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Broncos tryout Chad Jackson and Vernand Morrency on Wednesday (1 Viewer)
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two_dollars
Footballguy
Chad Jackson has good hands and he's built well. If that guy had ANY fire in his heart at all, he'd be a top 20 WR.
SSOG
Moderator
I'm a UF homer, and I saw a lot of Chad Jackson. I was floored that he was considered a 1st round type WR coming out. How can the fastest WR at the combine averages 10 yards per reception his senior year AGAINST COLLEGE COMPETITION? If you can't dominate at the college level, I don't know how you can expect to cut it at the NFL level, combine numbers be damned.
Of course, for what it's worth, I said the same thing about Mario Williams coming out, too...
Of course, for what it's worth, I said the same thing about Mario Williams coming out, too...
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Desean Jackson is very close to fitting the bold description as well, fwiw. He averaged 11.7 ypc his senior year and ran a 4.35 40.SSOG said:I'm a UF homer, and I saw a lot of Chad Jackson. I was floored that he was considered a 1st round type WR coming out. How can the fastest WR at the combine averages 10 yards per reception his senior year AGAINST COLLEGE COMPETITION? If you can't dominate at the college level, I don't know how you can expect to cut it at the NFL level, combine numbers be damned.
Of course, for what it's worth, I said the same thing about Mario Williams coming out, too...
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Shanahan looking for insight into the Patriots playbook from Jackson ahead of MNF?
A standard ploy of Belichick, Mangini and other coaches; bring in a scrub, pick his brains, and show him the door.
A standard ploy of Belichick, Mangini and other coaches; bring in a scrub, pick his brains, and show him the door.
Boston
Footballguy
As a Pats fan I hope Shanny is picking Jackson's brain...since he didn't know the playbook when he was a Patriot he'll be getting the wrong info.As much as the Pats cutting Jackson was a negative the fact that after six weeks 31 other teams have passed on a kid his age gives a very strong indication that he's not NFL material. If the NFL season took place in July in shorts he'd be an All Pro but once the pads go on he's virtually useless.
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
He averaged 22.6/catch the year before for Zook. In the version of Meyer's offense that they ran for Chris Leak, Jackson was asked to be a possession receiver and he responded by setting the UF record for receptions. That is dominating.SSOG said:
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
I did think of Morency (and even Noah Herron, dunno what he's up to) the other day and wondered why he hadn't gotten attention. Morency is a pretty good blocker, can catch and run a bit. He will make someone's roster again.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
The big question for me is: What is the hole that Shanny perceives in his RBs that Morency would fill? I'm honestly surprised since I would see Pittman and Morency filling a similar role - veterans that would play in passing downs to protect Cutler or catch passes, and act as generally smart RBs. You'd want to pair those types with an upside and/or goal line back I would think. Anyway, there I go wasting time trying to get in Shannahan's head. Ugh...
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Exactly. As a fellow Gator homer, this was 100% a product of the role he was asked to play. Freshman and Sophomore years he was a downfield threat, but his Junior year he was asked to be a possession, underneath type receiver. Don't you remember, what did Florida do on EVERY 3rd down an 8 that year? 8 yard hitch to Chad.So much so that his nickname changed from "Big Play Chad" his sophomore year to "Quick Hitch Chad" his junior year.If anything, I thought it was impressive that he showed he could fulfill both roles. He has excellent ball skills, I thought he'd end up doing well in the pros. I'm not sure how much the early ACL tear held him back.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
If they are trying to sign Morency, then that doesn't bode well for Torain's status this year. 
chris1969
Footballguy
It's a ploy to motivate him.
Islanders rule
Footballguy
I believe Torain will be the man in the Bronco backfield weeks 10 - 17 and the playoffs if they make it. Shannahan used up a roster spot to keep Torain active the 1st half of the season when he could have IR's him. That say's a lot in my opinion.Fire up the Torian train!!!!
SSOG
Moderator
I could be wrong, but Jackson wasn't viewed as a deep threat kind of guy coming out. He was viewed as a "get the ball in his hands in space and let him create" kind of guy. It wasn't his straight-line speed that led to him being drafted so high. Not so with Chad Jackson.Desean Jackson is very close to fitting the bold description as well, fwiw. He averaged 11.7 ypc his senior year and ran a 4.35 40.SSOG said:I'm a UF homer, and I saw a lot of Chad Jackson. I was floored that he was considered a 1st round type WR coming out. How can the fastest WR at the combine averages 10 yards per reception his senior year AGAINST COLLEGE COMPETITION? If you can't dominate at the college level, I don't know how you can expect to cut it at the NFL level, combine numbers be damned.
Of course, for what it's worth, I said the same thing about Mario Williams coming out, too...
Dominating? Please. 75+% of his catches were slip screens, bubble screens, shovel passes, or quick hitches. *I* could catch 88 screen passes against college competition. It's not like it's dominating to be able to get open on a 1-step drop.He did average 22 a catch with Zook. On 29 grabs. As a one-trick pony that was the 3rd or 4th option most of the time behind Small, Caldwell, and sometimes Baker- three guys who, it might be noted, were never considered 1st round talents. Probably because they couldn't touch his 40 time.
Generally, I think the average college football fan overrates players from his own school in a big way. They don't watch every other game by every other school. They don't know just how elite the other elite talents out there are- all they know is how dominant the guys at Hometown U looked. So when a guy gets a 1st round grade coming out and his own fans scratch their heads and wonder how, that's a pretty good indication that the guy wasn't that good in college. Jackson was a nice receiver, but he wasn't even as good of a college receiver as Dallas Baker or Andre Caldwell.
Same thing that was always wrong with him. He's just not that talented.
Doesn't mean a thing. Shanahan brings in several vets a week for workouts. They're always guys he had rated highly coming out of college, and it's always for the purpose of updating their extensive dossiers. It rarely amounts to anything, and it certainly doesn't signal anything about his faith in his current roster composition. For some unfathomable reason, 14 times a season it's just a minor footnote and twice a season the media decides to make it its own story. If Shanahan thought a position needed shoring up, he'd be making signings, not arranging workouts (see Mustard, Chad).If they are trying to sign Morency, then that doesn't bode well for Torain's status this year.
