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Bell declares he should move up to become Broncos' No.1 back

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Even though it is Bell's third spring with the Broncos, his hope to be the team's lug-the-rock-every-down running back still springs eternal.

"I feel like I can do all that," Bell said Wednesday during the first day of the team's six-day minicamp at the Dove Valley complex. "I feel like I can be the man. . . . This year, I am not taking no for an answer. If I stay healthy, I feel like I'll be the man, that's just how I see it."

And his battle, once again, is against:

• A roster that has another candidate for the job - this time, Ron Dayne.

• The pressure of playing in a system that has made the Broncos the league's leading rushing team since the start of the 1995 season (25,022 yards), no matter who is carrying the ball.

• The perception he can stay healthy enough to be more than a situational runner, the change-of-pace speed back who gets, as Shanahan has said, only "10 to 12 carries a game."

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As a result, Bell did not have more than 15 carries in a game until mid-November and didn't have more than 17 carries in a game all season.

"I know there is a lot of talk about how it doesn't matter who starts because we're both going to split time," Bell said. "But I don't want it to be like that. I want to be the guy, come out when I need a blow. . . . I would like those carries."

But at the league meetings in March, Shanahan said he would be inclined to evenly divide the workload in the backfield in 2006 if no one snatched the job outright.

Some have pointed to the fact Bell averaged more than 5 yards a carry in five of the Broncos' first eight games last season, then, in the final eight games, averaged more than 5 yards a carry only once - against the Kansas City Chiefs.

"When I heard the news about Mike, and then when we didn't get another running back, I was like, 'Oh, yeah, that's all I need,' " Bell said. "But come quarterback camp, it was, 'Dayne, you go with the first group.' I didn't say nothing, but I was like, 'Ahh, here we go again.'

"We were second in the league (rushing) last year rotating, so we should be in the top five again if we rotate. But I feel like I can be in the top five if I get those carries (laughs). I'm really just going to crank it up a notch."

 

[bostonfred]

Bell sounds like a real tieam player.

 

[zamboni]

Bell sounds like a real tieam player.

It's hard to fault the guy for wanting to be the lead dog. Any RB worth their competitive salt would want to be.If he started whining if Dayne gets most of the carries, then I would say he's being a tool.

 

[perry147]

Bell sounds like a real tieam player.

It's hard to fault the guy for wanting to be the lead dog. Any RB worth their competitive salt would want to be.If he started whining if Dayne gets most of the carries, then I would say he's being a tool.

Shannahan hates selfish players and it Bell keeps this up then he will definately not be the #1 RB.

 

[Neo]

Bell sounds like a real tieam player.

It's hard to fault the guy for wanting to be the lead dog. Any RB worth their competitive salt would want to be.If he started whining if Dayne gets most of the carries, then I would say he's being a tool.

Well he started whining that Dayne got carries with the first team. I don't think this guy gets it. He is going to have to give up carries to Dayne. Period. If he doesn't get that now, he is going to piss off a lot of people in the organization and this is going to end up a disaster. Everything he said pointed to "ME! ME! ME!". Not one thing about the good of the team. Have confidence, have desire, feel you should be the number 1 guy but shut up and earn it. Nothing good is going to come out of you yapping to the media like that.

 

[P Boy]

I think the thing I noticed most prominently from the article aside from Bell seemingly overrating himself quite a bit that even as a Donkey fan I hadn't realized is how susceptible Bell is to being significantly affected by nagging injuries & how much they affect his performance.

My impression after his rookie year playing through the shoulder injury at the end of the year was that he was pretty tough. I'm going to have to re-evaluate that impression. The guy has either missed games or had his game performance affected by at least 5 distinct & unrelated injuries already in his short career.

That & the dramatic drop in his ypc production from his first 10 carries to carries 11+ in a game are starting to scream CoP RB as a permanent situation for Bell for his career. Both of those factors imply signiifcant limitations on Bell in order to keep him active & effective.

 

[zamboni]

Bell sounds like a real tieam player.

It's hard to fault the guy for wanting to be the lead dog. Any RB worth their competitive salt would want to be.If he started whining if Dayne gets most of the carries, then I would say he's being a tool.

