Browns Homers And Fans (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

Please just Browns fans and homers here. What's the local feeling on what kind of shot Quinn should get?

I would have loved to see him start this week to see what they had. What's the local buzz?

Thanks.

J

 

[schaef2k]

Local buzz is he might get in at the start of the third maybe to see how far along he is but that's just a rumor or hopeful thinking. Everything I've heard from Savage is that he's gona sit for a while, talking about Palmer and Brady and how they sat.

If Frye comes in and looks as bad as he's been in preseason I think they'll consider him after the bye (week 6).

 

[amnesiac]

i think they were sincere in their plan to wait on putting him in, but i'm starting to get the feeling that the pressure is mounting already, that the fans want to see him play.

it's obvious at this point that no one in the organization has any faith in Frye or Anderson.

if he looks sharp again, especially if they play him earlier in the game, the pressure is going to build even more to rush him into action.

there really is quite a bit of the "what do we have to lose by starting him" mentality going around.

 

[Da Guru]

I will chime in only because my next door neighbor is from Cleveland and is a Brown junkie.

From his view Frye is a lame duck and can do no right with Quinn on the bench, if Quinn screws up he feels that Frye would have done worse, but Quinn is the future. So basically Frye is toast.

 

[Qmaster]

I will chime in only because my next door neighbor is from Cleveland and is a Brown junkie. From his view Frye is a lame duck and can do no right with Quinn on the bench, if Quinn screws up he feels that Frye would have done worse, but Quinn is the future. So basically Frye is toast.

Both newspapers today, Cleveland Plain Dealer and Akron Beacon Journal, sportswriters for both are clamoring for Crennel to let Quinn start with the first string in game Saturday. Crennel says Frye gets the start and Quinn might get to see time with 2nd string in 2nd quarter or 3rd quarter. I realize the idea here is to bring him along slow but what is Quinn going to learn from Derek Anderson and Charlie Frye?? I watched the entire game Saturday night and Quinn was a cool customer in the pocket and made good choices. Yes, yes I know he was playing against 3rd & 4th stringers on defense, but he was also playing WITH 3rd & 4th stringers on offense and he marched them down the field twice like they were champions and barely missed the 2-point conversion that would've been FUN to see the game go into OT.The first 3 quarters of the game the Browns 1st & 2nd string offense simply looked GAWD-AWFUL! I really believe Frye cannot lead this team to any more than a 2-4 record at the bye week and if that is the case, or Browns go 1-5 I think Crennel gets shown the door. Quinn might be his only chance to save his job and give the fans in Cleveland something to get excited about.If not, it's gonna be another lonnnnggggg season.

 

[BGP]

General consensus among the local sports talk radio guys seems to be that Crennel is as good as gone. Lame duck. And from the read I'm getting that seems to be fairly accurate. Just a question of when he is shown the door. Quinn's situation is rather up in the air because of that. Does Crennel rush him out there to try to save his job? Does he try to stick to his vets to save his job? Who can say?

 

[BGP]

I know Trivisonno is upset about the whole thing. Every once in a great while he goes off on a rant because he knows Lerner is bringing Cowher in after this season and he doesn't want Cowher coaching the Browns. I mean, its not "official" official, but behind the scenes he knows what's going on and it'll happen. So he's kinda irritated.

 

[chris1969]

Why have us tell ya when you can have Phil Savage tell ya himself?

http://www.dawgbones.com/Savage1460.mp3

He talks about the QB situation for almost the whole interview.

Vegas odds came out today for the starting QB for week 1

Dorsey 10-1

Anderson 10-1

Quinn 7-2

Frye 2-1

My take is he gets a shot with the starters either this week or next week, but unless he looks like the next Peyton Manning, he will not see a regular season game before week 6.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Please just Browns fans and homers here. What's the local feeling on what kind of shot Quinn should get?

I would have loved to see him start this week to see what they had. What's the local buzz?

Thanks.

