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I hesitate to praise anything from BR, but that's a damn good summary of why Moreno's overvalued IMO.
I don't think he'll see big money either (or that he should). I guess the question will be if he'll see bigger money on the market than what the Broncos would be willing to pay. With teams like NYJ, Cleveland and Oakland, all having a need and a lot of cap space (and perhaps the reputation of not always spending money wisely) I think that may be the case. I don't see him ending up back in Denver.

 
Rotoworld:

Speaking Thursday at the Combine, Broncos coach John Fox insisted he believes Ronnie Hillman is a "tremendous talent."

"(He gives) us great explosion as a runner, particularly to the perimeter," Fox added. They're the kind of lying-through-his-teeth quotes Fox is famous for, and say exactly nothing about Hillman's 2014 status. When last we saw Hillman, he was being deactivated for Super Bowl XLVIII. Hillman's fumbling has eroded the Broncos' faith in him. With free agent Knowshon Moreno unlikely to be back, Hillman's roster spot should be secure, but Montee Ball is the heavy favorite to start in 2014. Hillman closed out last season behind C.J. Anderson, as well.


Source: Jeff Legwold on Twitter
 
Rotoworld:

Speaking Thursday at the Combine, Broncos coach John Fox insisted he believes Ronnie Hillman is a "tremendous talent."

"(He gives) us great explosion as a runner, particularly to the perimeter," Fox added. They're the kind of lying-through-his-teeth quotes Fox is famous for, and say exactly nothing about Hillman's 2014 status. When last we saw Hillman, he was being deactivated for Super Bowl XLVIII. Hillman's fumbling has eroded the Broncos' faith in him. With free agent Knowshon Moreno unlikely to be back, Hillman's roster spot should be secure, but Montee Ball is the heavy favorite to start in 2014. Hillman closed out last season behind C.J. Anderson, as well.


Source: Jeff Legwold on Twitter
going to hold and grab where I can get, maybe the light will turn on

 
I'd buy on Montee Ball in dynasty leagues. Price might be higher, but will skyrocket if/when Moreno signs elsewhere. Hillman is a COP back at best.

 
As soon as the broncos lose Moreno, cj Anderson is going to blur right past the other guys on the roster. Yes, that includes ball

 
Rotoworld:

Broncos coach John Fox stated at the Combine that he anticipates "big improvement" from Montee Ball in his second season.
Even on the off chance free agent Knowshon Moreno returns, Ball will receive every opportunity to win Denver's lead back job after averaging 4.66 YPC as a rookie. (Moreno checked in at 4.31). "Obviously we think very highly of him," Fox said. "I thought he had tremendous growth. ... He got better with every week. We look for a big improvement next year and think he's very, very capable."

Source: Denver Post
 
As soon as the broncos lose Moreno, cj Anderson is going to blur right past the other guys on the roster. Yes, that includes ball
Let me hold you to this!!! I will be one happy SOB
I own CJ Anderson, and I do not own Ball - but I do not see this happening at all. The Broncos invested much more heavily in Ball, and he looked damn good as the season progressed.
I'm holding Anderson in a few leagues. I'm a little more optimistic than you. Ball will be given every chance to start but I think Anderson will lock down the back up role and from there it only takes an injury, a few fumbles, or some misses blocking assignments. I thought Ball looked good, not great last year. I also don't think a 2nd rd pick is such a high investment the best player won't play(whoever that may be)
 
Can't wait to see this play out. Ball has a huge experience advantage (NCAA and NFL), which we know Fox puts a high value on, but at the very least Anderson's a good lottery ticket to be holding.

 
As soon as the broncos lose Moreno, cj Anderson is going to blur right past the other guys on the roster. Yes, that includes ball
Let me hold you to this!!! I will be one happy SOB
I own CJ Anderson, and I do not own Ball - but I do not see this happening at all. The Broncos invested much more heavily in Ball, and he looked damn good as the season progressed.
I'm holding Anderson in a few leagues. I'm a little more optimistic than you. Ball will be given every chance to start but I think Anderson will lock down the back up role and from there it only takes an injury, a few fumbles, or some misses blocking assignments. I thought Ball looked good, not great last year. I also don't think a 2nd rd pick is such a high investment the best player won't play(whoever that may be)
I obviously agree that landing a backup role on Denver is a nice lottery ticket to be holding - but I don't think it pays out, outside of injury. I think at season's end Ball looked very good and the team obviouly drafted him to take over the starting role.

