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FBG says Sell High. This was printed in a recent Denver Post Q&A, so it is public information. Emphasis added.

Cecil Lammey: The time to trade Kyle Orton is now. He may have a few good games coming off the bye week, but if the Broncos don't start winning games he could be replaced by the time the fantasy playoffs roll around. His trade value has certainly taken a hit over the last two weeks, but most fantasy owners picked him up off waivers. You're getting value in return for a player you basically picked up for free. If the season is lost, the Broncos could turn to rookie Tim Tebow in week 15 or week 16 to give him some valuable experience.

Read more: Fantasy Spotlight: The time to trade Orton is now - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_165344...p#ixzz14hfDgRmO

FBG has also recommended selling high on WR Brandon Lloyd.

Consider:

- Orton and Lloyd are the least of Denver's problems. Both are on track for potential Pro Bowl seasons despite all their haters and non-believers.

- Denver's remaining season sets up well to continue strong production (done w/ BAL, NYJ, HOU in Wk 16). Even if the running game returns, I would suggest while it may decrease passing yards somewhat, it could very easily help with TD's.

- McDaniels has not even had the faith to allow Tebow to attempt a single pass all year. While McDaniels *could* do anything, is he really that wed to TEbow that he would replace a QB who is having a Marino-esque season?

With trade deadlines rapidly approaching, trading Lloyd and Orton seems like an extremely bold recommendation to act upon with almost zero evidence to support it. Besides, from what I've seen none of the Denver players have marquis names / reputations to derive full value vis-a-vis their performance anyway.

However, the recommender is a obviously a very respected source and Denver insider. Please discuss.

 
I've seen a lot of speculation saying that Tebow will be inserted, but no solid info. I just don't see it happening this year, and I think Orton will still be their starter next season too.

 
LittlePhatty said:
I've seen a lot of speculation saying that Tebow will be inserted, but no solid info. I just don't see it happening this year, and I think Orton will still be their starter next season too.
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Has Tebow been used at all as a passer yet? I know he's come in and run some sneaks... but I don't see any reason McDaniel's is going to put Tebow in there, even if they are losing. Orton's on the team at least another year, McDaniels's has experience letting a guy hold a clipboard for a long time before ever going in, and even when the PAts were blowing out teams they don't take their starter off the field. I just don't see them inserting Tebow barring Orton totally collapsing.
 
switz said:
LittlePhatty said:
I've seen a lot of speculation saying that Tebow will be inserted, but no solid info. I just don't see it happening this year, and I think Orton will still be their starter next season too.
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Has Tebow been used at all as a passer yet? I know he's come in and run some sneaks... but I don't see any reason McDaniel's is going to put Tebow in there, even if they are losing. Orton's on the team at least another year, McDaniels's has experience letting a guy hold a clipboard for a long time before ever going in, and even when the PAts were blowing out teams they don't take their starter off the field. I just don't see them inserting Tebow barring Orton totally collapsing.
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I agree. I'd estimate there's a less than 10% chance Tebow starts a game this year when Orton is healthy. Orton would need to implode Akili Smith-style.
 
All that said, there are situations when trading productive guys makes sense. Not that anyone cares, but: after Kenny Britt's injury, I needed to obtain a legit starting FFB WR, and the WW was bare. I had Orton backing up Manning ... Manning's bye is done. Moving Orton for Greg Jennings was a no-brainer for me.

 
I could see Tebow getting a start or two at the end of the season.

That being said I think Orton's perceived value is still very low and you wont get good value for him

 
Doug B said:
All that said, there are situations when trading productive guys makes sense. Not that anyone cares, but: after Kenny Britt's injury, I needed to obtain a legit starting FFB WR, and the WW was bare. I had Orton backing up Manning ... Manning's bye is done. Moving Orton for Greg Jennings was a no-brainer for me.
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That's different than Lammey's advice though. He's saying you need to bail now before you're potentially stuck holding a QB with ZERO value. I'd say that's not good advice given that Orton's been one of the few solid players for the Broncos this year and Tebow is yet to attempt a pass.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
That being said I think Orton's perceived value is still very low and you wont get good value for him
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You have a point. The guy in our league that was starting Tony Romo was reduced to Kitna and Chad Henne. He was the one who eventually took Orton off my hands, but he thought the initial offer of Orton + Gaffney for Henne + Greg Jennings was not a good enough deal in his favor (his other WRs are Andre Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, and Terrell Owens). I ended up having to take Kitna to get the deal done.
 