J

Doubtful the plan is to throw him to Dre Bly and Champ Bailey, verrrrrrrry doubtful IMHO.I wouldn't concentrate too much on reading the local vibe, I would advise to pay attention to what Phil Savage recently said in a radio interview on how they plan to handle Quinn:

http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=149#s=14...47&t=870053

Savage on 1460

8/21 5 pm

Said QB decisions are "organization-wide decisions" not solely Crennel

Expressed concerns about Pittsburgh defense and New England defense early on for a Quinn start

Stated if Frye and Anderson split time in the Pittsburgh game then that's what happens?

definitely sounds like "development" of Quinn is priority and starting is not an option....

Never was an "intention" for Quinn to start opening day even during draft.

Looking forward to what Quinn can do but the poor play of those in front of him won't force them to play him early "two wrongs don't make a right"

Isn't ruling out Quinn best chance for Browns to win but when he enters a game in the regular season they want that to be it, he is the QB for several years, no back and forth, so won't play until they feel that way.

the more you wait the better chance a young QB can be successful

Also said traditional usual ways of doing things do not necessarily have do be done by the browns this year....ie: may keep 4 QB's

From all acccounts of what Savage said the decision to start Quinn won't reside soley on Romeo Crennel's shoulders. I had heard from the start that the plan was to 'Carson Palmer' Quinn for his rookie season, i.e., sit him for as long as possible. Also if you note his contract. EVERYTHING is determined on number of starts so if you are talking about Quinn's chances of starting his rookie season, if it happens it won't be early on. If you were talking preseason starts then the Browns are playing Denver this week on the road so I doubt they want to crush his confidence by starting him against Bly/Bailey and having them tear him up.

Earliest he'll see the field is after the Brown's bye week but I'm thinking they will try to push it longer and that poor play by Frye/Anderson won't force him in unless they feel he's ready.

 

[chris1969]

bumped for Joe

 

[nxmehta]

If you look closely at what Crennel and Savage are saying about Quinn, it's very very clear that Quinn is not going to start either the next preseason game or the beginning of the regular season. He may get a chance to play with the first teamers before preseason is up, but he's going to be riding the pine for a while. I would offer the following evidence:

1. Crennel's stance: Crennel explicitly stated in press conferences that Frye will start this week, and has said numerous times to probing media questions that while Quinn played well, he operated with a limited offense, does not know the offense as well as the other QBs, and until that happens he's not passing Frye on the depth chart anytime soon. Given Crennel's track record with rookies (particularly those that miss time in training camp- see Travis Wilson and the comments Crennel makes about him even this year: "You don't want to be behind like Wilson"), Quinn is going to be holding a clipboard for a while longer.

2. Savage's stance: In the WTAM interview Savage basically said that he "can't wait" until the quarterback situation is "settled" so that the Browns can start on their road to legitimacy. Clearly he means that he is excited for the QB position to be set with Quinn. He wants Quinn to be the permanent starter once he goes in, and I think it's pretty clear that he wants that to happen ASAP. He expressed public frustration over Quinn's contract holdout (rare for Savage) because he felt it was wasting time. He now says that it may have worked out for the best as Quinn won't be rushed in; however, if the contract situation worked itself out faster I believe Savage would have pushed for Quinn to start game 1 or soon after. In any case, I do worry that there is a dispute here between Savage and Crennel on how quickly Quinn should start- they both seem to use different language and tone when talking about the situation.

3. The schedule for the first 5 games is brutal (PIT, CIN, OAK, BAL, NWE). Frye will take his lumps in these games, and the earliest I see Quinn starting is vs MIA in week 6 (nice grudge match) or STL in week 8 after the bye.

As a Browns fan, I'm patient and don't care when Quinn starts so long as it's sometime this year. Watching Frye get killed out there will make this season kinda boring though :(

Also, the notion that Crennel is 100% gone is completely bizarre. I just don't see it. If we win more games this year Crennel will stay.

