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Bruce Gradkowski vs Chris Simms (1 Viewer)
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
GRuden loves Simms and Simms did a pretty good job making Galloway look pretty darn good last year. I'm a believer...
semaj33
bloodwashed
yeah ron that would be amazing...i am not sure it will happen that soon, but he seems to have all the tools...
code
Footballguy
Wow, now that's good shtick...post a thread on Davenport to the Steelers when there's a 20-post one already at the top of the list, get the HONDA flag, rewrite the thread into a QB discussion...<guiness guys>BRILLIANT</guiness guys>
I don't have an answer to your question, but I find this amusing:
or does simms get time to develop because of his name?
This is the story of Chris Simms since college. You might remember, the clowns at Texas kept trying to make Simms the starter even though he wasn't that great. Simms would suck for awhile, then Major Applewhite would step in and play better.
But "Applewhite" isn't the name of an ex-NFL QB, so...
or does simms get time to develop because of his name?
This is the story of Chris Simms since college. You might remember, the clowns at Texas kept trying to make Simms the starter even though he wasn't that great. Simms would suck for awhile, then Major Applewhite would step in and play better.
But "Applewhite" isn't the name of an ex-NFL QB, so...
semaj33
bloodwashed
there is something wrong with my Mac and the search function for FBG doesn't work properly and i get some error message...unfortunetly, i have had to do that more than once...glad to hear from you again however...code said:Wow, now that's good shtick...post a thread on Davenport to the Steelers when there's a 20-post one already at the top of the list, get the HONDA flag, rewrite the thread into a QB discussion...<guiness guys>BRILLIANT</guiness guys>code said:
enlighten me on the honda flag...that one is new to me...
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oddball
Smart
So, by that logic, Timmy Chang should be starting for the colts? Not cut by the Cards, and currently listed as 3rd QB on the eagles depth charts?Records are great, but not everything. I think Simms, leader of the Bucs into the playoffs in his first year starting, is going to surprise some people this year.semaj33 said:
code
Footballguy
Is this shtick too?...if not read item #1And I'm giving credit where credit is due...lightening fast turnaround into a new and meaningful topic...strong work...there is something wrong with my Mac and the search function for FBG doesn't work properly and i get some error message...unfortunetly, i have had to do that more than once...glad to hear from you again however...code said:Wow, now that's good shtick...post a thread on Davenport to the Steelers when there's a 20-post one already at the top of the list, get the HONDA flag, rewrite the thread into a QB discussion...<guiness guys>BRILLIANT</guiness guys>code said:
enlighten me on the honda flag...that one is new to me...
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I kept hearing all preseason from TB homers how "great" Simms will be and that top 10 status wouldn't be suprising. Now people can see him being benched by week 9? That's a pretty huge difference in opinion on Simms. So which is it?
Slinger
Footballguy
semaj33 isn't a homer.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I would be interested in hearing more about Grad. I did not get a chance to see him in college or preseason, I just saw the stats (which were impressive). From what I have read he is mobile, accurate, and makes good decisions.
Can anyone add to my knowledge bank?
Who has the better future Grad or T-Jax (MIN)?
Can anyone add to my knowledge bank?
Who has the better future Grad or T-Jax (MIN)?
Slinger
Footballguy
He was talking about Gradkowski (3rd string QB).
Actually he is second string. Simms will not be benched Gruden believes in him and he will start all our games this year unless injury prevents it.As far as Gradkowski I think he has a lot of potnetial and picked him up ina dynasty league this year but keep in mind he played against 2nd and 3rd stringers for a lot of part of preseason and when he did play against first team (i believe the last game) he did some bad things like any rookie will do...Dont believe it Simms will be top 10 this year not Gradkowksi!
Noahs Troopers
Footballguy
Link?http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthcharts/TB NFL has him listed 3rd
http://www.buccaneers.com/team/depthchart.aspx Bucs homepage has him 3rd
Rand al Thor
Footballguy
I don't have a link, but the homer radio/news reports are that if Simms gets hurts in a game, Ratay goes in to finish that game. However, with a week to prepare and practice, Gradkowski will be the starter over Ratay if Simms is out for an extended period.
