Buffalo Offense Going Forward (1 Viewer)

[NatronIsMean]

I'm reaching out to Buffalo homers for some guidance on Buffalo going forward. 6 points against Cleveland?! I don't want to overreact but what is the consensus on how Buffalo will perform from here on out?

Here's the schedule:

W06: @NYJ

W07: @CAR

W08: HOU

W09: BYE

W10: @TEN

W11: @JAC

W12: MIA

W13: NYJ

W14: @KC

W15: NE

W16: @ATL

It seems that they're not very useful until the playoffs. You have weeks 8, 11, 14-16. But if the performance against Cleveland is indicative of what's to come, I don't know how startable anyone on the team is regardless of matchup...

Is there any hope that the oline gets healthier between now and the BYE week? Any other positives?

--Thanks in advance--

 

[sandlotshrink]

Not a homer by any means, but until they address the QB situation, I don't think much changes. They bring in TO to go along with Evans on the other side and they still can't get over on a team as bad as Cleveland. As a Lynch owner, I'm regretting that draft selection.

 

[JAA]

Not a homer by any means, but until they address the QB situation, I don't think much changes. They bring in TO to go along with Evans on the other side and they still can't get over on a team as bad as Cleveland. As a Lynch owner, I'm regretting that draft selection.

I blame HC and then OC. They need to clean house of there. How can you have TO and Evans (with Lynch and Jackson) and only put up 3 points? I get the fumbles and special teams play, but goodness, that is about as bad as it gets.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

Since the Browns are terrible, they managed to kick the ball out of bounds with 20 sec's left, as if to say "here we don't want the game". Edwards then responds by throwing a 3 yard pass on the first play with no time outs. That's all you need to know.

 

[NatronIsMean]

So essentially, it's all about Jauron + Edwards.

When does Jauron pull Edwards? Wouldn't that time be upon us? My goodness.... taking checkdowns to a whole new level...

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

There is a lot of blame to go around but I can't see much happening for the rest of this season with Edwards playing behind this "offensive" line and with this coaching staff in place. Stay far away from any Bills offensive player right now imo.

 

[JAA]

There is a lot of blame to go around but I can't see much happening for the rest of this season with Edwards playing behind this "offensive" line and with this coaching staff in place. Stay far away from any Bills offensive player right now imo.

not entirely true. i would say Buf RB1 in PPR will be pretty valuable

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

So essentially, it's all about Jauron + Edwards. When does Jauron pull Edwards? Wouldn't that time be upon us? My goodness.... taking checkdowns to a whole new level...

Seriously could Ryan Fitzpatrick be any worse? Maybe a Cincy fan could chime in with an answer because I honestly don't know.

 

[JAA]

So essentially, it's all about Jauron + Edwards. When does Jauron pull Edwards? Wouldn't that time be upon us? My goodness.... taking checkdowns to a whole new level...

Seriously could Ryan Fitzpatrick be any worse? Maybe a Cincy fan could chime in with an answer because I honestly don't know.

watch him play in StL or Cin?

 

[sandlotshrink]

Yes, Ryan Fitz is horrendous! Cincy thankfully sent him packing and brought in JT O'Sullivan in the offseason and he's a huge upgrade over Fitzy. Buffalo pretty much sealed their fate by signing that guy as a QB2. They obviously use a different grading system for QB's. Perhaps Jeff Garcia will show up sooner than later?

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

There is a lot of blame to go around but I can't see much happening for the rest of this season with Edwards playing behind this "offensive" line and with this coaching staff in place. Stay far away from any Bills offensive player right now imo.

not entirely true. i would say Buf RB1 in PPR will be pretty valuable

possibly but if you started Fred Jackson and benched Marshawn Lynch based on the Miami game where did that get you? Good luck guessing which one will get the carries week to week.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

6 points against Cleveland?!

Well, 3, but who's counting.

 

[Moniker]

So essentially, it's all about Jauron + Edwards. When does Jauron pull Edwards? Wouldn't that time be upon us? My goodness.... taking checkdowns to a whole new level...

Seriously could Ryan Fitzpatrick be any worse? Maybe a Cincy fan could chime in with an answer because I honestly don't know.

Living in Cleveland I got to see this game this weekend. Based on what I saw this weekend It really has nothing whatsoever to do with Edwards. He looks really good, actually. The play calling is terrible and the play of the offensive line is, somehow, even worse. Edwards needs to start scrambling within 1.5 seconds of the play starting or he's going down. To make things worse, the offensive line committed stupid penalty after stupid penalty putting the offense in terrible down/distance situations all day.As far as the game itself went, Cleveland didn't win this game. Buffalo's offensive line and Roscoe Parrish seemingly did everything within their power to lose this one.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So essentially, it's all about Jauron + Edwards.

