Bucs WRs thoughts? (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

Since it's a mishmash of players, here's a list with some comments to hopefully get the conversation going.

Galloway-sure bet starter and best WR

Clayton-They seem to have lost confidence in him, averages 53 targets per year since rookie year of 122 targets

Hilliard-solid vet but limitted in that he's not a star, he's "old" too

Antonio Bryant(yes him)

Maurice Stovall-has started a few games in 2 years, not much production at all really

Michael Spurlock-KR guy

Cortez Hankton-Jags for a while, couldn't make Vikes though in 07

Charles Spiller-no clue about him

Chad Lucas-former Packer, maybe Jet briefly I think

Amari Jackson-rook

Dexter Jackson-rook

Brian Clark-split time between Broncos and Bucs

Taye Biddle-former preseason star for Panthers, not much else IIRC

Paris Warren

Who starts? Who sits? Who is cut? Who will surprise?

 

[Routilla]

Outside of Galloway I really wouldn't consider any TB WRs.

 

[Couch Potato]

The WR2 probably comes down to Bryant, Clayton and Stovall. I think that both Clayton and Stovall have shown enough the last two years (and I mean that in a negative sense) that Bryant will be the guy if he keeps his mouth shut and applies himself.

They wanted David Boston to be their guy last year, and he almost was, until he screwed up again. Hilliard ended up with the job by default because neither Clayton or Stovall emerged, but they would love to put Hilliard back in the slot where he would be better suited.

The longshot sleeper here would be Paris Warren, but I really expect it to be Bryant as long as his attitude and mouth don't wreck it for him.

 

[Bri]

The longshot sleeper here would be Paris Warren,

I don't think he's with them anymore, is he?

 

[Couch Potato]

The longshot sleeper here would be Paris Warren,

I don't think he's with them anymore, is he?

Yes. Signed a 1-year deal in February.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

My opinion...

#1 Galloway for as long as he's healthy

#2 Clayton if he bounces back, Warren if he has another preseason like he did last year, Bryant if neither of those things is true

#3 One of the above, or Hilliard if no one steps up

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Joey Galloway is pretty much the guy who will get 60+ catches, 900+ yds, and 5-6+ TD...after that I would likely not even roster a Bucs WR in redrafts.

The Bucs have a lot more strength in their running game and cathces out of the backfield. I look for both Graham and Dunn to get a lot of catches.

Option1: Graham on the ground

Option2: Joey Galloway

Option3/4: Graham and Dunn out of the backfield

 

[Bri]

The longshot sleeper here would be Paris Warren,

I don't think he's with them anymore, is he?

Yes. Signed a 1-year deal in February.

Thanks, I'll add him in post 1

 

[Bri]

Joey Galloway is pretty much the guy who will get 60+ catches, 900+ yds, and 5-6+ TD...after that I would likely not even roster a Bucs WR in redrafts.

I haven't noticed them yet in ADP you might be able to get a starter with your last pick. Might be worth a try in the who else are you gonna take sorta draft thought.I'd actually draft Warren or Stovall if they'd send Clayton to another team. He just seems to scream out to me that he needs a fresh new start somewhere else. As long as he's there, I don't see their #2 having any impact.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

It's May so obviously everything can change. I for one am never high on guys that take a full season off (like Bryant) and attempt to come back off the street. He offered (at one time) something Clayton/Hillard/Stovall don't with the ability to get behind defenses. Remains to be seen if he still has that ability. I think 1 of Stovall/Clayton gets dealt/cut. I think Stovall is more versatile, so I think he'll get the nod.

Galloway #1 (lock)

Bryant #2

Clayton #2 split/#4/cut

Has more football value (blocking WR) than fantasy. He can be an WR#2 (ideally on a team with a dominant #1 option). Likelihood is small, but he could have another 1000 yard year in him in time (in a scenario like Muhammad did in Carolina & the #1 goes down). He's just not athletic enough anymore to get consistent seperation & production.Hillard #3/slot WR (lock)

Stovall #2 splt/#4/cut

D.Jackson #5

Went 5 deep. All depends on how many they keep on game day roster. I can't see anyone outside Galloway worth consideration outside a fantasy #5 WR.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

so is dexter jackson pretty much just a kick returner? seems odd to take a KR in the 2nd round

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

so is dexter jackson pretty much just a kick returner? seems odd to take a KR in the 2nd round

Weren't we saying the same thing about Hester a couple years ago though? (Is it likely Dexter will be another Hester? No. However, he offers the same game breaking ability). I can tell you that Hester wouldn't make it to Round 2 if a drafts held today.If he can be a very good KR/PR for the next 5+ years and offer situational game breaking plays at WR, I think it's very well worth a 2nd rounder.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

so is dexter jackson pretty much just a kick returner? seems odd to take a KR in the 2nd round

