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Broncos WR David Kircus arrested for second-degree assault (1 Viewer)

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Written by: AP ¦ 5/21/2007

Source: msn.foxsports.com

Broncos receiver David Kircus, who resumed his NFL career last season after spending a year away from football working in a fast-food shop, was arrested Monday on suspicion of second-degree assault.

Kircus got into an argument when he was asked to leave a party early Sunday, hit a man and broke bones in his face, the Arapahoe County Sheriff's Department said.

Kircus was released on $6,000 bail and ordered to appear in court Tuesday, the sheriff's department said. If convicted, he could be sentenced to two to six years in prison.

His lawyer, Harvey Steinberg, and agent, Josh Wright, did not immediately return calls.

Coach Mike Shanahan said the team will await the outcome of the legal process before making any decision on Kircus' status.

"Obviously, if he didn't handle himself the right way, he won't be with us," Shanahan said of the backup receiver and return specialist who joined the team last season.

Kircus had been invited to a party at a home in suburban Centennial, but got into a disagreement with the woman who invited him, authorities said. The man who owned the home was struck in the face after repeatedly asking Kircus to leave, the sheriff's office said.

The man was treated at a hospital, Sheriff Grayson Robinson said. The man's condition and the extent of his injuries were not available and his name was not released.

The 27-year-old Kircus had nine receptions for a team-leading 20.8 yards-per-catch average and returned six punts for a 14.3-yard average last season.

Kircus met with Shanahan on Monday before heading to the sheriff's department to stand in a photo lineup while his teammates participated in passing camp. The coach said what Kircus told him was "a much different story from obviously what came across from the other person."

"Let's wait for the due process to take care of itself and find out if he's guilty or not," Shanahan said. "If he's guilty, then he'll pay the penalty. If not, obviously, he'll be with us."

Kircus is the second Broncos receiver to run afoul of the law this offseason. Brandon Marshall was arrested in March on suspicion of domestic violence.

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surpised this wasn't already here.
 
Good lord, what is coming of this league. It's turning into the NBA. I hope Goodell keeps up with his stern punnishments to get this crap out of the league.

 
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I think it's pretty funny how everyone's all outraged and indignant, convinced that the NFL is a league of thugs and yahoos.

Newsflash: there are 1696 players in the NFL (1920 if you count practice squads). If 30 NFL players get arrested per season, that's 1.8%- that's less people than on average in the population as a whole. In other words, the average NFL player is LESS LIKELY TO GET ARRESTED THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON NOT IN THE NFL. This comes despite the fact that the socioeconomic background of the average NFL player is actually worse than that of the Average Joe, and socioeconomic background has one of the strongest correlations with arrests.

In other words, despite coming from worse backgrounds than the Average Joe, NFL players are LESS LIKELY to get arrested than the Average Joe. They also donate far more time and money to charity than the Average Joe (even than the Rich Joe who makes a comparable amount of money). Lower crime rate despite worse background, higher instance of philanthropy... it sounds like our problem isn't that we need to clean up the NFL, our problem is that we need to make society as a whole as clean as the NFL is.

 
I think it's pretty funny how everyone's all outraged and indignant, convinced that the NFL is a league of thugs and yahoos.

Newsflash: there are 1696 players in the NFL (1920 if you count practice squads). If 30 NFL players get arrested per season, that's 1.8%- that's less people than on average in the population as a whole. In other words, the average NFL player is LESS LIKELY TO GET ARRESTED THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON NOT IN THE NFL. This comes despite the fact that the socioeconomic background of the average NFL player is actually worse than that of the Average Joe, and socioeconomic background has one of the strongest correlations with arrests.

In other words, despite coming from worse backgrounds than the Average Joe, NFL players are LESS LIKELY to get arrested than the Average Joe. They also donate far more time and money to charity than the Average Joe (even than the Rich Joe who makes a comparable amount of money). Lower crime rate despite worse background, higher instance of philanthropy... it sounds like our problem isn't that we need to clean up the NFL, our problem is that we need to make society as a whole as clean as the NFL is.
If you want to start by giving everyone the same advantages as the NFL players have, :confused:
 
I think it's pretty funny how everyone's all outraged and indignant, convinced that the NFL is a league of thugs and yahoos.