Noahs Troopers
Footballguy
Thanks.
gump
Footballguy
Ridiculous thread.
Head coaches don't forget about young QBs winning big games on the road in Carolina, Atlanta, and NO to lead their teams to Division Championships when a hot new rookie struts in to town and plays well in preseason.
You will not see Grads unless Simms gets hurt or the team starts 2-8.
Head coaches don't forget about young QBs winning big games on the road in Carolina, Atlanta, and NO to lead their teams to Division Championships when a hot new rookie struts in to town and plays well in preseason.
You will not see Grads unless Simms gets hurt or the team starts 2-8.
Rand al Thor
Footballguy
Couldn't agree more
Very big Buc supporter here, watch all the games including preseason:1. Simms is about as locked in as a starter as anyone in the league not named Manning or Brady. It isn't close.2. Gradkowski did look good, playing against vanilla 2nd and 3rd team DEF in the preseason. It's exciting to know that if Simms leaves next year (he is a UFA, not RFA) then we have someone that has potential but I hope to God that Simms stays.3. If you want to quote preseason stats, ask Bam Childress how important it was to lead the Patriots in receptions this preseason........oh yea, he was cut. Nevermind.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
nygiants56
Footballguy
this person who started thread isn't playing with a full deck..he's basing who he thinks should be an NFL starting QB on what the guy did in high school, not even mentioning college, but high school...
boy they'll let anyone join this forum these days, huh? LOL
Lewis Tillman ( former Giants RB) broke Walter Payton's rushing record(s) at Jackson State..so, being that he was SO GREAT in college, by this poster's credo, Tillman should have been the best RB in NFL history huh?!semaj33 said:
puh-lease! Tillman never panned out as an NFL RB.. but , some kid set the Pa. record in high school and suddenly he's the next Dan Marino.yeah, that'll happen..
Simms didn't get drafted because of his last name..he was a 4th round selection...kind of an obscure position to be in as a 'son of an nfl player' , no? should have been picked higher, right? how about this: Anthony Munoz' son DIDN'T get drafted, was considered a good player in college...
anthony dorsett jr did ok in the nfl, Walter paytons son is still playing for Tenn, Griese is still playing QB, now he's up in chicago..but I guess he's in the NFL because his daddy was an all-time great, right? eric metcalf only made it to the NFL because his father was a great player at one time, too, right? had nothing to do with the fact that metcalf could actually PLAY FOOTBALL, right? c'mon..
Simms has one of the strongest arms in the NFL, he's plays with poise now, he's tough, can take a hit and led his team to the playoffs in his first 1/4 season as a full time starter, and he hasn't even completed a FULL 16 game season as a starter, mind you, he came on midway thru 2005..
semaj33, you are probably the same type of person who's sings the praise of Phil Rivers from the mountaintop, but doesn't see that QB's need time to develop, i.e., YEARS of time to develop as starters...
coaches say somewhere around 48 starts is the cutoff, either a guy has panned out by then, or he's a bust..look at couch, harrington,and now carr...all have been at 40 some starts before their teams gave up on them..Carr is close to that now..lets give Simms some 40 more games to show what he's got, ok? jeez, nothing like throwing a guy under a bus before the season even starts!!
promise me you'll call me next year if your league has an opening? I'll even pay YOUR entrance fee..deal?
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the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
It's truly comforting how reliably the misinformed can be counted upon for a good laugh.Keep up the good work!
semaj33
bloodwashed
Bucs Gradkowski is the No. 2 quarterback.
Written by: RICK STROUD ¦ 9/3/2006
Source: www.sptimes.com
TAMPA - Rookie Bruce Gradkowski is the No. 2 quarterback.
He may not be given that designation for the regular-season opener Sept. 10 against the Baltimore Ravens, but he has earned it.
It isn't even close.
He outplayed veteran Tim Rattay the way scissors beats paper.
Gradkowski had an amazing productive preseason for any quarterback - let alone a rookie.
