has a case of the Mondays.

 

[ookook]

I stayed out of it in the other thread.

Top 10 throws of all time? I agree with Sho that it is hard to call a throw in game 3 Top 10 as the impact is not as high as many others.

Great throw though.

But really, the Vikings shouldn't have been in that position.

There defense should have done a better job and the Vikings short passing game should have been more reliable once SF took away the rushing game. Part is on Favre and timing (Note to Brett, that is what training camp is for), and part is the dropsies.

And part is playcalling. We saw in the first quarter that just because they are stopping the rush, can still get the ball to ADP in space and then it went away.

BTW, I think Chester Taylor might be one of the most underrated backs in the game. Does more with less every time.

I also agree with Ookie that it should put to rest everyone who said Favre cannot play the game due to physical limitations. At this point in the season at least, he can.

And he has shown he is willing to play within the system when asked to.

I said before the Minny experiment started that he was still as good as at least half the starting QBs in the league and I am sticking with it.

 

[Stinger Ray]

In addition to it being a great throw Favre did a great job of avoiding the sack on the play. It was a great catch by Lewis as well.

Considering it was Favre's first home game as a Viking and the touchdown pass won the game on the last play I'd say it deserves serious consideration as one of the top 10 throws.

 

[sho nuff]

Now ookie P...this might be why people get on me...but

Stinger...what does it being his first home game with the Vikings have to do with it being top 10 all time? Do you really think that matters?

Does it have the same appeal as "the catch"?

I just don't think enough was on the line for it to be considered top 10.

 

[ookook]

I just don't think enough was on the line for it to be considered top 10.

My point exactly. Best of the season to date though...

 

[jon_mx]

In addition to it being a great throw Favre did a great job of avoiding the sack on the play. It was a great catch by Lewis as well. Considering it was Favre's first home game as a Viking and the touchdown pass won the game on the last play I'd say it deserves serious consideration as one of the top 10 throws.

I don't recall 10 better I can think of. The quality and distance of the throw. The solid coverage. The great catch barely getting the foot in bounds. The scramble and escape. Deciding the game in the last second. It wasn't the Super Bowl or the playoffs is about the only thing that takes away from that play, but in all the other elements I give it top scores.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Now ookie P...this might be why people get on me...butStinger...what does it being his first home game with the Vikings have to do with it being top 10 all time? Do you really think that matters?Does it have the same appeal as "the catch"? I just don't think enough was on the line for it to be considered top 10.

Go away, please. If you need it explained to you on how the fact it was Favre's first home game and how that will affect how that pass will be judged then it just shows you are trying to stir the pot once again.

 

[omally]

Now ookie P...this might be why people get on me...butI just don't think enough was on the line for it to be considered top 10.

The game was on the line. Your negative obsession with Brett Favre ruins any thread related to him. You are a predictable tool in any Favre thread.

 

[harryhood]

The game was on the line.

That's the most impressive part. He throws a laser in this situation with the game about to end. I was pulling hard for the 9'ers but that is a great throw.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I also agree with Ookie that it should put to rest everyone who said Favre cannot play the game due to physical limitations. At this point in the season at least, he can.

But isn't this really the main question with Favre? I think most everyone expected him to play well for at least the first half of the season. The really interesting part is the second half, when Favre's performance has faded somewhat the past 4-5 seasons. As a Packer fan, I am of course hoping that his performance detrioriates significantly and the Vikings season tanks. Its already a very entertaining circumstance, but could get really good if they lose a few up there and the circus side-show starts.

 

[sho nuff]

Now ookie P...this might be why people get on me...butI just don't think enough was on the line for it to be considered top 10.

The game was on the line. Your negative obsession with Brett Favre ruins any thread related to him. You are a predictable tool in any Favre thread.

Yes, the game was...a regular season game in September.As for the "tool" comment...read my response to pringle above...

 

[BaBastage]

Niner fan here. And while it was a heartbreaking loss, Favre pulled it out. Forget whether or not his playing put him in position to *have* to pull it out, in the end, he did it (with some help from Lewis, of course.)

What you saw yesterday was the essence of Favre in a nutshell.

He makes the throw, he's a football god. He throws a pick on that same play, he's an over the hill chump.

Pick your argument; you won't convince the other side anyhow..

