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Bush Nearly De-Activated In Week 12? (1 Viewer)

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Saw this on ProFootballTalk.com. This would explain why Bush was such a non-factor last week against the Falcons even though he did well with his touches (he had two runs of over 10 yards, for example, but only 5 rushing attempts the entire game) and the Saints were playing from the front the entire way. Here's the story:

It's a story that has stayed under the radar despite the high profile of its subject. Jim Henderson of WWL-TV in New Orleans recently reported that Saints running back Reggie Bush, known in the Bayou as "Jesus in Cleats," would have been deactivated for last Sunday's game against the Falcons, if running back Aaron Stecker had been healthy.

Per the report, Bush got on the wrong side of coach Sean Payton by missing a team meeting.

It's easy for Payton to take the position that he would have punished Bush in this way if the guy who would have taken his place hadn't been injured. Would the rookie coach have really benched his prized rookie in a key NFC South game in late November? We don't think so.

Even more amazing to us is the fact that no one has picked this up. It's not in any newspaper reports, and we can't even find it on the station's web site. In fact, we initially brushed off the e-mail we received about it, but then our friend John Marie of Biz Radio 990 in New Orleans advised us that WWL had indeed reported the story.

Maybe the national media just missed this one. Or maybe the press outside of Louisiana has gotten over its crush on Bush. He hasn't performed like the reincarnation of Gale Sayers (if, you know, Sayers were actually dead), with a rushing average of 3.0 yards per attempt and only one touchdown from scrimmage through 11 NFL games.

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The national media is too busy obsessing over the Giants/Cowboys to care about anything else, I guess.

 
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Bush is just not that good.
Still way too early to say, but with each passing week, it sure seems like the hype machine was blasted way too loudly.
The last few weeks I think he's looked better than he has all season long. He's running with more authority, more assertiveness and awareness. He had two real nice runs last week against the Falcons that I don't think he would've made a month or so ago. So I think he's actually getting better with each passing week.That said, the early returns suggest he was WAY over-hyped given how there are several rookie RBs who are much better at the present time.
 
packersfan said:
zamboni said:
Da Guru said:
Bush is just not that good.
Still way too early to say, but with each passing week, it sure seems like the hype machine was blasted way too loudly.
The last few weeks I think he's looked better than he has all season long. He's running with more authority, more assertiveness and awareness. He had two real nice runs last week against the Falcons that I don't think he would've made a month or so ago. So I think he's actually getting better with each passing week.That said, the early returns suggest he was WAY over-hyped given how there are several rookie RBs who are much better at the present time.
I didn't think his runs last week were anything special.
 
packersfan said:
zamboni said:
Da Guru said:
Bush is just not that good.
Still way too early to say, but with each passing week, it sure seems like the hype machine was blasted way too loudly.
The last few weeks I think he's looked better than he has all season long. He's running with more authority, more assertiveness and awareness. He had two real nice runs last week against the Falcons that I don't think he would've made a month or so ago. So I think he's actually getting better with each passing week.That said, the early returns suggest he was WAY over-hyped given how there are several rookie RBs who are much better at the present time.
I didn't think his runs last week were anything special.
We'll have to agree to disagree. I thought the two 10+ gains he had were runs that would've gone for 1 or 2 yards a month ago. I think he's running MUCH better than he has and is getting better with each passing week. But again, I agree he hasn't been anywhere near as good as his hype to this point.
 
At least they got a top 10 talent in Colston to soften the blow of a wasted 1st Rd. RB pick.
"Wasted" may be a strong word. Even though a high number one is a lot to spend on a punt returner, he almost certainly would not have been there if they waited until the second round. Maybe the Saints' brass targeted special teams and were willing to reach a little to get their man.
 
Righetti said:
I wish we could go back in time and deactivate Bush' before he decided to go into Iraq ..
I wish we could go back in time and deactivate Osama and Saddam before they killed thousands of people.
 