FantasyTrader said:
Doug B said:
All that said, there are situations when trading productive guys makes sense. Not that anyone cares, but: after Kenny Britt's injury, I needed to obtain a legit starting FFB WR, and the WW was bare. I had Orton backing up Manning ... Manning's bye is done. Moving Orton for Greg Jennings was a no-brainer for me.
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That's different than Lammey's advice though. He's saying you need to bail now before you're potentially stuck holding a QB with ZERO value. I'd say that's not good advice given that Orton's been one of the few solid players for the Broncos this year and Tebow is yet to attempt a pass.
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Yes. This is a very concise summary of what I tried to lay out initially. Not just ORton but Lloyd too. Seems very bold and unsubstatiated advice when both of these guys could maybe even be bought reasonably right now (since many are still massively skeptical) and be huge contributors down the stretch.
 
Sure, FBG has lots of contributing writers so naturally opinions will vary among them. There is no right or wrong answer here yet because we're all trying to predict the future. But if you're interested in Lloyd, the Waldman article offers a lot to possibly explain his "breakout" this year and he also seems to think he is here to stay and not just a flash in the pan. Only time will tell. I think Lloyd will produce as long as Orton is starting. And I don't think Tebow will get a shot until 2012, or maybe late 2011 at the earliest.

 
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The problem w/ thinking Tebow won't get any starts is that logic is being applied. McDaniels has already done some nonsensical things...assuming logic on his part is a mistake, IMO. Does it make "sense" to start Tebow? Maybe not, but will I just assume McD wouldn't pull that trigger? Nope.

 
Tebow doesnt necessarily have to start the game to kill you. If he starts getting a lot of the garbage time snaps late in the season, you could be really left out to dry in your most important games. Orton's fantasy value has depend on that quite a bit so far. His receivers would take a hit in that case as well.

 
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Sell High

Tim Tebow lurks deep down the stretch as Denver falls from the playoff race. Tim Tebow will wreck the value of the Wr's, just like Calvin Johnson will be wrecked when Stanton plays and like Miles Austin is wrecked with Jon Kitna.

It's very simple, just sell high.

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Tim Tebow lurks deep down the stretch as Denver falls from the playoff race.It's very simple, just sell high.
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You're just saying the same thing other people have said, without any evidence. Seriously, what have you seen from Tebow to make you think he will be allowed to even attempt one single pass in a game this year?
 
LittlePhatty said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Tim Tebow lurks deep down the stretch as Denver falls from the playoff race.It's very simple, just sell high.
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You're just saying the same thing other people have said, without any evidence. Seriously, what have you seen from Tebow to make you think he will be allowed to even attempt one single pass in a game this year?
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I don't have a time machine, I can't give you evidence that he'll play in the future. All you can do is go on history. History says when you draft someone No. 1 and give up what Denver gave up to get this guy, they are going to want to give him playing time.How do you draft a guy No. 1 and trade way up to get him and then not give up the keys when the season is all but over to give him time? Even if it's at halftime of games down the stretch, whatever. I don't need evidence, I've watched football forever and that's the way it is. If it doesn't go down like this, then it would be completely against the norm. It shouldn't be us having to provide evidence because it's more likely that Tebow will finish out the year than the other way around. So hope Orton goes off this week and trade him.
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
How do you draft a guy No. 1 and trade way up to get him and then not give up the keys when the season is all but over to give him time?
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I think Tebow was a special case. They grabbed him to sell jerseys and run a wildcat play here and there - and to be groomed as a future starter.Orton was handed a contract extension during pre-season to be there through 2011.

Tebow is a very hard worker, that's for sure. I think he'll get there, but not this year and probably not next year either.

 
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LittlePhatty said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
How do you draft a guy No. 1 and trade way up to get him and then not give up the keys when the season is all but over to give him time?
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I think Tebow was a special case. They grabbed him to sell jerseys and run a wildcat play here and there - and to be groomed as a future starter.Orton was handed a contract extension during pre-season to be there through 2011.

Tebow is a very hard worker, that's for sure. I think he'll get there, but not this year and probably not next year either.
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Maybe you're right, it's all speculation. I just think they'll try to see what Tebow has at the end of the season, but if they don't Denver's schedule is favorable so Denver could be in for some decent numbers.
 
I call most of this nonsense. Sure they drafted Tebow but they also gave Orton a new contract and he is now one of the best QB's in the league. 20 of the teams out there right now would love to have the guy as there starter. Bears probally wish he was there starter. I could see a oportunity to use Tebow late in a game they are either blowing out an opponent ( ala the Giants seahawks game) or if the Broncos are getting blown out . but otherwise nah.

