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[Big Score]

Montee Ball took the first team reps in practice today.

there is your answer for this week at least

I don't think you can even say for a week. Look at Ridley...once you get the fumbling rep guys will be going at the ball twice as hard on every play trying to force it out. If it hits the ground all bets are off. Also, performance will also dictate carries much more I'd imagines inch it's the battle of the backups.

from a fantasy perspective you absolutely can say thats the answer. Start Ball. Period end of story

People said the same of Ridley last week. He's certainly the best start among the RBs on the roster outside of Moreno but he has a very high risk factor and will likely be benched if he puts the ball on the floor. He's only had a total of 75 carries and has fumbled 3 times which is once for every 25 carries. Not a great ratio.He's a boom-bust high risk start IMO. If you have a good stable lineup he would be a great home run hitter but if yo need every point and are scraping a lineup together I might look for a more stable alternative.

I doubt Denver would have benched Ball for his fumble last week if Moreno had been out.

Really "STAFF", is that what you would doubt?

 

[Adam Harstad]

People said the same of Ridley last week. He's certainly the best start among the RBs on the roster outside of Moreno but he has a very high risk factor and will likely be benched if he puts the ball on the floor. He's only had a total of 75 carries and has fumbled 3 times which is once for every 25 carries. Not a great ratio.

IIRC Ball has three fumbles and another botched handoff like Anderson's last week. I believe those count as fumbles for the QB, but in both these cases probably belong to the RBs.

The fumbled exchange between Manning and Ball was more on Manning than Ball. Manning put the ball too high rather than placing it in Ball's gut. Ball had his eyes up surveying the defense, so he didn't notice until he was closing his arms and the ball wasn't there. Manning took responsibility for it after the game.

 

[moleculo]

Lindsay Jones ‏@bylindsayhjones8h
RT @BroncosTV: Peyton Manning back at practice (no surprise) but so was Knowshon Moreno: pic.twitter.com/VXTXMzkZgr

 

[bondra76]

I think we're in for 75% of carries to Moreno and 25% to Ball. I expect the Broncos actually to have an easier time with the Chiefs now that Houston's out. I think Ball's going to get garbage time if the Broncos are up.

 

[steelwind]

"Knowshon Moreno (ankle) "seemed to have a light workload" in his return to a limited practice Thursday.

The fact Moreno got in any reps at all is a good sign, but he's clearly not out of the woods. The injury is being called a bone bruise on Moreno's right ankle. Per beat writer Mike Klis, Montee Ball and Ronnie Hillman "are expected to be ready" in case Moreno can't play or is limited Sunday at Kansas City. Klis made no mention of preseason star C.J. Anderson."

 

[bonesman]

Knowshon is all heart. He also has the most gigantic tears I've ever seen anyone cry (he was getting all emotional during the Anthem).

Ball looked great and tough as nails himself, breaking tackles, stiff arming, spinning for the extra yard. The team put the ball in his hands in some pretty important positions too and he never failed, so hopefully he's earned a bit of their confidence back after the fumbles and benching.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Montee Ball rushed 15 times for 77 yards with a touchdown and added three catches for 10 yards in Sunday's Week 14 win over the Titans.
With the playoffs drawing closer, the Broncos are making a concerted effort to ease the burden on Knowshon Moreno (20 touches). It means Ball is rotating in early and often, and also getting a ton of red-zone looks. Over the last two weeks, the rookie has 28 carries while the veteran has 29. As a goal-line option, pass-catcher and change-of-pace back in a ridiculously explosive offense, Ball will be a viable flex play against the Chargers on Thursday night.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Montee Ball's work with Peyton Manning on his routes is really showing in recent weeks. They've been crisp and precise, and he's been getting open very reliably. Of course, actually securing the pass once he gets open has sometimes been another matter...

 

[Ghost Rider]

Ball's recent emergence could be huge for the Broncos. With needing to probably win three games to win it all, and all of those games possibly in colder, ugly weather, having two RBs who can run it AND catch it makes the Broncos offense that much more dangerous. Last year, Moreno was the only reliable RB the Broncos had, when factoring in running, catching and pass protecting, but if they can go into these playoffs with two, that would be huge. He just needs to prove that he won't fumble.

 

[moleculo]

Ball's recent emergence could be huge for the Broncos. With needing to probably win three games to win it all, and all of those games possibly in colder, ugly weather, having two RBs who can run it AND catch it makes the Broncos offense that much more dangerous. Last year, Moreno was the only reliable RB the Broncos had, when factoring in running, catching and pass protecting, but if they can go into these playoffs with two, that would be huge. He just needs to prove that he won't fumble.

IMO, Fox blames a lack of running game for the playoff loss, particularly once Moreno went down. Broncos held the lead inside 4 minutes and were unable to salt it away, with a 185 lb. Ronnie Hillman, Jacob Hester, and Lance Ball running behind a gimpy Chris Kuper.

closing out games seems like it's been a priority all year - that, and making sure games are so far out they don't need closed out.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Montee Ball played on a season-high 43-of-98 snaps (43.8 percent) in Sunday's win over the Titans.

Over the last two weeks, starter Knowshon Moreno has 39 touches while playing 100 snaps. Ball has 32 touches on 67 snaps. The Broncos' intention to keep Moreno fresh while simultaneously getting their talented rookie on the field is now clear. Ball has also turned into the usual goal-line option of late, punching in four rushing touchdowns over the last six weeks. He'll be a candidate for another 10-16 touches in Thursday's game against the Chargers, making him a viable flex option.

Related: Knowshon Moreno

Source: profootballfocus.com

 

[duaneok66]

The amazing thing is that the Broncos had almost 100 offensive snaps. That offense can (easily) support two fantasy productive RBs.

 

[Mile High]

They will need good running. Rumor is Welker may be out until playoffs.

 

[Adam Harstad]

They will need good running. Rumor is Welker may be out until playoffs.

Yeah, although Tamme has been killing it ever since he came back, and could easily slide back into a larger role again.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

I almost played Ball over CJnoK this past week. Think I will for sure do it this week. This team can easily support two RBs plus with a short week you would think ball might be a big part of Thursday's plan.