Osama and Saddam are not in the same category. that much we know definitively.

nor are bush and desmond howard. lets give that a couple years before we paint with that brush. jumping to erroneous conclusions like that are what got us into iraq in the first place.

 
From NOLA.com...the story about Alex Smith and Bush...

BUSH REPORT DENIED: Saints Coach Sean Payton denied a WWL-TV report that cited sources as saying Bush's role was limited during last week's game against the Falcons as a disciplinary action. According to the report, Bush missed a team meeting and might have been deactivated for the game if not for Stecker's injury.
 
From NOLA.com...the story about Alex Smith and Bush...

BUSH REPORT DENIED: Saints Coach Sean Payton denied a WWL-TV report that cited sources as saying Bush's role was limited during last week's game against the Falcons as a disciplinary action. According to the report, Bush missed a team meeting and might have been deactivated for the game if not for Stecker's injury.
Thanks...
 
Osama and Saddam are not in the same category. that much we know definitively.nor are bush and desmond howard. lets give that a couple years before we paint with that brush. jumping to erroneous conclusions like that are what got us into iraq in the first place.
Comparing two over-hyped football players got us into a war????????
 
Archie Bunker said:
Da Guru said:
Bush is just not that good.
Can anyone say, "Desmond Howard?"
Ouch. I think that's way too low. I'm not sold he's the next Gale Sayers as advertised but I think he's at least Warrick Dunny type material. With a shot at greatness.J
 
At least they got a top 10 talent in Colston to soften the blow of a wasted 1st Rd. RB pick.
"Wasted" may be a strong word. Even though a high number one is a lot to spend on a punt returner, he almost certainly would not have been there if they waited until the second round. Maybe the Saints' brass targeted special teams and were willing to reach a little to get their man.
No a wasted pick like Tiki Barber. Or a wasted player like Priest. It takes time for some players to shine.
 
Osama and Saddam are not in the same category. that much we know definitively.nor are bush and desmond howard. lets give that a couple years before we paint with that brush. jumping to erroneous conclusions like that are what got us into iraq in the first place.
Comparing two over-hyped football players got us into a war????????
i'm hardly shocked that a simple analogy got lost on a guy who goes by "archie bunker." irony rules.i like the comparison to Warrick Dunn above. similar skill set, at least from what we've seen to this point.
 
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packersfan said:
Saw this on ProFootballTalk.com. This would explain why Bush was such a non-factor last week against the Falcons even though he did well with his touches (he had two runs of over 10 yards, for example, but only 5 rushing attempts the entire game) and the Saints were playing from the front the entire way. Here's the story:

It's a story that has stayed under the radar despite the high profile of its subject. Jim Henderson of WWL-TV in New Orleans recently reported that Saints running back Reggie Bush, known in the Bayou as "Jesus in Cleats," would have been deactivated for last Sunday's game against the Falcons, if running back Aaron Stecker had been healthy.

Per the report, Bush got on the wrong side of coach Sean Payton by missing a team meeting.

It's easy for Payton to take the position that he would have punished Bush in this way if the guy who would have taken his place hadn't been injured. Would the rookie coach have really benched his prized rookie in a key NFC South game in late November? We don't think so.

Even more amazing to us is the fact that no one has picked this up. It's not in any newspaper reports, and we can't even find it on the station's web site. In fact, we initially brushed off the e-mail we received about it, but then our friend John Marie of Biz Radio 990 in New Orleans advised us that WWL had indeed reported the story.

Maybe the national media just missed this one. Or maybe the press outside of Louisiana has gotten over its crush on Bush. He hasn't performed like the reincarnation of Gale Sayers (if, you know, Sayers were actually dead), with a rushing average of 3.0 yards per attempt and only one touchdown from scrimmage through 11 NFL games.