 

[datonn]

Go away, please. If you need it explained to you on how the fact it was Favre's first home game and how that will affect how that pass will be judged then it just shows you are trying to stir the pot once again.

You guys realize you're contributing to the problem though, right? Replying to sho nuff's posts and "pasting" them into yours forces the rest of us who have sho nuff on ignore to still have to see some of his posts anyway. You all can respond to the guy...that's fine. Just try and not be so lazy about it and copy everything he says into your own replies. Is that too much to ask?! Make the Pool a better place to troll, not to mention the bandwidth it would save...

 

[datonn]

Love him or hate him for what ever reason you want, but the NFL is better with him in it!

This. I've always admired Favre from afar as a Vikings fan, although I wanted him to throw about 6 picks/game just to make my Packer-backer brethren miserable. However, that was much more about Packer fans than Favre himself. I thought he needed to put down the the past couple off-seasons just like 95+ percent of the rest of the planet. However, that laser strike under pressure to end the 49ers game was a thing of beauty. I don't know that I would gush nearly as much as you did (top 10 throw?), but it was very special...and earned him a lot more fans in Minnesota and in the locker room, while silencing the haters just a bit. At least until next Monday if things don't go so well for the team in Purple. Then you just watch all of the garbage/sewage that will ensue...

 

[parasaurolophus]

Now ookie P...this might be why people get on me...butStinger...what does it being his first home game with the Vikings have to do with it being top 10 all time? Do you really think that matters?Does it have the same appeal as "the catch"? I just don't think enough was on the line for it to be considered top 10.

I guess it matters to vikings fans in the same manner you say it cant be a top 10 throw because it was too early in the season.That was the first time thousands of fans got to see Favre as their new QB, and thats what he did. You obviously put other factors into your evaluation (as many do) so he did also.I loved that play. I am happy Favre cam back again. I like watching him and I always will.

 

[bbuster]

The OP said it was a top 10 throw...why does that have to be measured by the impact of the game? It was an incredible throw period...regardless of the impact. He didn't just throw it up for grabs. He threw a 40 yard bullet to the only place that the WR could catch it and the D couldn't get to it. By throwing a bullet pass, he also would have left time for one more play if the pass had been incomplete. FWIW, I'm a lifelong Packer fan who still appreciates everything that Favre brought to the Packers and wish him success even if it is with the Vikings since it was TT who decided it wouldn't be with us.

 

[Crippler]

I can tell you the impact of the game. It is the type of throw that now has the Vikings personal firmly behind him and this is huge in the end. A tight dressing room can be the difference between a great team and a good team. Once you believe, you play better. I think one of the reasons that Packers D fell last year was because of this.

I dont know about top 10 but I could see someone making a point for it. Great throw at a timely moment. As long as he holds up physically(I still think the only reason for collapse last year was inability to throw it like he did in the Minny game after he hurt himself) we might look back at this throw as the big turning point of the season for the Vikes. I think the confidence of this team just grew huge with this win and the throw

 

[Ahmad Rashad]

...and earned him a lot more fans in Minnesota and in the locker room, while silencing the haters just a bit.

That should put the silly media talk about a schism to rest...Agree the throw was incredible, and it was about a 50-yard bullet (from around the 40 to the back of the end zone) with incredible accuracy. Very few people could have made that throw at any age...

 

[sho nuff]

Go away, please. If you need it explained to you on how the fact it was Favre's first home game and how that will affect how that pass will be judged then it just shows you are trying to stir the pot once again.

You guys realize you're contributing to the problem though, right? Replying to sho nuff's posts and "pasting" them into yours forces the rest of us who have sho nuff on ignore to still have to see some of his posts anyway. You all can respond to the guy...that's fine. Just try and not be so lazy about it and copy everything he says into your own replies. Is that too much to ask?! Make the Pool a better place to troll, not to mention the bandwidth it would save...

Can save even more by talking about the subject rather than a poster you have on ignore.You are the one adding to the problem with this BS.

 

[sho nuff]

Now ookie P...this might be why people get on me...butStinger...what does it being his first home game with the Vikings have to do with it being top 10 all time? Do you really think that matters?Does it have the same appeal as "the catch"? I just don't think enough was on the line for it to be considered top 10.