I will add that Im waiting to see the injury report this week. Last game Orton took a shot to the shoulder like stafford and I read (below) he might have had trouble playing this week if they had a game. Hope thats nothing.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16525955

When the Broncos return from their bye week, the condition of Kyle Orton's right shoulder will be of some concern.

After taking a huge, third-quarter hit from 49ers linebacker Manny Lawson in London, it's unlikely Orton would have been able to function anywhere near 100 percent if the Broncos had to play this weekend.

 
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I don't think the danger lies in Tebow starting games down the stretch as much as it is Tebow coming in inside the five and running the wildcat to vulture a few scores from Orton.

I still think Orton will be fine, but he'll take a slight hit. It's really too bad because he's been pretty good this year and has done everything they've asked of him. He should still rack up passing yards and he won't stop suddenly throwing TDs... I just think he really won't throw very many more short TDs... and this might be the difference between merely a good QB and one that was borderline elite for much of this fantasy season.

 
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I see Tebow as more a threat to Morenos fantasy value. Run plays happen on the GL with every QB. just the Broncos use Tebow instead of Moreno. If it wasnt Tebow running it in it would be Moreno. No difference. really has little reason to devalue Ortons numbers. most of tebows running plays would have gone to Moreno . He hurts Moreno.

 
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Theres no chance Tebow takes over for Orton this year. The Broncos gave Orton a contract extension in the offseason and hes done nothing but play up to his side of the deal.

 
So let me get this right...

If Den has nothing to play for, they will bench their 28 year old starting QB who is on pace for 5000 yards and 24TD's. For a QB who would not get a consensus vote amongst GM's as to what position he should even play?

I would also bring him in (assuming he is ready) and use him a bit more than what Vick saw last year in PHI.

 
Tebow was their late first round draft pick, but it's just not logical to take their starting QB who is on pace for 5,000+ yards and over 20 TD's out for a QB who doesn't look to be anywhere near starting NFL caliber yet. Sure, he has had some good interviews and likes giving to charities and starving kids in Africa, but that doesn't mean he's ready for the NFL. Orton is still young, and has been playing well.

I'm was looking to trade him as he was drafted as my back up to Flacco, but they set up nicely for a QBBC during the play offs - Orton against Houston week 16.

Because of people being worried about Tebow coming in, Orton's trade value is next to nothing, so its almost better off holding onto him in hopes he remains the starter and can take advantage of the nice match ups during the fantasy playoffs.

 
The consensus that seems to be brewing from several well-reasoned posts is that a Tebow takeover scenario flies in the face of logic.

But what continues to puzzle me is that the sources of Orton / Lloyd Sell High recommendation are Messrs. Bloom and Lammey, the latter of which follows the Broncos closely from what I understand.

Any there is access to some Broncos insider info or do people believe this is staffers' gut call? People are right on wrong on these predictions all the time but usually there is rationale on both sides of the argument and I'm not getting that sense here at all.

 
PhantomJB said:
The consensus that seems to be brewing from several well-reasoned posts is that a Tebow takeover scenario flies in the face of logic.

But what continues to puzzle me is that the sources of Orton / Lloyd Sell High recommendation are Messrs. Bloom and Lammey, the latter of which follows the Broncos closely from what I understand.

Any there is access to some Broncos insider info or do people believe this is staffers' gut call? People are right on wrong on these predictions all the time but usually there is rationale on both sides of the argument and I'm not getting that sense here at all.
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Thanks for this discussion here on my latest Denver Post column. I live in Denver, write for the Denver Post, write for and host the Audible for Footballguys, and am the NFL Insider for Front Range Sports Network (87.7 The Ticket).

Yes, replacing Orton does seem to be unlikely but let's look deeper. We discussed this today on our Fantasy Playoff Preview today on The Audible....

Orton has thrown 5 game ending interceptions. He's putting up great fantasy numbers (most weeks) but is not winning games. Simply put, McDaniels may replace Orton towards the end of the year if the Broncos don't start winning games.

Looking ahead to the rest of their schedule and I see one game that is an automatic win in my eyes and that's @Arizona in week 14. If Denver finishes the season with a 3-13 or 4-12 record (and they are trending that way), do you really believe they will roll the same product on the field every week?