He completed 45-of-61 attempts (73.8 percent) for 511 yards with five touchdowns and three interceptions for a passer rating of 105.3.
In the final preseason game Thursday, Rattay struggled, throwing an interception when a receiver slipped. Gradkowski, meanwhile, kept the heat on, completing 13-of-17 passes for 90 yards and a touchdown. But what he really demonstrated was his ability to make plays with his feet.
He scrambled 14 yards on fourth and 6 on one drive and gained 13 more to set up his TD pass.
"For a young guy to come in here and complete 75 percent of his passes in a preseason game, I do not care who he is playing against," coach Jon Gruden said.
"His mobility, his creativity, his understanding of what we are doing are very impressive. He has a great future ahead of himself. I wanted to learn about the two (backup) quarterbacks that we have that are healthy and I think we did and we'll make that determination as we move ahead."
Gruden may designate Gradkow-ski as the inactive third quarterback against the Ravens. Why? Because Chris Simms is completely healthy and if he goes out in the opener, throwing a rookie in against the Ravens defense with no preparation time during the week would be a tall order.
But should something happen to Simms for the long-term, Gradkow-ski would have to be the quarterback. His feet, head and heart gives him a chance to make plays.
Rattay is scheduled to earn $1.25-million this season and that salary has to be paid if he is on the roster after the first game. It wouldn't have been a surprise if Rattay was released so the team could get out from under that salary while attempting to re-sign him later.
Not surprising is the way Gradkowski's success seemed to surprise everyone but the 6-foot-1 222-pound sixth-round pick out of Toledo.
"I cannot say that I wouldn't imagine (starting this well) because I set high standards for myself," Gradkowski, 23, said.
"I just try to take one day at a time and not really look back at it. You just have to be ready each and every day in this league. I just try to get better every day."
Here's a name to keep in mind: Raiders quarterback Marques Tuiasosopo. Gruden drafted him in the second round in 2001 and he will soon be out of Oakland. The Raiders released Jeff George so they don't have to guarantee his salary if he is on the roster for the first game. Tuiasosopo is on his fourth offensive system and trade bait.
Incidentally, eight teams have just two quarterbacks.
http://www.sptimes.com
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Bucs Backup QB Will Be Based On Performance
Written by: KATHERINE SMITH ¦ 9/3/2006
Source: www.tbo.com
TAMPA - The Bucs are bucking the latest NFL trend.
While Indianapolis and Baltimore are among the teams keeping only two quarterbacks on the roster, the Bucs say they're happy with their three - four if you count Luke McCown, who is on the physically unable to perform list.
Chris Simms is the undisputed starter, but who will back him up? Will it be veteran Tim Rattay or rookie Bruce Gradkowski?
"I think that will be something we decide on a weekly basis," Coach Jon Gruden said. "We'll base that on performance."
Based on performance, Gradkowski would be the No. 2 quarterback. He led the team in the preseason by completing 73.8 percent of his passes and throwing five touchdowns in compiling a 105.3 QB rating.
The Bucs' sixth-round pick struggled at times, especially in the third preseason game against Jacksonville's first- and second-string defenses, when he threw two of his three interceptions and fumbled the ball away. And he doesn't have the experience Rattay possesses. Rattay has more starts (16) than any of the quarterbacks on the Bucs' roster.
The seventh-year veteran played in three preseason games, his first game action in Gruden's system since the team traded for him last October. He completed 56 percent of his passes, threw two interceptions and no touchdowns and had a 38.9 QB rating.
The backup quarterback position is a critical one considering that since Gruden became the Bucs' coach in 2002, the team never has gone wire-to-wire with its starting quarterback.
In 2002, starter Brad Johnson injured his back late in the season against Detroit. Shaun King and Rob Johnson took turns starting the final two games. Brad Johnson started every game in 2003, but gave way to King in three of them.
In 2004, Brad Johnson was benched in favor of Simms, who was hurt against New Orleans, giving Brian Griese an opportunity. Last year, when Griese went down with a season-ending knee injury, Simms took over.
