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Bryce Brown - 2013 Outlook (1 Viewer)

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Does Bryce Brown have an opportunity to be fantasy relevant in 2013 despite being a clear #2 to one of the elite bell cow backs due to the Chip Kelly factor?

http://www.phillymag.com/eagles/2013/04/18/mccoy-its-like-a-freaking-track-meet/

McCoy: ‘It’s Like A Freaking Track Meet’
Posted by Tim McManus on April 18, 2013 at 4:02 pm | 60 Comments
LeSean McCoy will have no issue sharing the load with Bryce Brown. He won’t be upset if Chris Polk works into the mix.


In this offense, he says, it’s a necessity to rotate backs in and out.

“You’re going to need another back in this offense,” said McCoy. “This is an offense where it’s not a debate, ‘I can do it myself.’ For one, you are going to do more plays than any other offense. Two, the amount of hits. You’re running so much. If you’re faking it, or running it, pass or not, you’re constantly going. I think any back, no matter how great of shape he’s in, is going to need some extra help.

“You’re running so much, it’s like a freaking track meet. It’s like a relay. You need extra guys.”

The supersonic pace that Chip Kelly deployed at Oregon is now being established in Philadelphia. Everything they do, they do quickly. The practices — like the meetings — are shorter than is standard in the NFL. But that doesn’t mean they are working less.

“Where in a normal offense you might come out here and get 30, 40 reps, we’re out here getting 100-and-something plays off,” said McCoy. “We’re doubling the reps, we’re getting it fast-paced so it’s kind of beaten into your head, going over and over again. It’s one of those things you kind of learn on the run. Just in three days I feel like I have the majority of the offense down.”

The 24-year-old back says the team has been watching cut-ups of the Oregon offense, and anticipates that much of what Kelly ran with the Ducks will be seen here in Philly. McCoy thinks that’s good news for him.

“He’s kind of bringing that style of offense,” said McCoy. “That’s the first thing I noticed from going over the plays and watching the [Oregon] tape: There’s so much room the backs have. That fits me. Just to stop, go, pick out the spots you want. I’m blessed to be in an offense like this. I wasn’t sure when he came in but actually seeing it, physically being there and learning it, I feel very, very, very confident.”

It is yet to be seen just how closely the Eagles offense will resemble Oregon’s. But it sure sounds like the pace will be similar.

“I think we’ll be in the best shape in the league for sure,” said McCoy. “There is never a time when we’re breaking. We hustle to working out, lifting weights, everything. Even the meetings are fast. Just that high tempo, high pace, I think it’s a different presence to a defense.

“We’re shifting, moving. As soon as you get tackled, there is no celebrations after the play, strictly get to the next play and let’s go. I want to say by the second or third quarter teams will be tired. That’s what you saw at Oregon. That’s how they won a lot of their games. As a defense you don’t get a chance to really adjust because you are moving so much, giving so many different illusions from different personnel coming in and running the same plays. That’s the biggest advantage.”
 
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Absolutely. Kelly used multiple backs with great success at Oregon. I wouldn't say Brown is a threat to steal the workhorse role from LeSean McCoy, but I expect him to have a much bigger role than anticipated. Maybe something like what we saw from Bernard Pierce last season. He has a lot of talent and he provides a contrast to McCoy because he's a bigger back who can run with a little more power (although he's kind of a finesse player himself when you really get down to it).

 
If Kelly runs the ball as much as I am reading (speculation of the writter of course) he would have to. I can't imagine Shady carrying the mail 30 times a game. Maybe more like 20 with Brown getting 10 plus some receptions thrown in. There is value in that.

 
That's great in April but I think NFL defenses are going to cause a lot of three and outs especially early in the season when the Eagles are still learning on the fly.

 
I think Brown has the a chance to be similar to Ben Tate in 2011 so in other words a high end handcuff with some real random up and down production so long as Shady remains healthy.

Assuming good health by Shady I think the key to Brown having the kind of fantasy role as a RB3/flex type is going to rely on his usage in the passing game, at least in PPR games. Even if he gets 10 carries a game he'd be hard to start even if he's getting a decent amount of goal line looks. He likely has more big play ability than Mark Ingram but I'd use him as a good comp of how really worthless a 10 carry/sometimes goal line back is that does not catch passes. Ingram was a 6 point PPR per game back on about 10 carries a game. You are only putting that in your lineup out of sheer desperation.

Now if he can be a 10 touch back and somewhat consistently get around 3 of thoses touches every week through the air it may seem like a small difference but now you have RB at least flirting with double digit fantasy points on a weekly average, again using the Ingram comp. At least this becomes a more viable weak RB3 type player.