Once they feel the season is lost they could start thinking about next year. Yes, Orton did get the extension and will be with the team in 2011 but everyone knows that Tim Tebow is the future. McDaniels hasn't trusted Tebow enough to throw a pass yet this year, but could plug in the rookie to show the fanbase (and more importantly Broncos owner Pat Bowlen) what the future holds.

Orton is not clutch. When a team gets a 10 point lead against Denver the Broncos can't come back and win. Orton presses and too often tries to do too much. He'll force a ball into coverage (which gets picked) or he scramble and hold the ball out like a loaf of bread, which usually gets stripped and recovered by the other team. How many weeks will the head coach make excuses for a starting quarterback who gives the game away when it's on the line? Where is the tipping point where they feel the season is lost? They have two home games to finish the season and if they're not winning then attendance (gameday no shows) could slip. Plug in Tebow and get the fans excited about the future. Denver fans are not used to being this bad, but they need to realize that Denver is not a quality football team right now.

As I said in the Denver Post, most people added Orton as a waiver wire quarterback. The truth is that you can't trust him in the fantasy playoffs at this point. If Denver goes on a winning streak then of course he'll stay in. However, the last two weeks it looks like the Broncos have given up on themselves and the season. If that trend continues then a change will happen.

Coach McDaniels is safe as the head coach, even if they finish 4-12, so who's the next in line to get replaced?? The quarterback.

 
Cecil Lammey said:
Coach McDaniels is safe as the head coach, even if they finish 4-12, so who's the next in line to get replaced?? The quarterback.
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I thought I heard on Mike and Mike this morning that his job is not safe even though he's been there only a short time. If thats the case, unless you think Tebow gives Denver a better chance to win, I doubt he will jeopordize his job by starting Tebow.And if you are correct, what other lower-end QB2s or WW QBs would you recommend picking up via trade or stright out drop of Orton? Young? Henne? Freeman? Hill? Would you trust any of these to be your FF starter during the playoffs? I doubt you can get much more for Orton even though he's been playing well.

 
3nOut said:
Cecil Lammey said:
Coach McDaniels is safe as the head coach, even if they finish 4-12, so who's the next in line to get replaced?? The quarterback.
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I thought I heard on Mike and Mike this morning that his job is not safe even though he's been there only a short time. If thats the case, unless you think Tebow gives Denver a better chance to win, I doubt he will jeopordize his job by starting Tebow.And if you are correct, what other lower-end QB2s or WW QBs would you recommend picking up via trade or stright out drop of Orton? Young? Henne? Freeman? Hill? Would you trust any of these to be your FF starter during the playoffs? I doubt you can get much more for Orton even though he's been playing well.
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Adam Schefter said McDaniels is safe THROUGH 2011, so I'll take his word. Anything can happen, but the Broncos are still paying Mike Shanahan until the end of next year. I don't think Pat Bowlen would like to have 3 coaches on the books (with 2 being somewhere else/gone).

I would trust any of the guys you mentioned, especially Young/Hill, more than Orton.

Again, maybe Denver starts playing better and Orton stops throwing game killing interceptions but they don't seem to be trending that way.

 
Cecil Lammey said:
PhantomJB said:
The consensus that seems to be brewing from several well-reasoned posts is that a Tebow takeover scenario flies in the face of logic.

But what continues to puzzle me is that the sources of Orton / Lloyd Sell High recommendation are Messrs. Bloom and Lammey, the latter of which follows the Broncos closely from what I understand.

Any there is access to some Broncos insider info or do people believe this is staffers' gut call? People are right on wrong on these predictions all the time but usually there is rationale on both sides of the argument and I'm not getting that sense here at all.
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Thanks for this discussion here on my latest Denver Post column. I live in Denver, write for the Denver Post, write for and host the Audible for Footballguys, and am the NFL Insider for Front Range Sports Network (87.7 The Ticket).

Yes, replacing Orton does seem to be unlikely but let's look deeper. We discussed this today on our Fantasy Playoff Preview today on The Audible....

Orton has thrown 5 game ending interceptions. He's putting up great fantasy numbers (most weeks) but is not winning games. Simply put, McDaniels may replace Orton towards the end of the year if the Broncos don't start winning games.

Looking ahead to the rest of their schedule and I see one game that is an automatic win in my eyes and that's @Arizona in week 14. If Denver finishes the season with a 3-13 or 4-12 record (and they are trending that way), do you really believe they will roll the same product on the field every week?