It's a possibility of course that Anderson passes Ball by on the depth chart, but right now it seems remote. Let's hope of course though.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
LBH said:
As soon as the broncos lose Moreno, cj Anderson is going to blur right past the other guys on the roster. Yes, that includes ball
Let me hold you to this!!! I will be one happy SOB
I own CJ Anderson, and I do not own Ball - but I do not see this happening at all. The Broncos invested much more heavily in Ball, and he looked damn good as the season progressed.
I'm holding Anderson in a few leagues. I'm a little more optimistic than you. Ball will be given every chance to start but I think Anderson will lock down the back up role and from there it only takes an injury, a few fumbles, or some misses blocking assignments. I thought Ball looked good, not great last year. I also don't think a 2nd rd pick is such a high investment the best player won't play(whoever that may be)
I obviously agree that landing a backup role on Denver is a nice lottery ticket to be holding - but I don't think it pays out, outside of injury. I think at season's end Ball looked very good and the team obviouly drafted him to take over the starting role.

It's a possibility of course that Anderson passes Ball by on the depth chart, but right now it seems remote. Let's hope of course though.
Anderson just appears much more dynamic to me. I admit, I am probably being too overly-assuming but I picked Moreno out of that mess last year based on what just seemed like the right fit at the time so I'm trying again...Let's see.

 
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The Denver Post says the Broncos "want to give [Montee] Ball the first chance at becoming their No. 1 running back in 2014."
At this point, it would be a major surprise if the Broncos re-sign free agent Knowshon Moreno. They'll wisely turn to Ball, who rushed 65 times for 382 yards (5.87 YPC) with three touchdowns and added 18 catches for 118 yards with another score over the final eight games of last year. He'll only be "pushed" by the likes of C.J. Anderson, Ronnie Hillman and possibly a lower tier free agent the Broncos add. Pencil Ball in as the lead back in a Peyton Manning offense, giving him first-round fantasy upside.

Related: Knowshon Moreno, C.J. Anderson

Source: Denver Post
 
Rotoworld:

Gase: Broncos No. 2 tailback job 'wide open'

Broncos OC Adam Gase reiterated at OTAs that he sees Denver's No. 2 tailback job as "wide open."

Montee Ball is entrenched as the top back, with Ronnie Hillman, C.J. Anderson, and UDFAs Kapri Bibbs and Brennan Clay competing for scraps. "Everybody behind Montee is competing for the second spot," Gase said. "Whoever wants to step up and take that spot, that's what we're looking for." Anderson is the best bet, but Hillman has enough talent to keep the battle going deep into camp.

Source: Mike Klis on Twitter

May 30 - 12:47 AM
 
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Oh great, more Hillman hype coming...
Regardless of whether he earns the #2 spot on the depth chart, I doubt Hillman would be the guy to take over if Ball got hurt or otherwise lost the job. Elway and Fox have made it clear in the past that they view him strictly as a CoP back who is best with limited touches. If Ball tore his ACL tomorrow, Anderson would be the guy I wanted to own.

 
A part of Ball's apeal is the rest of the RB depth chart. If Ball was to retire today, I'd pass of the rest of these guys.

 
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Oh great, more Hillman hype coming...
Regardless of whether he earns the #2 spot on the depth chart, I doubt Hillman would be the guy to take over if Ball got hurt or otherwise lost the job. Elway and Fox have made it clear in the past that they view him strictly as a CoP back who is best with limited touches. If Ball tore his ACL tomorrow, Anderson would be the guy I wanted to own.
I agree.

 
A part of Ball's apeal is the rest of the RB depth chart. If Ball was to retire today, I'd pass of the rest of these guys.
Well yeah, but in that offense any stiff could put up FF relevant numbers. Not saying Ball is a stiff, but they could plug in anyone to run against dime defenses behind that line if it's healthy.

 
A part of Ball's apeal is the rest of the RB depth chart. If Ball was to retire today, I'd pass of the rest of these guys.
Well yeah, but in that offense any stiff could put up FF relevant numbers. Not saying Ball is a stiff, but they could plug in anyone to run against dime defenses behind that line if it's healthy.
I have 0 faith in CJ Anderson. Hillman is not built to be a week to week option consistently. He's a commitee back only. If I was desperate, sure. But count me out after Ball.
 