Well he started whining that Dayne got carries with the first team. I don't think this guy gets it. He is going to have to give up carries to Dayne. Period. If he doesn't get that now, he is going to piss off a lot of people in the organization and this is going to end up a disaster. Everything he said pointed to "ME! ME! ME!". Not one thing about the good of the team. Have confidence, have desire, feel you should be the number 1 guy but shut up and earn it. Nothing good is going to come out of you yapping to the media like that.

I don't disagree with you, and I'm not a Bell fan (or owner) either. I just wouldn't put too much salt into what he's saying in one story - yet.

 

[jdraiders]

that team is a mess and it is why I will never have a Denver RB

 

[P Boy]

that team is a mess and it is why I will never have a Denver RB

Yeah, who would want any part of "playing in a system that has made the Broncos the league's leading rushing team since the start of the 1995 season (25,022 yards), no matter who is carrying the ball. "

 

[Neo]

Bell sounds like a real tieam player.

It's hard to fault the guy for wanting to be the lead dog. Any RB worth their competitive salt would want to be.If he started whining if Dayne gets most of the carries, then I would say he's being a tool.

Well he started whining that Dayne got carries with the first team. I don't think this guy gets it. He is going to have to give up carries to Dayne. Period. If he doesn't get that now, he is going to piss off a lot of people in the organization and this is going to end up a disaster. Everything he said pointed to "ME! ME! ME!". Not one thing about the good of the team. Have confidence, have desire, feel you should be the number 1 guy but shut up and earn it. Nothing good is going to come out of you yapping to the media like that.

I don't disagree with you, and I'm not a Bell fan (or owner) either. I just wouldn't put too much salt into what he's saying in one story - yet.

Totally agree, it is just one story and as with anything written in print, we weren't there to get the gist of the story. Either way, he should just prepare himself and play.

 

[jdraiders]

that team is a mess and it is why I will never have a Denver RB

Yeah, who would want any part of "playing in a system that has made the Broncos the league's leading rushing team since the start of the 1995 season (25,022 yards), no matter who is carrying the ball. "

That's great...but who are you going to draft...and when? You better take all 3 RB's....or is it 4 now? That's sounds like a great drafting strategy....take 3 or 4 RB's from the same team so you can have a top 15 RB.

 

[P Boy]

That's great...but who are you going to draft...and when?  You better take all 3 RB's....or is it 4 now? 

That's sounds like a great drafting strategy....take 3 or 4 RB's from the same team so you can have a top 15 RB.

Or figure out who the primary ball carrier is & get him at a huge value. Last season that was Anderson - and quite a few people like me got him in or around the 9th round of a FF draft. This year that value is Dayne, who by FBG's ADP posting is the #36 RB off the board - and at an ADP of 78 is going in the 7th round of 12 team drafts, but if he remains as the #1 RB in DEN will far outproduce his FF draft position. If someone else wants Bell in the 3rd - or 2nd like some people took him last year, let them.The Dayne haters are doing a superb job right now of keeping his value high. Hopefully they'll keep chiming in early & often on every DEN RB thread, like they always do.

You don't have to carry 3 or 4 DEN RBs - you just need to carry the right 1 DEN RB and you can get him as your #3 or #4 drafted RB in a FF draft.

 

[The Ref]

Hey Pony, you want to shut the up. I'm licking my lips to get Dayne on the cheap this year, and your telling everyone how much value he has.

I'm talking up Bell to everyone who will listen.

 

[P Boy]

Hey Pony, you want to shut the up. I'm licking my lips to get Dayne on the cheap this year, and your telling everyone how much value he has.

I'm talking up Bell to everyone who will listen.

 

[Football Menace]

Hey Pony, you want to shut the up. I'm licking my lips to get Dayne on the cheap this year, and your telling everyone how much value he has.

I'm talking up Bell to everyone who will listen.

I was able to steal Anderson in the 12th round last season, and Dayne is starting to look like a great 12th round selection this year.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Ourlads currently lists Tater as the #1 back for the Broncos. That is all.

 

[P Boy]

Ourlads currently lists Tater as the #1 back for the Broncos. That is all.

SO LET IT BE WRITTEN, SO LET IT BE DONE!

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Ourlads currently lists Tater as the #1 back for the Broncos.  That is all.

SO LET IT BE WRITTEN, SO LET IT BE DONE!