Newsflash: there are 1696 players in the NFL (1920 if you count practice squads). If 30 NFL players get arrested per season, that's 1.8%- that's less people than on average in the population as a whole. In other words, the average NFL player is LESS LIKELY TO GET ARRESTED THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON NOT IN THE NFL. This comes despite the fact that the socioeconomic background of the average NFL player is actually worse than that of the Average Joe, and socioeconomic background has one of the strongest correlations with arrests.

In other words, despite coming from worse backgrounds than the Average Joe, NFL players are LESS LIKELY to get arrested than the Average Joe. They also donate far more time and money to charity than the Average Joe (even than the Rich Joe who makes a comparable amount of money). Lower crime rate despite worse background, higher instance of philanthropy... it sounds like our problem isn't that we need to clean up the NFL, our problem is that we need to make society as a whole as clean as the NFL is.
If you want to start by giving everyone the same advantages as the NFL players have, :confused:
+1
 
I think it's pretty funny how everyone's all outraged and indignant, convinced that the NFL is a league of thugs and yahoos.

Newsflash: there are 1696 players in the NFL (1920 if you count practice squads). If 30 NFL players get arrested per season, that's 1.8%- that's less people than on average in the population as a whole. In other words, the average NFL player is LESS LIKELY TO GET ARRESTED THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON NOT IN THE NFL. This comes despite the fact that the socioeconomic background of the average NFL player is actually worse than that of the Average Joe, and socioeconomic background has one of the strongest correlations with arrests.

In other words, despite coming from worse backgrounds than the Average Joe, NFL players are LESS LIKELY to get arrested than the Average Joe. They also donate far more time and money to charity than the Average Joe (even than the Rich Joe who makes a comparable amount of money). Lower crime rate despite worse background, higher instance of philanthropy... it sounds like our problem isn't that we need to clean up the NFL, our problem is that we need to make society as a whole as clean as the NFL is.
It seems to me most of the arrests are drug or violence (incl domestic) related. Does narrowing the arrest/crime rate to only those change the equation?To support your allegation please link to police arresting more than 5 million people per year (this should obviously not include persons apprehended for illegally entering the country as they do not count in the census).

In addition - is 30 the correct number? Please list incidents from 2006 involving NFL players (can this be found at the turd watch at PFT?)

I neither agree nor disagree with the statement above at this point. I await data that back up or deny the allegations made before I make that determination.

 
I think it's pretty funny how everyone's all outraged and indignant, convinced that the NFL is a league of thugs and yahoos.

Newsflash: there are 1696 players in the NFL (1920 if you count practice squads). If 30 NFL players get arrested per season, that's 1.8%- that's less people than on average in the population as a whole. In other words, the average NFL player is LESS LIKELY TO GET ARRESTED THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON NOT IN THE NFL. This comes despite the fact that the socioeconomic background of the average NFL player is actually worse than that of the Average Joe, and socioeconomic background has one of the strongest correlations with arrests.

In other words, despite coming from worse backgrounds than the Average Joe, NFL players are LESS LIKELY to get arrested than the Average Joe. They also donate far more time and money to charity than the Average Joe (even than the Rich Joe who makes a comparable amount of money). Lower crime rate despite worse background, higher instance of philanthropy... it sounds like our problem isn't that we need to clean up the NFL, our problem is that we need to make society as a whole as clean as the NFL is.
Beat me to it, although I was going to guestimate about 2200 NFL active NFL players right now.
 
I think it's pretty funny how everyone's all outraged and indignant, convinced that the NFL is a league of thugs and yahoos.

Newsflash: there are 1696 players in the NFL (1920 if you count practice squads). If 30 NFL players get arrested per season, that's 1.8%- that's less people than on average in the population as a whole. In other words, the average NFL player is LESS LIKELY TO GET ARRESTED THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON NOT IN THE NFL. This comes despite the fact that the socioeconomic background of the average NFL player is actually worse than that of the Average Joe, and socioeconomic background has one of the strongest correlations with arrests.