When does Jauron pull Edwards? Wouldn't that time be upon us? My goodness.... taking checkdowns to a whole new level...

I don't think Ryan Fitzpatrick is tha answer.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

J.P. are u with me?

Bring em back, lol!

 

[NatronIsMean]

Great responses - Appreciate the insight on Edwards. As a Jennings owner and Rodgers owner last year, I know what an "offensive" line can do to an offense.

My thoughts are:

1. With constant checkdowns, is Lynch somewhat similar to Stephen Jackson in that he will remain somewhat valuable in PPR, though with very few TDs?

2. Is there any hope for improvement in the offensive line? Are there injured guys that will return?

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

One of the problems in the past with Lynch is that he hasn't always been the most enthusiastic blocker on third downs and that has gotten Edwards almost killed on more than a few occasions. He did play a lot on third downs yesterday so maybe he's gotten better and the coaches don't feel quite so gun shy with him in the game on third and passing situations. I still think his numbers are going to be very unpredictable from week to week but if you have few good options, he is probably as good a gamble as most.

As for the oline, maybe we could convince Philly to loan us Jason Peters back??? Or maybe they'll resign Langston Walker again???

 

[Black]

There is a lot of blame to go around but I can't see much happening for the rest of this season with Edwards playing behind this "offensive" line and with this coaching staff in place. Stay far away from any Bills offensive player right now imo.

not entirely true. i would say Buf RB1 in PPR will be pretty valuable

Yeah, Lynch was a reasonable start in my PPR league last two weeks. If he ever happens to score, he'll be a very good weekly starter.

 

[Steve Tasker]

I think the Bills offense did exactly what most of us "homers" expected them to do this weekend....

 

[theglorydays]

I think the Bills offense did exactly what most of us "homers" expected them to do this weekend....

I told anyone who would listen to me to avoid all buffalo players not name Lynch/Jackson. And now even they look to be tough to gauge because there isn't a clear cut starter. I think Lynch will be the back to have going forward and i attempted to swing a deal for him before he came back from the suspension but i couldn't get him.If you saw the preseason you knew it was going to be ugly this year. The New England game was surprising and kind of threw me off and had me questioning my 4-12 record prediction, but the real Bills are back and more pathetic then ever.Brad Bulter is out for the year and D Bell really hasn't looked to good. Trent Edwards is terrible and the offensive line isn't doing him any favors. The defense is absolutely decimated by injuries and the bills will be down early and often. That doesn't really bode well for the running game going forward but the passing game consists of Lynch/Jackson so TO and Evans will be worthless this season barring a miracle.

 

[theglorydays]

As a bills fan, coming into the first game of the season i was pretty low on the bills. The O-line was going to be amongst the worst in the leage and I was pretty confident there wouldn't be any running lanes. That was what last year was like. (the end of the year the oline started to gel but they pretty much have an entirely different line this year)

But, after watching monday nights game, i'm really think Lynch could be a great option. TO and Lee Evans have basically elimanated 8 in the box. The Oline looked much better than expected and i think lynch could have a really good year.

Fred Jackson is a slight concern, but i think the carries will be split like last year with the majority of them going to Lynch.

This was my post from after the monday night game. The running backs are the only valuable options going forward and they should catch a bunch of balls out of the backfield.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Here is an honest opinion about the Bills going forward.

The Bills will be lucky to win 2-3 more games this season. Flat out. They could beat KC, and 1-2 of Houston, Tennessee, Jacksonville, maybe even Miami at home if the weather is bad. Based on how they've played these last few games, I think I'm being generous.

Sell Evans and Owens for whatever you can get for them. Edwards is playing awful, but it's not all on him. The offensive line is simple woeful. There is very little run blocking, and even less pass protection. The Bills run 2 TE sets nearly every play (literally), and most of the time, both of the TEs stay in to block. That leaves Evans, Owens, and whichever RB is in the game to have a chance to touch the ball. Evans and Owens get doubled nearly every play, which leaves Edwards with his RB checkdown option. It's a vicious cycle - I remember a play yesterday where the Bills spread it out with 0 TEs on the field. The Browns rushed 3 against the Bills 5 O-linemen, and Edwards was promptly sacked. He had probably less than 2 seconds in the pocket on the play. I don't see this getting any better, even with Fitzpatrick or a free agent QB at the helm.