No doubt, now that you have the facts, you will be trying to pry Tater away from me. I think a first and a second rounder ought to get this Turd, I mean Tater away from me. BTW very nice use of Yul Brenner shtick. Way under utilized stuff. I'll be expecting something from Magnificent Seven in your next post.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Actually I'm glad to see Tater has a little fire and desire. I'll watch to see whether he can parley that into enough of a change in his game to make his coaches take note. His actions are going to have to speak a lot louder than his words because he has been pigeon-holed, and overcoming a coaches perceptions will take a lot. Frankly I don't believe Tater has this in him. He has always seemed to like the accolades part of the game more than the work part. To achieve his goal is going to take a lot of work, or for Dayne to eat himself out of a job.

 

[The Ref]

Hey Pony, you want to shut the  up.  I'm licking my lips to get Dayne on the cheap this year, and your telling everyone how much value he has.

I'm talking up Bell to everyone who will listen.

I just dont want to get when some hears that Dayne might be an ok pick this year and selects him right in front of me. I want everyone to when I Pick Dayne so I can dance like and talk and watch everyone in my division when he starts to carry the bulk after our draft.

for way to many smilies I know.

 

[jurb26]

I think a lot of poeple are making a mistake by assuming that what happend with Anderson last year is some how a normal trend. Nobody knows WTF is going on in the Den backfield right now and things won't be clear until camp starts and by then it will more than likely be too late.

 

[Riffraff]

Mike Bell sure is loud for an UDFA.

 

[aposulli]

Hey Pony, you want to shut the  up.  I'm licking my lips to get Dayne on the cheap this year, and your telling everyone how much value he has.

I'm talking up Bell to everyone who will listen.

I just dont want to get when some hears that Dayne might be an ok pick this year and selects him right in front of me. I want everyone to when I Pick Dayne so I can dance like and talk and watch everyone in my division when he starts to carry the bulk after our draft.

for way to many smilies I know.

 

[P Boy]

Mike Bell sure is loud for an UDFA.

The funny thing is, that in a normal draft where more than 14 RBs are taken, Mike Bell probably would have been about a 6th round draft pick for DEN.

Wait, let me think... where have I heard 6th round RB & DEN associated before...hmmmm, just a minute, it'll come to me....seems to me it happened a couple of times.....ummmmm.....

 

[jdraiders]

Hey Pony, you want to shut the  up.  I'm licking my lips to get Dayne on the cheap this year, and your telling everyone how much value he has.

I'm talking up Bell to everyone who will listen.

I just dont want to get when some hears that Dayne might be an ok pick this year and selects him right in front of me. I want everyone to when I Pick Dayne so I can dance like and talk and watch everyone in my division when he starts to carry the bulk after our draft.

for way to many smilies I know.

Actually, this thread is useless.......I just can't believe eveyone's hype of Dayne......oh well, I will get back on here in Octber-Dec and say I told ya so

 

[P Boy]

Actually, this thread is useless.......I just can't believe eveyone's hype of Dayne......oh well, I will get back on here in Octber-Dec and say I told ya so   

Actually, it's extremely beneficial to have people like you around to help keep Dayne's value high. Please keep posting as often as possible on all DEN RBs threads.

 

[jurb26]

So, all you people who are in love with Dayne here is a question for you. What, if anything, do you plan on doing with Bell? This seems like an odd handcuff situation in that the handcuff will actually have te be drafted before the actual targeted player. Or do you just not plan on handcuffing Dayne... are you that confident? I know personally, I would want the handcuff.

 

[Neo]

So, all you people who are in love with Dayne here is a question for you. What, if anything, do you plan on doing with Bell? This seems like an odd handcuff situation in that the handcuff will actually have te be drafted before the actual targeted player. Or do you just not plan on handcuffing Dayne... are you that confident? I know personally, I would want the handcuff.

Jurb, I think if you like Dayne, you like Dayne for his value and value alone. Drafting Bell to handcuff him totally defeats the purpose of this value. Personally, where Dayne is being drafted, you can have 2 solid starting runningbacks and make Dayne a number 3 with potentially huge upside. Just my opinion.