 

[Buffaloes]

Ball's recent emergence could be huge for the Broncos. With needing to probably win three games to win it all, and all of those games possibly in colder, ugly weather, having two RBs who can run it AND catch it makes the Broncos offense that much more dangerous. Last year, Moreno was the only reliable RB the Broncos had, when factoring in running, catching and pass protecting, but if they can go into these playoffs with two, that would be huge. He just needs to prove that he won't fumble.

Agreed. If they had a player of Montee Ball's caliber in the playoffs last year, I don't think they lose to Balt after KM goes down.

also, thinking of starting KM and Ball this Thursday. Cool story and no one cares bout my fantasy team I know, but the Bronco brass said coming out of they bye they wanted to rest KM more, Ball now has 2 consecutive double-digit carry games in a row, and he's been impressive with those carries.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Ball also got 44% of the snaps yesterday, which is a new best. He's topped 30% four times this season, and two have been in the last two weeks.

 

[duaneok66]

Week 16 saw Moreno get 64% of the snaps, while Ball only got 25%.

 

[Buffaloes]

Week 16 saw Moreno get 64% of the snaps, while Ball only got 25%.

it was a VERY pass-centric gameplan. I think Denver was trying to set PM up for some records. So with the gameplan being so pass happy, I think they opted to keep their best pass-blocking RB in. I think in a more balanced attack, Ball will get more snaps.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Montee Ball admitted that the Broncos playbook was overwhelming initially.

Many observers, including us, expected Ball to step right in as the feature back for the Broncos in Week 1. In hindsight, that was overly optimistic as he came from Wisconsin's simple run-first scheme. "Just going from a college playbook to an NFL playbook is very difficult, but going from a college playbook to Peyton Manning's playbook is a whole another story," Ball said. As the season moved along, he gradually grasped his responsibilities and established himself as a trustworthy complement to Knowshon Moreno. Expect 9-13 touches in the Super Bowl for Ball and a possible starting role in 2014 as Moreno hits free agency.

Related: Knowshon Moreno

Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com

 

[Shutout]

When it counts during the fantasy playoff run, it will be Moreno.

I'm not going to get into a hash-slinging contest or crank out a disertation about it but, to me, its pretty clear:

You've got a team completely in win-now mode with a small window.

You've got a rookie Rb who is playing for a coach who has never, ever put as much trust into a rookie RB as what is being said. Saying in May is one thing; seeing the history of what he has always done in September-December is another. Just like people say every day around here that the leopard Andy Reid won't change his spots in KC, it won't happen with Fox either.

If people leave out their biases, they will accept the fact that a great deal of the hype around Ball is largely influenced by this particular landing spot, McGahee being older, Moreno being historically nicked up. He is being overhyped.

Moreno excels (and showed it down the stretch last season) at what Manning wants and needs.

When the rubber hits the road and the season grinds out, Moreno will be the guy you want at the end of the year, just like last year.

I love this thread because of this:

Resulted in me having the guts to hold Moreno everywhere I could and paid off big.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Is Moreno expected back in DEN next season?

 

[Faust]

When it counts during the fantasy playoff run, it will be Moreno.

I'm not going to get into a hash-slinging contest or crank out a disertation about it but, to me, its pretty clear:

You've got a team completely in win-now mode with a small window.

You've got a rookie Rb who is playing for a coach who has never, ever put as much trust into a rookie RB as what is being said. Saying in May is one thing; seeing the history of what he has always done in September-December is another. Just like people say every day around here that the leopard Andy Reid won't change his spots in KC, it won't happen with Fox either.

If people leave out their biases, they will accept the fact that a great deal of the hype around Ball is largely influenced by this particular landing spot, McGahee being older, Moreno being historically nicked up. He is being overhyped.

Moreno excels (and showed it down the stretch last season) at what Manning wants and needs.

When the rubber hits the road and the season grinds out, Moreno will be the guy you want at the end of the year, just like last year.

I love this thread because of this:

Resulted in me having the guts to hold Moreno everywhere I could and paid off big.

Great call, especially considering this was back in early June. Moreno played the Joseph Addai role for Manning's offense.

 

[Faust]

Is Moreno expected back in DEN next season?

I think it is too early to know for sure, as there are many factors and scenarios that could play out.

Some speculation:

Agent's take: Which players could cash in on big Super Bowl 48?

Excerpt:

RB Knowshon Moreno: It was widely assumed that Moreno would be relegated to a backup role when training camp opened. Ronnie Hillman's inability to hold onto the football in the preseason and rookie Montee Ball's trouble with pass protection opened the door for Moreno to become the featured running back. He ran for 1,038 yards (his first season 1,000-yard season), was fifth in the NFL in yards from scrimmage (1,586 yards) and had 13 touchdowns.

Moreno is younger and more productive than Reggie Bush and Steven Jackson, who got the best deals at $4 million per year in last year's soft free agent running back market. Moreno has a tough road ahead of him because the Seattle Seahawks are only allowing 3.2 yards per carry to running backs in the playoffs.

 

[Faust]

Knowshon Moreno, Montee Ball: Denver’s not-so-secret weapons for Super Bowl XLVIII

By Chris Burke

NEWARK, N.J. — The Denver run game is something of an afterthought as Super Bowl XLVIII approaches, tucked behind Peyton Manning’s passing attack, Seattle’s defense, Marshawn Lynch, Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman, Wes Welker’s helmet, Terrance Knighton’s nickname, the weather and … well, you get the idea.

But a funny thing happened after the Broncos signed Peyton Manning in March 2012: They used a third-round draft pick the next month on running back Ronnie Hillman and then a 2013 second-rounder on Montee Ball, all despite having Knowshon Moreno (No. 12 overall in 2009) on the roster.

No team other than Denver took more than one back in Round 3 or higher over the past two drafts, and no team has committed more early-round resources to the running back position since that Moreno selection. If the Broncos are indeed flippant about their talent in the backfield, they’re doing a great job hiding it.

“I think our organization, that John Elway and his staff have done a great job of finding players to complement our team,” Denver running backs coach Eric Studesville said during Tuesday’s Media Day. “It’s not just finding a running back but finding players that have the right character and right work ethic, because they’ve got to do more than just run the ball. I don’t know that they’re devalued in any way — we’re just trying to find the best football players to come in to help the team.”

