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BRONCOS > Exploring Extension w/ Brandon Marshall (1 Viewer)
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massraider
Footballguy
Craziness.
Devil in the Detail
Footballguy
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4459220
"Despite their stormy relationship, the Denver Broncos are now exploring the possibility of giving a contract extension to wide receiver Brandon Marshall, two league sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter on Wednesday.
The potential new deal would put Marshall's salary more in line with some of the game's other highly-paid receivers.
Due to the fact he has been unable to get a long-term deal, Marshall has been clinging to the hopes that Denver would deal him. But now, in a new approach, the deal Denver might make is not for Marshall, but rather with Marshall.
The fact that they are even talking is an encouraging sign, sources said, and there is some optimism that a deal could be struck that could keep Marshall in Denver long term."
"Despite their stormy relationship, the Denver Broncos are now exploring the possibility of giving a contract extension to wide receiver Brandon Marshall, two league sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter on Wednesday.
The potential new deal would put Marshall's salary more in line with some of the game's other highly-paid receivers.
Due to the fact he has been unable to get a long-term deal, Marshall has been clinging to the hopes that Denver would deal him. But now, in a new approach, the deal Denver might make is not for Marshall, but rather with Marshall.
The fact that they are even talking is an encouraging sign, sources said, and there is some optimism that a deal could be struck that could keep Marshall in Denver long term."
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
My bad on the other thread, your computer must load faster then mine, lol!
Marshall is a sure start this week, if they sign him before Sunday....He will have to live up to the hype......
If he don't he will try to prove why they should sign him to big money (like he hasnt already)
Plus this shows he is still top priority in there offense....sorry all you Royal hopefuls!
Marshall is a sure start this week, if they sign him before Sunday....He will have to live up to the hype......
If he don't he will try to prove why they should sign him to big money (like he hasnt already)
Plus this shows he is still top priority in there offense....sorry all you Royal hopefuls!
G-Money
Footballguy
This whole deal has been about MONEY from day 1. Marshall is in the last year of his rookie deal (paying him a couple million this season, which is peanuts based on his past production). Denver was not willing to renegotiate (based on Marshall's off the field issues.........don't want to commit a ton of $$$ to a guy a breath away from suspension). That's been the whole sticking point this entire off season between the two parties. Add in Cutlers departure (based on his wishes to be dealt after "Cassel-Gate") and you get Marshall playing his best jackazz routine to get the same ride outta town............to a new team who will sign him to a long term deal ($$$$$$$).
Sinrman
Footballguy
Yeah, it's silly to think that this is some big shocker. What would you have the Broncos do? Put their foot down and risk having Marshall boycott this season or fake an injury or something? If he were to play still (likely), and receive no contract extension, he would certainly bolt and they would have put up with him for a year and gotten nothing for him in trade value.
They should have been exploring this a long time ago. Not excusing Marshall's cry-baby behavior, but it's always been about the $$.
They should have been exploring this a long time ago. Not excusing Marshall's cry-baby behavior, but it's always been about the $$.
This is great news. As far as the team goes, this will improve our squad vastly. Defenses won't be able to stack the box with 8. Most have put down the broncs but now that the last piece has been put into place we will surprise the NFL. I think we will go 8-8, 7-9 and bc of our schedule that will be a triumph. Watch out now!
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
The Broncos then need to be very careful in evaluating character in player evaluations now. Cause if they give Marshall a contract after allowing Cutler to force his way out of town...they've given anyone reason to believe the can be bullied.
MCguidance
Footballguy
I think it could help the DEN rushing situation - freeing up some options for Moreno in a few weeks.
simmonjm
Footballguy
I dont agree with this at all. The bottom line is the talent of the player is directly proportional to the amount of whining a player can do. Do you really think if Brandon Marshall got a new long term deal, Jarvis Moss would hold out for more money and start batting footballs in practice?
Banger
Footballguy
This was a must for McDaniels to have any hope of surviving with the fans. You can't trade your best players but you can give them contracts when they've earned it. Marshall is their best player and it's best for all involved to put this to bed.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Since when is renegotiating with a pro bowler in the last year of his rookie contract a show that a team can be bullied? Are you saying that if they cave to Marshall, every single pro bowler in the last year of his rookie contract is going to want an extension? How is that any different from every team in the league?