I guess it matters to vikings fans in the same manner you say it cant be a top 10 throw because it was too early in the season.That was the first time thousands of fans got to see Favre as their new QB, and thats what he did. You obviously put other factors into your evaluation (as many do) so he did also.I loved that play. I am happy Favre cam back again. I like watching him and I always will.

Well...the person who called it top 10 all time was not a Viking fan...and neither is Stinger I don't believe.

 

[sho nuff]

I can tell you the impact of the game. It is the type of throw that now has the Vikings personal firmly behind him and this is huge in the end. A tight dressing room can be the difference between a great team and a good team. Once you believe, you play better. I think one of the reasons that Packers D fell last year was because of this. I dont know about top 10 but I could see someone making a point for it. Great throw at a timely moment. As long as he holds up physically(I still think the only reason for collapse last year was inability to throw it like he did in the Minny game after he hurt himself) we might look back at this throw as the big turning point of the season for the Vikes. I think the confidence of this team just grew huge with this win and the throw

This is the kind of stuff that gets me going on here though.Does anyone seriously believe the Packer defense fell because Favre was not there?rodgers leads a 9 minute drive to take the lead with under 2 minutes left against Carolina...and the D gave up the Td because it was Rodgers who led the drive and not Favre?I can agree offensive chemistry and confidence is one thing...but the D had absolutely nothing to do with Brett Favre not being there.

 

[scott72]

In addition to it being a great throw Favre did a great job of avoiding the sack on the play. It was a great catch by Lewis as well. Considering it was Favre's first home game as a Viking and the touchdown pass won the game on the last play I'd say it deserves serious consideration as one of the top 10 throws.

I'd probably throw it up there in the top 10. There were SO many things that had to go right on that play and everything did. Another half second and Favre would have had the ball knocked out of his hands, the WR tip toeing the endzone, throw put in perfect spot. Everything came together like it had to for something like that to happen.

 

[scott72]

The OP said it was a top 10 throw...why does that have to be measured by the impact of the game? It was an incredible throw period...regardless of the impact. He didn't just throw it up for grabs. He threw a 40 yard bullet to the only place that the WR could catch it and the D couldn't get to it. By throwing a bullet pass, he also would have left time for one more play if the pass had been incomplete. FWIW, I'm a lifelong Packer fan who still appreciates everything that Favre brought to the Packers and wish him success even if it is with the Vikings since it was TT who decided it wouldn't be with us.

Very

 

[zDragon]

The OP said it was a top 10 throw...why does that have to be measured by the impact of the game? It was an incredible throw period...regardless of the impact. He didn't just throw it up for grabs. He threw a 40 yard bullet to the only place that the WR could catch it and the D couldn't get to it. By throwing a bullet pass, he also would have left time for one more play if the pass had been incomplete. FWIW, I'm a lifelong Packer fan who still appreciates everything that Favre brought to the Packers and wish him success even if it is with the Vikings since it was TT who decided it wouldn't be with us.

Very

Good to see not everyone is blind to great football. From the scramble to the catch. Great play all around.

 

[Crippler]

I can tell you the impact of the game. It is the type of throw that now has the Vikings personal firmly behind him and this is huge in the end. A tight dressing room can be the difference between a great team and a good team. Once you believe, you play better. I think one of the reasons that Packers D fell last year was because of this. I dont know about top 10 but I could see someone making a point for it. Great throw at a timely moment. As long as he holds up physically(I still think the only reason for collapse last year was inability to throw it like he did in the Minny game after he hurt himself) we might look back at this throw as the big turning point of the season for the Vikes. I think the confidence of this team just grew huge with this win and the throw

This is the kind of stuff that gets me going on here though.Does anyone seriously believe the Packer defense fell because Favre was not there?rodgers leads a 9 minute drive to take the lead with under 2 minutes left against Carolina...and the D gave up the Td because it was Rodgers who led the drive and not Favre?I can agree offensive chemistry and confidence is one thing...but the D had absolutely nothing to do with Brett Favre not being there.

Can a D not lose confidence also. When things are going good, they seem to go much better. When they start to go, they go fast. And the locker room and D went down fast last year. They lost all the confidence they had the year before it seemed. And I think Brett can bring confidence to a team.