On the Philly offense as a whole. It's one of the things I'm most excited to see next year. One thing that I've noticed. For an offense we don't even know is going to actually work it seems that at one point or another I've read that everyone in that offense if going to benefit but Maclin. Vick is going to benefit by more read option and designed QB runs. The TE's are going to benefit because he loves to use his TE's. DJAX is going to benefit because Kelly actually knows how to use him and will utlized him like Deanthony Thomas. Shady and Brown will benefit because Kelly likes to run so much. Again I seem to read or hear of benefit to everyone but Maclin and I guess you could add Foles as well.

So I'm anxious to see how some of this plays out from a real NFL angle as well as a fantasy angle. From a fantasy PPR angle it sure seems difficult to take a pass happy coach like Reid and come away thinking the QB/TE's/one of the WR's and both RB's are all going to benefit. It's not impossible for all that to take place but I would think for all of that to happen the scheme has work, the pace has to lead to increased number of plays and a big part of the play calling would involve a shorter passing attack which yields to more PPR chances.

 
2nd-year RBs: Bryce Brown

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Do a little research on Bryce Brown's background and you'll quickly realize this was a young player who never wanted to attend college. The No. 1 high school recruit in the entire nation in 2009 -- ranked ahead of Trent Richardson, Matt Barkley, and Lamar Miller among many higher-profile others -- Brown would bounce around schools and perform ineffectively when he played. His college career consisted of 13 games. Brown did just enough to satisfy his NFL eligibility during a three-carry 2011 season at Kansas State, quit the team, and promptly entered the 2012 NFL draft.

I don't think Brown cared where he was drafted because he never showed any desire to build a resume. Brown wasn't invited to the Combine, and even admitted in an interview with NFL Network's Mike Mayock that he didn't expect to be selected. Brown did demonstrate NFL-caliber measurables with a 4.48 forty, 34-inch vertical, and 22 bench-press reps at the K-State Pro Day, measuring in at 5-foot-11 1/2 and 223 pounds.

A seventh-round flier pick by the Eagles, Brown wound up earning 115 carries and four spot starts as a rookie when LeSean McCoy battled a late-season concussion. I re-watched and charted every offensive touch Brown received from Week 11 on (a total of 96). These were my takeaways:

Brown's lack of passion for college football does not define him as a football player. He is an extremely aggressive runner, often to a fault. Aside from four fumbles (three lost), the biggest problem with Brown's first-year game tape was a maddening tendency to bounce runs that were designed to go inside, to the outside. Brown is a 225-pound power back whose strength is getting north-south downhill. When he tried turning inside runs into perimeter runs, Brown became an east-west "run bouncer," leaving solid 3-5 yard gains on the field in favor of boom-or-bust attempts to get the edge. This made Brown highly susceptible to lost-yardage and no-gain runs.

Two quotes from respected color commentators who worked Brown's games:

"That's the third time already he's tried to bounce it outside, and you don't do that in this league." -- NBC's Cris Collinsworth, Philadelphia @ Dallas, Week 13.

"I like Bryce Brown when he gets north and south. When he gets too carried away with his speed laterally, no. North and south, that kid's got a chance to be special." -- NFL Network's Mike Mayock, Cincinnati @ Philadelphia, Week 15.

Brown's propensity for run bouncing was particularly evident in Philly's Week 14 matchup with Tampa Bay. He was held to a pathetic six yards on 12 carries. Nine of Brown's runs in that contest went for one yard or worse.

In fairness to seventh-rounder Brown, he was a raw rookie running behind the league's most banged-up offensive line, and constantly facing backfield penetration. By late in the season, the Eagles were fielding just one of their projected Opening Day front-five starters (LG Evan Mathis).

Run bouncing is fixable, and so is the fumbling. Brown's size-speed combination can't be coached, and that's what gives him big-time NFL potential. Brown is so big that his open-field speed can deceive defenders. I thought Collinsworth worded this nicely:

"I'll tell ya, I have seen this so much," Collinsworth said while breaking down a long run in the Dallas game. "Danny McCray the victim this time, watch the bad angle he takes. People just cannot anticipate the speed of Bryce Brown. It happened in the game last week (versus Carolina). They think they've got it figured out and this kid runs about a 4.3-something forty-yard dash. And I have seen more NFL safeties taking the wrong angle to try to catch him ... he is explosive."