Perhaps that's why the Bucs want to keep as many quarterbacks on the roster as possible. Other teams don't seem too concerned with keeping an emergency quarterback.
The Colts cut King on Saturday, leaving Peyton Manning and Jim Sorgi as the only quarterbacks on the roster. The Ravens, the Bucs' opponent to open the season, also kept just two quarterbacks - Steve McNair and Kyle Boller.
With three quarterbacks on their active roster, the Bucs will have to designate one as the emergency No. 3 QB for every game. That quarterback is relegated to scout-team work in practices leading up to the game, while the backup works with the second- and third-team offense.
Practice this week will dictate who the Bucs' backup quarterback will be against Baltimore on Sunday. That role, of course, is subject to change as the season progresses.
"We do like our young quarterback, obviously, and we think Tim Rattay's experience in the regular season can help our team too," Gruden said.
http://www.tbo.com
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Grab the pitchforks and torches boys!!! we can't handle this attack on our Blonde Hero!!! CHARGE!!!
Simms played great against oklahoma in 2003...his only competition all year...
Written by: RICK STROUD ¦ 9/3/2006
Source: www.sptimes.com
TAMPA - Rookie Bruce Gradkowski is the No. 2 quarterback.
He may not be given that designation for the regular-season opener Sept. 10 against the Baltimore Ravens, but he has earned it.
It isn't even close.
He outplayed veteran Tim Rattay the way scissors beats paper.
Gradkowski had an amazing productive preseason for any quarterback - let alone a rookie.
He completed 45-of-61 attempts (73.8 percent) for 511 yards with five touchdowns and three interceptions for a passer rating of 105.3.
In the final preseason game Thursday, Rattay struggled, throwing an interception when a receiver slipped. Gradkowski, meanwhile, kept the heat on, completing 13-of-17 passes for 90 yards and a touchdown. But what he really demonstrated was his ability to make plays with his feet.
He scrambled 14 yards on fourth and 6 on one drive and gained 13 more to set up his TD pass.
"For a young guy to come in here and complete 75 percent of his passes in a preseason game, I do not care who he is playing against," coach Jon Gruden said.
"His mobility, his creativity, his understanding of what we are doing are very impressive. He has a great future ahead of himself. I wanted to learn about the two (backup) quarterbacks that we have that are healthy and I think we did and we'll make that determination as we move ahead."
Gruden may designate Gradkow-ski as the inactive third quarterback against the Ravens. Why? Because Chris Simms is completely healthy and if he goes out in the opener, throwing a rookie in against the Ravens defense with no preparation time during the week would be a tall order.
But should something happen to Simms for the long-term, Gradkow-ski would have to be the quarterback. His feet, head and heart gives him a chance to make plays.
Rattay is scheduled to earn $1.25-million this season and that salary has to be paid if he is on the roster after the first game. It wouldn't have been a surprise if Rattay was released so the team could get out from under that salary while attempting to re-sign him later.
Not surprising is the way Gradkowski's success seemed to surprise everyone but the 6-foot-1 222-pound sixth-round pick out of Toledo.
"I cannot say that I wouldn't imagine (starting this well) because I set high standards for myself," Gradkowski, 23, said.
"I just try to take one day at a time and not really look back at it. You just have to be ready each and every day in this league. I just try to get better every day."
Here's a name to keep in mind: Raiders quarterback Marques Tuiasosopo. Gruden drafted him in the second round in 2001 and he will soon be out of Oakland. The Raiders released Jeff George so they don't have to guarantee his salary if he is on the roster for the first game. Tuiasosopo is on his fourth offensive system and trade bait.
Incidentally, eight teams have just two quarterbacks.
http://www.sptimes.com
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Bucs Backup QB Will Be Based On Performance
Written by: KATHERINE SMITH ¦ 9/3/2006
Source: www.tbo.com
TAMPA - The Bucs are bucking the latest NFL trend.
While Indianapolis and Baltimore are among the teams keeping only two quarterbacks on the roster, the Bucs say they're happy with their three - four if you count Luke McCown, who is on the physically unable to perform list.