They have succeeded there for the most part with Ball, though incorporating him fully into the offense required some patience. Ball carried the ball a combined 663 times over his final two seasons at Wisconsin, only to find himself battling Moreno and Hillman for touches once he arrived in Denver.

The exact pecking order was a bit of a mystery when training camp opened so many months ago. Ball’s arrival further crowded a position where Hillman had never made an NFL start. Moreno had been scratched from the lineup early in 2012 due to lack of production.

That it was Moreno, not Ball, who emerged as the No. 1 option during the regular season only made the unit more formidable.

“I believe as much as you can, you want that to play out,” said Studesville of figuring out the depth chart. “You have to get guys out there and let them showcase what they can do and it usually sorts itself out. Some guys are going to rise to the top; some guys are not going to play as well.”

Hillman fell into the latter category. Like Moreno last season, he battled consistency issues early. He also had some fumbling issues, all of which led head coach John Fox to pull him from the lineup. He still finished the year with 55 carries and a 4.0 yards-per-attempt average — the number Ball said Denver aimed for in its run game — but it was the Moreno-Ball duo that really led the way.

While Manning’s aerial attack was setting NFL records, the backfield more than held its own. Denver finished No. 15 in the league in yards rushing and topped the century mark in 14 of its 18 games (counting the playoffs).

“The pass complements the run, and vice versa,” Moreno said. “You want to stay as balanced as you can, but at the end of the day, it’s what they’re giving you, it’s whatever is working for you at the time, you’ve got to go with that.”

Ball’s emergence certainly has made it easier for Denver to mix in run plays with greater frequency. He had just 139 yards rushing through the Broncos’ first seven games; over the final nine of the regular season, he put up 420 with 18 receptions to boot.

“I’m glad that I finally started doing some great things at the end,” Ball said. “That’s why they drafted me — for that last final push, the playoffs.”

Of course, the Broncos could have balked on drafting Ball, period. After all, with Manning entering his second season in Denver and Wes Welker joining him to make the passing offense even more of a terror, Elway and Co. could have tried to live without the ex-Badger. Instead, they left players like Tyrann Mathieu, Larry Warford and Keenan Allen on the board to bring Ball into the fold.

Sunday, on the sport’s ultimate stage, that decision may pay off even more than it has throughout the 2013 season.

“They’re talented all across the board,” Seattle linebacker Bobby Wagner said. “They protect Peyton well and they run the ball well. … I think they do a really good job of balancing the run and pass.”

Perhaps the old days of NFL teams building from the running back position out are dying (though Seattle, with Marshawn Lynch, might argue). Several teams this season — New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Detroit and the Jets, to name a few — received major contributions from undrafted running backs. Indianapolis’ flop of a trade for Trent Richardson plus a 2014 running back draft class seemingly shy of any obvious superstars could encourage even more teams to play it conservatively at that position.

Denver has yet to join that camp, even upon the arrival of a future Hall of Fame QB in Manning. As a result, the Broncos are well-stocked with a versatile group in the backfield.

“We’re going to try to be productive, have good efficient runs,” Studesville said. “Stay on track so that we can give Peyton the best chance.”

 

[Adam Harstad]

Is Moreno expected back in DEN next season?

Nobody has publicly said anything on either side. I'm hearing that Denver's top two priorities this offseason are going to be Decker and DRC, in that order. No clue where Moreno falls after that. I think the most likely scenario is that he walks unless he's willing to offer Denver a pretty substantial hometown discount.

 

[JFS171]

Knowshon Moreno, Montee Ball: Denver’s not-so-secret weapons for Super Bowl XLVIII

By Chris Burke

NEWARK, N.J. — The Denver run game is something of an afterthought as Super Bowl XLVIII approaches, tucked behind Peyton Manning’s passing attack, Seattle’s defense, Marshawn Lynch, Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman, Wes Welker’s helmet, Terrance Knighton’s nickname, the weather and … well, you get the idea.

But a funny thing happened after the Broncos signed Peyton Manning in March 2012: They used a third-round draft pick the next month on running back Ronnie Hillman and then a 2013 second-rounder on Montee Ball, all despite having Knowshon Moreno (No. 12 overall in 2009) on the roster.

No team other than Denver took more than one back in Round 3 or higher over the past two drafts, and no team has committed more early-round resources to the running back position since that Moreno selection. If the Broncos are indeed flippant about their talent in the backfield, they’re doing a great job hiding it.

“I think our organization, that John Elway and his staff have done a great job of finding players to complement our team,” Denver running backs coach Eric Studesville said during Tuesday’s Media Day. “It’s not just finding a running back but finding players that have the right character and right work ethic, because they’ve got to do more than just run the ball. I don’t know that they’re devalued in any way — we’re just trying to find the best football players to come in to help the team.”

They have succeeded there for the most part with Ball, though incorporating him fully into the offense required some patience. Ball carried the ball a combined 663 times over his final two seasons at Wisconsin, only to find himself battling Moreno and Hillman for touches once he arrived in Denver.

The exact pecking order was a bit of a mystery when training camp opened so many months ago. Ball’s arrival further crowded a position where Hillman had never made an NFL start. Moreno had been scratched from the lineup early in 2012 due to lack of production.

That it was Moreno, not Ball, who emerged as the No. 1 option during the regular season only made the unit more formidable.

“I believe as much as you can, you want that to play out,” said Studesville of figuring out the depth chart. “You have to get guys out there and let them showcase what they can do and it usually sorts itself out. Some guys are going to rise to the top; some guys are not going to play as well.”

Hillman fell into the latter category. Like Moreno last season, he battled consistency issues early. He also had some fumbling issues, all of which led head coach John Fox to pull him from the lineup. He still finished the year with 55 carries and a 4.0 yards-per-attempt average — the number Ball said Denver aimed for in its run game — but it was the Moreno-Ball duo that really led the way.

While Manning’s aerial attack was setting NFL records, the backfield more than held its own. Denver finished No. 15 in the league in yards rushing and topped the century mark in 14 of its 18 games (counting the playoffs).