 

[Browns Rule!]

My gut instinct, from what I've heard and how I've seen the organization run, is that Frye will start the year. Anderson will be cut, and Brady will back Frye up. The first 4 weeks are extremely important and I don't think the team wants to put Brady in that big of a pressure situation. First off, our line may not be healthy to start the year with Steinbach's bum knee, Thomas still learning, and Tucker suspened the first 4 games.

The team doesn't want another Couch situation. Couch was thrown into game action with a terrible line, he got hit early and often, developed bad habits in fear that he was going to get hit every play, and is now out of the league. That being said, Romeo knows his job is in jeopardy, and if Frye struggles to start the year, I see him putting Quinn in week 5.

 

[Fallerjw]

Not much new to add to this, but I'll try anyhow.

1. Most realistic Browns fans knew that Frye and Anderson were, at best, 2nd string NFL material. The mistakes they've made this preseason were the type of mistakes that rookies would make. Frye has pretty much made the same mistakes from day one. He's proven that he's definitely NOT an NFL starting QB.

2. Very few good things happen when QBs start from day one. Usually a QB in this situation got there by being drafted very high. Being drafted very high means that your surrounding cast is very bad. Typically very bad teams have bad Offensive Lines. While I don't think this years Browns team has a very bad OL, I do think they'll need time to gel. The best thing for Brady would be for him not to start until at least the halfway point of the season.

3. If a young QB has a very solid defense (see Pitt a couple of years ago), and he doesn't need to win games he's more likely to be successful. If he's expected to make all the plays when the team is playing from behind, he's more likely to take sacks, throw ints, etc. The Browns don't really have the type of defense that's going to hold a lot of teams to 10 points or less. They might have some games like that, but I don't think they'll do it regularly.

4. Romeo and Phil don't seem to be on the same page with this situation. Romeo would probably want to wait all season if he could. Phil probably would like to see what Quinn can do as soon as he's comfortable in the offense. Hopefully it'll happen somewhere in between there. I'd like to see Brady get comfortable in the offense. Maybe have a week or two after that to get timing down and then take over.

This will be a very interesting thing to watch as the season unfolds for Browns fans. It's tough to do the right thing, because we know that Charlie and Derek are not the answer. However, we need to be patient, let this situation play itself out and not ruin the guy who has every look of being the franchise QB we've been waiting for.

Gut feeling: Quinn starts Nov 25 against Houston. That leaves his with Houston, Arizona, Jets, Bills, Bengals and 49ers.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

... 2. Very few good things happen when QBs start from day one...

4. Romeo and Phil don't seem to be on the same page with this situation. Romeo would probably want to wait all season if he could. Phil probably would like to see what Quinn can do as soon as he's comfortable in the offense. Hopefully it'll happen somewhere in between there. I'd like to see Brady get comfortable in the offense. Maybe have a week or two after that to get timing down and then take over.

This will be a very interesting thing to watch as the season unfolds for Browns fans. It's tough to do the right thing, because we know that Charlie and Derek are not the answer. However, we need to be patient, let this situation play itself out and not ruin the guy who has every look of being the franchise QB we've been waiting for.

Gut feeling: Quinn starts Nov 25 against Houston. That leaves his with Houston, Arizona, Jets, Bills, Bengals and 49ers.

No harm comes from sitting a rookie QB longer than when he's ready to play but harm can come from starting him too soon and exposing them to things which will set him up to fail. Confidence of the team/fans/coaches and most importantly of all, the rookie QB is tatamount. So far, so good with how Brady has been handled. The incentive laced contract has easily met escalators. 'I believe' the contract said he'd only have to start half or a third of the games his rookie season so I don't see the front office putting him in so he can easily meet those escalators if their is doubt he's ready to start.