Chris Simms is the undisputed starter, but who will back him up? Will it be veteran Tim Rattay or rookie Bruce Gradkowski?
"I think that will be something we decide on a weekly basis," Coach Jon Gruden said. "We'll base that on performance."
Based on performance, Gradkowski would be the No. 2 quarterback. He led the team in the preseason by completing 73.8 percent of his passes and throwing five touchdowns in compiling a 105.3 QB rating.
The Bucs' sixth-round pick struggled at times, especially in the third preseason game against Jacksonville's first- and second-string defenses, when he threw two of his three interceptions and fumbled the ball away. And he doesn't have the experience Rattay possesses. Rattay has more starts (16) than any of the quarterbacks on the Bucs' roster.
The seventh-year veteran played in three preseason games, his first game action in Gruden's system since the team traded for him last October. He completed 56 percent of his passes, threw two interceptions and no touchdowns and had a 38.9 QB rating.
The backup quarterback position is a critical one considering that since Gruden became the Bucs' coach in 2002, the team never has gone wire-to-wire with its starting quarterback.
In 2002, starter Brad Johnson injured his back late in the season against Detroit. Shaun King and Rob Johnson took turns starting the final two games. Brad Johnson started every game in 2003, but gave way to King in three of them.
In 2004, Brad Johnson was benched in favor of Simms, who was hurt against New Orleans, giving Brian Griese an opportunity. Last year, when Griese went down with a season-ending knee injury, Simms took over.
Perhaps that's why the Bucs want to keep as many quarterbacks on the roster as possible. Other teams don't seem too concerned with keeping an emergency quarterback.
The Colts cut King on Saturday, leaving Peyton Manning and Jim Sorgi as the only quarterbacks on the roster. The Ravens, the Bucs' opponent to open the season, also kept just two quarterbacks - Steve McNair and Kyle Boller.
With three quarterbacks on their active roster, the Bucs will have to designate one as the emergency No. 3 QB for every game. That quarterback is relegated to scout-team work in practices leading up to the game, while the backup works with the second- and third-team offense.
Practice this week will dictate who the Bucs' backup quarterback will be against Baltimore on Sunday. That role, of course, is subject to change as the season progresses.
"We do like our young quarterback, obviously, and we think Tim Rattay's experience in the regular season can help our team too," Gruden said.
http://www.tbo.com
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Grab the pitchforks and torches boys!!! we can't handle this attack on our Blonde Hero!!! CHARGE!!!
Simms played great against oklahoma in 2003...his only competition all year...
FYI, for each of the 3 years that both players were at Texas (1999-2001), Applewhite had a higher passer rating. Not just cumulative -- in each individual season. Of course, QB rating isn't the perfect measure, but it's a quick and dirty way to look at it.Do you have anything to back up your proclamation of my being misinformed? I'd think that backing up a statement with data is pretty well-informed...
semaj33
bloodwashed
this person who started thread isn't playing with a full deck..he's basing who he thinks should be an NFL starting QB on what the guy did in high school, not even mentioning college, but high school...
boy they'll let anyone join this forum these days, huh? LOL
it took you 8 mins to edit your post after you originally put it up, not counting how long it probably took you to write all of that, and look up some guys just to add in some nice details, (you forgot Travis Prentice and i think Danny Wuerffel deserves a mention btw). So total post time being generous was probably about 45 mins to an hour of your friday evening...and i wrote mine in 3 seconds...just to cover a re-post,Lewis Tillman ( former Giants RB) broke Walter Payton's rushing record(s) at Jackson State..so, being that he was SO GREAT in college, by this poster's credo, Tillman should have been the best RB in NFL history huh?!semaj33 said:
puh-lease! Tillman never panned out as an NFL RB.. but , some kid set the Pa. record in high school and suddenly he's the next Dan Marino.yeah, that'll happen..