Adam Schefter was a Denver beat guy before he went national with NFL network. He was always highly connected with the Broncos organization, although I don't know how many of those contacts survived the coaching change.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
From my POV, there is a way to conduct yourself and a way not to. The way Marshall has conducted himself, not just recently, but throughout his professional career has been deplorable. Obviously his recent exploits have simply been over the top. To now open up a dialogue with regard to a contract extension is weak and allows the player to be justified in acting in such an undignified manner.Any agent worth his salt who is representing a significant Bronco will advise his client to take a disruptive course of action if their demands aren't met when they want.
moleculo
Footballguy
both sides have fault with this mess. The way the Broncos handled Marshall have been pretty deplorable too.
The apparent mis-diagnosis on his hip last year
not re-negotiating after the pro-bowl (My personal unverifiable suspicion is that Shanahan promised an extension before he was fired, and the new regime did not honor that)
Bowlen promising a trade and then never delivering
the FO asking the team to not to be too exuberant in wishing Marshall well after his trial
rumors are that the Broncos earlier did offer Marshall a new contract with zero signing bonus and 100% incentive clauses - some would consider that an insult in todays market
the whole new QB thingNote: I'm not holding Marshall blameless here; he acted in a way that pretty much required a suspension. He's lucky McD didn't just tell him to "have a good season, guy." It's good that both sides are starting the healing process...
lod01
Footballguy
Burress....
He dreams of having Marshall's talent. Marshall won't slack with a new contract. He may screw up again off the field but on it, he will dominate.
Banger
Footballguy
I fail to see to see what one has to do with the other. They are two different people.
Banger
Footballguy
I fail to see to see what one has to do with the other. They are two different people.
RudeDog
Footballguy
I guess that depends upon the contract. If its incentive laden then it might be just what Marshall needs. Kinda like a kid who gets his allowance if he does his chores.
G-Money
Footballguy
Broncos | New contract for Marshall on hold Wed Sep 9, 09:35 PM
Mike Klis, of The Denver Post, reports several NFL executives and agents say they expect the Denver Broncos to wait and see how WR Brandon Marshall performs before they engage in serious discussions regarding a contract extension. The team submitted at least one contract proposal to Marshall earlier in training camp, according to two league sources. The proposal was considered to be team-favorable and was quickly rejected. Marshall was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team since that proposal.
Mike Klis, of The Denver Post, reports several NFL executives and agents say they expect the Denver Broncos to wait and see how WR Brandon Marshall performs before they engage in serious discussions regarding a contract extension. The team submitted at least one contract proposal to Marshall earlier in training camp, according to two league sources. The proposal was considered to be team-favorable and was quickly rejected. Marshall was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team since that proposal.
I agree that Marshall has conducted himself in an embarrassing manner. It's not like that has no consequences, though. If he had been an upstanding citizen, he'd be making top-5 WR money right now. Instead, I guarantee the Broncos' offer is significantly below that.Are you suggesting that the mere act of negotiating with Marshall undermines the Broncos' position? Are you saying he should be blackballed from the NFL entirely, because any team that opens negotiations with him is saying it's okay to pout during practice? Or are you suggesting that the Broncos' interests are best served by letting Brandon Marshall walk at the end of this season without any form of compensation?I guess I just don't get what you're getting at, here. Marshall is a terrible character guy. He's also an NFL-caliber receiver. His contract is going to be lower than his talent dictates because of his character issues, but at the same time, Denver has to make an effort to get what value they can out of the Marshall situation.
The Big Guy
Fear the Blitz
The bottom line for the Broncos is that a happy Marshall is good for the team. They should have done this before the entire situation blew up on them like this, but the new Bronco way seems to be to mess with the talent on the team.
ffldrew
Footballguy
Come on people - really? Does the word suspension ring any bells here Big Guy? The beatings, police incidents,DWAI - none of that ring any bells here?So the Broncos waive a magic wand or something and he turns into a good guy and never gets a visit from the NFL office?
