Broncos and Peyton Manning's Salary (1 Viewer)

[NE_REVIVAL]

Manning says he wants to play in 2015 and the Broncos want him; so that prompts some questions.

1. Do the Broncos "really" want him to play for them? (I think that is a yes)

2. Do the Broncos want him to take a pay cut? (I think that is a yes)

3. Is Manning willing to play for less?

My guess is no, he is not willing to play for significantly less even though he probably should.

Will he or won't he?

Thoughts?

 

[Hankmoody]

Does this really need its own thread? This is being discussed verbatim in the other Manning thread.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

The retirement thread?

I don't think he is going to retire, nor should he.

From the he probably should take less article.

"I understand my suggestion may seem extreme for a player who is typically one of the highest-paid. But it's by virtue of his being the longtime highest compensated that he's able to now go aggressively towards a championship as an under-compensated player. By all indications, Peyton Manning has been a great leader to his teammates throughout his career. The decision to play for modest compensation and load the team up from the savings would be the most leader-y thing he has ever done. And the guys he plays with will love that message, rallying around him and a roster that's guaranteed to be better for it.

But if Manning plays in 2015 for what he's slated to earn at this point, he will have led his team into a dead end before the trip has even begun."

I don't think "the question" to ask is if he should retire, the question(s) is should he stay with the Broncos and should he be willing to take less?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Does this really need its own thread? This is being discussed verbatim in the other Manning thread.

Pretty clearly a lame attempt by a NE fan to try and get exposure for an article that casts Brady in a good light and criticizes Manning.

Every question that's been brought up here was already answered in the other Peyton thread. This guy needs to stop pretending like he's searching for answers.

 

[squistion]

Does this really need its own thread? This is being discussed verbatim in the other Manning thread.

Pretty clearly a lame attempt by a NE fan to try and get exposure for an article that casts Brady in a good light and criticizes Manning.

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner.

 

[Mingooch]

Seemed to work well for Brady

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Seemed to work well for Brady

Contrary to popular belief (largely thanks to some pretty shoddy and incomplete reporting) Brady didn't actually take a pay cut. In fact, he actually got a pay raise ($3m extra) but the deal was just restructured into a way that would free up more cap space. Like most other things, the Patriots organization found a way to do things better than everyone else.

He did give up the guarantee in his contract, but I'm assuming the Patriots stipulated that by assuring him they wouldn't cut him.

Basically, prior to the re-structure Brady was due to make $24m through 2017, guaranteed even if he was injured or cut. After the re-structure Brady is now due to make $27m through 2017, but if he gets cut that money is not guaranteed (if he gets injured it is still guaranteed). For some reason, this freed up $24m against the cap. Why, I don't know, but it's something the Patriots figured out and made work.

 

[Mingooch]

I was not referring to Brady's recent restructure. I meant the one before that, his extension. The one that dropped his pay into the 10-12 mil a year range, therefore allowing his team to get the players on D that gave him his shot to win the SB.

 

[towney]

Debated to post this but really dude, next time combine it to the already Manning thread.

 

[Anarchy99]

Seemed to work well for Brady

Contrary to popular belief (largely thanks to some pretty shoddy and incomplete reporting) Brady didn't actually take a pay cut. In fact, he actually got a pay raise ($3m extra) but the deal was just restructured into a way that would free up more cap space. Like most other things, the Patriots organization found a way to do things better than everyone else.

He did give up the guarantee in his contract, but I'm assuming the Patriots stipulated that by assuring him they wouldn't cut him.

Basically, prior to the re-structure Brady was due to make $24m through 2017, guaranteed even if he was injured or cut. After the re-structure Brady is now due to make $27m through 2017, but if he gets cut that money is not guaranteed (if he gets injured it is still guaranteed). For some reason, this freed up $24m against the cap. Why, I don't know, but it's something the Patriots figured out and made work.

Brady restructuring does not free up $24 million against the cap. NFL rules require guaranteed money to be held in an escrow account. By converting to an injury only guaranteed contract, NE can now take the $24 million they were holding for Brady and use the actual cash to help sign other players. As far as the cap goes, it will actually cost the Pats an extra million against the cap this year (and the next two years as well). It also lets the Pats cut Brady and not have to eat a gigantic cap hit for having to account for the guaranteed money.

 

[Freelove]

Peyton's in a position where he could do this, but in practice, I don't think any athlete ever does. I guess Mark McGwire is probably the closest in my lifetime.

Google searches for things like "athletes who took less to chase titles" return only gibberish. It just doesn't happen. And in a sport with a brief career and major, constant threat if debilitating injury, it probably shouldn't. I won't fault Peyton either way, as long as he doesn't demand top dollar, and then go on a media blitz declaring that he's coming back one more time for the sole purpose of getting a ring. That level of hypocrisy would be a little much to swallow, but no reason to hang him for it before it comes.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

As I said, the question isn't should he retire, the question is should he be asked to play for less and will he agree to do it?

PFT Headline from today:

Talk increases that Peyton Manning should take a pay cut

Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning was second in the NFL with 39 touchdown passes last season, fourth in the NFL with 4,727 passing yards last season and fourth in the NFL with a 101.5 passer rating last season. Those don’t sound like the numbers of a player who needs to take a pay cut.

But there’s increasing talk that that’s exactly what Manning should do. Plenty of people have floated it as a possibility, and a Denver Post column gets right to the point with the headline, “Peyton Manning should take a pay cut.”

Manning’s $19 million base salary for 2015 becomes fully guaranteed if he’s still on the roster on March 9, and it wouldn’t be surprising if the Broncos are urging Manning to consider re-doing his deal so that he’s a little more affordable.

It also wouldn’t be a bad idea for Manning. After all, this is a man who has already made hundreds of millions of dollars in salary and endorsements in his life. How much more money does he really need? And if taking a pay cut makes it easier for the Broncos to keep free agent receiver Demaryius Thomas and free agent tight end Julius Thomas, isn’t that worth it for him? At this point in his life, Manning would surely trade $10 million for another Super Bowl ring. If reducing his salary to $9 million helps the Broncos win a Super Bowl, that might be a deal Manning is willing to make.

At the same time, it’s hard to go to a veteran who has accomplished everything Manning has accomplished and ask him to take less money than he’s contractually owed. It’s a delicate dance for the Broncos if they’re going to try to bring Manning back for less money.

The ball is now in the Broncos’ court, and John Elway seems to want Manning back with the Broncos. The question is whether Elway wants Manning back for less than $19 million, and whether Manning is prepared to take less than $19 million.

Denver Post Headline yesterday:

Kickin' it with Kiz: Peyton Manning should take a pay cutKiz: That Manning wants to play football in 2015 isn't the real question. The issue is how often he will play like a $19 million quarterback. Of course the Broncos want him back, but wouldn't it be wise for Elway to ask Manning to play at a discounted price? Get inside the numbers and a smart football man would conclude it's unlikely Manning can consistently play at an elite level. A pay cut of $5 million or so could help shore up a shaky offensive line, which might be money well spent by a 39-year-old quarterback.