Simms didn't get drafted because of his last name..he was a 4th round selection...kind of an obscure position to be in as a 'son of an nfl player' , no? should have been picked higher, right? how about this: Anthony Munoz' son DIDN'T get drafted, was considered a good player in college...
anthony dorsett jr did ok in the nfl, Walter paytons son is still playing for Tenn, Griese is still playing QB, now he's up in chicago..but I guess he's in the NFL because his daddy was an all-time great, right? eric metcalf only made it to the NFL because his father was a great player at one time, too, right? had nothing to do with the fact that metcalf could actually PLAY FOOTBALL, right? c'mon..
Simms has one of the strongest arms in the NFL, he's plays with poise now, he's tough, can take a hit and led his team to the playoffs in his first 1/4 season as a full time starter, and he hasn't even completed a FULL 16 game season as a starter, mind you, he came on midway thru 2005..
semaj33, you are probably the same type of person who's sings the praise of Phil Rivers from the mountaintop, but doesn't see that QB's need time to develop, i.e., YEARS of time to develop as starters...
coaches say somewhere around 48 starts is the cutoff, either a guy has panned out by then, or he's a bust..look at couch, harrington,and now carr...all have been at 40 some starts before their teams gave up on them..Carr is close to that now..lets give Simms some 40 more games to show what he's got, ok? jeez, nothing like throwing a guy under a bus before the season even starts!!
i do appreciate the effort however...no really i do....
and i am proud of you bro...
and for the record, i don't like Philip Rivers...
lewis tillman...lol...classic
ps- gradkowski IS the number 2 qb, please see my previous post noah's troopers
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Well....for starters, much of the time that Simms started ahead of Major (of whom I am also a huge fan), Major was rehabbing two injured knees. He was considered relatively immobile when healthy. With bad knees, he was a tree. Simms is nobody's version of a mobile qb, and he was far more mobile than MA for about 2 years. Nebraska & K-State had already figured out that if they blitzed the hell outta Major that he couldn't get away and he usually couldn't get the ball to a hot route or ob. Thus the "book" on MA was then written. This was not good.Your data generally compares very large samplings of CS's work to very small samplings of MA's work.FYI, for each of the 3 years that both players were at Texas (1999-2001), Applewhite had a higher passer rating. Not just cumulative -- in each individual season. Of course, QB rating isn't the perfect measure, but it's a quick and dirty way to look at it.
It's truly comforting how reliably the misinformed can be counted upon for a good laugh.
Keep up the good work!
Do you have anything to back up your proclamation of my being misinformed? I'd think that backing up a statement with data is pretty well-informed...
It's true that Simms had a huge meltdown in the Championship game against CU, but that can at least equally be laid at the feet of the coaches for leaving him in far past any reasonable constructive point and for abandoning a running game that had been dominant up to that point (a Greg Davis classic). They left him in a very bad game for him long after his confidence was shattered, and beyond the point where the team could complete a stirring comeback under Applewhite.
After that, though, MA, had further knee probs....and Simms started. Simms did progress and eventually ended up having a very good senior year, with far better stats than many qbs who got the lion's share of national publicity that year. It was clear to almost anyone watching most of those games that Simms completed passes time and again on plays where Major would have ended up flat on his back.
Of course, even Major had that 6-turnover day against K-State in '99, but you don't hear too much about that. Simms was never called off the bench. Major also had a pretty dismal Championship game of his own against NU in '99 (15-42, 178, 3 picks). Don't hear much about that either.
Clearly Simms' edges on MA were mostly physical, and MA's edges were mental. Overall, as Simms better learned the offense, the physical edge Simms possessed became much more evident. Had Simms been afforded the luxury of redshirting his freshman year as he wished, he'd probably have fared much better in Davis's system...but Adam Dunn, a RS Freshman QB at Texas at the time, decided to move on to pro baseball, and we all know that turned out to be a pretty good decision. Well, maybe. He was a pretty amazing qb as well. His departure combined with Walton's graduation left MA alone at qb with Simms and Adam Hall as incoming freshmen. The shirt had to come off one of them.
Some irately claimed (and still do to this day) that MA should not have lost his job to Simms due to injury. They seem to forget, however, that Major won the backup job in the first place in 1998 due to a knee injury to Greg Cicero, then won the starting job in Game 2 when previous qb Richard Walton broke a bone in his hand against UCLA. Walton recovered during the season but was never restored to #1.