I don't think Romeo/Savage are at odds on when to start Quinn. The Tuna mentioned on Monday Night Countdown that he's known Romeo Crennell for 21 years and that he's not going to start a rookie QB till he's proven to Romeo that he's ready to play and that is EXACTLY what Phil Savage has been saying. Phil's standpoint also has to be thinking about giving Quinn escalators so he wants to be 100% certain that when Brady goes in that he'll legitimately earn the incentives.

Romeo wanted to supplant Frye after his rookie season but Savage pushed him onto Romeo last year without any other option. Crennell wants Quinn starting but he's not going to rush him. OC Chudzinski and QB coach Rip Sheerer are anxious to install packages to suit Quinn's abilities since their careers depend on the development of Brady Quinn. Anyone looking to hire these guys are going to scrutinize how well they developed Brady Quinn and how the Browns offense produces, see Charlie Weis/Tom Brady. If you do it right, or get lucky, you can write your own lottery ticket. These guys have the opportunity of a lifetime and they should understand the unique situation they are in so they don't screw it up.

The key with Quinn is long term development not rushing him into action based on fan hysteria. No one expects playoffs this year for the Browns and Quinn won't see the field just because Frye/Anderson continue to prove they are not starting NFL caliber QBs.

 

[Peak]

If you look closely at what Crennel and Savage are saying about Quinn, it's very very clear that Quinn is not going to start either the next preseason game or the beginning of the regular season. He may get a chance to play with the first teamers before preseason is up, but he's going to be riding the pine for a while. I would offer the following evidence:1. Crennel's stance: Crennel explicitly stated in press conferences that Frye will start this week, and has said numerous times to probing media questions that while Quinn played well, he operated with a limited offense, does not know the offense as well as the other QBs, and until that happens he's not passing Frye on the depth chart anytime soon. Given Crennel's track record with rookies (particularly those that miss time in training camp- see Travis Wilson and the comments Crennel makes about him even this year: "You don't want to be behind like Wilson"), Quinn is going to be holding a clipboard for a while longer.2. Savage's stance: In the WTAM interview Savage basically said that he "can't wait" until the quarterback situation is "settled" so that the Browns can start on their road to legitimacy. Clearly he means that he is excited for the QB position to be set with Quinn. He wants Quinn to be the permanent starter once he goes in, and I think it's pretty clear that he wants that to happen ASAP. He expressed public frustration over Quinn's contract holdout (rare for Savage) because he felt it was wasting time. He now says that it may have worked out for the best as Quinn won't be rushed in; however, if the contract situation worked itself out faster I believe Savage would have pushed for Quinn to start game 1 or soon after. In any case, I do worry that there is a dispute here between Savage and Crennel on how quickly Quinn should start- they both seem to use different language and tone when talking about the situation.3. The schedule for the first 5 games is brutal (PIT, CIN, OAK, BAL, NWE). Frye will take his lumps in these games, and the earliest I see Quinn starting is vs MIA in week 6 (nice grudge match) or STL in week 8 after the bye.As a Browns fan, I'm patient and don't care when Quinn starts so long as it's sometime this year. Watching Frye get killed out there will make this season kinda boring though Also, the notion that Crennel is 100% gone is completely bizarre. I just don't see it. If we win more games this year Crennel will stay.

IMO, If Quinn shines during his on field time versus Denver, he may well get the chance to play with the first team for a series during the last pre-season game. As a Browns fan, I can't wait to see him on the field. We know what we have in Frye and Anderson ( ), but Quinn is still an anomally. Having said that, I don't expect to see him until the Miami game at the earliest.

 

[Bobcat10]

Not much to add as there is alot of good info in here already. More of the Quinn hype is based on what Frye and Anderson are doing (or NOT doing, like scoring TDs in preseason games), not just what Quinn did in limited action last game. That's why I've stayed out of the Quinn threads here because I don't want to argue about that.

One thing I think most would agree with at this moment, Quinn won't get his first start within the 1st 5 games (definitely not Balt or NE, 4 and 5), or @ Pitt on Nov 11th, or @ Balt Nov 18th.

