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BTTF 2018: MLB123746 (2 Viewers)

IT WAS A RUN!

Until they false started.  And then crashed into the first hurdle.  Other than that? Smoooooooooth sailing.

 
while we wait, i have some baseball stuff to kick around...

does anyone has scorekeeping experience? i do it (on gamechanger) for my son's team. i have this lingering confusion about when to call an error (vs a hit). I know the general guideline is "an average player at this level would make that play", but what about the hitter's speed? Does that change the equation at all?

My kid is very fast, and has been beating out infield grounders. There are a few of these where the fielder might have a slight bobble or double-clutch, yet the sort of play where the 95% of runners would still be out at first. But my kid beats the throw.

So, i guess the question is whether the guideline should be (or is) "an average player at this level would make that play against an average runner"?

 
the moops said:
Just give your kid a hit :thumbup:

But honestly, I think those are errors. If they field it cleanly, is he thrown out? 
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Still safe on probably 1 out of 10 of those. 2/10 if hit to 3B, 1/10 if hit to SS, 0/10 if hit to 2B

I do lean toward hits (generally, for all the kids), but just didn't want to be seen as favoritism (as in, if an average/slow kid beats out a grounder, it was almost assuredly because of a error by the infielder).

 
if it matters, he's now playing 12U AAA, but i've been contemplating this over the past 3 years. (maybe i need an isolated retreat in Ontario)

 
oso diablo said:
while we wait, i have some baseball stuff to kick around...

does anyone has scorekeeping experience? i do it (on gamechanger) for my son's team. i have this lingering confusion about when to call an error (vs a hit). I know the general guideline is "an average player at this level would make that play", but what about the hitter's speed? Does that change the equation at all?

My kid is very fast, and has been beating out infield grounders. There are a few of these where the fielder might have a slight bobble or double-clutch, yet the sort of play where the 95% of runners would still be out at first. But my kid beats the throw.

So, i guess the question is whether the guideline should be (or is) "an average player at this level would make that play against an average runner"?
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If there's a bobble, you should call it an error.  It's 12U, though, so I'm not sure how accurate the scorekeeping needs to be.  Can't tell you how many people I've seen at that level counting ROE toward OBP or a fly ball that advances the runner from 2nd to 3rd as a Sac Fly.  :shrug:

Shoot, I've seen those mistakes at the high school level a lot.

 
I coached and did the book for my daughters U12 softball team for a few years. Everything was a hit! Of course we didn't keep stats or anything so it didn't really matter.  

 
Kraft... said:
I coached and did the book for my daughters U12 softball team for a few years. Everything was a hit! Of course we didn't keep stats or anything so it didn't really matter.  
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did you see my socks? scorekeeping is serious businessTM!

GameChanger accumulates & reports the stats automatically. I try to grade it straight-up in the spring/summer seasons. But i'm tougher on our own fielders than i am on the other team's fielders. For FallBall, almost everything is a hit.

 
I used game changer a bit, and it's a very cool app, but most of the time I was alone. Managing 12 girls and the book made it impossible to update, was easier just doing the book by hand most of the time. 

 
SoCalBroncoFan said:
Any chance anyone has a number to text NV at?
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He did let us know upfront he'd be out of pocket during this time, and was then assured that the draft would not kick off until Monday the 5th. AFAIC, we're on hiatus at the moment with no expectation of a pick coming in soon.

 
oso diablo said:
while we wait, i have some baseball stuff to kick around...

does anyone has scorekeeping experience? i do it (on gamechanger) for my son's team. i have this lingering confusion about when to call an error (vs a hit). I know the general guideline is "an average player at this level would make that play", but what about the hitter's speed? Does that change the equation at all?

My kid is very fast, and has been beating out infield grounders. There are a few of these where the fielder might have a slight bobble or double-clutch, yet the sort of play where the 95% of runners would still be out at first. But my kid beats the throw.

So, i guess the question is whether the guideline should be (or is) "an average player at this level would make that play against an average runner"?
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It's only a question of whether the fielder could've made the play that was presented to him. So unfortunately those are still technically errors IMO.

My brother was a little like your son. In Babe Ruth baseball, his coach would lead him off and have him bunt for a hit. And he'd beat out most of his bunts easily, but the coach called every single one of them errors, because in his mind the defense should ALWAYS make a play on a bunt. So his star leadoff hitter was batting well under the Mendoza line.  :lol:

 
My favorite scorekeeping memory came when I was playing Pony League baseball. I wasn't, um... good, so I usually didn't play the whole game, and when I was on the bench the coach would have me keep the book.

One game I'm keeping score, and it's the bottom of the last inning and we're clinging to a small lead. This is U14 but the kid coming up to bat for the other team is about 6'4 and 300 pounds and has already homered once. The guy on deck has struck out every at-bat. I take this information to coach and suggest an intentional walk. He blows me off because his kid is pitching and he's got total faith in him. Should've listened, because monster kid hit a walk-off homer that cleared the fence by at least 50 feet.

 
jfranco77 said:
This would be a good time to spend 2 days debating whether or not Lindor was the right pick. Was really hoping Correa or Bryant would make it to 14.
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Lindor has been my biggest whiff every year he’s been up in fantasy. Everything about him screams a guy to avoid to me and he’s easily exceeded ADP every season. I’ve never owned him in any format. Pretty sure every owner has a blind spot or 3 and somehow Lindor is my guy. 

 
jfranco77 said:
This would be a good time to spend 2 days debating whether or not Lindor was the right pick. Was really hoping Correa or Bryant would make it to 14.
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You could spend 2 days trying to figure out why he had A range in 2016 and D+ range last season.

I always want to draft good defense in this thing but I really don't know how.

 
Spartans Rule said:
You could spend 2 days trying to figure out why he had A range in 2016 and D+ range last season.

I always want to draft good defense in this thing but I really don't know how.
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i wonder if it's any more complicated than the fact that the Indians pitching staff went from 8.7 K/9 to 10.1. Fewer balls-in-play to get.

 
Spartans Rule said:
You could spend 2 days trying to figure out why he had A range in 2016 and D+ range last season.

I always want to draft good defense in this thing but I really don't know how.
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Gotta love WIS. 

Stuff like that is the reason I don't stress out anymore about making sure to grab a CF.  Stanton somehow ended up with B+ range last year.  Uhhhh, yeah sure, ok.

 
scoobus said:
Gotta love WIS. 

Stuff like that is the reason I don't stress out anymore about making sure to grab a CF.  Stanton somehow ended up with B+ range last year.  Uhhhh, yeah sure, ok.
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The 2017 leeg disappeared from the draft center today but I don't recall there being a large number of + and ++ plays by OF.  If we were drafting historical players with known defensive ratings, it would be worth considering but WIS gonna WIS.

 
oso diablo said:
while we wait, i have some baseball stuff to kick around...

does anyone has scorekeeping experience? i do it (on gamechanger) for my son's team. i have this lingering confusion about when to call an error (vs a hit). I know the general guideline is "an average player at this level would make that play", but what about the hitter's speed? Does that change the equation at all?

My kid is very fast, and has been beating out infield grounders. There are a few of these where the fielder might have a slight bobble or double-clutch, yet the sort of play where the 95% of runners would still be out at first. But my kid beats the throw.

So, i guess the question is whether the guideline should be (or is) "an average player at this level would make that play against an average runner"?
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Look at me, my kid is fast!

 
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