 

[ScottyFargo]

I know that this doesn't mean anything either way, but Wingo asked Merrill Hoge and Trent Dilfer on NFL Live where that throw ranked all time versus all of Favre's greatest plays and they said it was pretty special. They may have indicated tops overall, I don't really remember, but I agree. Simply put, it summarizes the legend of Favre as a player, and for once, I as a Viking fan understood what it was like to be a Brett Favre fan for all those years as I jumped up out of my seat in complete dismay that such an impossible throw was made. So Top 10? I have no way of ranking it, honestly. I feel like it was a very important throw, and I think it does matter that it was the first home game against a very, very tough opponent.

Lewis deserves a crazy amount of credit for staying in bounds as well.

 

[duaneok66]

Props to Greg Lewis for an OUTSTANDING catch . . .

and I can't stand Favre, but that was a heck of a throw . . .

 

[sho nuff]

I can tell you the impact of the game. It is the type of throw that now has the Vikings personal firmly behind him and this is huge in the end. A tight dressing room can be the difference between a great team and a good team. Once you believe, you play better. I think one of the reasons that Packers D fell last year was because of this. I dont know about top 10 but I could see someone making a point for it. Great throw at a timely moment. As long as he holds up physically(I still think the only reason for collapse last year was inability to throw it like he did in the Minny game after he hurt himself) we might look back at this throw as the big turning point of the season for the Vikes. I think the confidence of this team just grew huge with this win and the throw

This is the kind of stuff that gets me going on here though.Does anyone seriously believe the Packer defense fell because Favre was not there?rodgers leads a 9 minute drive to take the lead with under 2 minutes left against Carolina...and the D gave up the Td because it was Rodgers who led the drive and not Favre?I can agree offensive chemistry and confidence is one thing...but the D had absolutely nothing to do with Brett Favre not being there.

Can a D not lose confidence also. When things are going good, they seem to go much better. When they start to go, they go fast. And the locker room and D went down fast last year. They lost all the confidence they had the year before it seemed. And I think Brett can bring confidence to a team.

A lot of things went down fast. Jenkins injury, Harris getting hurt, Bigby...KGB being a complete shell of himself to the point he was let go. I don't think confidence in Rodgers was the D's problem.

 

[sho nuff]

I know that this doesn't mean anything either way, but Wingo asked Merrill Hoge and Trent Dilfer on NFL Live where that throw ranked all time versus all of Favre's greatest plays and they said it was pretty special. They may have indicated tops overall, I don't really remember, but I agree. Simply put, it summarizes the legend of Favre as a player, and for once, I as a Viking fan understood what it was like to be a Brett Favre fan for all those years as I jumped up out of my seat in complete dismay that such an impossible throw was made. So Top 10? I have no way of ranking it, honestly. I feel like it was a very important throw, and I think it does matter that it was the first home game against a very, very tough opponent.Lewis deserves a crazy amount of credit for staying in bounds as well.

One of his top throws...sure. Top 10 ever is where I disagree.Though, impact and all taken in...top overall for him would be the first throw in the SB against the Pats...the audible and just the beauty of it given how he used to tend to start out pretty erratic and throw the ball high.The other I mentioned still to me is a better throw...just a crazy across the field o his back foot to Sharpe.I could see putting this right up there though.

 

[Phase of the Game]

I know that this doesn't mean anything either way, but Wingo asked Merrill Hoge and Trent Dilfer on NFL Live where that throw ranked all time versus all of Favre's greatest plays and they said it was pretty special. They may have indicated tops overall, I don't really remember, but I agree. Simply put, it summarizes the legend of Favre as a player, and for once, I as a Viking fan understood what it was like to be a Brett Favre fan for all those years as I jumped up out of my seat in complete dismay that such an impossible throw was made. So Top 10? I have no way of ranking it, honestly. I feel like it was a very important throw, and I think it does matter that it was the first home game against a very, very tough opponent.Lewis deserves a crazy amount of credit for staying in bounds as well.

One of his top throws...sure. Top 10 ever is where I disagree.I could see putting this right up there though.

The classic post by sho that goes both ways......you don't think it is top 10 yet in the same post write that "I could see putting this right up there though".