I think I agree with whoever said Nov 25th vs Houston, assuming Romeo is in charge. If Romeo is fired on the bye week, I could see Quinn Oct 28th @ STL or Nov 4th vs Seattle. Miami is also a possibility right before the bye week since it's at home and we could be 1-4.

 

[amnesiac]

logically, sitting Quinn makes sense.

the 'buzz' i'm getting though, is that the fans are growing very frustrated that all the improvements that have been made to the team are not resulting in a better product on the field.

coupled with the fact that it's obvious to nearly everyone that even the coaching staff doesn't believe in the veteran QBs they have, it's very difficult for the fans to remain patient. if you listen to the verbiage about the QB battle, they are essentially saying "hey, it's not our fault, our QBs SUCK"

to be honest, they have no one to blame but themselves, 1. for running Trent Dilfer out of town, and 2. not signing another verteran to replace him.

 

[amnesiac]

a bit of a tangent, but i'd also like to add something about Crennel;

i'm not saying that his job isn't in some jeopardy, after all, he's an NFL head coach, on a losing team.

but i have not heard a single comment by Savage, or anyone else in the Browns organization about that possibility.

 

[s_ezy]

at both preseason games every time either Frye or Anderson messed up the crowd would be chanting "Brady, Brady"

when he stepped onto in the fourth quarter of last game i can't recall hearing the crowd give a loader ovasion.

not sure if this info help you Joe, but management can't afford to lose the fans this year and the fans definately want Brady as the man with ball.

 

[mr blond]

The talk is that whoever loses the QB competition, Frye or Anderson, will not be on the team for the season. Apparently, Ken Dorsey and Quinn have developed a great relationship and the Browns would like Dorsey to serve as the veteran role model for the rookie Quinn. If the Browns enter the season with Frye (or Anderson), Quinn and Dorsey as their 3 QB's, my money is Quinn seeing action sooner (week 6) rather than later. Browns fans will burn the stadium down if the team is 0-5/1-4 with Frye performing poorly while Quinn is sitting on the bench.

I think keeping Dorsey over Frye or Anderson in any situation is bad, but definetely so if the Browns intentions for Quinn are to sit him all/most of the season. In no circumstance should Dorsey see playing time over Frye, Anderson or Quinn.

IMO, the Browns have mismanaged this QB situation dating back to their decision not to go after a veteran QB in the offseason, and up to Crennel's "coin flip" decisions and unwillingness to play Quinn versus first-teamers in a preseason game.

 

[Bobcat10]

a bit of a tangent, but i'd also like to add something about Crennel;i'm not saying that his job isn't in some jeopardy, after all, he's an NFL head coach, on a losing team.but i have not heard a single comment by Savage, or anyone else in the Browns organization about that possibility.

That's exactly what you should hear since they didn't fire him after last season.

 

[BGP]

2. Very few good things happen when QBs start from day one. Usually a QB in this situation got there by being drafted very high. Being drafted very high means that your surrounding cast is very bad.

That doesn't always happen. Peyton Manning went to a pretty good team and a pretty good offense and OL because the Colts just had a horribly unlucky season the year prior. John Elway went to the Broncos because he refused to play for the Colts and essentially demanded a trade that sent him to a winning organization.

 

[Fallerjw]

2. Very few good things happen when QBs start from day one. Usually a QB in this situation got there by being drafted very high. Being drafted very high means that your surrounding cast is very bad.

That doesn't always happen. Peyton Manning went to a pretty good team and a pretty good offense and OL because the Colts just had a horribly unlucky season the year prior. John Elway went to the Broncos because he refused to play for the Colts and essentially demanded a trade that sent him to a winning organization.

Yes, you're right. That doesn't always happen. This is another case where that could have been true. Quinn was drafted with the 22nd pick. More often than not the 22nd pick is owned by a team that made the playoffs the year before. The Browns just happened to trade for it this past draft. I should have said, typically a QB in that situation has a bad supporting cast, however that's not always the case.