 

[jurb26]

So, all you people who are in love with Dayne here is a question for you. What, if anything, do you plan on doing with Bell? This seems like an odd handcuff situation in that the handcuff will actually have te be drafted before the actual targeted player. Or do you just not plan on handcuffing Dayne... are you that confident? I know personally, I would want the handcuff.

Jurb, I think if you like Dayne, you like Dayne for his value and value alone. Drafting Bell to handcuff him totally defeats the purpose of this value. Personally, where Dayne is being drafted, you can have 2 solid starting runningbacks and make Dayne a number 3 with potentially huge upside. Just my opinion.

There is a large risk there though. Even though Anderson solidified the role last year in camp and played extremely well, Bell was still there taking carries. I don't see Dayne as a better RB than Anderson and Bell is still, well Bell. Common sense would lead me to believe that in this case, we see more of a split and thus a greater opportunity that Bell does in fact sneak in to take more and more carries. I took Anderson last year as a mear flyer in a few leagues becuase I had doubts about Bell and the overall Den sitation. Those flyers were very late in the 14-16 round park. I don't see Dayne lasting near that long this year at anypoint. Either way, it seems that the overridding theme to these Dayne lovers is that they will have "The Den RB." Well, there is a greater probability that this years "Den RB" will be 2 guys rather than just one. I would think that the smart drafter would look to cover his bets. Not only that, but if the person does not care or want Bell in any way. Then it speaks far greater volumes as to where his confidence really lays on Dayne.

 

[Neo]

So, all you people who are in love with Dayne here is a question for you. What, if anything, do you plan on doing with Bell? This seems like an odd handcuff situation in that the handcuff will actually have te be drafted before the actual targeted player. Or do you just not plan on handcuffing Dayne... are you that confident? I know personally, I would want the handcuff.

Jurb, I think if you like Dayne, you like Dayne for his value and value alone. Drafting Bell to handcuff him totally defeats the purpose of this value. Personally, where Dayne is being drafted, you can have 2 solid starting runningbacks and make Dayne a number 3 with potentially huge upside. Just my opinion.

There is a large risk there though. Even though Anderson solidified the role last year in camp and played extremely well, Bell was still there taking carries. I don't see Dayne as a better RB than Anderson and Bell is still, well Bell. Common sense would lead me to believe that in this case, we see more of a split and thus a greater opportunity that Bell does in fact sneak in to take more and more carries. I took Anderson last year as a mear flyer in a few leagues becuase I had doubts about Bell and the overall Den sitation. Those flyers were very late in the 14-16 round park. I don't see Dayne lasting near that long this year at anypoint. Either way, it seems that the overridding theme to these Dayne lovers is that they will have "The Den RB." Well, there is a greater probability that this years "Den RB" will be 2 guys rather than just one. I would think that the smart drafter would look to cover his bets. Not only that, but if the person does not care or want Bell in any way. Then it speaks far greater volumes as to where his confidence really lays on Dayne.

Jurb, usually with number 3 runningbacks come risk. Take a look at the runningbacks ADP who are on par with big dodo Dayne:RB32 Curtis Martin - age, team questions

RB33 Chris Brown - Lendale in the wings

RB34 DeAngelo Williams - DeShaun splitting carries

RB35 Dominic Rhodes - Addai also in the mix

RB36 Ron Dayne - Tatum Tot splitting carries

RB37 Laurence Maroney - Dillon prob gets the nod if healthy this year

RB38 Frank Gore - can he remain healthy, Barlow still on team

RB39 LenDale White - will split time with Chrissy Brown and Travis Henrietta

RB40 Marion Barber - will split with time with JJ

Every single one of those backs are risks. For a redraft who would you rather have of the bunch? I'll take my chances on Dayne personally, especially after reading loads of comments from the Denver staff, his contract extension, Bell's inabiltiy (to this point) to prove he can handle a full load, and the potential numbers he can put up *if* he is the guy.

Edited to add and *IF* he doesn't suck.

 

[jurb26]

So, all you people who are in love with Dayne here is a question for you. What, if anything, do you plan on doing with Bell? This seems like an odd handcuff situation in that the handcuff will actually have te be drafted before the actual targeted player. Or do you just not plan on handcuffing Dayne... are you that confident? I know personally, I would want the handcuff.