 

[Phase of the Game]

In addition to it being a great throw Favre did a great job of avoiding the sack on the play. It was a great catch by Lewis as well. Considering it was Favre's first home game as a Viking and the touchdown pass won the game on the last play I'd say it deserves serious consideration as one of the top 10 throws.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

I know that this doesn't mean anything either way, but Wingo asked Merrill Hoge and Trent Dilfer on NFL Live where that throw ranked all time versus all of Favre's greatest plays and they said it was pretty special. They may have indicated tops overall, I don't really remember, but I agree. Simply put, it summarizes the legend of Favre as a player, and for once, I as a Viking fan understood what it was like to be a Brett Favre fan for all those years as I jumped up out of my seat in complete dismay that such an impossible throw was made. So Top 10? I have no way of ranking it, honestly. I feel like it was a very important throw, and I think it does matter that it was the first home game against a very, very tough opponent.Lewis deserves a crazy amount of credit for staying in bounds as well.

One of his top throws...sure. Top 10 ever is where I disagree.I could see putting this right up there though.

So which one is it?

 

[smackdaddies]

Better throws by Favre - how about his first TD pass to Andre Rison in the Superbowl - calls an audible, hits Andre in stride, 54 yard TD. Clutch play, stoned the Patsies right out of the gate.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Better throws by Favre - how about his first TD pass to Andre Rison in the Superbowl - calls an audible, hits Andre in stride, 54 yard TD. Clutch play, stoned the Patsies right out of the gate.

That is a good one. Another one that comes to mind is the pass in OT two years ago to beat the Broncos. The 99 yarder to Brooks against the Bears on MNF was good too.Also, the pass in 1999 vs Minnesota (Sept. 26), faced with fourth-and-1, no timeouts remaining and the clock ticking away the last half-minute, threw unbelievable, 23-yard touchdown pass to wideout Corey Bradford with 12 seconds left, wrapping up an emotional, 23-20 victory; he had taken Green Bay 77 yards (on seven plays) in 1:44 on the final drive. It wasn't a throw but another great play was his TD run to beat Atlanta in the final game at County Stadium.

 

[Billy1x]

Here's the deal. Many other QBs in the league have the ability to throw that ball 48 yds (yes it was 48 yds and not 32 as the news services are saying - confirmed by Tony Dunge) on a rope (as Tony Dunge described it) BUT I doubt any of them would have had the gonzolies to throw it. Thats what sets him apart from all other QBs. Like him or not - Brett Favre is different.

Fact is, most great QBs have there own special abilities/qualitities that set them apart. If they didn't they wouldn't be memorable. They cannot really be compared. because the thing that makes them great no one else has! IMHO

 

[Pipes]

Off the top of my head

1. TD pass to Sharpe in playoffs vs Detroit

2. TD pass to Rison in Superbowl

3. TD pass to Kitrick Taylor in Favre's 1st significant action against the Bengals (game Majik was injured)

4. TD pass to Corey Bradford with seconds left against the Vikings (99 or 00)

5. TD pass to Jennings in OT

6. 99 yard TD pass to Robert Brooks (mid 90's)

7. TD pass against Seahawks (97 or 98) where he shot puts the ball

I'd probably put yesterday's pass behind the 1st 3 for sure but it's may be as high as #4. I'm sure there are others I can't recall off the top of my head.

 

[ookook]

Off the top of my head 1. TD pass to Sharpe in playoffs vs Detroit2. TD pass to Rison in Superbowl3. TD pass to Kitrick Taylor in Favre's 1st significant action against the Bengals (game Majik was injured)4. TD pass to Corey Bradford with seconds left against the Vikings (99 or 00)5. TD pass to Jennings in OT6. 99 yard TD pass to Robert Brooks (mid 90's)7. TD pass against Seahawks (97 or 98) where he shot puts the ballI'd probably put yesterday's pass behind the 1st 3 for sure but it's may be as high as #4. I'm sure there are others I can't recall off the top of my head.

Two problems here I think.First, the OP was talking top 10 of all time for ALL QBs if I read it correctly. Not FAVRE's top 10. I would say it was one of his top 10 to be sure as will be important to how he will be remembered.Second, some of the plays listed were pretty straightforward pitch and catch. Like Rison's. Was great to see and all, but all Favre had to do was hang it up there in front of him in stride. But they had greater impact on a season . So top for whom?

