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I think it was more 'keep two hands on the ball and DONT fumble' than going down on purpose.Did Singletary go down in purpose there?
I think it was more 'keep two hands on the ball and DONT fumble' than going down on purpose.Did Singletary go down in purpose there?
Oof. Gunna make it through the season?Well that was sure exciting. These last two weeks have taken a couple of years off my life.
Yes, because we're going to blow everybody out from now onOof. Gunna make it through the season?Well that was sure exciting. These last two weeks have taken a couple of years off my life.
Harbaugh made the right call. The Bills could have had a TD at the end of the game if they wanted it.Stupid Harbug does it again, losing because he goes for it on 4th down when he has a sure thing 3 points.
4th Down Decision Bot says Ravens had a 2% greater chance to win by going for it versus kicking the FG.Harbaugh made the right call. The Bills could have had a TD at the end of the game if they wanted it.Stupid Harbug does it again, losing because he goes for it on 4th down when he has a sure thing 3 points.
Another way to put it is that I was hoping Harbaugh would kick the FG and was anxious when he went for it. So he was probably right to go for it.
Does that 4th down decision bot take into account quality of offense and defense for both teams, game flow, momentum, etc.? The problem with analytics is they base the numbers on all things being equal without taking into account the above factors. It sure feels like more games are lost then won these days because of overreliance of analytics, but I am sure these coaches sleep better at night knowing the numbers said they were right.4th Down Decision Bot says Ravens had a 2% greater chance to win by going for it versus kicking the FG.Harbaugh made the right call. The Bills could have had a TD at the end of the game if they wanted it.Stupid Harbug does it again, losing because he goes for it on 4th down when he has a sure thing 3 points.
Another way to put it is that I was hoping Harbaugh would kick the FG and was anxious when he went for it. So he was probably right to go for it.
That one does not, but Next Gen Stats’ Decision Guide does take into account quite a lot of that data and it also recommended the Ravens go for it.Does that 4th down decision bot take into account quality of offense and defense for both teams, game flow, momentum, etc.? The problem with analytics is they base the numbers on all things being equal without taking into account the above factors. It sure feels like more games are lost then won these days because of overreliance of analytics, but I am sure these coaches sleep better at night knowing the numbers said they were right.4th Down Decision Bot says Ravens had a 2% greater chance to win by going for it versus kicking the FG.Harbaugh made the right call. The Bills could have had a TD at the end of the game if they wanted it.Stupid Harbug does it again, losing because he goes for it on 4th down when he has a sure thing 3 points.
Another way to put it is that I was hoping Harbaugh would kick the FG and was anxious when he went for it. So he was probably right to go for it.
If you don't, you haven't been paying attention to the Bills offense the past year or two....so you cannot just assume the Bills will go down the field on you.
Comments like yours are very reasonable. That's exactly why I don't have an issue with the call, and I wouldn't have an issue if they chose to kick. This was a very close one...Bills fandom aside, I liked the decision to go for it. If you fail, they're at their own 2 (of course, assuming Lamar doesn't throw a pick). You just spent like 8 minutes marching down the field like 95 yards and the Bills offense has woken up. You've got an MVP QB, put the ball in his hands. I wouldn't really have faulted him for taking the FG, but if the roles were flipped and it was the Bills, my gut feeling is to go for it. I know I've spent many years railing on teams that they need to go for it more often in these threads, though.
That is fine, but games are not played on paper. I rarely agree with these analytic takes, as they act like the game is played on paper instead of by humans on the field.That one does not, but Next Gen Stats’ Decision Guide does take into account quite a lot of that data and it also recommended the Ravens go for it.Does that 4th down decision bot take into account quality of offense and defense for both teams, game flow, momentum, etc.? The problem with analytics is they base the numbers on all things being equal without taking into account the above factors. It sure feels like more games are lost then won these days because of overreliance of analytics, but I am sure these coaches sleep better at night knowing the numbers said they were right.4th Down Decision Bot says Ravens had a 2% greater chance to win by going for it versus kicking the FG.Harbaugh made the right call. The Bills could have had a TD at the end of the game if they wanted it.Stupid Harbug does it again, losing because he goes for it on 4th down when he has a sure thing 3 points.
Another way to put it is that I was hoping Harbaugh would kick the FG and was anxious when he went for it. So he was probably right to go for it.
Right, because the Bills have been so great in close games the last year and change, eh?If you don't, you haven't been paying attention to the Bills offense the past year or two....so you cannot just assume the Bills will go down the field on you.