“The pass complements the run, and vice versa,” Moreno said. “You want to stay as balanced as you can, but at the end of the day, it’s what they’re giving you, it’s whatever is working for you at the time, you’ve got to go with that.”

Ball’s emergence certainly has made it easier for Denver to mix in run plays with greater frequency. He had just 139 yards rushing through the Broncos’ first seven games; over the final nine of the regular season, he put up 420 with 18 receptions to boot.

“I’m glad that I finally started doing some great things at the end,” Ball said. “That’s why they drafted me — for that last final push, the playoffs.”

Of course, the Broncos could have balked on drafting Ball, period. After all, with Manning entering his second season in Denver and Wes Welker joining him to make the passing offense even more of a terror, Elway and Co. could have tried to live without the ex-Badger. Instead, they left players like Tyrann Mathieu, Larry Warford and Keenan Allen on the board to bring Ball into the fold.

Sunday, on the sport’s ultimate stage, that decision may pay off even more than it has throughout the 2013 season.

“They’re talented all across the board,” Seattle linebacker Bobby Wagner said. “They protect Peyton well and they run the ball well. … I think they do a really good job of balancing the run and pass.”

Perhaps the old days of NFL teams building from the running back position out are dying (though Seattle, with Marshawn Lynch, might argue). Several teams this season — New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Detroit and the Jets, to name a few — received major contributions from undrafted running backs. Indianapolis’ flop of a trade for Trent Richardson plus a 2014 running back draft class seemingly shy of any obvious superstars could encourage even more teams to play it conservatively at that position.

Denver has yet to join that camp, even upon the arrival of a future Hall of Fame QB in Manning. As a result, the Broncos are well-stocked with a versatile group in the backfield.

“We’re going to try to be productive, have good efficient runs,” Studesville said. “Stay on track so that we can give Peyton the best chance.”

I wonder if they keep that mindset heading through the offseason and into next season. Should be an interesting battle head to head between Ball and CJ Anderson if it's truly a fair fight and not handicapped one way or another.

Moreno's likelihood to depart in FA makes Anderson one of the best offseason stashes at the RB position IMO.

 

[Faust]

Is Moreno expected back in DEN next season?

Nobody has publicly said anything on either side. I'm hearing that Denver's top two priorities this offseason are going to be Decker and DRC, in that order. No clue where Moreno falls after that. I think the most likely scenario is that he walks unless he's willing to offer Denver a pretty substantial hometown discount.

Rotoworld:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Broncos aren't expected to be able to re-sign impending free agent Knowshon Moreno.

It sounds like the Broncos don't believe they'll be able to afford Moreno. Denver currently has just over $122 million committed to the projected $126 million salary cap for 2014. Moreno is coming off a career year in which he rushed for 1,038 yards and ten touchdowns, while averaging 4.3 YPC. He also caught 60 balls for 548 yards and three additional scores. Moreno wasn't much of a player before Peyton Manning got to town, as he had been relegated to scout team at one point. He's been able to run against soft fronts due to the Broncos' lethal aerial attack. Moreno is a prime candidate to be vastly overpaid this offseason.


Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

 

[az_prof]

Knowshon Moreno, Montee Ball: Denver’s not-so-secret weapons for Super Bowl XLVIII

By Chris Burke

NEWARK, N.J. — The Denver run game is something of an afterthought as Super Bowl XLVIII approaches, tucked behind Peyton Manning’s passing attack, Seattle’s defense, Marshawn Lynch, Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman, Wes Welker’s helmet, Terrance Knighton’s nickname, the weather and … well, you get the idea.

But a funny thing happened after the Broncos signed Peyton Manning in March 2012: They used a third-round draft pick the next month on running back Ronnie Hillman and then a 2013 second-rounder on Montee Ball, all despite having Knowshon Moreno (No. 12 overall in 2009) on the roster.

No team other than Denver took more than one back in Round 3 or higher over the past two drafts, and no team has committed more early-round resources to the running back position since that Moreno selection. If the Broncos are indeed flippant about their talent in the backfield, they’re doing a great job hiding it.

“I think our organization, that John Elway and his staff have done a great job of finding players to complement our team,” Denver running backs coach Eric Studesville said during Tuesday’s Media Day. “It’s not just finding a running back but finding players that have the right character and right work ethic, because they’ve got to do more than just run the ball. I don’t know that they’re devalued in any way — we’re just trying to find the best football players to come in to help the team.”

They have succeeded there for the most part with Ball, though incorporating him fully into the offense required some patience. Ball carried the ball a combined 663 times over his final two seasons at Wisconsin, only to find himself battling Moreno and Hillman for touches once he arrived in Denver.

The exact pecking order was a bit of a mystery when training camp opened so many months ago. Ball’s arrival further crowded a position where Hillman had never made an NFL start. Moreno had been scratched from the lineup early in 2012 due to lack of production.

That it was Moreno, not Ball, who emerged as the No. 1 option during the regular season only made the unit more formidable.

“I believe as much as you can, you want that to play out,” said Studesville of figuring out the depth chart. “You have to get guys out there and let them showcase what they can do and it usually sorts itself out. Some guys are going to rise to the top; some guys are not going to play as well.”

Hillman fell into the latter category. Like Moreno last season, he battled consistency issues early. He also had some fumbling issues, all of which led head coach John Fox to pull him from the lineup. He still finished the year with 55 carries and a 4.0 yards-per-attempt average — the number Ball said Denver aimed for in its run game — but it was the Moreno-Ball duo that really led the way.

While Manning’s aerial attack was setting NFL records, the backfield more than held its own. Denver finished No. 15 in the league in yards rushing and topped the century mark in 14 of its 18 games (counting the playoffs).

“The pass complements the run, and vice versa,” Moreno said. “You want to stay as balanced as you can, but at the end of the day, it’s what they’re giving you, it’s whatever is working for you at the time, you’ve got to go with that.”

Ball’s emergence certainly has made it easier for Denver to mix in run plays with greater frequency. He had just 139 yards rushing through the Broncos’ first seven games; over the final nine of the regular season, he put up 420 with 18 receptions to boot.