 

[ookook]

<<hijack>>

You know, I was going to post on this over the weekend but now is as good a time as any.

Was talking to a guy at work who is a HUGE Viking fan. He simply could not understand why I do not hate Favre. He would if a Vikings QB went to play for the Packers. I said "but I don't hate the Vikings". Two Lions fans chimed in: "As a Packers fan you HAVE to hate the Vikings and the Bears".

I tried to explain I often root for those teams to win against AFC teams or even some NFC teams. In fact, the only time I root for them to lose is when they play the Packers. And even then I just want my team to do better, but not really crush or humilate or anything.

Never really been into rivarly stuff in college either. Seems like kids' playground stuff.

I tried to explain: "If my team wins every game, it doesn't matter what they do on the off-weeks. And I actually respect the Bears and Vikings for the most part, unlike (say) the Patriots or Steelers."

They decried in unison I was not really a fan.

The truth is, I just outgrew hating and rooting for folks to lose. I would rather lose with class than win without it. AS kids, we ALLL liked teh Packers and then had like two other teams we liked (e.g., I liked the Oilers and Billy White-Shoes).

I so no dissonance in liking more than 1 team.

As I said in a now-defunct thread: I am an NFC Nortrh fan. If the Packers don't win a Superbowl, I hope the Lions (cause I feel sorry), Vikikngs, or Bears do.

So I would kinda rather have Favre play for the Vikings than a non-NFC team.

Made totally no sense to them, and they finished with the refrain: We do not understand and think you do not understand what it means to REALLY be a fan.

<<endhijack>>

 

[ookook]

I also agree with Ookie that it should put to rest everyone who said Favre cannot play the game due to physical limitations. At this point in the season at least, he can.

But isn't this really the main question with Favre? I think most everyone expected him to play well for at least the first half of the season.

Agreed. Although I still maintain the MAIN QUESTION with Favre is, was, and always will be decision making. It is really only the stats that obviate the late-season decline. As someone watching, I see someone who makes ####### throws down the stretch.Maybe it is his decision-making that declines...and maybe that is not age-related but dispositional.

 

[ScottyFargo]

<<hijack>>You know, I was going to post on this over the weekend but now is as good a time as any.Was talking to a guy at work who is a HUGE Viking fan. He simply could not understand why I do not hate Favre. He would if a Vikings QB went to play for the Packers. I said "but I don't hate the Vikings". Two Lions fans chimed in: "As a Packers fan you HAVE to hate the Vikings and the Bears".I tried to explain I often root for those teams to win against AFC teams or even some NFC teams. In fact, the only time I root for them to lose is when they play the Packers. And even then I just want my team to do better, but not really crush or humilate or anything. Never really been into rivarly stuff in college either. Seems like kids' playground stuff. I tried to explain: "If my team wins every game, it doesn't matter what they do on the off-weeks. And I actually respect the Bears and Vikings for the most part, unlike (say) the Patriots or Steelers."They decried in unison I was not really a fan. The truth is, I just outgrew hating and rooting for folks to lose. I would rather lose with class than win without it. AS kids, we ALLL liked teh Packers and then had like two other teams we liked (e.g., I liked the Oilers and Billy White-Shoes).I so no dissonance in liking more than 1 team.As I said in a now-defunct thread: I am an NFC Nortrh fan. If the Packers don't win a Superbowl, I hope the Lions (cause I feel sorry), Vikikngs, or Bears do. So I would kinda rather have Favre play for the Vikings than a non-NFC team.Made totally no sense to them, and they finished with the refrain: We do not understand and think you do not understand what it means to REALLY be a fan. <<endhijack>>

You're a pretty cool guy and much more mature than I am, because I am a big ball of hate.

 

[ookook]

You're a pretty cool guy and much more mature than I am, because I am a big ball of hate.

But if the Vikings don't win the SP, who would you prefer did:a. the Patriots b. da BearsAnswer for me is easy as pie.I would lose no sleep if the former won another game during my lifetime. Just an example, just saying.

 

[ScottyFargo]

You're a pretty cool guy and much more mature than I am, because I am a big ball of hate.

But if the Vikings don't win the SP, who would you prefer did:a. the Patriots

b. da Bears

Answer for me is easy as pie.