Jurb, I think if you like Dayne, you like Dayne for his value and value alone. Drafting Bell to handcuff him totally defeats the purpose of this value. Personally, where Dayne is being drafted, you can have 2 solid starting runningbacks and make Dayne a number 3 with potentially huge upside. Just my opinion.

There is a large risk there though. Even though Anderson solidified the role last year in camp and played extremely well, Bell was still there taking carries. I don't see Dayne as a better RB than Anderson and Bell is still, well Bell. Common sense would lead me to believe that in this case, we see more of a split and thus a greater opportunity that Bell does in fact sneak in to take more and more carries. I took Anderson last year as a mear flyer in a few leagues becuase I had doubts about Bell and the overall Den sitation. Those flyers were very late in the 14-16 round park. I don't see Dayne lasting near that long this year at anypoint. Either way, it seems that the overridding theme to these Dayne lovers is that they will have "The Den RB." Well, there is a greater probability that this years "Den RB" will be 2 guys rather than just one. I would think that the smart drafter would look to cover his bets. Not only that, but if the person does not care or want Bell in any way. Then it speaks far greater volumes as to where his confidence really lays on Dayne.

Jurb, usually with number 3 runningbacks come risk. Take a look at the runningbacks ADP who are on par with big dodo Dayne:RB32 Curtis Martin - age, team questions

RB33 Chris Brown - Lendale in the wings

RB34 DeAngelo Williams - DeShaun splitting carries

RB35 Dominic Rhodes - Addai also in the mix

RB36 Ron Dayne - Tatum Tot splitting carries

RB37 Laurence Maroney - Dillon prob gets the nod if healthy this year

RB38 Frank Gore - can he remain healthy, Barlow still on team

RB39 LenDale White - will split time with Chrissy Brown and Travis Henrietta

RB40 Marion Barber - will split with time with JJ

Every single one of those backs are risks. For a redraft who would you rather have of the bunch? I'll take my chances on Dayne personally, especially after reading loads of comments from the Denver staff, his contract extension, Bell's inabiltiy (to this point) to prove he can handle a full load, and the potential numbers he can put up *if* he is the guy.

Edited to add and *IF* he doesn't suck.

Personally, I like 2 other RBs up there more. Both of them have risk, but still I like them more and would feel safer taking them. White and Williams are the guys. Personally, I see it as you needing to go Bell/Dayne to really get the peace of mind you want and that uses up 2 fairly early picks. I see your point, but it still strikes me that you would have to be very confident in Dayne to feel that way. Seeing the comparision to Dayne and Anerson of last year, I'm not really sure there is enough justification to feel that way just yet. Thats why I possed the question to Dayne lovers/backers.

 

[DocNiner52]

If Bell concentrates on staying healthy and keeping his foot out of his mouth, I know many will disagree, he WILL be the main man in Denver this year. Call it a hunch, gut feeling, or just my plain ole danged opinion, I think he has enough talent to lead the team in touches,total yards and td's in Shanny's stable of pick a guy and he'll get you a 1,000 yards running backs. I'm not afraid to take chances in FF and we all know sometimes it works out and somtimes it doesn't. I've got him in a couple of leagues and I'll start him until he shows me he can't get the job done. I did manage to draft his partner in crime, Ron Dayne, who I've seen many annoint him the starter over Bell. I know many will stay away from the Denver rb situation as they have done in years past. So, go ahead and rip me apart for stepping up to the plate and taking a chance on the guy, but it won't sway my decision to play him. If I fall flat on my face standing by him so be it, but I've done well enough in playing FF that I have confidence in players I choose. I will surely revisit the Bell subject at years end to see how I faired and take my due critcizm and say you guys were right, but I don't think I'll have to eat crow. My hats off too to those who are willing to take a chance on Tatum. We'll celebrate our success together.

 

[Acme CEO]

Any news on Bell adding some mass this offseason? That might help with the durability issues.

 

[P Boy]

Personally, I like 2 other RBs up there more.  Both of them have risk, but still I like them more and would feel safer taking them.  White and Williams are the guys.  Personally, I see it as you needing to go Bell/Dayne to really get the peace of mind you want and that uses up 2 fairly early picks.