Really people - it isn't that hard to read up on the guy.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Less than two weeks ago, there is video footage of Marshall acting the part of a petulant brat in the middle of a practice when the rest of the Denver Broncos are working hard and diligently to prepare for the season. I do not know the contract status for everyone on that roster. I would guess though that Brandon Marshall is not the only player on that team that is entering the final year of his contract, although he may be the most high profile and talented.With that said, what do you think the other Broncos would think, whether they are in their contract year or not, of their organizations backbone if two weeks after such a ridiculous display (which was on the heels of 2+ years of questionable off field behavior), the Broncos put him on the top of the priority list to take care of all of a sudden? Some egos are bigger than others and Marshall's might be the biggest, but those guys in the locker room would take note.I get that the Broncos have made some missteps in this process too. I guess the opportunity for missteps to be made by such a young FO & HC is greater than having experienced people in those positions. But to make an effort to initiate a long term commitment to a player, no matter how productive he's been, whose shown such off-field and locker room volatility - particulalrly in such a high profile and recent manner is simply the wrong message to send to the rest of your organization.There is alot of football to be played in 2009 and the situation can be revisited come January 2010. Even then I would be uncomfortable because 4-5 months isn't really alot of time to show good behavior However, it does provide the player an opportunity to redeem and clean up his image while performing on the field. But to do this now...? As much as the sanity of this new regime has been questioned, this if I'm a Bronco would cross a line.
My view on this is that both parties know that Marshall's trade value is nil right now. The only way to get the value back is for Marshall to show it on the field, so what if his numbers are lower than years past, you don't think other GM's don't know that Orton sucks? If Marshall can put up good numbers with Orton, his value goes way up. That's what this is all about. It is in Denver's best interest to sign Marshall, so they can either keep him, or trade him once the value is good enough to justify the move. If Denver doesn't sign him, he walks as a free agent at the end of the season, and Denver get's nothing. Marshall is well aware that his trade value sucks, so it serves him pretty well to sign an extension, so he can start getting paid closer to what he is worth. He knows that his career can end on any given play, so it's in his best interset to sign. Denver is holding most of the cards on this one, if/when they sign him, it's probably still a little lower than the going rate, because of his character issues. Denver either gets a great receiver at a good price, or if he starts acting up again, they can suspend him again and not pay him for the time he is suspended. If he screws up in his personal life again and gets a league suspension, Denver doesn't pay him for the time he is suspended. Marshall's best course of action here is to sign and play hard to bolster up his trade value, I believe Denver will trade Marshall before his next contract is up, but they have to wait for the dust to settle a little so they can get something of value in return.
Childress
Footballguy
LOL it's off the field stuff I'm talking about! Talent's not the issue here (even though you're wrong about the discrepancy between the two).Sure no two people are the same, but more often than not -- once a troublemaker, always a troublemaker.Seriously, who here thinks a big huge contract is going to *improve* Marshall's attitude/judgement/commitment/professionalism etc? The dude's very likely going to be a ticking timebomb his whole career.Rewarding this latest behavior with a fat new deal is a recipe for disaster, *unless* it makes it easier for the Broncos to trade him ASAP.Burress....He dreams of having Marshall's talent. Marshall won't slack with a new contract. He may screw up again off the field but on it, he will dominate.
baconisgood
Footballguy
You should just quit now. Marshall was going to get a new contract from somebody in the offseason, and the Broncos had already made overtures about a new contract for Marshall this past year. Marshall hasn't gained anything with his behavior- hes lost 2 grand and will probably end up accepting a lesser offer (either less than the Broncos would have given him or he accepts a past offer because he can't be sure he will get what he wants in FA anymore). Marshall hasn't gained jack.
Again, it's not like Marshall is skating away free and clear with no consequences for his display. He's arguably a top-5 NFL talent at WR, and he will not be paid anywhere near that level. That is the consequence of his actions.I mean, if the Broncos signed Marshall to a 4 year veteran minimum extension with a $2 million roster bonus next year awarded for good behavior (total contract = $4 million for 4 years), would you think that sends a message to the rest of the team that they can do whatever they want without consequences? Obviously in that example there will have been DRAMATIC consequences for Marshall's actions. If you agree, then you agree with my basic premise that there's nothing wrong with negotiating, provided there are monetary consequences for Marshall's actions. How severe those consequences have to be is open to discussion, but there is no way that simply entering negotiations with a guy in the last year of his contract (which is standard operating procedure for every front office dealing with every player in the entire league) can be viewed as rewarding his actions, or denying the possibility of consequences.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
Is the entire Bronco front office Bi-Polar? Anyway...
I'd imagine, unless its prohibited by the CBA, that any contract extension Marshall signs will have language that covers the team from him throwing any more future tantrums limiting his compensation potential (over and above the standard "conduct detrimental to the team" clause).
I'd imagine, unless its prohibited by the CBA, that any contract extension Marshall signs will have language that covers the team from him throwing any more future tantrums limiting his compensation potential (over and above the standard "conduct detrimental to the team" clause).