Lynch and Jackson will have their quality RB1/RB2 games, but it will be very difficult to predict. The Bills seem dead-set on an RBBC...not that it's a bad thing, I think it's great if they utilize both RBs. But from a fantasy perspective, it's a nightmare. It will be damn near impossible to predict who will get the bulk of the work week in and week out.

That's how I see it.

 

[Tommy Collins]

The Bills have finished 7-9 the past three seasons and are looking like they'll be lucky to win 5 this year. Why? Well the offensive line is in shambles, but that is nothing new. I think a lot of it has to do with the coaching. Not just the playcalling but the coaching in general. Jauron is the definition of mediocrity but Ralph Wilson cannot see through that. How they didn't jump at the chance to sign Gruden, Shanahan or Cowher is beyond me.

The offense always fools us every year. It starts out looking good, using a few trick plays (a fake FG for a TD last year as well) and we see some deep passes. But around this point every year the offense becomes overwhelmingly conservative. Year after year it is the same story. Until there is a new staff in Buffalo (aside from Bobby April who is a special teams phenom) the outlook is very bleak. I don't know if it's the offensive line, or the playcalling but Trent Edwards has gone back to his check down tendencies once again. Jim Kelly endorsed the kid which says something but that doesn't necessarily mean he has "it."

I wouldn't expect things to get better this year sadly... we'll win just enough games when it no longer matters to worsen our draft position this year. Not like it matters because we'll draft an undersized situational pass rusher like Maybin who does nothing for our team.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Jim Kelly endorsed the kid which says something but that doesn't necessarily mean he has "it."

Jim Kelly did the opposite of endorsing Trent Edwards last week on the local radio

 

[The Gray Hood]

I think the title of this thread is misleading.

 

[NatronIsMean]

I think the title of this thread is misleading.

How so? I'll happily change it if it isn't working~

 

[Bears_Man2]

Ryan Fitzpatrick ain't the answer. I'm surprised he got an opportunity as a backup QB.

 

[stbugs]

There is a lot of blame to go around but I can't see much happening for the rest of this season with Edwards playing behind this "offensive" line and with this coaching staff in place. Stay far away from any Bills offensive player right now imo.

not entirely true. i would say Buf RB1 in PPR will be pretty valuable

Yeah, Lynch was a reasonable start in my PPR league last two weeks. If he ever happens to score, he'll be a very good weekly starter.

I am not regretting my late pick of Lynch. So far, he is exactly what I expected. I didn't play him last week since it was his first week back, but I did this week and I was happy with the PPR results. I think that in PPR going forward, he will probably get 5+ receptions most weeks and while some say RBBC, it seems clear that Lynch is the lead back, barring injury.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'm a Bills fan and intentionally drafted exactly zero Buffalo players in the three leagues I'm in. That should tell you what I think of Buffalo's "offense.". And, frankly, it's way worse than I thought it would be.

It wouldn't shock me if the offense ends up being historically bad. Like, lowest scoring team in history, bad.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

I'm a Bills fan and intentionally drafted exactly zero Buffalo players in the three leagues I'm in.

Me too, though can't say it was intentional since I would've taken Lynch or Evans if they slid a little further. TO's ADP in the Colston range I thought was a little nuts though. I think worst offense ever is an overstatement. The '03 Bledsoe team that couldn't score a single TD in 7 games will be a tough feat to top.

 

[switz]

The Bills problem has everything to do with the FO and coaching. Until they bring back a real GM and a real coach, nothing good is going to happen.

Losman IMO was a better QB than Edwards. But both regressed during their time with the Bills. That's on coaching.

 

[Mr. Fusion]

The Bills problem has everything to do with the FO and coaching. Until they bring back a real GM and a real coach, nothing good is going to happen.Losman IMO was a better QB than Edwards. But both regressed during their time with the Bills. That's on coaching.

 

[Obie Wan]

As a bills fan, coming into the first game of the season i was pretty low on the bills. The O-line was going to be amongst the worst in the leage and I was pretty confident there wouldn't be any running lanes. That was what last year was like. (the end of the year the oline started to gel but they pretty much have an entirely different line this year)But, after watching monday nights game, i'm really think Lynch could be a great option. TO and Lee Evans have basically elimanated 8 in the box. The Oline looked much better than expected and i think lynch could have a really good year.Fred Jackson is a slight concern, but i think the carries will be split like last year with the majority of them going to Lynch.This was my post from after the monday night game. The running backs are the only valuable options going forward and they should catch a bunch of balls out of the backfield.