“I’m glad that I finally started doing some great things at the end,” Ball said. “That’s why they drafted me — for that last final push, the playoffs.”

Of course, the Broncos could have balked on drafting Ball, period. After all, with Manning entering his second season in Denver and Wes Welker joining him to make the passing offense even more of a terror, Elway and Co. could have tried to live without the ex-Badger. Instead, they left players like Tyrann Mathieu, Larry Warford and Keenan Allen on the board to bring Ball into the fold.

Sunday, on the sport’s ultimate stage, that decision may pay off even more than it has throughout the 2013 season.

“They’re talented all across the board,” Seattle linebacker Bobby Wagner said. “They protect Peyton well and they run the ball well. … I think they do a really good job of balancing the run and pass.”

Perhaps the old days of NFL teams building from the running back position out are dying (though Seattle, with Marshawn Lynch, might argue). Several teams this season — New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Detroit and the Jets, to name a few — received major contributions from undrafted running backs. Indianapolis’ flop of a trade for Trent Richardson plus a 2014 running back draft class seemingly shy of any obvious superstars could encourage even more teams to play it conservatively at that position.

Denver has yet to join that camp, even upon the arrival of a future Hall of Fame QB in Manning. As a result, the Broncos are well-stocked with a versatile group in the backfield.

“We’re going to try to be productive, have good efficient runs,” Studesville said. “Stay on track so that we can give Peyton the best chance.”

I wonder if they keep that mindset heading through the offseason and into next season. Should be an interesting battle head to head between Ball and CJ Anderson if it's truly a fair fight and not handicapped one way or another.

Moreno's likelihood to depart in FA makes Anderson one of the best offseason stashes at the RB position IMO.

What has CJ Anderson done to make you say this?

 

[JFS171]

Knowshon Moreno, Montee Ball: Denvers not-so-secret weapons for Super Bowl XLVIII

By Chris Burke

NEWARK, N.J. The Denver run game is something of an afterthought as Super Bowl XLVIII approaches, tucked behind Peyton Mannings passing attack, Seattles defense, Marshawn Lynch, Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman, Wes Welkers helmet, Terrance Knightons nickname, the weather and well, you get the idea.

But a funny thing happened after the Broncos signed Peyton Manning in March 2012: They used a third-round draft pick the next month on running back Ronnie Hillman and then a 2013 second-rounder on Montee Ball, all despite having Knowshon Moreno (No. 12 overall in 2009) on the roster.

No team other than Denver took more than one back in Round 3 or higher over the past two drafts, and no team has committed more early-round resources to the running back position since that Moreno selection. If the Broncos are indeed flippant about their talent in the backfield, theyre doing a great job hiding it.

I think our organization, that John Elway and his staff have done a great job of finding players to complement our team, Denver running backs coach Eric Studesville said during Tuesdays Media Day. Its not just finding a running back but finding players that have the right character and right work ethic, because theyve got to do more than just run the ball. I dont know that theyre devalued in any way were just trying to find the best football players to come in to help the team.

They have succeeded there for the most part with Ball, though incorporating him fully into the offense required some patience. Ball carried the ball a combined 663 times over his final two seasons at Wisconsin, only to find himself battling Moreno and Hillman for touches once he arrived in Denver.

The exact pecking order was a bit of a mystery when training camp opened so many months ago. Balls arrival further crowded a position where Hillman had never made an NFL start. Moreno had been scratched from the lineup early in 2012 due to lack of production.

That it was Moreno, not Ball, who emerged as the No. 1 option during the regular season only made the unit more formidable.

I believe as much as you can, you want that to play out, said Studesville of figuring out the depth chart. You have to get guys out there and let them showcase what they can do and it usually sorts itself out. Some guys are going to rise to the top; some guys are not going to play as well.

Hillman fell into the latter category. Like Moreno last season, he battled consistency issues early. He also had some fumbling issues, all of which led head coach John Fox to pull him from the lineup. He still finished the year with 55 carries and a 4.0 yards-per-attempt average the number Ball said Denver aimed for in its run game but it was the Moreno-Ball duo that really led the way.

While Mannings aerial attack was setting NFL records, the backfield more than held its own. Denver finished No. 15 in the league in yards rushing and topped the century mark in 14 of its 18 games (counting the playoffs).

The pass complements the run, and vice versa, Moreno said. You want to stay as balanced as you can, but at the end of the day, its what theyre giving you, its whatever is working for you at the time, youve got to go with that.

Balls emergence certainly has made it easier for Denver to mix in run plays with greater frequency. He had just 139 yards rushing through the Broncos first seven games; over the final nine of the regular season, he put up 420 with 18 receptions to boot.

Im glad that I finally started doing some great things at the end, Ball said. Thats why they drafted me for that last final push, the playoffs.

Of course, the Broncos could have balked on drafting Ball, period. After all, with Manning entering his second season in Denver and Wes Welker joining him to make the passing offense even more of a terror, Elway and Co. could have tried to live without the ex-Badger. Instead, they left players like Tyrann Mathieu, Larry Warford and Keenan Allen on the board to bring Ball into the fold.

Sunday, on the sports ultimate stage, that decision may pay off even more than it has throughout the 2013 season.

Theyre talented all across the board, Seattle linebacker Bobby Wagner said. They protect Peyton well and they run the ball well. I think they do a really good job of balancing the run and pass.

Perhaps the old days of NFL teams building from the running back position out are dying (though Seattle, with Marshawn Lynch, might argue). Several teams this season New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Detroit and the Jets, to name a few received major contributions from undrafted running backs. Indianapolis flop of a trade for Trent Richardson plus a 2014 running back draft class seemingly shy of any obvious superstars could encourage even more teams to play it conservatively at that position.

Denver has yet to join that camp, even upon the arrival of a future Hall of Fame QB in Manning. As a result, the Broncos are well-stocked with a versatile group in the backfield.

Were going to try to be productive, have good efficient runs, Studesville said. Stay on track so that we can give Peyton the best chance.

I wonder if they keep that mindset heading through the offseason and into next season. Should be an interesting battle head to head between Ball and CJ Anderson if it's truly a fair fight and not handicapped one way or another.