As a Dayne/non-Bell owner, I'm completely comfortable with having Dayne as my #3 RB in a start 1/start 2 RB league. According to the ADPs currently available, you'd have to draft Bell with a 4th round pick (#41) & Dayne with a 7th round pick (#78) in a 12 team league.If I think Dayne is going to be the featured RB & Bell the CoP, why would I want to burn a 4th rounder for a RB when I think the 7th rounder is going to perform better than the 4th rounder?I sure don't need "peace of mind" with a RB who may be on my bench for all but 2 games, but who may work his way into being my regular #2 RB. I'm really failing to see a downside here by not owning Bell, much like I had little to no downside last year drafting Anderson in the 9th when Bell went in the late 2nd round. I had my 2 starters on board & Anderson was a very pleasant luxury that gave me quite a bit of flexibility at RB for a relatively small price. It was the Bell owner that was twisting in the wind.Even if Dayne fails completely, what am I out - a 7th rounder who is my #3 RB? I can easily recover from that with some savvy late round drafting.

 

[The Ref]

So, all you people who are in love with Dayne here is a question for you. What, if anything, do you plan on doing with Bell? This seems like an odd handcuff situation in that the handcuff will actually have te be drafted before the actual targeted player. Or do you just not plan on handcuffing Dayne... are you that confident? I know personally, I would want the handcuff.

Nothing....absolutely nothing. All you need is for Dayne to get 40% of the bulk, and he is worth a 6th rounder.

 

[jurb26]

So, all you people who are in love with Dayne here is a question for you. What, if anything, do you plan on doing with Bell? This seems like an odd handcuff situation in that the handcuff will actually have te be drafted before the actual targeted player. Or do you just not plan on handcuffing Dayne... are you that confident? I know personally, I would want the handcuff.

Nothing....absolutely nothing. All you need is for Dayne to get 40% of the bulk, and he is worth a 6th rounder.

See, to me a 6th rounder seems a high price to pay for a guy who is only getting 40% of the work. If he is only getting 40%, that means another guy(s) is getting more than a healthy opportunity to prove he is better in a system that seems to be a catalyst for such things.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

So, all you people who are in love with Dayne here is a question for you. What, if anything, do you plan on doing with Bell? This seems like an odd handcuff situation in that the handcuff will actually have te be drafted before the actual targeted player. Or do you just not plan on handcuffing Dayne... are you that confident? I know personally, I would want the handcuff.

Jurb, I think if you like Dayne, you like Dayne for his value and value alone. Drafting Bell to handcuff him totally defeats the purpose of this value. Personally, where Dayne is being drafted, you can have 2 solid starting runningbacks and make Dayne a number 3 with potentially huge upside. Just my opinion.

There is a large risk there though. Even though Anderson solidified the role last year in camp and played extremely well, Bell was still there taking carries. I don't see Dayne as a better RB than Anderson and Bell is still, well Bell. Common sense would lead me to believe that in this case, we see more of a split and thus a greater opportunity that Bell does in fact sneak in to take more and more carries. I took Anderson last year as a mear flyer in a few leagues becuase I had doubts about Bell and the overall Den sitation. Those flyers were very late in the 14-16 round park. I don't see Dayne lasting near that long this year at anypoint. Either way, it seems that the overridding theme to these Dayne lovers is that they will have "The Den RB." Well, there is a greater probability that this years "Den RB" will be 2 guys rather than just one. I would think that the smart drafter would look to cover his bets. Not only that, but if the person does not care or want Bell in any way. Then it speaks far greater volumes as to where his confidence really lays on Dayne.

In the leagues in which I drafted Anderson last year, I did not draft Bell. I do not regret not drafting Bell.This year, I'd like to have Bell for the right price, and Dayne for the right price. If Bell ends up costing more than he's worth, I have no problem passing on him again. (Same goes for Dayne, but it is less likely that I'd have to overpay for him.)

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

So, all you people who are in love with Dayne here is a question for you. What, if anything, do you plan on doing with Bell? This seems like an odd handcuff situation in that the handcuff will actually have te be drafted before the actual targeted player. Or do you just not plan on handcuffing Dayne... are you that confident? I know personally, I would want the handcuff.

Nothing....absolutely nothing. All you need is for Dayne to get 40% of the bulk, and he is worth a 6th rounder.