In other words, despite coming from worse backgrounds than the Average Joe, NFL players are LESS LIKELY to get arrested than the Average Joe. They also donate far more time and money to charity than the Average Joe (even than the Rich Joe who makes a comparable amount of money). Lower crime rate despite worse background, higher instance of philanthropy... it sounds like our problem isn't that we need to clean up the NFL, our problem is that we need to make society as a whole as clean as the NFL is.
Where did you get the 30 NFL players arrested number from?Link to "the average person" making it rain to the tune of $80k please.

Link to "the average person" financing a 60+ fighting dog farm please.

Link to "the average person" paying a hit man to murder his pregnant girlfriend please.

Yes, these guys do some of the same stupid #### that other people their age do, but the fact is that their unique buying power is at least as much of the problem as anything else. A lot of these guys have far more money than brains or scruples. Look at the number of them arrested for trafficking large amounts of drugs - again, something the average loser won't be able to swing - just because they're desperate to maintain their lifestyle.

There's a reason why you or I or the people we know weren't in a position to get arrested at a night club at 3:30 a.m. on a Wednesday morning. It's because we had a real job that we had to sleep and wake up for at 6:00 a.m. Their money and status insulate them from consequences, and frankly whatever the arrest number is I'm sure it's low - that only accounts for the incidents we know about.

 
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I think it's pretty funny how everyone's all outraged and indignant, convinced that the NFL is a league of thugs and yahoos.

Newsflash: there are 1696 players in the NFL (1920 if you count practice squads). If 30 NFL players get arrested per season, that's 1.8%- that's less people than on average in the population as a whole. In other words, the average NFL player is LESS LIKELY TO GET ARRESTED THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON NOT IN THE NFL. This comes despite the fact that the socioeconomic background of the average NFL player is actually worse than that of the Average Joe, and socioeconomic background has one of the strongest correlations with arrests.

In other words, despite coming from worse backgrounds than the Average Joe, NFL players are LESS LIKELY to get arrested than the Average Joe. They also donate far more time and money to charity than the Average Joe (even than the Rich Joe who makes a comparable amount of money). Lower crime rate despite worse background, higher instance of philanthropy... it sounds like our problem isn't that we need to clean up the NFL, our problem is that we need to make society as a whole as clean as the NFL is.
Where did you get the 30 NFL players arrested number from?
That's what screamed out to me. Didn't the Bengals and Chargers both have 9+ arrests EACH last year? The # of arrests is far higher than 30.
 
I think it's pretty funny how everyone's all outraged and indignant, convinced that the NFL is a league of thugs and yahoos.

Newsflash: there are 1696 players in the NFL (1920 if you count practice squads). If 30 NFL players get arrested per season, that's 1.8%- that's less people than on average in the population as a whole. In other words, the average NFL player is LESS LIKELY TO GET ARRESTED THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON NOT IN THE NFL. This comes despite the fact that the socioeconomic background of the average NFL player is actually worse than that of the Average Joe, and socioeconomic background has one of the strongest correlations with arrests.

In other words, despite coming from worse backgrounds than the Average Joe, NFL players are LESS LIKELY to get arrested than the Average Joe. They also donate far more time and money to charity than the Average Joe (even than the Rich Joe who makes a comparable amount of money). Lower crime rate despite worse background, higher instance of philanthropy... it sounds like our problem isn't that we need to clean up the NFL, our problem is that we need to make society as a whole as clean as the NFL is.
Where did you get the 30 NFL players arrested number from?
That's what screamed out to me. Didn't the Bengals and Chargers both have 9+ arrests EACH last year? The # of arrests is far higher than 30.
:boxing: Excluding situations where a player is charged with something, assuming someone is innocent until proven guilty, the number of arrests/guilty pleas since Feb 6,2007 is actually right at 30 including one coach.

EDIT: If in reference to a season, then yes, this number will be a low ball estimate. We can only assume that Ahmad Carroll will be found guilty along with a few others.

 
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I think it's pretty funny how everyone's all outraged and indignant, convinced that the NFL is a league of thugs and yahoos.