This is not true going forwardas Edwards continues to refuse to throw to the WRs and more than 5 yards downfield, defenses will continue to crowd the line of scrimmage and take away the flats. They will also ramp up the blitzes because there is minimal risk of giving up a big play since Edwards is not even looking to throw it more than 5 yards.However, there is a very good chance that Edwards gets knocked out of the Jets game as Ryan takes out his frustrations on the hapless Bills OL.Fitz may be bad, but at least he will throw the ball to the WRs which will improve the offensive production dramatically.

 

[Tommy Collins]

Jim Kelly endorsed the kid which says something but that doesn't necessarily mean he has "it."

Jim Kelly did the opposite of endorsing Trent Edwards last week on the local radio

Really? I know he endorsed him last year or the year before (I can't remember which) and wondered what he saw in the kid because I didn't see it. Glad he came to his senses. Time to bring in Jeff Garcia.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Not from Buffalo, not a Bills fan, but as a Lynch owner in a 0.5 PPR league I'm encouraged by this checkdown offense. I cut TO though a couple weeks back, oh yes I did.

 

[editor47]

Here is an honest opinion about the Bills going forward.

The Bills will be lucky to win 2-3 more games this season. Flat out. They could beat KC, and 1-2 of Houston, Tennessee, Jacksonville, maybe even Miami at home if the weather is bad. Based on how they've played these last few games, I think I'm being generous.

Sell Evans and Owens for whatever you can get for them. Edwards is playing awful, but it's not all on him. The offensive line is simple woeful. There is very little run blocking, and even less pass protection. The Bills run 2 TE sets nearly every play (literally), and most of the time, both of the TEs stay in to block. That leaves Evans, Owens, and whichever RB is in the game to have a chance to touch the ball. Evans and Owens get doubled nearly every play, which leaves Edwards with his RB checkdown option. It's a vicious cycle - I remember a play yesterday where the Bills spread it out with 0 TEs on the field. The Browns rushed 3 against the Bills 5 O-linemen, and Edwards was promptly sacked. He had probably less than 2 seconds in the pocket on the play. I don't see this getting any better, even with Fitzpatrick or a free agent QB at the helm.

Lynch and Jackson will have their quality RB1/RB2 games, but it will be very difficult to predict. The Bills seem dead-set on an RBBC...not that it's a bad thing, I think it's great if they utilize both RBs. But from a fantasy perspective, it's a nightmare. It will be damn near impossible to predict who will get the bulk of the work week in and week out.

That's how I see it.

This team just put up 3 points against the Browns. 3. The Browns. I doubt they can beat anyone. But they'll win 1 game because very few teams are bad enough to never find a way to win.

The scary thing is, I actually thought they looked OK against the Patriots.

 

[RalphMouth]

TO was just dumped in my league and available as a free agent. I'm thinking I better grab him.

Best case he gets traded- worse case he could be an ok bye week replacement.

 

[hoopvillian]

C'mon guys. Seriously?

They have too much talent to suck this much. They'll get it together and at least put up decent state. Not saying they're an 8-8 team or anything but my guess is this Cle game was a fluke. They're bad but not CLE\TB\STL bad.

 

[detroitwhat]

C'mon guys. Seriously?They have too much talent to suck this much. They'll get it together and at least put up decent state. Not saying they're an 8-8 team or anything but my guess is this Cle game was a fluke. They're bad but not CLE\TB\STL bad.

i agree. the pats game they should've won. it's clearly the o line and jauron.

 

[hostile]

The Bills problem has everything to do with the FO and coaching. Until they bring back a real GM and a real coach, nothing good is going to happen.

This.

Losman IMO was a better QB than Edwards. But both regressed during their time with the Bills. That's on coaching.

I completely disagree on the Losman v Edwards. On the coaching part - I agree completely. Losman: Million dollar arm, five cent head. Ever really watch the guy play? Consistent, bone-headed plays. He was Rex Grossman's predecessor. Edwards is a *very* good QB. He's not an elite talent, but solid. Bill Walsh thought *very* highly of Edwards - I think Walsh was pretty good at identifying talent. Edwards is an intelligent QB too. His problem is the system in which he plays, lack of coaching, and is very close to becoming the next David Carr - completely shell-shocked, and never really being allowed to develop fully. What can you do when you're constantly running for your life?The Oline is definitely an issue, but not the talent on it. The interior of the line was addressed and was performing very well early season. Bell will be a very good LT, but he needs time to develop. Losing Butler on the other side hurt. Having to bring in two journeymen tackles who are essentially pylons has made the situation even worse. The line has a lot of potential to be quite good - they need time and proper coaching to develop.There it is again - coaching.Jauron was a terrible coach in CHI. Installing VanPelt as the new OC obviously hasnt helped a lick. This team needs a purging of the entire coaching staff. The play-calling of this offense has been the ####s from day one.I never thought I would say this, b/c I really do have the utmost disdain for the guy, but I would love Buffalo to pursue Cowher. I would like to see Holmgren, Shanny, Gruden.... take your pick of the "waiver wire" coaches right now. I would be giddy if Buffalo signed any one of these guys.Personally, I'm just going to sit here and cross my fingers that Brandon and Jauron and his staff are fired. They need to treat the systemic cause, not the symptoms.