Moreno's likelihood to depart in FA makes Anderson one of the best offseason stashes at the RB position IMO.

What has CJ Anderson done to make you say this?

On my phone so I can't find all the links and such. Search CJ Anderson on this forum and you'll see plenty of support.

Quick and dirty bullets:

-- Despite an injury that had him miss the first three weeks of the season, the team held Anderson on the 53 man roster as an UDFA to avoid exposing him to waivers. That speaks volumes.

-- He's got an excellent build for the position, good vision, quicks, and hands.

-- He fits the mold of successful NFL RBs - I'd encourage you to read wdcrob's blog post about Anderson.

-- The team seems to favor employing a two-back system, and I'm personally not blown away by Montee Ball (though I admit he's looked better lately).

Anderson is a long shot, but he's already passed Hillman, the team obviously likes him, and I'm not crazy impressed with the guy in front of him. That's a guy I'll gladly spend an offseason roster spot on.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Knowshon Moreno, Montee Ball: Denvers not-so-secret weapons for Super Bowl XLVIII

By Chris Burke

NEWARK, N.J. The Denver run game is something of an afterthought as Super Bowl XLVIII approaches, tucked behind Peyton Mannings passing attack, Seattles defense, Marshawn Lynch, Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman, Wes Welkers helmet, Terrance Knightons nickname, the weather and well, you get the idea.

But a funny thing happened after the Broncos signed Peyton Manning in March 2012: They used a third-round draft pick the next month on running back Ronnie Hillman and then a 2013 second-rounder on Montee Ball, all despite having Knowshon Moreno (No. 12 overall in 2009) on the roster.

No team other than Denver took more than one back in Round 3 or higher over the past two drafts, and no team has committed more early-round resources to the running back position since that Moreno selection. If the Broncos are indeed flippant about their talent in the backfield, theyre doing a great job hiding it.

I think our organization, that John Elway and his staff have done a great job of finding players to complement our team, Denver running backs coach Eric Studesville said during Tuesdays Media Day. Its not just finding a running back but finding players that have the right character and right work ethic, because theyve got to do more than just run the ball. I dont know that theyre devalued in any way were just trying to find the best football players to come in to help the team.

They have succeeded there for the most part with Ball, though incorporating him fully into the offense required some patience. Ball carried the ball a combined 663 times over his final two seasons at Wisconsin, only to find himself battling Moreno and Hillman for touches once he arrived in Denver.

The exact pecking order was a bit of a mystery when training camp opened so many months ago. Balls arrival further crowded a position where Hillman had never made an NFL start. Moreno had been scratched from the lineup early in 2012 due to lack of production.

That it was Moreno, not Ball, who emerged as the No. 1 option during the regular season only made the unit more formidable.

I believe as much as you can, you want that to play out, said Studesville of figuring out the depth chart. You have to get guys out there and let them showcase what they can do and it usually sorts itself out. Some guys are going to rise to the top; some guys are not going to play as well.

Hillman fell into the latter category. Like Moreno last season, he battled consistency issues early. He also had some fumbling issues, all of which led head coach John Fox to pull him from the lineup. He still finished the year with 55 carries and a 4.0 yards-per-attempt average the number Ball said Denver aimed for in its run game but it was the Moreno-Ball duo that really led the way.

While Mannings aerial attack was setting NFL records, the backfield more than held its own. Denver finished No. 15 in the league in yards rushing and topped the century mark in 14 of its 18 games (counting the playoffs).

The pass complements the run, and vice versa, Moreno said. You want to stay as balanced as you can, but at the end of the day, its what theyre giving you, its whatever is working for you at the time, youve got to go with that.

Balls emergence certainly has made it easier for Denver to mix in run plays with greater frequency. He had just 139 yards rushing through the Broncos first seven games; over the final nine of the regular season, he put up 420 with 18 receptions to boot.

Im glad that I finally started doing some great things at the end, Ball said. Thats why they drafted me for that last final push, the playoffs.

Of course, the Broncos could have balked on drafting Ball, period. After all, with Manning entering his second season in Denver and Wes Welker joining him to make the passing offense even more of a terror, Elway and Co. could have tried to live without the ex-Badger. Instead, they left players like Tyrann Mathieu, Larry Warford and Keenan Allen on the board to bring Ball into the fold.

Sunday, on the sports ultimate stage, that decision may pay off even more than it has throughout the 2013 season.

Theyre talented all across the board, Seattle linebacker Bobby Wagner said. They protect Peyton well and they run the ball well. I think they do a really good job of balancing the run and pass.

Perhaps the old days of NFL teams building from the running back position out are dying (though Seattle, with Marshawn Lynch, might argue). Several teams this season New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Detroit and the Jets, to name a few received major contributions from undrafted running backs. Indianapolis flop of a trade for Trent Richardson plus a 2014 running back draft class seemingly shy of any obvious superstars could encourage even more teams to play it conservatively at that position.

Denver has yet to join that camp, even upon the arrival of a future Hall of Fame QB in Manning. As a result, the Broncos are well-stocked with a versatile group in the backfield.

Were going to try to be productive, have good efficient runs, Studesville said. Stay on track so that we can give Peyton the best chance.

I wonder if they keep that mindset heading through the offseason and into next season. Should be an interesting battle head to head between Ball and CJ Anderson if it's truly a fair fight and not handicapped one way or another.

Moreno's likelihood to depart in FA makes Anderson one of the best offseason stashes at the RB position IMO.

What has CJ Anderson done to make you say this?

Both Anderson and Hillman are decent end of bench flyers just based on possibly being one injury away from a great situation next year, but if Moreno ends up leaving, Ball will be a HUGE favorite to win the featured spot.

 

[Adam Harstad]

What has CJ Anderson done to make you say this?

He made the roster of a team in the middle of a championship window despite being an injured and undrafted rookie. Is that not enough?

Ball's the favorite, but Anderson is still a great stash, especially since he's free in most leagues. Even if he's only got a 20% chance of winning, that's well worth the price of entry.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I've been a huge Anderson fan since the 1st preseason game and have him stashed in every league. And I think it's a great sign that in addition to all the stuff at the start of the year the team feels good enough with him that they're already signaling they'll let Moreno walk (instead of pushing some sort of 'team friendly' deal kind of narrative).