Newsflash: there are 1696 players in the NFL (1920 if you count practice squads). If 30 NFL players get arrested per season, that's 1.8%- that's less people than on average in the population as a whole. In other words, the average NFL player is LESS LIKELY TO GET ARRESTED THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON NOT IN THE NFL. This comes despite the fact that the socioeconomic background of the average NFL player is actually worse than that of the Average Joe, and socioeconomic background has one of the strongest correlations with arrests.

In other words, despite coming from worse backgrounds than the Average Joe, NFL players are LESS LIKELY to get arrested than the Average Joe. They also donate far more time and money to charity than the Average Joe (even than the Rich Joe who makes a comparable amount of money). Lower crime rate despite worse background, higher instance of philanthropy... it sounds like our problem isn't that we need to clean up the NFL, our problem is that we need to make society as a whole as clean as the NFL is.
Where did you get the 30 NFL players arrested number from?
That's what screamed out to me. Didn't the Bengals and Chargers both have 9+ arrests EACH last year? The # of arrests is far higher than 30.
:thumbup: Excluding situations where a player is charged with something, assuming someone is innocent until proven guilty, the number of arrests/guilty pleas since Feb 6,2007 is actually right at 30 including one coach.

EDIT: If in reference to a season, then yes, this number will be a low ball estimate. We can only assume that Ahmad Carroll will be found guilty along with a few others.
Is your date correct? Since Feb 6, 2007 there have been 30 pleas/arrests? So in a little over 3 months there have been 30 arrests which extrapolates to about 120 in a year.You can play games with #'s all you want, if a player get community service for an arrest does that count? If they plead to a lesser offense does that count? Perception is reality and if NFL players were getting arrested at a lower rate than the general population I doubt that Goodell would be on such a warpath with regard to player conduct.

 
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I think it's pretty funny how everyone's all outraged and indignant, convinced that the NFL is a league of thugs and yahoos.

Newsflash: there are 1696 players in the NFL (1920 if you count practice squads). If 30 NFL players get arrested per season, that's 1.8%- that's less people than on average in the population as a whole. In other words, the average NFL player is LESS LIKELY TO GET ARRESTED THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON NOT IN THE NFL. This comes despite the fact that the socioeconomic background of the average NFL player is actually worse than that of the Average Joe, and socioeconomic background has one of the strongest correlations with arrests.

In other words, despite coming from worse backgrounds than the Average Joe, NFL players are LESS LIKELY to get arrested than the Average Joe. They also donate far more time and money to charity than the Average Joe (even than the Rich Joe who makes a comparable amount of money). Lower crime rate despite worse background, higher instance of philanthropy... it sounds like our problem isn't that we need to clean up the NFL, our problem is that we need to make society as a whole as clean as the NFL is.
Where did you get the 30 NFL players arrested number from?
That's what screamed out to me. Didn't the Bengals and Chargers both have 9+ arrests EACH last year? The # of arrests is far higher than 30.
:thumbup: Excluding situations where a player is charged with something, assuming someone is innocent until proven guilty, the number of arrests/guilty pleas since Feb 6,2007 is actually right at 30 including one coach.

EDIT: If in reference to a season, then yes, this number will be a low ball estimate. We can only assume that Ahmad Carroll will be found guilty along with a few others.
Is this a significant period? Why not expand back to May 22nd 2006 and compare with total number of arrests in the US in the same period if that number can be found?
 
I think it's pretty funny how everyone's all outraged and indignant, convinced that the NFL is a league of thugs and yahoos.

Newsflash: there are 1696 players in the NFL (1920 if you count practice squads). If 30 NFL players get arrested per season, that's 1.8%- that's less people than on average in the population as a whole. In other words, the average NFL player is LESS LIKELY TO GET ARRESTED THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON NOT IN THE NFL. This comes despite the fact that the socioeconomic background of the average NFL player is actually worse than that of the Average Joe, and socioeconomic background has one of the strongest correlations with arrests.