Once they feel the season is lost they could start thinking about next year. Yes, Orton did get the extension and will be with the team in 2011 but everyone knows that Tim Tebow is the future. McDaniels hasn't trusted Tebow enough to throw a pass yet this year, but could plug in the rookie to show the fanbase (and more importantly Broncos owner Pat Bowlen) what the future holds.

Orton is not clutch. When a team gets a 10 point lead against Denver the Broncos can't come back and win. Orton presses and too often tries to do too much. He'll force a ball into coverage (which gets picked) or he scramble and hold the ball out like a loaf of bread, which usually gets stripped and recovered by the other team. How many weeks will the head coach make excuses for a starting quarterback who gives the game away when it's on the line? Where is the tipping point where they feel the season is lost? They have two home games to finish the season and if they're not winning then attendance (gameday no shows) could slip. Plug in Tebow and get the fans excited about the future. Denver fans are not used to being this bad, but they need to realize that Denver is not a quality football team right now.

As I said in the Denver Post, most people added Orton as a waiver wire quarterback. The truth is that you can't trust him in the fantasy playoffs at this point. If Denver goes on a winning streak then of course he'll stay in. However, the last two weeks it looks like the Broncos have given up on themselves and the season. If that trend continues then a change will happen.

Coach McDaniels is safe as the head coach, even if they finish 4-12, so who's the next in line to get replaced?? The quarterback.
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While credibility in a locker room of a bunch of players about to go 4-12 may not be a precious resource, is the only reason to sit Orton to play Tebow? I would think that such a move would cost McDaniels quite a bit of whatever he has left.IMO, I look at a move like Hillis-for-Quinn and I would think the reaction of Broncos fans and observers is WTF? Especially considering the state of the Broncos running game today and for the year for that matter. Remember, DEN brought in Lendale White to get tough yards...a job Hillis seems quite adept at among others.

In addition, a risky move in trading a future first rounder for Alphonso Smith has backfired twice. Once because he busted with the Broncos and then again because after trading Smith, he's now shown significant signs of life with the Lions.

While McDaniels seemingly has worked the draft process well, he's done a horrible job of player evaluation. NOw as a DEN local, I'm sure these are points you don't disagree with.

But to replace a QB in Orton who has really been THE bright spot for the Broncos amidst a dark period since that 6-0 start last season with Tebow, who admittedly has cache and curb appeal...I wonder if he loses not only the locker room, but Orton himself? Has Orton thrown 5 game ending INT's? Yes...but when you say he tries to do too much? What other option does he have? This is a team that can't run or stop the run.

Orton is 28...he could conceivable play at a high level for quite some time. The Broncos traded for Tebow with the thought in mind that they did not have a QB central building block...but after this year, perhaps that thinking has changed. The only other case I can think of that is like this was the Brees/Rivers situation in SD 6 years ago. You could argue it's worked out well for Brees and Rivers, not to mention the Chargers and Saints. But Rivers was a #4 overall pick...Tebow simply doesn't represent the same level of investment.

Perhaps I'm biased because I do have Orton...but I've always thought he was underrated and even thought when he got dealt to DEN for Cutler that DEN got the better end of it. For whatever reason, Orton seems to be one of the least appreciated players in the NFL but all he does is get better and produce. He exhibits toughness in playing through injuries (I couldn't believe he came back from that Manny Lawson hit).

I have to think that given the year he is having and the fact that he is the most productive aspect of the Broncos offense, and with the questionable decisions McDaniels has made so far in his short tenure that he would not invite additional second guessing by potentially alienating a player who IMO has shown himself to be a franchise QB. JMO.

 
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Thanks very much to the FBG staff for weighing in on this debate both in the thread and on the Audible.

Here's a couple of additional recent news opinions on the topic, both of which seem to support the "Tebow is not ready" camp...not saying at all these are definitive but just additional opinions.

Excerpt from Denver Post's Mike Klis...

"If the Broncos lose to Kansas City, then this season is officially doomed and it will be time to start giving increased playing time to younger players. I still wouldn't start Tebow, though, until the final game or two. Why? Because the Broncos' quarterback of the future is their quarterback of the present: Kyle Orton.

It's not like the Broncos have to get Tebow ready for next year. When the team gave Orton a one-year, $8.8 million extension with a $5.5 million guarantee in August, he received virtual assurance he would be the Broncos' quarterback in 2011."

http://www.denverpost.com/broncosmailbag/ci_16555945

Excerpt from ProFootball Weekly...

"A source close to the team said the Broncos are more than pleased with what QB Kyle Orton has accomplished this season, and Denver doesn't want to send the wrong signal by replacing their starter."