But the problem for Anderson is that the situation is so good right now that there won't be much reason to go away from Ball. Moreno, who'd been the very definition of pedestrian previously, looks like a world beater with Peyton at the controls. I think it's pretty likely that Ball will look good enough to hang onto the job until the Broncos need a back that can do something on his own.

Not cutting Anderson anytime soon, but my expectations are lowered going forward.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Can Ronnie Hillman dig his way out of the doghouse? wasnt that long ago he was crowned by many as the #1 RB heading into 2013 season

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Can Ronnie Hillman dig his way out of the doghouse? wasnt that long ago he was crowned by many as the #1 RB heading into 2013 season

Anything's possible, but Hillman has always felt like more of a COP guy to me. He might end up being the most dynamic guy with the ball in his hands, but considering what the Broncos are looking for at RB (steady and reliable in all phases) that probably won't matter a ton.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Sounds like Ball is about to get a big bump in value if Moreno leaves in free agency. After the slow start, he flashed signs of why they drafted him. As long as Manning is there, that is a huge advantage for a RB.

If Moreno does sign elsewhere, it will be interesting to see where he lands and what kind of contract he is offered. Not too many RBs are offered massive contracts these days. He definitely had good timing having a career season in a contract year.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Can Ronnie Hillman dig his way out of the doghouse? wasnt that long ago he was crowned by many as the #1 RB heading into 2013 season

Anything's possible, but Hillman has always felt like more of a COP guy to me. He might end up being the most dynamic guy with the ball in his hands, but considering what the Broncos are looking for at RB (steady and reliable in all phases) that probably won't matter a ton.

Not just to you. John Elway essentially just straight-up called Hillman a CoP back on two different occasions last offseason. It's why Hillman's run at the top of the depth chart was so surprising.

 

[Eminence]

What's the play here? Is this still McGahee's job? I don't think it would be wise to have a Rookie pasa blocking all season. Moreno? Hillman is an afterthought, imo.Unless he's bulked up.

McGahee and Moreno are competing for one roster spot. It'll be a huge shock if both make the team, since neither plays special teams. My money's on Moreno, because he's younger and cheaper.

Hillman and Ball are both locks for the roster, and Jacob Hester would probably be my guess for the 4th RB spot on the team. Whoever the 4th RB winds up being (Hester or Lance Ball, probably), he's not going to be a factor in the running game. It's strictly going to be Montee Ball, Ronnie Hillman, and whoever wins the Moreno/McGahee battle. I think the coaching staff views Hillman as a CoP, but Cecil says he's been hearing a lot of praise for him from the coaching staff. He's bulked up a little bit- mostly in the upper body- but his biggest advantage will just be getting another offseason in the conditioning program. Hillman was all the way down to 180 pounds by the end of last season, which isn't extremely uncommon for rookies (Portis dropped down into the 180s as a rookie, too). As he builds more of an NFL body, the weight will stick better during the season.

If I were betting today, I'd bet on Montee Ball leading the Broncos in carries. It's not a lock, but my reading of the tea leaves suggests he's the leader in the clubhouse. Second choice would probably be Moreno, then Hillman, then McGahee.

You're the man.

 

[ghostguy123]

Ball. If Manning stays and Moreno leaves, I can see a pretty nice 230-240 point PPR type season from him.

 

[Adam Harstad]

What's the play here? Is this still McGahee's job? I don't think it would be wise to have a Rookie pasa blocking all season. Moreno? Hillman is an afterthought, imo.Unless he's bulked up.

McGahee and Moreno are competing for one roster spot. It'll be a huge shock if both make the team, since neither plays special teams. My money's on Moreno, because he's younger and cheaper.

Hillman and Ball are both locks for the roster, and Jacob Hester would probably be my guess for the 4th RB spot on the team. Whoever the 4th RB winds up being (Hester or Lance Ball, probably), he's not going to be a factor in the running game. It's strictly going to be Montee Ball, Ronnie Hillman, and whoever wins the Moreno/McGahee battle. I think the coaching staff views Hillman as a CoP, but Cecil says he's been hearing a lot of praise for him from the coaching staff. He's bulked up a little bit- mostly in the upper body- but his biggest advantage will just be getting another offseason in the conditioning program. Hillman was all the way down to 180 pounds by the end of last season, which isn't extremely uncommon for rookies (Portis dropped down into the 180s as a rookie, too). As he builds more of an NFL body, the weight will stick better during the season.

If I were betting today, I'd bet on Montee Ball leading the Broncos in carries. It's not a lock, but my reading of the tea leaves suggests he's the leader in the clubhouse. Second choice would probably be Moreno, then Hillman, then McGahee.

You're the man.

If you're looking for embarrassing quotes from me on the topic, surely you could have found much worse than that.

 

[Denver724]

Ball. If Manning stays and Moreno leaves, I can see a pretty nice 230-240 point PPR type season from him.

I think CJ Anderson has a real shot at unseating Ball in 2014.

 

[Adam Harstad]

For whatever it is worth... over the last 7 games (not including the SB), Knowshon Moreno has taken 91 carries for 355 yard (3.9 yards per carry). Over the same span, Ball has taken 67 carries for 392 yard (5.9 ypc). I don't know what it is, whether Moreno's massive workload in his epic, unforgettable performance against New England in the regular season wound up breaking him down or what, but it was very clear over the second half of the season that Ball was running better than he was. A lot more to playing running back than just carrying the ball, of course, but at least when it comes to running the ball, there's plenty of reason to believe that Montee Ball is simply better.

 

[msudaisy26]

For whatever it is worth... over the last 7 games (not including the SB), Knowshon Moreno has taken 91 carries for 355 yard (3.9 yards per carry). Over the same span, Ball has taken 67 carries for 392 yard (5.9 ypc). I don't know what it is, whether Moreno's massive workload in his epic, unforgettable performance against New England in the regular season wound up breaking him down or what, but it was very clear over the second half of the season that Ball was running better than he was. A lot more to playing running back than just carrying the ball, of course, but at least when it comes to running the ball, there's plenty of reason to believe that Montee Ball is simply better.