In other words, despite coming from worse backgrounds than the Average Joe, NFL players are LESS LIKELY to get arrested than the Average Joe. They also donate far more time and money to charity than the Average Joe (even than the Rich Joe who makes a comparable amount of money). Lower crime rate despite worse background, higher instance of philanthropy... it sounds like our problem isn't that we need to clean up the NFL, our problem is that we need to make society as a whole as clean as the NFL is.
Where did you get the 30 NFL players arrested number from?
That's what screamed out to me. Didn't the Bengals and Chargers both have 9+ arrests EACH last year? The # of arrests is far higher than 30.
:2cents: Excluding situations where a player is charged with something, assuming someone is innocent until proven guilty, the number of arrests/guilty pleas since Feb 6,2007 is actually right at 30 including one coach.

EDIT: If in reference to a season, then yes, this number will be a low ball estimate. We can only assume that Ahmad Carroll will be found guilty along with a few others.
Is this a significant period? Why not expand back to May 22nd 2006 and compare with total number of arrests in the US in the same period if that number can be found?
Well because he specifically stated a season's worth of time. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt here and say he scaled his statistics for the average population to the same time length.
 
redman said:
I think it's pretty funny how everyone's all outraged and indignant, convinced that the NFL is a league of thugs and yahoos.

Newsflash: there are 1696 players in the NFL (1920 if you count practice squads). If 30 NFL players get arrested per season, that's 1.8%- that's less people than on average in the population as a whole. In other words, the average NFL player is LESS LIKELY TO GET ARRESTED THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON NOT IN THE NFL. This comes despite the fact that the socioeconomic background of the average NFL player is actually worse than that of the Average Joe, and socioeconomic background has one of the strongest correlations with arrests.

In other words, despite coming from worse backgrounds than the Average Joe, NFL players are LESS LIKELY to get arrested than the Average Joe. They also donate far more time and money to charity than the Average Joe (even than the Rich Joe who makes a comparable amount of money). Lower crime rate despite worse background, higher instance of philanthropy... it sounds like our problem isn't that we need to clean up the NFL, our problem is that we need to make society as a whole as clean as the NFL is.
Where did you get the 30 NFL players arrested number from?Link to "the average person" making it rain to the tune of $80k please.

Link to "the average person" financing a 60+ fighting dog farm please.

Link to "the average person" paying a hit man to murder his pregnant girlfriend please.

Yes, these guys do some of the same stupid #### that other people their age do, but the fact is that their unique buying power is at least as much of the problem as anything else. A lot of these guys have far more money than brains or scruples. Look at the number of them arrested for trafficking large amounts of drugs - again, something the average loser won't be able to swing - just because they're desperate to maintain their lifestyle.

There's a reason why you or I or the people we know weren't in a position to get arrested at a night club at 3:30 a.m. on a Wednesday morning. It's because we had a real job that we had to sleep and wake up for at 6:00 a.m. Their money and status insulate them from consequences, and frankly whatever the arrest number is I'm sure it's low - that only accounts for the incidents we know about.
The nature of the crime may differ, but how many NFL players do you see get arrested for identity theft, or for burglary? Again, the nature of the crimes are obviously strongly influenced by a person's social and economic status, but the instance of lawlessness for NFL players remains lower than that for the population as a whole.There is this perception that NFL players are "thugs"... but if NFL players are "thugs", then I fear for our society that we fail to live up to standards set by hooligans.

 
redman said:
I think it's pretty funny how everyone's all outraged and indignant, convinced that the NFL is a league of thugs and yahoos.

Newsflash: there are 1696 players in the NFL (1920 if you count practice squads). If 30 NFL players get arrested per season, that's 1.8%- that's less people than on average in the population as a whole. In other words, the average NFL player is LESS LIKELY TO GET ARRESTED THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON NOT IN THE NFL. This comes despite the fact that the socioeconomic background of the average NFL player is actually worse than that of the Average Joe, and socioeconomic background has one of the strongest correlations with arrests.

In other words, despite coming from worse backgrounds than the Average Joe, NFL players are LESS LIKELY to get arrested than the Average Joe. They also donate far more time and money to charity than the Average Joe (even than the Rich Joe who makes a comparable amount of money). Lower crime rate despite worse background, higher instance of philanthropy... it sounds like our problem isn't that we need to clean up the NFL, our problem is that we need to make society as a whole as clean as the NFL is.
Where did you get the 30 NFL players arrested number from?Link to "the average person" making it rain to the tune of $80k please.