A part of Ball's apeal is the rest of the RB depth chart. If Ball was to retire today, I'd pass of the rest of these guys.
Well yeah, but in that offense any stiff could put up FF relevant numbers. Not saying Ball is a stiff, but they could plug in anyone to run against dime defenses behind that line if it's healthy.
I have 0 faith in CJ Anderson. Hillman is not built to be a week to week option consistently. He's a commitee back only. If I was desperate, sure. But count me out after Ball.
Why no faith in Anderson? The Broncos liked him enough to keep him on the 53-man roster last season despite him being an UDFA who was guaranteed to miss the first part of the season to injury, and who was unlikely to see the field even after he got back (Anderson received just 21 snaps last year). The reason they kept him is because they liked him long-term and didn't want to put him on the practice squad and risk losing him to another team with a waiver claim. That's certainly a pretty solid vote of confidence in Anderson. For perspective, Denver gave a similar vote of confidence to Julius Thomas in 2012- they kept him on the 53-man roster despite him being virtually guaranteed to be a non-factor that season owing to injury and missed practice time. Worked out pretty well in the case of Julius.

I wouldn't bet on him unseating Ball, although it certainly wouldn't be the most shocking thing I had ever seen. If Ball were to go down and Anderson were given the job, though, I'd start him pretty much every week as my RB2 or as a monster flex.

 
Thread starter, here.

Ball is a lock for 1,200 yards and 6 - 10 touchdowns. I don't know if he's great, but I'm sure on pure rushing ability he's better than Moreno. He may be a lesser pass blocker / catcher than Moreno was.

He's a perfect RB2 who's handcuff will come very cheap.

 
A part of Ball's apeal is the rest of the RB depth chart. If Ball was to retire today, I'd pass of the rest of these guys.
Well yeah, but in that offense any stiff could put up FF relevant numbers. Not saying Ball is a stiff, but they could plug in anyone to run against dime defenses behind that line if it's healthy.
So, a clear cut starter who will get the lion share of touches in an offense that any stiff could put up big numbers. Why isn't Ball a top 5 or at least top 10 RB then? Isn't he vastly underrated?

 
A part of Ball's apeal is the rest of the RB depth chart. If Ball was to retire today, I'd pass of the rest of these guys.
Well yeah, but in that offense any stiff could put up FF relevant numbers. Not saying Ball is a stiff, but they could plug in anyone to run against dime defenses behind that line if it's healthy.
I have 0 faith in CJ Anderson. Hillman is not built to be a week to week option consistently. He's a commitee back only. If I was desperate, sure. But count me out after Ball.
Why no faith in Anderson? The Broncos liked him enough to keep him on the 53-man roster last season despite him being an UDFA who was guaranteed to miss the first part of the season to injury, and who was unlikely to see the field even after he got back (Anderson received just 21 snaps last year). The reason they kept him is because they liked him long-term and didn't want to put him on the practice squad and risk losing him to another team with a waiver claim. That's certainly a pretty solid vote of confidence in Anderson. For perspective, Denver gave a similar vote of confidence to Julius Thomas in 2012- they kept him on the 53-man roster despite him being virtually guaranteed to be a non-factor that season owing to injury and missed practice time. Worked out pretty well in the case of Julius.

I wouldn't bet on him unseating Ball, although it certainly wouldn't be the most shocking thing I had ever seen. If Ball were to go down and Anderson were given the job, though, I'd start him pretty much every week as my RB2 or as a monster flex.
None if that makes him a talent. He's a better Lance Ball
 
A part of Ball's apeal is the rest of the RB depth chart. If Ball was to retire today, I'd pass of the rest of these guys.
Well yeah, but in that offense any stiff could put up FF relevant numbers. Not saying Ball is a stiff, but they could plug in anyone to run against dime defenses behind that line if it's healthy.
So, a clear cut starter who will get the lion share of touches in an offense that any stiff could put up big numbers. Why isn't Ball a top 5 or at least top 10 RB then? Isn't he vastly underrated?
I have him top-10.
 
Thread starter, here.

Ball is a lock for 1,200 yards and 6 - 10 touchdowns. I don't know if he's great, but I'm sure on pure rushing ability he's better than Moreno. He may be a lesser pass blocker / catcher than Moreno was.

He's a perfect RB2 who's handcuff will come very cheap.
I'm in complete agreement with your confidence in Ball so not looking to be argumentative at all but a couple points on the numbers:

1) Good luck getting Ball as an RB2. His current ADP on FF Calc is RB8 and can't really see reason for it to fall during preseason.

2) Don't know if 1,200 yds is total or just rushing but last year Moreno put up roughly 1050 yds rushing and 550 receiving for 1600 total. Ball himself had 20 recpt/150 yds. So if Ball is a better rusher but not as good a receiver it stands to reason that basically taking Moreno's job would result in let's assume 1200 rushing and 40 recpt / 300 yds receiving.

3) Broncos as a team scored 16 rush TD's. Moreno had 10. Even if you assume Peyton runs another bootleg I think you have to assume Ball gets at least 2/3 rush scores which puts him at 10 TD conservatively.