Brown is built powerfully to the point that he almost looks wide. He is physical with plus burst and acceleration, and genuinely rare speed for a man his size. During Brown's coming-out Week 12 demolition of the Panthers -- he rushed for 178 yards and two touchdowns -- ESPN's Jon Gruden described Brown as "a big back who can get the corner and finish." Brown consistently runs through arm tackles. Despite weighing at least 15 more pounds than both David Wilson (breakdown here) and Lamar Miller (breakdown here), Brown possesses similar breakaway jets in the open field. Brown is not quite a punishing runner, but I think he could develop that aspect of his game. He flashed the ability to be a runner who piles up yards after contact, relentlessly shucking tacklers.

Another positive on Brown's rookie tape was his pass-catching ability. He has natural hands and catches the football with them as opposed to letting passes get into his body. I thought the latter was an issue with David Wilson.

I also thought Brown demonstrated some nifty footwork -- particularly on upfield cutbacks -- but there was limited wiggle to his game. He doesn't try to make defenders miss with lateral jukes or shake and bake. If Chip Kelly's Eagles get Brown to perform more professionally -- running within offensive design and becoming ball secure -- he will be an ideal complement to shifty, elusive starter LeSean McCoy. And I think Brown could be an every-down sustainer if McCoy went down again.

Andy Reid's Eagles used Brown in a wide array of formations, ostensibly with the goal of springing him into space. He handled the football on delayed draws, screens, direct snaps, stretch-zone plays, and shotgun runs. Brown's extensive experience in the 'gun could help shorten his learning curve in Kelly's shotgun-based offense. Of the 96 first-year touches I charted, 48 (exactly 50 percent) came out of the 'gun. Brown only touched the ball eight times (8.3 percent) in the I formation.

Brown was obviously a project as a rookie; a developmental ball of clay his coaching staff still must mold into a more consistent player. I think Brown has the potential to be a physically imposing downhill runner with breakaway speed. And I am excited to see his role in a Kelly offense that historically utilizes more than one back.
 
Does Bryce Brown have an opportunity to be fantasy relevant in 2013 despite being a clear #2 to one of the elite bell cow backs due to the Chip Kelly factor?
Fantasy relevant as in bye-week filler/flex...certainly. But no one knows yet how the Eagles' offense is going to look. We don't even know who the QB is going to be. I don't think we'll have a good feel until after preseason week 3. A lot will depend on who's under center and how successful they are at moving the ball.

I thought after last season that Brown could be in line for more work this year and could be fantasy relevant. IF Kelly's offense is successful and everything we hear is true about how run-heavy it is, maybe Brown has a little more value than bye week fill in. No one knows right now though.

 
I'm a buyer on both Brown and McCoy this year. I like Chip Kelly, and think he's going to be a very good NFL coach. I also think that the Eagles are a more talented team than they showed last year. I expect them to be near the top of the NFL in terms of offensive plays run, and also in percentage of runs vs passes. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them at or near the top in rushing attempts.

Brown isn't going to get more touches than McCoy, but there's a good chance that he still sees 200 combined carries / catches this year -- and IMO he's good enough to be fantasy relevant with that workload. And if McCoy gets banged up, he can be a fantasy RB1.

Brown is currently going off the board as RB40 -- I think he can finish RB25 or a touch higher even with a healthy McCoy putting up fantasy RB1 numbers. Great value IMO.

 
The Eagles *might* lead the NFL in offensive snaps this season - they are highly likely to finish among the top 5 teams in this category. There will be lots of room for both McCoy and Brown to have an impact, especially if Brown is willing to take to the coaching that he will be receiving this year, and he is willing to work on refining his game.

 
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Other Rotoworld info:

Eagles RB Bryce Brown is focused on correcting his fumbling issues this offseason.

Brown exploded onto the scene last year after LeSean McCoy went down with an injury, but fumbled the ball four times over his four starts. Running backs coach Duce Staley has Brown going through practice with an eight pound weighted-ball to correct the problem. Brown has also been studying film, noting the ball "kind of got extended" during his cuts, and is focusing on cleaning up his technique. He'll have a solid role as Philly's No. 2 back.

May 31 - 2:11 PM

Source: CSN Philly
The Philadelphia Inquirer still considers Bryce Brown the Eagles' No. 2 running back.

Felix Jones was given just $32,500 guaranteed on his one-year deal. He's going to compete for the No. 3 gig and possibly help out on kick returns. That leaves Brown as LeSean McCoy's handcuff and he'll still retain some standalone value. New coach Chip Kelly is implementing a run-based offense that uses multiple backs.

May 15 - 8:42 AM

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News
Eagles second-year RB Bryce Brown is working on his ball security this offseason by carrying around weighted footballs.

Developing stronger hands is a good first step. Brown showed explosion and power as a rookie, averaging 4.90 YPC on 115 attempts, but fumbled four times and lost three. The Eagles also need Brown to improve his vision and inside running; he bounced outside and improvised all too often. Still, Brown will be counted on for a big role as the No. 2 back in Chip Kelly's run-heavy offense.