 

[jobarules]

I just bought REAL low on TO (gave up Coffee)

 

[NatronIsMean]

After the NYJ upset and with a new QB for the moment, I'm very curious about what we'll see against Carolina. They have a good defense, but so did NYJ. I was dreading Fitzpatrick but perhaps he can continue to breath life into the offense.

My bet is that with Carolina able to focus on tape of Fitz for a week, he'll come back to reality. But we'll see. I'm hopefull that life will persist for Lynch/FJax at least...

 

[rowmacks]

The Bills problem has everything to do with the FO and coaching. Until they bring back a real GM and a real coach, nothing good is going to happen.

This.

Losman IMO was a better QB than Edwards. But both regressed during their time with the Bills. That's on coaching.

I completely disagree on the Losman v Edwards. On the coaching part - I agree completely. Losman: Million dollar arm, five cent head. Ever really watch the guy play? Consistent, bone-headed plays. He was Rex Grossman's predecessor. Edwards is a *very* good QB. He's not an elite talent, but solid. Bill Walsh thought *very* highly of Edwards - I think Walsh was pretty good at identifying talent. Edwards is an intelligent QB too. His problem is the system in which he plays, lack of coaching, and is very close to becoming the next David Carr - completely shell-shocked, and never really being allowed to develop fully. What can you do when you're constantly running for your life?The Oline is definitely an issue, but not the talent on it. The interior of the line was addressed and was performing very well early season. Bell will be a very good LT, but he needs time to develop. Losing Butler on the other side hurt. Having to bring in two journeymen tackles who are essentially pylons has made the situation even worse. The line has a lot of potential to be quite good - they need time and proper coaching to develop.There it is again - coaching.Jauron was a terrible coach in CHI. Installing VanPelt as the new OC obviously hasnt helped a lick. This team needs a purging of the entire coaching staff. The play-calling of this offense has been the ####s from day one.I never thought I would say this, b/c I really do have the utmost disdain for the guy, but I would love Buffalo to pursue Cowher. I would like to see Holmgren, Shanny, Gruden.... take your pick of the "waiver wire" coaches right now. I would be giddy if Buffalo signed any one of these guys.Personally, I'm just going to sit here and cross my fingers that Brandon and Jauron and his staff are fired. They need to treat the systemic cause, not the symptoms.

Edwards sucks, plain and simple. He has had all the chances in the world but he really is nothing more than a serviceable back up. The only thing he has going for him is that he is 'smart', well, that doesn't necessarily make you a good QB (hello Alex Smith). The guy is completely scared of throwing downfield and will pull it down immediately, he is scared to fit anything in a tight spot as well. You cannot win too many games like that unless you have an unbelievably talented running game and defense which the Bills obviously do not have. Sure a lot falls on coaching, but true talent should still shine through which it hasn't at all.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Is Jauron still toeing the "we'll wait and see" line about Edwards as the starter going forward?

Fitzpatrick draws the Titans craptacular pass D week ten. He's absolutely not a guy I want to have to rely on, but if he's still starting by then he's probably going to be a far better shot at real points than what I'm currently rostering, due to injuries, as my #2 behind Schaub.

Buffalo homers, what do y'all think? Fitz last as the starter past the bye? Or if they lose/he looks bad does Jauron just shove Edwards back in there after the off week?

 

[Bills_Fan11]

Is Jauron still toeing the "we'll wait and see" line about Edwards as the starter going forward?Fitzpatrick draws the Titans craptacular pass D week ten. He's absolutely not a guy I want to have to rely on, but if he's still starting by then he's probably going to be a far better shot at real points than what I'm currently rostering, due to injuries, as my #2 behind Schaub. Buffalo homers, what do y'all think? Fitz last as the starter past the bye? Or if they lose/he looks bad does Jauron just shove Edwards back in there after the off week?

I think it just depends on the outcome this week. Win and they're not going to pull a guy who is 3-0 no matter how ugly. Lose and Edwards gets the ball with an 8 game audition for next year's job. As bleak as Edwards' future looks here, there's no sense in going with a career backup journeyman to play out the string.