See, to me a 6th rounder seems a high price to pay for a guy who is only getting 40% of the work. If he is only getting 40%, that means another guy(s) is getting more than a healthy opportunity to prove he is better in a system that seems to be a catalyst for such things.

If I draft Dayne as the 36th RB off the board and he finishes as the #25 RB, I will be happy with the pick regardless of what percentage of his team's carries he gets. If he gets 40% of the Broncos' carries, he should be in the top 25 range.Last year Tatum Bell got 36% of the Broncos carries, and he finished as the #22 RB.

If Dayne gets 40% of the Broncos carries this year, he'd be a bargain in the sixth round. If he gets more than 40% of the Broncos carries, which is quite possible, so much the better.

 

[P Boy]

See, to me a 6th rounder seems a high price to pay for a guy who is only getting 40% of the work. If he is only getting 40%, that means another guy(s) is getting more than a healthy opportunity to prove he is better in a system that seems to be a catalyst for such things.

Yeah, but when you're talking 40% of the rushing numbers in DEN, you're also talking about just over 1000 yds on 215 carries and 10 TDs. That would have been good for the 10th best FF RB last season in a non-ppr league - and it would have been a smidgeon less than Anerson's marks last year. And that looks like the low end of the prediction with some decent upside.That's not worth a 6th/7th round pick for you? You might have your requirements a wee bit stringent, don't you think?

 

[jurb26]

See, to me a 6th rounder seems a high price to pay for a guy who is only getting 40% of the work. If he is only getting 40%, that means another guy(s) is getting more than a healthy opportunity to prove he is better in a system that seems to be a catalyst for such things.

Yeah, but when you're talking 40% of the rushing numbers in DEN, you're also talking about just over 1000 yds on 215 carries and 10 TDs. That would have been good for the 10th best FF RB last season in a non-ppr league - and it would have been a smidgeon less than Anerson's marks last year. And that looks like the low end of the prediction with some decent upside.That's not worth a 6th/7th round pick for you? You might have your requirements a wee bit stringent, don't you think?

I don't think you are understanding my concern which is really no different than the very one I had last year at this time with Bell. It's that when RBs are given the op to play in Den, the will normally do well. I dont' see how that is a good thing if you own the supposedly #1 RB in Den. What if he gets hurt for a few games? What if Bell just flat outperforms him in his given ops? Of course I like Dayne in the 6th if he was sure to get 40% and ost those types of numbers. Any time there is another RBs hand in the jar though, I see it as added risk though.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I don't think you are understanding my concern which is really no different than the very one I had last year at this time with Bell. It's that when RBs are given the op to play in Den, the will normally do well. I dont' see how that is a good thing if you own the supposedly #1 RB in Den.

Den RBs are good, so having the #1 Den RB is bad? I'm not following this line of reasoning.Obviously there's a chance that Dayne will not be the #1 RB in Denver this season. But that's true of everybody you might draft in the sixth round.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

All of this will, of course, be complicated by people having learned from last year. Bell almost certainly will not be drafted as high, and Dayne almost certainly will not fall quite as far as did Anderson last year if Shanahan continues to list him @ #1 on the depth chart.

I'm wondering what drafters will do this year when Bell is still there after the third round, and even the fourth round.

 

[jurb26]

All of this will, of course, be complicated by people having learned from last year. Bell almost certainly will not be drafted as high, and Dayne almost certainly will not fall quite as far as did Anderson last year if Shanahan continues to list him @ #1 on the depth chart.

I'm wondering what drafters will do this year when Bell is still there after the third round, and even the fourth round.

Exactly... will there be people drafting Bell/Dayne back to back? Might not be a bad ploy at a turn.

 

[Tom Servo]

If Bell concentrates on staying healthy and keeping his foot out of his mouth, I know many will disagree, he WILL be the main man in Denver this year. Call it a hunch, gut feeling, or just my plain ole danged opinion, I think he has enough talent to lead the team in touches,total yards and td's in Shanny's stable of pick a guy and he'll get you a 1,000 yards running backs. I'm not afraid to take chances in FF and we all know sometimes it works out and somtimes it doesn't. I've got him in a couple of leagues and I'll start him until he shows me he can't get the job done. I did manage to draft his partner in crime, Ron Dayne, who I've seen many annoint him the starter over Bell. I know many will stay away from the Denver rb situation as they have done in years past. So, go ahead and rip me apart for stepping up to the plate and taking a chance on the guy, but it won't sway my decision to play him. If I fall flat on my face standing by him so be it, but I've done well enough in playing FF that I have confidence in players I choose. I will surely revisit the Bell subject at years end to see how I faired and take my due critcizm and say you guys were right, but I don't think I'll have to eat crow. My hats off too to those who are willing to take a chance on Tatum. We'll celebrate our success together.

for the bolded portions of the quote. You pay your money; go ahead and take the chance. The worst thing that can happen is that you suck and end up with a losing record.