Apr 19 - 2:01 PM

Source: Jeff McLane on Twitter
 
I know that there is a separate thread on this news today, but I thought that it should be added to this thread as well:

Rotoworld:

A pit bull and her seven puppies belonging to Eagles RB Bryce Brown were among the animals seized in a suspected dog fighting operation in Wisconsin.
The seizure took place on May 21 at Northland Pits in Fall Creek, Wisconsin. During a Friday hearing, Bekah Weitz, the humane officer for the Eau Claire County Humane Association, said one of her concerns regarding the animals was they were being trained for fighting. When the dogs were seized, she saw scarring on seven animals. We'll have more on this story as further details emerge.

Source: Leader-Telegram
 
Anyone interested or so quick to judge me & make nasty comments should know what they're talking about first. My dog, Eilis, was at Northland Pits being bred with a UKC registered male. Anyone who knows anything about breeding American pitbull terriers should know that has NOTHING to do with fighting. I have never been interested or involved in dog fighting. My family and I love Eilis, and she is a family pet and always has been. I take extreme good care of my pets and anyone who knows me can agree.
My dog was returned to me quickly because it was obvious that she is not and never has been involved with dog fighting. Northland Pits is a respectable breeder which has unfortunately been the target of anti-breeding groups and "animal rights," activists who know nothing about what he is doing there, and assume it is related to dog fighting due to the breed of the dogs. He is a victim in this case, just as I am. He takes great care of his dogs and Eilis wouldn't have been breeding there otherwise.
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Rotoworld:

Eagles RB Bryce Brown insists he and his breeder are victims in the suspected dog fighting operation in Wisconsin.
On Saturday, news came to light that Brown's dogs had been seized in a suspected dog fighting operation back on May 21. Brown released the following statement: "My dog was returned to me quickly because it was obvious that she is not and never has been involved with dog fighting. Northland Pits is a respectable breeder. ... He is a victim in this case, just as I am. He takes great care of his dogs and Eilis [brown's dog] wouldn't have been breeding there otherwise." This seems like it will be a non-story shortly.

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News
 
Rotoworld:

Philly.com notes Eagles second-year RB Bryce Brown is "still bouncing too many runs to the outside" in training camp.
In addition to fumbling, this was one of Brown's worst rookie-year habits. A powerful, big-play runner when moving north-south, Brown became extremely prone to negative runs and "stuffs" when his shoulder pads were pointed east-west. Brown remains the heavy favorite for No. 2 back duties behind LeSean McCoy, but he still has kinks to iron out after barely playing college football.


Source: Philly.com
 
brown reportedly came in first after mccoy...

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polk had strong TD run...

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mccoy had two concussions last year...

the way kelly's system is leading to volume rushing expectations, it sounds like it could support two runners (even if mccoy stays healthy, also a RB3/flex)?

 
brown reportedly came in first after mccoy...

11-92-1

polk had strong TD run...

6-23-1

mccoy had two concussions last year...

the way kelly's system is leading to volume rushing expectations, it sounds like it could support two runners (even if mccoy stays healthy, also a RB3/flex)?
Brown had a bad fumble into the end zone for a touch back. Still swings the ball away from his body. Needs to fix that.

 
agreed, that is important detail...

he flashed a lot of ability last year (100+ yards in cosecutive games, but put ball on ground multiple times in one or both?)...

as a prep, he was graded similarly to trent richardson as one of best RBs in nation, but even with all that ability, chronic fumbling could be serious issue...

though how often does a great talent lose job over fumbling*...

it was tolerated with tiki barber (his talent compelled them to stay with him), and it was only when coughlin became his HC he learned to carry the ball high and tight and with requisite points of coverage (if that is correct scouting terminology)...

i think it was serious enough issue with former steeler RB tim worley (first rounder?) that it impacted his status...

blast from the past reference wendell tyler (UCLA star), played for rams, used to wave the ball around like a loaf of bread...

* hypothetically and for instance, if peterson put the ball on ground half a dozen times a season, guessing they wouldn't bench him (but brown isn't peterson)...

 
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In 2 preseason games (he sat out week 2 with a minor injury) he's 16-114-2 for a gaudy 7.13 ypc. Its just that one critical fumble that stands out.

 
Amazing talent but man he needs to hold on to the damn ball. He could definitely have value as does Polk but the fumbling will keep him on the bench.

 
Brown has bigtime stud RB abilities but unless he learns to carry a football he'll be somebody's backup.

 
He has the part you can't teach. The running talent.

He will learn to hold the ball eventually.

He's still pretty raw. Played only a handful of games in college.

 

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