There is really no reason an RB at least as capable as Moreno in that explosive offense shouldn't put up 1200 rush yds / 40 recpts for 300 yds receiving and 10 TDs. I won't say easily but those numbers are less than Moreno in 2013 for context.

That is Top 5-8 RB territory with nothing really other than injury risk so personally I would draft him after Charles/McCoy/AP/Forte in redraft and not look back.

 
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I would say the only knock is the fumbles. Its what did hillman in last year. But any starting rb on a pfm team is almost always a top 10 rb

 
A part of Ball's apeal is the rest of the RB depth chart. If Ball was to retire today, I'd pass of the rest of these guys.
Well yeah, but in that offense any stiff could put up FF relevant numbers. Not saying Ball is a stiff, but they could plug in anyone to run against dime defenses behind that line if it's healthy.
I have 0 faith in CJ Anderson. Hillman is not built to be a week to week option consistently. He's a commitee back only. If I was desperate, sure. But count me out after Ball.
Why no faith in Anderson? The Broncos liked him enough to keep him on the 53-man roster last season despite him being an UDFA who was guaranteed to miss the first part of the season to injury, and who was unlikely to see the field even after he got back (Anderson received just 21 snaps last year). The reason they kept him is because they liked him long-term and didn't want to put him on the practice squad and risk losing him to another team with a waiver claim. That's certainly a pretty solid vote of confidence in Anderson. For perspective, Denver gave a similar vote of confidence to Julius Thomas in 2012- they kept him on the 53-man roster despite him being virtually guaranteed to be a non-factor that season owing to injury and missed practice time. Worked out pretty well in the case of Julius.

I wouldn't bet on him unseating Ball, although it certainly wouldn't be the most shocking thing I had ever seen. If Ball were to go down and Anderson were given the job, though, I'd start him pretty much every week as my RB2 or as a monster flex.
None if that makes him a talent. He's a better Lance Ball
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I don't get that article. They didn't try to establish Anderson. They gave him the ball a few times when the game was out of hand.

He must be bad with his non-touch assignments. Because he looks great every time he's got the ball in his hands.

 
I don't get that article. They didn't try to establish Anderson. They gave him the ball a few times when the game was out of hand.

He must be bad with his non-touch assignments. Because he looks great every time he's got the ball in his hands.
I honestly don't get it either... Anderson did well with his carries too. Hes done well all year when giving carries, maybe they just don't want to give him the load... idk its football most coaches make somewhat odd choices to shelve guys (looking at you ATL and many others)

 
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Jeff Legwold expects the Broncos to use a "hot-hand" approach at running back.

Ronnie Hillman has been the hot-hand to this point, and will get the bulk of the carries in Sunday's game against Oakland. It leaves the potential for Montee Ball to regain his starting job if Hillman starts to struggle. Ball has shed 12 pounds since his Week 5 groin injury, and reportedly looked impressive during practice. Hillman was held to 16 yards on 10 carries in last week's loss.

Related: Montee Ball

Source: ESPN.com

Nov 8 - 4:15 PM
 
Ball gets the start next week?
If we're throwing guesses around... my money is on Ball. Too much buzz about how impressed the coaches were with how he looked in practice... PRACTICE (as AI would say)... almost like they were already setting us up for it.

 
Considering Anderson looked better and made more on his own in his first game with substantial work than Ball or Hillman have ever done you'd have to think they'll at least think about giving him some more.

Could be really messy for the next several weeks.

 
Considering Anderson looked better and made more on his own in his first game with substantial work than Ball or Hillman have ever done you'd have to think they'll at least think about giving him some more.

Could be really messy for the next several weeks.
Anderson has looked good just about every time he's had the opportunity, but the staff has continued to bury him behind COP styl RB Ronnie Hillman--including when they came out in the 3rd quarter today. they actually gave him an opp today despite trying to shoe-horn Hillman back in the o so maybe it changes going forward. But Anderson has been the most impressive Denver RB when it comes to running the ball

 
Considering Anderson looked better and made more on his own in his first game with substantial work than Ball or Hillman have ever done you'd have to think they'll at least think about giving him some more.

Could be really messy for the next several weeks.
Yep, right when people can't afford to lose games too for fantasy football. I'm staying away in droves.

 
I don't even know where to discuss this issue.

I figure Ball must come back to his starting role with a decent dose (1/3rd) of CJA, until Hillman comes back, then Hillman steps back in for CJA and Ball remains the starter. Ball's effectiveness will play a factor.

Based on this I think the back to get is Ball but don't expect anything much, especially once Hillman returns. I also would not be surprised if Hillman misses just one week.

 
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