Weren't we saying the same thing about Hester a couple years ago though? (Is it likely Dexter will be another Hester? No. However, he offers the same game breaking ability). I can tell you that Hester wouldn't make it to Round 2 if a drafts held today.If he can be a very good KR/PR for the next 5+ years and offer situational game breaking plays at WR, I think it's very well worth a 2nd rounder.

right but the hester/dante hall type returns seem to burn out after a couple seasonsI was really wondering if tampa thinks of him as a WR as well or just a pure returnman

 

[QUEZILLA]

Again, Clayton is looking good so far at OTA's. Dexter Jackson isn't looking that good (tweaked hammy, not getting many reps). Stovall still healing. Ike started strong in 08, but fizzled. Still may be one of the safest bets for JG since he knows the system well. They were very high on Pars last preseaon, but he got hurt. Hopefully, he can bounce back. Bryant is a wild card, who knows what he will look like... PR said some positive things about Spiller & Hankton recently. They are on my radar for now. I also heard they may be interested in Moulds & Kennison. I'm not too worried seeing as the Bucs are expected to have one of the more dominant o-lines in the NFC this season. Good things come with good o-lines. Remember though, this is a wc offense so the ball will get spread around. If u have deep rosters I would take a shot on Clayton for sure.

 

[gianmarco]

so is dexter jackson pretty much just a kick returner? seems odd to take a KR in the 2nd round

Weren't we saying the same thing about Hester a couple years ago though? (Is it likely Dexter will be another Hester? No. However, he offers the same game breaking ability). I can tell you that Hester wouldn't make it to Round 2 if a drafts held today.If he can be a very good KR/PR for the next 5+ years and offer situational game breaking plays at WR, I think it's very well worth a 2nd rounder.

right but the hester/dante hall type returns seem to burn out after a couple seasonsI was really wondering if tampa thinks of him as a WR as well or just a pure returnman

I wouldn't be so quick to label Hester in the same mold as Dante Hall. Steve Smith was a KR/PR before he became an elite WR. I think Hester is much closer to Smith than to Hall in terms of talent and potential to be an impact WR. The fact that Chicago did not really address the WR situation much may mean they are looking for him to have an increased role, possibly.I'm just saying.......

 

[Bri]

so is dexter jackson pretty much just a kick returner? seems odd to take a KR in the 2nd round

Weren't we saying the same thing about Hester a couple years ago though? (Is it likely Dexter will be another Hester? No. However, he offers the same game breaking ability). I can tell you that Hester wouldn't make it to Round 2 if a drafts held today.If he can be a very good KR/PR for the next 5+ years and offer situational game breaking plays at WR, I think it's very well worth a 2nd rounder.

right but the hester/dante hall type returns seem to burn out after a couple seasonsI was really wondering if tampa thinks of him as a WR as well or just a pure returnman

I wouldn't be so quick to label Hester in the same mold as Dante Hall. Steve Smith was a KR/PR before he became an elite WR. I think Hester is much closer to Smith than to Hall in terms of talent and potential to be an impact WR. The fact that Chicago did not really address the WR situation much may mean they are looking for him to have an increased role, possibly.I'm just saying.......

Since we're discussing them as young unpolished players, I'm curious what you saw in Smith vs Hall wherein you could distinguish whether they'd be WR or KR?

 

[Bri]

The longshot sleeper here would be Paris Warren,

I don't think he's with them anymore, is he?

Yes. Signed a 1-year deal in February.

Thanks, I'll add him in post 1

BTW CP"I'm really excited about him," says Bucs Head Coach Jon Gruden. "He's really worked hard rehabbing that ankle and it was a terrible injury. He's a guy that's going to be in the mix."

http://www.tampabays10.com/sports/article.aspx?storyid=81009

 

[az_prof]

Chicago drafted two rookie WRs--one in Earl Bennett--who is very good. Not sure what you mean when you say that they didn't address WR in the draft and that somehow means Hester is going to be a starting WR. I don't see it. He'll be in the slot.

so is dexter jackson pretty much just a kick returner? seems odd to take a KR in the 2nd round

Weren't we saying the same thing about Hester a couple years ago though? (Is it likely Dexter will be another Hester? No. However, he offers the same game breaking ability). I can tell you that Hester wouldn't make it to Round 2 if a drafts held today.If he can be a very good KR/PR for the next 5+ years and offer situational game breaking plays at WR, I think it's very well worth a 2nd rounder.

right but the hester/dante hall type returns seem to burn out after a couple seasonsI was really wondering if tampa thinks of him as a WR as well or just a pure returnman

I wouldn't be so quick to label Hester in the same mold as Dante Hall. Steve Smith was a KR/PR before he became an elite WR. I think Hester is much closer to Smith than to Hall in terms of talent and potential to be an impact WR. The fact that Chicago did not really address the WR situation much may mean they are looking for him to have an increased role, possibly.I'm just saying.......