The close games thing is and was a dumb narrative. Such a small sample size. Any idea what Buffalo’s record was in one score games the previous 2 years was before their streak of losses was in one score games? I’m guessing you don’t or you’d realize how dumb the one score thing was.That is fine, but games are not played on paper. I rarely agree with these analytic takes, as they act like the game is played on paper instead of by humans on the field.That one does not, but Next Gen Stats’ Decision Guide does take into account quite a lot of that data and it also recommended the Ravens go for it.Does that 4th down decision bot take into account quality of offense and defense for both teams, game flow, momentum, etc.? The problem with analytics is they base the numbers on all things being equal without taking into account the above factors. It sure feels like more games are lost then won these days because of overreliance of analytics, but I am sure these coaches sleep better at night knowing the numbers said they were right.4th Down Decision Bot says Ravens had a 2% greater chance to win by going for it versus kicking the FG.Harbaugh made the right call. The Bills could have had a TD at the end of the game if they wanted it.Stupid Harbug does it again, losing because he goes for it on 4th down when he has a sure thing 3 points.
Another way to put it is that I was hoping Harbaugh would kick the FG and was anxious when he went for it. So he was probably right to go for it.
Right, because the Bills have been so great in close games the last year and change, eh?If you don't, you haven't been paying attention to the Bills offense the past year or two....so you cannot just assume the Bills will go down the field on you.
Once again, the Ravens forgot to report for the second half. Amazing(ly awful).ESPN Stats & Info
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The Ravens led by 17 points over the Bills today. In Week 2, the Ravens had a 21-point lead against the Dolphins. They lost both games.
The Ravens join the 2011 Vikings as the only teams to lose multiple games after leading by 17+ within their first 4 games.
Exactly. Analytics is proving to be a complete failure. Already this year we are somewhere around 3 or more games lost due to going for it on 4th down instead of taking 3 points. Harbug loses a game almost every year because of the ignorance of analytics instead of coaching. He can blame analytics I guess for his failures.Does that 4th down decision bot take into account quality of offense and defense for both teams, game flow, momentum, etc.? The problem with analytics is they base the numbers on all things being equal without taking into account the above factors. It sure feels like more games are lost then won these days because of overreliance of analytics, but I am sure these coaches sleep better at night knowing the numbers said they were right.4th Down Decision Bot says Ravens had a 2% greater chance to win by going for it versus kicking the FG.Harbaugh made the right call. The Bills could have had a TD at the end of the game if they wanted it.Stupid Harbug does it again, losing because he goes for it on 4th down when he has a sure thing 3 points.
Another way to put it is that I was hoping Harbaugh would kick the FG and was anxious when he went for it. So he was probably right to go for it.
Call it a small sample size, but the Bills, like it or not, had not won a one-score game since 2020 until today. That is a fact. They are awesome at blowing teams out, but when it is nip and tuck, they aren't so big and bad. That is why the Ravens should have taken the 3 and trusted their D to stop an offense that scored 17 last week despite running like 399 plays and had only 20 today. The Bills going down the field for a score was no sure thing, and this idea that they could have just taken the TD at the end if they wanted it, rendering the Ravens 3 useless ultimately, is fiction. if the Bills are so automatic at scoring whenever they want, why did the offense fail twice in the last three minutes last week against Miami when that game was there for the taking?The close games thing is and was a dumb narrative. Such a small sample size. Any idea what Buffalo’s record was in one score games the previous 2 years was before their streak of losses was in one score games? I’m guessing you don’t or you’d realize how dumb the one score thing was.That is fine, but games are not played on paper. I rarely agree with these analytic takes, as they act like the game is played on paper instead of by humans on the field.That one does not, but Next Gen Stats’ Decision Guide does take into account quite a lot of that data and it also recommended the Ravens go for it.Does that 4th down decision bot take into account quality of offense and defense for both teams, game flow, momentum, etc.? The problem with analytics is they base the numbers on all things being equal without taking into account the above factors. It sure feels like more games are lost then won these days because of overreliance of analytics, but I am sure these coaches sleep better at night knowing the numbers said they were right.4th Down Decision Bot says Ravens had a 2% greater chance to win by going for it versus kicking the FG.Harbaugh made the right call. The Bills could have had a TD at the end of the game if they wanted it.Stupid Harbug does it again, losing because he goes for it on 4th down when he has a sure thing 3 points.
Another way to put it is that I was hoping Harbaugh would kick the FG and was anxious when he went for it. So he was probably right to go for it.
Right, because the Bills have been so great in close games the last year and change, eh?If you don't, you haven't been paying attention to the Bills offense the past year or two....so you cannot just assume the Bills will go down the field on you.
I think we also saw exactly why the Ravens made the choice they made. Buffalo immediately marched down the field and could have certainly scored a TD to win. At worst the decision to go for it was a coin flip. Buffalo had all the momentum and Baltimore had been shut out in the 2nd half to that point. Poyer simply made a fantastic play.