 

[mbuehner]

and Dayne is starting to look like a great 12th round selection this year.

Even I agree he would be a steal in the 12th round- and i dont think he'll be on the team by the first snowfall in Denver. But his ADP is already 76 (RB36) putting him in the 7th round. If he shows the classic Ron Dayne pre-season brilliance when it doesnt matter, he will climb much further. Its barely June and Dayne is already being drafted ahead of:77 RB37 Laurence Maroney NE/6 78 RB38 Frank Gore SF/7 79 TE7 Chris Cooley Was/8 80 QB11 Trent Green KC/3 81 WR25 Laveranues Coles NYJ/9 82 TE8 Randy McMichael Mia/8 83 WR26 Donte' Stallworth NO/7 84 WR27 Michael Clayton TB/4 85 RB39 LenDale White Ten/7 86 WR28 Nate Burleson Sea/5 87 QB12 Jake Plummer Den/4 88 QB13 Drew Bledsoe Dal/3 89 QB14 Brett Favre GB/6 90 WR29 Jerry Porter Oak/3 I dont know that i want to live in a world where Ron Dayne is being drafted ahead of Brett Favre- even in fantasy football.TJ Duckett can be had at 121 (11th round) and lock you in for 8 tds and 500 yards with the Warrick Dunn going down upside. Dayne is already too expensive and there good 'project' RB gambles much further down the draft that have shown an ability to stay in a lineup.

 

[CowboyFan]

That & the dramatic drop in his ypc production from his first 10 carries to carries 11+ in a game are starting to scream CoP RB as a permanent situation for Bell for his career. Both of those factors imply signiifcant limitations on Bell in order to keep him active & effective.

Just out of curiosity, what was Bell's ypc on carries 1-10 vs. 11+ ??

 

[mbuehner]

Obviously there's a chance that Dayne will not be the #1 RB in Denver this season. But that's true of everybody you might draft in the sixth round

Every running back maybe, but assuming Dayne ends up a 6th round pick you'll be passing on proven WRs, TEs, like Branch, Galloway, Evans, Crumpler, and some huge upside QBs like a Plummer, Bledsoe, or Vick. There are gonna be some chagrinned faces out there if Bledsoe is throwing his 30th TD if Dayne is getting 5 carries a game or selling insurance in Omaha.

 

[PennState-JD]

last year I started the Bell / Anderson combo together for much of the season and it worked well. We start 2RBs and a flex so Bell essentially became the flex.

If you figure that combined they should account for 20-30 points, it wasn't bad production and if one blew up and the other didn't, I was still covered. It was similar to starting Priest and LJ while Priest was healthy.

 

[P Boy]

That & the dramatic drop in his ypc production from his first 10 carries to carries 11+ in a game are starting to scream CoP RB as a permanent situation for Bell for his career.  Both of those factors imply signiifcant limitations on Bell in order to keep him active & effective.

Just out of curiosity, what was Bell's ypc on carries 1-10 vs. 11+ ??

I'm glad you asked.Career:

Carries 1-10 188 carries for 1088 yds 5.79 ypc

Carries 11-20 60 carries for 229 yds 3.82 ypc

2005:

Carries 1-10 128 carries for 789 yds 6.16 ypc

Carries 11-20 45 carries for 132 yds 2.93 ypc

2004 splits

2005 splits

 

[mbuehner]

Carries 1-10 188 carries for 1088 yds 5.79 ypcCarries 11-20 60 carries for 229 yds 3.82 ypc2005:Carries 1-10 128 carries for 789 yds 6.16 ypcCarries 11-20 45 carries for 132 yds 2.93 ypc

That has to be worrisome for Bell owners considering the power of this offense.