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Chicago drafted two rookie WRs--one in Earl Bennett--who is very good. Not sure what you mean when you say that they didn't address WR in the draft and that somehow means Hester is going to be a starting WR. I don't see it. He'll be in the slot.

so is dexter jackson pretty much just a kick returner? seems odd to take a KR in the 2nd round

Weren't we saying the same thing about Hester a couple years ago though? (Is it likely Dexter will be another Hester? No. However, he offers the same game breaking ability). I can tell you that Hester wouldn't make it to Round 2 if a drafts held today.If he can be a very good KR/PR for the next 5+ years and offer situational game breaking plays at WR, I think it's very well worth a 2nd rounder.

right but the hester/dante hall type returns seem to burn out after a couple seasonsI was really wondering if tampa thinks of him as a WR as well or just a pure returnman

I wouldn't be so quick to label Hester in the same mold as Dante Hall. Steve Smith was a KR/PR before he became an elite WR. I think Hester is much closer to Smith than to Hall in terms of talent and potential to be an impact WR. The fact that Chicago did not really address the WR situation much may mean they are looking for him to have an increased role, possibly.I'm just saying.......

Good point on earl bennett.Every wants hester to become this great WR. I just dont see it. Dont be so quick to make hester into steve smith either.

 

[gianmarco]

Chicago drafted two rookie WRs--one in Earl Bennett--who is very good. Not sure what you mean when you say that they didn't address WR in the draft and that somehow means Hester is going to be a starting WR. I don't see it. He'll be in the slot.

so is dexter jackson pretty much just a kick returner? seems odd to take a KR in the 2nd round

Weren't we saying the same thing about Hester a couple years ago though? (Is it likely Dexter will be another Hester? No. However, he offers the same game breaking ability). I can tell you that Hester wouldn't make it to Round 2 if a drafts held today.If he can be a very good KR/PR for the next 5+ years and offer situational game breaking plays at WR, I think it's very well worth a 2nd rounder.

right but the hester/dante hall type returns seem to burn out after a couple seasonsI was really wondering if tampa thinks of him as a WR as well or just a pure returnman

I wouldn't be so quick to label Hester in the same mold as Dante Hall. Steve Smith was a KR/PR before he became an elite WR. I think Hester is much closer to Smith than to Hall in terms of talent and potential to be an impact WR. The fact that Chicago did not really address the WR situation much may mean they are looking for him to have an increased role, possibly.I'm just saying.......

Good point on earl bennett.Every wants hester to become this great WR. I just dont see it. Dont be so quick to make hester into steve smith either.

I know they have Bennett. But, he's still a rookie. Who else do they have? I'm not making Hester into Steve Smith, in fact, far from it. I'm just saying I wouldn't write him off just yet and I wouldn't look at Dante Hall to compare him to and say it just won't happen. Or, looking at it another way, not ALL PR/KR that are turned into WR's fail. Look at Steve Smith. Again, not saying he will be Steve Smith, but it's not a 100% lost cause, especially considering the competition in his way.

 

[massraider]

Chicago drafted two rookie WRs--one in Earl Bennett--who is very good. Not sure what you mean when you say that they didn't address WR in the draft and that somehow means Hester is going to be a starting WR. I don't see it. He'll be in the slot.

so is dexter jackson pretty much just a kick returner? seems odd to take a KR in the 2nd round

Weren't we saying the same thing about Hester a couple years ago though? (Is it likely Dexter will be another Hester? No. However, he offers the same game breaking ability). I can tell you that Hester wouldn't make it to Round 2 if a drafts held today.If he can be a very good KR/PR for the next 5+ years and offer situational game breaking plays at WR, I think it's very well worth a 2nd rounder.

right but the hester/dante hall type returns seem to burn out after a couple seasonsI was really wondering if tampa thinks of him as a WR as well or just a pure returnman

I wouldn't be so quick to label Hester in the same mold as Dante Hall. Steve Smith was a KR/PR before he became an elite WR. I think Hester is much closer to Smith than to Hall in terms of talent and potential to be an impact WR. The fact that Chicago did not really address the WR situation much may mean they are looking for him to have an increased role, possibly.I'm just saying.......

Good point on earl bennett.Every wants hester to become this great WR. I just dont see it. Dont be so quick to make hester into steve smith either.

I know they have Bennett. But, he's still a rookie. Who else do they have? I'm not making Hester into Steve Smith, in fact, far from it. I'm just saying I wouldn't write him off just yet and I wouldn't look at Dante Hall to compare him to and say it just won't happen. Or, looking at it another way, not ALL PR/KR that are turned into WR's fail. Look at Steve Smith. Again, not saying he will be Steve Smith, but it's not a 100% lost cause, especially considering the competition in his way.

He's a guy without a position. They couldn't find one for him at Miami either. Now, the Bears might get creative with him, and figure out ways to get him involved, but I don't see him ever breaking the huddle with the base offense, lining up wide and being a 3-down WR. I think the idea of Hester being on the field every play is really exciting, but very unlikely. He doesn't have much WR talent in front of him, it's true. But I just think that means he gets a bit more slot play than normal.