I agree that they should have kicked. Get the "sure" 3 and put the pressure on the Bills to HAVE to score on their first drive. That is my opinion. I also say that it is a shame (for Baltimore) that they could not give Lamar any time. He was under a lot of duress and it is easy to see why he did not see the defender closing rapidly from the middle of the field. Of course we'll never know, but anything except an interception there might have led to a different outcome in the game.The analytics crowd will defend the decision, but it was a bad one. It was a 20-20 game, not a 42-42 game, so you cannot just assume the Bills will go down the field on you. Take the lead and trust your defense. I think it also didn't help that Lamar screwed it up by throwing the horrible pick, as I am sure the decision was made with the thinking that if we don't get it, we at least have them backed up inside the 5. Lamar's pick changed that.
Absolutely, I think the Bills playcalling changes significantly if it's a drive start at their own 2 rather than the 20. They probably come out much more conservative, and much more likely to go 3-and-out and give you the ball right back. That's part of the reason why I liked the decision to go for it. The INT was a minuscule possibility that happened.Of course we'll never know, but anything except an interception there might have led to a different outcome in the game.
Holy straw manCall it a small sample size, but the Bills, like it or not, had not won a one-score game since 2020 until today. That is a fact. They are awesome at blowing teams out, but when it is nip and tuck, they aren't so big and bad. That is why the Ravens should have taken the 3 and trusted their D to stop an offense that scored 17 last week despite running like 399 plays and had only 20 today. The Bills going down the field for a score was no sure thing, and this idea that they could have just taken the TD at the end if they wanted it, rendering the Ravens 3 useless ultimately, is fiction. if the Bills are so automatic at scoring whenever they want, why did the offense fail twice in the last three minutes last week against Miami when that game was there for the taking?The close games thing is and was a dumb narrative. Such a small sample size. Any idea what Buffalo’s record was in one score games the previous 2 years was before their streak of losses was in one score games? I’m guessing you don’t or you’d realize how dumb the one score thing was.That is fine, but games are not played on paper. I rarely agree with these analytic takes, as they act like the game is played on paper instead of by humans on the field.That one does not, but Next Gen Stats’ Decision Guide does take into account quite a lot of that data and it also recommended the Ravens go for it.Does that 4th down decision bot take into account quality of offense and defense for both teams, game flow, momentum, etc.? The problem with analytics is they base the numbers on all things being equal without taking into account the above factors. It sure feels like more games are lost then won these days because of overreliance of analytics, but I am sure these coaches sleep better at night knowing the numbers said they were right.4th Down Decision Bot says Ravens had a 2% greater chance to win by going for it versus kicking the FG.Harbaugh made the right call. The Bills could have had a TD at the end of the game if they wanted it.Stupid Harbug does it again, losing because he goes for it on 4th down when he has a sure thing 3 points.
Another way to put it is that I was hoping Harbaugh would kick the FG and was anxious when he went for it. So he was probably right to go for it.
Right, because the Bills have been so great in close games the last year and change, eh?If you don't, you haven't been paying attention to the Bills offense the past year or two....so you cannot just assume the Bills will go down the field on you.
I think we also saw exactly why the Ravens made the choice they made. Buffalo immediately marched down the field and could have certainly scored a TD to win. At worst the decision to go for it was a coin flip. Buffalo had all the momentum and Baltimore had been shut out in the 2nd half to that point. Poyer simply made a fantastic play.
OofThat is fine, but games are not played on paper. I rarely agree with these analytic takes, as they act like the game is played on paper instead of by humans on the field.That one does not, but Next Gen Stats’ Decision Guide does take into account quite a lot of that data and it also recommended the Ravens go for it.Does that 4th down decision bot take into account quality of offense and defense for both teams, game flow, momentum, etc.? The problem with analytics is they base the numbers on all things being equal without taking into account the above factors. It sure feels like more games are lost then won these days because of overreliance of analytics, but I am sure these coaches sleep better at night knowing the numbers said they were right.4th Down Decision Bot says Ravens had a 2% greater chance to win by going for it versus kicking the FG.Harbaugh made the right call. The Bills could have had a TD at the end of the game if they wanted it.Stupid Harbug does it again, losing because he goes for it on 4th down when he has a sure thing 3 points.
Another way to put it is that I was hoping Harbaugh would kick the FG and was anxious when he went for it. So he was probably right to go for it.
Right, because the Bills have been so great in close games the last year and change, eh?If you don't, you haven't been paying attention to the Bills offense the past year or two....so you cannot just assume the Bills will go down the field on you.