In Simms' first 2 years, he was either the #2 or a "Co-starter"
, except for games he started because MA was either sick or recently injured. Simms wasn't named the preseason starter until his junior year, and then more because of MA's bad, rehabbing knees than anything else. Simms was 26-5 as a starter at Texas. Major was 22-8.If, magically, some two-headed bolt of lightning could strike both MA and CS at the same time, combining the best qualities of both, I think you'd have a pretty much unstoppable passing machine. Unfortunately, they remain apart. Simms hasn't turned out too badly though, imho.
Now I pose to you this question:
If Major was so much better than Simms, then why did Major go undrafted, getting cut after a couple of weeks in camp, and why is Simms a starting NFL QB? Do you really think the owner is opening his checkbook and writing those huge checks because of his name?
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Slinger
Footballguy
semaj33
bloodwashed
wait thats good....i will use that for my next one...thanksif you see a correlation between eli manning and chris simms besides their fathers being former nfl qbs than thats fine...but eli manning is a lot better QB than chris simms IMO...JBTV said:
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AtomicDogg97
Footballguy
What do you guys think?
zamboni
Footballguy
Gruden seems to really like him, but I doubt he takes over unless due to injury or the team falls out of contention. Despite the brutal loss, the team has Super Bowl aspirations, and I'm sure Gruden doesn't want to turn the keys over to a rookie, just like he made Simms hold the clipboard for a few years.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
According to Chris Mortensen? NO
According to anyone with two healthy eyes? WHY NOT?
According to anyone with two healthy eyes? WHY NOT?
Capella
Footballguy
Because that would be insane?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Cappy, I'm not suggesting the Bucs SHOULD give up on Chris Simms, but you have to be concerned about today, particularly in the context of what Jon Gruden really thinks of Simms. How many teams would let a young signal caller they see as their FRANCHISE head into a free agent year without an extension? Meanwhile the biggest knock on Simms this preseason had been the teams really felt they could bat passes of his down because of his trajectory; that's exactly what happened today was it not?
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
I have been saying this for awhile now ... Rattay is the best QB on the Bucs roster. Assuming he's still on their roster ... (goes to check)
Capella
Footballguy
How many teams give an extension to a guy with 12 career starts? How many games did McNabb get to start before you were ready to trash him for a undersized 6th-rounder?The guy made some bad decisions today but the Oline played like ####. Don't hang it all on him.
Capella
Footballguy
Jesus.. he's the worst. In fact, he'll be out the door as soon as McCown can play.
semaj33
bloodwashed
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=266573
i started this thread a few days ago...they hated me then...and all of a sudden come today, they have all disappeared...
....weird
i started this thread a few days ago...they hated me then...and all of a sudden come today, they have all disappeared...
....weird
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Actually plenty of teams give huge money to guys with NO career starts, see Carson Palmer, Alex Smith, Joey Harrington, et al...how anyone could look at the Bucs decision to give Simms a one year deal especially in a season when the CBA was signed and a huge increase in the cap occurred and not think there were concerns is beyond me.As to your contention on McNabb...I'm going to presume the "you" refers to my fellow Eagles fans, because you've never heard me trash McNabb and call for any of his backups to play. In fact, I've never felt worse about my association with other Eagles fans then when they were calling for A.J. "rag arm" Feeley a few seasons ago.
If they really think they ARE a Super Bowl contender, then I don't think they'd hesitate to pull Simms. They want to win now, and if they actually think Gadowski can win now, they'll play him. If they would only put him in to prepare him for future years, then I don't think it will happen unless, like you said, they're out of contention.
Capella
Footballguy
So how is this different? The guy is essentially a rookie in terms of NFL playing time. Why doesn't he get a shot? Also, I know you know what the difference is between Palmer, Smith, Harrington and then Simms. As for his contract, I seem to recall it getting signed before the new CBA, which was one of the snags to a long-term deal. Allen and Simms' agent were talking in camp.