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/11/0...lay-tebow-at-qb

 
Looks like the Broncos implosion is becoming a reality and the chants for Tebow are becoming louder and more numerous.

Link 1: Denver Post poll (mid-right of page) showing 65% of fans believe now is the time to start Tebow

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos?source=n...questid=4187196

Link 2: Denver Post article also clamoring for Tebow

http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_16786425

This week's game is against AZ, which normally would be a nice matchup for Orton, Lloyd, Gaffney & Co.

Does anyone believe McDaniels would do the unthinkable and play Orton / Tebow in a QBBC in a game who's outcome is not already decided?

 
There have been lots of people clamoring for Tebow since the Oakland debacle, including many in the media. So those numbers aren't surprising.

I don't believe McDaniels makes the switch to Tebow for a couple reasons. I think he knows that Tebow is not currently ready to play a complete game and that Orton gives the Broncos the best chance to win remaining games. Also, if he does start Tebow and Tebow looks horrible it will give Bowlen very little belief that Tebow is the future. If McDaniels doesn't play Tebow any more then he has in past games, then there still is the illusion that Tebow can/will be the QB of the future and that McDaniels is the coach that can make Tebow a starter in the NFL.

 
Playing Tebow now would only expose the kid for how much of a project he is.

I mean, it would not shock me if they went with him week 16 or 17...but I think it would be a horrible move.

 
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There have been lots of people clamoring for Tebow since the Oakland debacle, including many in the media. So those numbers aren't surprising.

I don't believe McDaniels makes the switch to Tebow for a couple reasons. I think he knows that Tebow is not currently ready to play a complete game and that Orton gives the Broncos the best chance to win remaining games. Also, if he does start Tebow and Tebow looks horrible it will give Bowlen very little belief that Tebow is the future. If McDaniels doesn't play Tebow any more then he has in past games, then there still is the illusion that Tebow can/will be the QB of the future and that McDaniels is the coach that can make Tebow a starter in the NFL.
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:banned: It is better for McDaniels to keep Tebow under wraps and let everyone assume he is a terrible coach, then to let his highly-drafted QB take over and PROVE he is a terrible coach.

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Honestly, bad analogy aside, it makes sense for McDaniels to either let Orton go out and salvage a few games, or lose them - it really makes no difference. If under Orton, the Broncos keep loosing, it gives McD all the more reason to turn to Tebow in the future. If they win a few - a better record for McD to hang his hat on.

 
I guess another option might be increased use of a Miami-type Wildcat offense being run for situations other than goal line. That seems to be McD's comfort zone of Tebow's usage at the moment. It would also likely be rolled out as a surprise similar to Tebow's initial appearance.

 
DoubleG said:
bro1ncos said:
There have been lots of people clamoring for Tebow since the Oakland debacle, including many in the media. So those numbers aren't surprising.

I don't believe McDaniels makes the switch to Tebow for a couple reasons. I think he knows that Tebow is not currently ready to play a complete game and that Orton gives the Broncos the best chance to win remaining games. Also, if he does start Tebow and Tebow looks horrible it will give Bowlen very little belief that Tebow is the future. If McDaniels doesn't play Tebow any more then he has in past games, then there still is the illusion that Tebow can/will be the QB of the future and that McDaniels is the coach that can make Tebow a starter in the NFL.
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:loco: It is better for McDaniels to keep Tebow under wraps and let everyone assume he is a terrible coach, then to let his highly-drafted QB take over and PROVE he is a terrible coach.
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Oops. I guess Bowlen figured it out.
 
PhantomJB said:
Denver Post poll (mid-right of page) showing 65% of fans believe now is the time to start Tebow
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I'm sure there's also a study somewhere that shows 90% of NFL fans have no effing clue about how to run a team.How is Orton the problem? 4th in passing yards 11th in TDsOnly 6 INTs (28 QBs have more INTs than him)I'll trade you Vince Young for him!
 
LittlePhatty said:
PhantomJB said:
Denver Post poll (mid-right of page) showing 65% of fans believe now is the time to start Tebow
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I'm sure there's also a study somewhere that shows 90% of NFL fans have no effing clue about how to run a team.How is Orton the problem? 4th in passing yards 11th in TDsOnly 6 INTs (28 QBs have more INTs than him)I'll trade you Vince Young for him!
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Ain't that the truth. Miami fans in 1993 were calling for us to trade Marino because we got Scott Mitchell.Most football fans have a brain the size of a peanut.
 
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