I would lose no sleep if the former won another game during my lifetime.

Just an example, just saying.

Saying you're not a fan is out of line. For me, I would rather any AFC team beat a different NFC North team. I understand the idea that it means your division is among the best and that says something for sure. I also see your point re: Pats, Steelers etc. but I was super pleased when Indy beat the Bears. I don't wish success for any team but the Vikings. I don't see a problem with you thinking your way though. And to tie it back on topic, I think it still makes sense for those Packer fans to cheer for Favre when he's not playing Green Bay (or should he play in a game later this season that decides the future of GB's playoff hopes.) If they choose too, it makes sense for them. I guess the closest Viking fans have had to deal with in recent memory (and I say this knowing it's an inadequate comparison) was when Moss could have wound up in GB (and how he's now a Patriot.) I was glad he didn't wind up there but that was more out of being scared of what having him in the division meant for the Vikings, not just because he was a former Viking.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

<<hijack>>You know, I was going to post on this over the weekend but now is as good a time as any.Was talking to a guy at work who is a HUGE Viking fan. He simply could not understand why I do not hate Favre. He would if a Vikings QB went to play for the Packers. I said "but I don't hate the Vikings". Two Lions fans chimed in: "As a Packers fan you HAVE to hate the Vikings and the Bears".I tried to explain I often root for those teams to win against AFC teams or even some NFC teams. In fact, the only time I root for them to lose is when they play the Packers. And even then I just want my team to do better, but not really crush or humilate or anything. Never really been into rivarly stuff in college either. Seems like kids' playground stuff. I tried to explain: "If my team wins every game, it doesn't matter what they do on the off-weeks. And I actually respect the Bears and Vikings for the most part, unlike (say) the Patriots or Steelers."They decried in unison I was not really a fan. The truth is, I just outgrew hating and rooting for folks to lose. I would rather lose with class than win without it. AS kids, we ALLL liked teh Packers and then had like two other teams we liked (e.g., I liked the Oilers and Billy White-Shoes).I so no dissonance in liking more than 1 team.As I said in a now-defunct thread: I am an NFC Nortrh fan. If the Packers don't win a Superbowl, I hope the Lions (cause I feel sorry), Vikikngs, or Bears do. So I would kinda rather have Favre play for the Vikings than a non-NFC team.Made totally no sense to them, and they finished with the refrain: We do not understand and think you do not understand what it means to REALLY be a fan. <<endhijack>>

I think it is entirely rediculous for anyone to criticize the way a fan enjoys the sport, or to say one fan is not "REALLY" a fan because of something like this. In the end its all about being entertained and we all enjoy the entertainment Favre continues to provide. All that said, like your co-workers, I also find this type of statement bizarre and very hard to understand. With a real war going on and the economy in the tank, obviously football has its place and its not really part of what I consider "real life". But the fact is that I want those two teams to fail miserably every week of every season. For me its a very easy situation - Favre now plays for the other guys, so I hate him and want to see him fail. That is absolutely my right as a Packer fan. Even my 4 year old son knows that, as awesome as Anakin was when he was a Jedi knight killing droids for the republic, he lost all that good will when he put on that black mask and picked up the red lightsaber. Its pretty much the exact same analysis for me now as a Packer fan.

 

[sho nuff]

I know that this doesn't mean anything either way, but Wingo asked Merrill Hoge and Trent Dilfer on NFL Live where that throw ranked all time versus all of Favre's greatest plays and they said it was pretty special. They may have indicated tops overall, I don't really remember, but I agree. Simply put, it summarizes the legend of Favre as a player, and for once, I as a Viking fan understood what it was like to be a Brett Favre fan for all those years as I jumped up out of my seat in complete dismay that such an impossible throw was made. So Top 10? I have no way of ranking it, honestly. I feel like it was a very important throw, and I think it does matter that it was the first home game against a very, very tough opponent.Lewis deserves a crazy amount of credit for staying in bounds as well.

One of his top throws...sure. Top 10 ever is where I disagree.I could see putting this right up there though.

The classic post by sho that goes both ways......you don't think it is top 10 yet in the same post write that "I could see putting this right up there though".

Right up there in his top 10...not top 10 overall.but thanks for yet another post about me.