Could it simply be that Ball just has fresher legs from not being used much early in the year? Or that he racked up a lot more yards near the end of games that were over and the defense was either wore down from trying to get to Peyton all day or having the fourth stringers in there to finish a game that has been decided?

I am not sure. Maybe Ball is better and just needed time to get it going.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

For whatever it is worth... over the last 7 games (not including the SB), Knowshon Moreno has taken 91 carries for 355 yard (3.9 yards per carry). Over the same span, Ball has taken 67 carries for 392 yard (5.9 ypc). I don't know what it is, whether Moreno's massive workload in his epic, unforgettable performance against New England in the regular season wound up breaking him down or what, but it was very clear over the second half of the season that Ball was running better than he was. A lot more to playing running back than just carrying the ball, of course, but at least when it comes to running the ball, there's plenty of reason to believe that Montee Ball is simply better.

Could it simply be that Ball just has fresher legs from not being used much early in the year? Or that he racked up a lot more yards near the end of games that were over and the defense was either wore down from trying to get to Peyton all day or having the fourth stringers in there to finish a game that has been decided?

I am not sure. Maybe Ball is better and just needed time to get it going.

How many times could that have happened in the last 7 games - which includes the last three playoff games? Your former point about "fresher legs" certainly makes sense though

 

[msudaisy26]

For whatever it is worth... over the last 7 games (not including the SB), Knowshon Moreno has taken 91 carries for 355 yard (3.9 yards per carry). Over the same span, Ball has taken 67 carries for 392 yard (5.9 ypc). I don't know what it is, whether Moreno's massive workload in his epic, unforgettable performance against New England in the regular season wound up breaking him down or what, but it was very clear over the second half of the season that Ball was running better than he was. A lot more to playing running back than just carrying the ball, of course, but at least when it comes to running the ball, there's plenty of reason to believe that Montee Ball is simply better.

Could it simply be that Ball just has fresher legs from not being used much early in the year? Or that he racked up a lot more yards near the end of games that were over and the defense was either wore down from trying to get to Peyton all day or having the fourth stringers in there to finish a game that has been decided?I am not sure. Maybe Ball is better and just needed time to get it going.

How many times could that have happened in the last 7 games - which includes the last three playoff games? Your former point about "fresher legs" certainly makes sense though

I don't know how many times they were blowing teams out the last 7 weeks but if he is running the entire 4th quarter against the backups more then once it could easily skew his stats.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

For whatever it is worth... over the last 7 games (not including the SB), Knowshon Moreno has taken 91 carries for 355 yard (3.9 yards per carry). Over the same span, Ball has taken 67 carries for 392 yard (5.9 ypc). I don't know what it is, whether Moreno's massive workload in his epic, unforgettable performance against New England in the regular season wound up breaking him down or what, but it was very clear over the second half of the season that Ball was running better than he was. A lot more to playing running back than just carrying the ball, of course, but at least when it comes to running the ball, there's plenty of reason to believe that Montee Ball is simply better.

Could it simply be that Ball just has fresher legs from not being used much early in the year? Or that he racked up a lot more yards near the end of games that were over and the defense was either wore down from trying to get to Peyton all day or having the fourth stringers in there to finish a game that has been decided?I am not sure. Maybe Ball is better and just needed time to get it going.

How many times could that have happened in the last 7 games - which includes the last three playoff games? Your former point about "fresher legs" certainly makes sense though

I don't know how many times they were blowing teams out the last 7 weeks but if he is running the entire 4th quarter against the backups more then once it could easily skew his stats.

Just taking a quick look at the "blowout" games which happened during that 7 week stretch:

In Week 17 34-14 win over Oakland, Ronnie Hillman got 6 4Q carries and Ball did not get any.

In Week 16 37-13 win over Houston, Ball had one carry for 13 yards in the 4Q - Hillman once again got the carries to close the game out.

In Week 14 58-21 win over Tennessee, Ball had 6 carries for 20 yards and a TD in 4Q.

The other 4 games were the two playoff games, a close game with Kansas City (35-28) in Week 13 and a loss at home to San Diego in Week 15.

Looks like Ball legitimately outproduced Moreno over that span. Of course this doesn't account for what actually happened on the plays Ball got the carry versus plays where Moreno got the carries (i.e. 3rd and long runs, huge holes, missed tackles, etc.)

 

[Bob Magaw]

Based on the eyeball test, once Ball settled in, learned the offense and could play fast, I thought he looked shiftier and had better pure vision and natural running instincts, timing and footwork on his cuts, etc.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Montee Ball hopes to start in 2014, and "(wants) the football every time."
"I think I'm going to have a great offseason, and I'm going to have a better season next year for sure," Ball said. Ball was far more effective in the second half of 2013, but slumped in the playoffs, averaging 3.4 yards on 28 carries. During the regular season, he averaged 4.7 YPC and 5.9 over his final eight games. With free agent Knowshon Moreno not terribly likely to return, Ball is in good position to get his starting wish. The Broncos have lost all faith in Ronnie Hillman.

Source: Denver Post

 

[cstu]

IAOFM (the most tuned-in Denver blog) is saying that they've heard that Moreno's 2014 club option season actually voids, which means that Knowshon Moreno is 100% certain to be an unrestricted free agent this offseason. I'd think he's probably earned himself a starting job somewhere next year, even if it's not in Denver.

This is the first I've heard of it. Given the lack of RB's around the league I do expect him to be a starter next year, just not as successful.

It was the first I'd heard of it, too, and I felt it was worth passing along. Still, the guys at IAOFM have always been extremely plugged-in, and I'd noticed a lot of irregularities when researching the option year (for instance, it's always reported as a $5mil club option, but Sportrac's salary information doesn't reflect anything near that large), so I do believe them when they say it.

Doubt he gets more then Reggie Bush's contract so a guaranteed 5 million for one season with Peyton would not have been that bad of an option for him.

Why Moreno Won't Find Big Money On the Free Agent Market

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Why Moreno Won't Find Big Money On the Free Agent Market

I hesitate to praise anything from BR, but that's a damn good summary of why Moreno's overvalued IMO.