Link to "the average person" financing a 60+ fighting dog farm please.

Link to "the average person" paying a hit man to murder his pregnant girlfriend please.

Yes, these guys do some of the same stupid #### that other people their age do, but the fact is that their unique buying power is at least as much of the problem as anything else. A lot of these guys have far more money than brains or scruples. Look at the number of them arrested for trafficking large amounts of drugs - again, something the average loser won't be able to swing - just because they're desperate to maintain their lifestyle.

There's a reason why you or I or the people we know weren't in a position to get arrested at a night club at 3:30 a.m. on a Wednesday morning. It's because we had a real job that we had to sleep and wake up for at 6:00 a.m. Their money and status insulate them from consequences, and frankly whatever the arrest number is I'm sure it's low - that only accounts for the incidents we know about.
The nature of the crime may differ, but how many NFL players do you see get arrested for identity theft, or for burglary? Again, the nature of the crimes are obviously strongly influenced by a person's social and economic status, but the instance of lawlessness for NFL players remains lower than that for the population as a whole.There is this perception that NFL players are "thugs"... but if NFL players are "thugs", then I fear for our society that we fail to live up to standards set by hooligans.
Again, where did you get the 30 number from?
 
Again, where did you get the 30 number from?
I pulled it out of thin air to illustrate the point, actually, but it's not nearly as far off as you might think. Here's a report that lists the arrest total at 35 players. Someone here cites the total at 36, instead. This SI feature presents the total at 59, but that total is misleading because it runs from Jan '06 to March '07 (only 48 players were listed in the 2006 calender year), and because it also includes a lot of people on the list who had all charges against them dismissed, as well as several people who were coaches, not players. Use whichever of the numbers that you want, but understand that while I underestimated the arrest number (if very slightly), I also underestimated the NFL population as a whole, since it's not as if each team has the same 53 players on its roster for the entire season (and training camp rosters are routinely 80+ players large).
 
I used to work with a guy who claimed that he was a cousin of Kircus. He said that his own family thinks he is a #####!

 
LuckyOne said:
We might be overreacting a bit here....who hasn't gotten into a scrap at a house party? It's part of growing up.
Who here hasn't broken bones in the face of a man while in HIS house after being told to leave several times.
Truly, it could happen to anyone. You've gotta watch out for those faces because if you're not careful they'll come flying right at your hand. :lmao:
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2886222

I found this interesting. Shanny could be a trend setter here. Give the player a lie detector test and if he passes....he stays on the team....fail and you are cut. Very ballsy of Kircus to put his career on the line.

Makes me think back to the Seinfeld episode where George is trying to give Jerry advice on passing the lie detector test in reference to watching Melrose Place......"If you believe it...then it's not a lie Jerry."

 
This is the part that is truly innovative, and honestly quite baffling:

Coach Mike Shanahan, who had pledged to release Kircus if it was determined he was at fault in the fight, said Tuesday that Kircus passed a lie-detector test administered by an expert and will remain with the team regardless of the legal outcome of his case.
So even if Kirus is found guilty in a court of law and sentenced (fine and/or jail time) he'll still be a Bronco because he passed the team-issued lie detector?Skeletor is creating his own little justice system. I can imagine no other head coach in the league with the cajones to even attempt to pull this off...and all for a WR 5/6.

Kircus loyalty to the Broncos: +5

 
This is the part that is truly innovative, and honestly quite baffling:

Coach Mike Shanahan, who had pledged to release Kircus if it was determined he was at fault in the fight, said Tuesday that Kircus passed a lie-detector test administered by an expert and will remain with the team regardless of the legal outcome of his case.
So even if Kirus is found guilty in a court of law and sentenced (fine and/or jail time) he'll still be a Bronco because he passed the team-issued lie detector?Skeletor is creating his own little justice system. I can imagine no other head coach in the league with the cajones to even attempt to pull this off...and all for a WR 5/6.

Kircus loyalty to the Broncos: +5
This lie detector method is a great way of ensuring that you have a roster full of pathological liars. :thumbup:
 

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