Link
You obviously did not watch the game. Bush was HORRIBLE. One play I was pretty much in disbelief. 3rd 10, he catches a ball in the flat, then just steps out of bounds 5 yards short of the 1st down. Huh? He was never TOUCHED on the play. Saw a defender coming, and just took 2 steps to the sideline. Even on 1st down that's a joke. But 3rd down?

It was embarrassing. The Bucs said it after they played him. He's a punk, and he doesn't want to get hit.

He's got the lowest yards per catch, lowest yards per rush, and most of his production has been NO forcing the ball to him. People are starting to realize he's not the deadly threat people thought he was.

I don't care about rookies production. But I want to see effort. I've never seen a RB seek the sidelines how he does.

 
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packersfan said:
Saw this on ProFootballTalk.com. This would explain why Bush was such a non-factor last week against the Falcons even though he did well with his touches (he had two runs of over 10 yards, for example, but only 5 rushing attempts the entire game) and the Saints were playing from the front the entire way. Here's the story:

It's a story that has stayed under the radar despite the high profile of its subject. Jim Henderson of WWL-TV in New Orleans recently reported that Saints running back Reggie Bush, known in the Bayou as "Jesus in Cleats," would have been deactivated for last Sunday's game against the Falcons, if running back Aaron Stecker had been healthy.

Per the report, Bush got on the wrong side of coach Sean Payton by missing a team meeting.

It's easy for Payton to take the position that he would have punished Bush in this way if the guy who would have taken his place hadn't been injured. Would the rookie coach have really benched his prized rookie in a key NFC South game in late November? We don't think so.

Even more amazing to us is the fact that no one has picked this up. It's not in any newspaper reports, and we can't even find it on the station's web site. In fact, we initially brushed off the e-mail we received about it, but then our friend John Marie of Biz Radio 990 in New Orleans advised us that WWL had indeed reported the story.

Maybe the national media just missed this one. Or maybe the press outside of Louisiana has gotten over its crush on Bush. He hasn't performed like the reincarnation of Gale Sayers (if, you know, Sayers were actually dead), with a rushing average of 3.0 yards per attempt and only one touchdown from scrimmage through 11 NFL games.

Link
You obviously did not watch the game. Bush was HORRIBLE. One play I was pretty much in disbelief. 3rd 10, he catches a ball in the flat, then just steps out of bounds 5 yards short of the 1st down. Huh? He was never TOUCHED on the play. Saw a defender coming, and just took 2 steps to the sideline. Even on 1st down that's a joke. But 3rd down?

It was embarrassing. The Bucs said it after they played him. He's a punk, and he doesn't want to get hit.

He's got the lowest yards per catch, lowest yards per rush, and most of his production has been NO forcing the ball to him. People are starting to realize he's not the deadly threat people thought he was.

I don't care about rookies production. But I want to see effort. I've never seen a RB seek the sidelines how he does.
NFL hits hurt more than Stanford ones do.
 
Osama and Saddam are not in the same category. that much we know definitively.nor are bush and desmond howard. lets give that a couple years before we paint with that brush. jumping to erroneous conclusions like that are what got us into iraq in the first place.
Comparing two over-hyped football players got us into a war????????
i'm hardly shocked that a simple analogy got lost on a guy who goes by "archie bunker." irony rules.i like the comparison to Warrick Dunn above. similar skill set, at least from what we've seen to this point.
Analogy? What analogy? Having opinions on NFL players based on their performance is analagous to deciding the fate of millions of lives based on wrong information? Weak. Weak. Weak.
 
packersfan said:
Saw this on ProFootballTalk.com. This would explain why Bush was such a non-factor last week against the Falcons even though he did well with his touches (he had two runs of over 10 yards, for example, but only 5 rushing attempts the entire game) and the Saints were playing from the front the entire way. Here's the story:

It's a story that has stayed under the radar despite the high profile of its subject. Jim Henderson of WWL-TV in New Orleans recently reported that Saints running back Reggie Bush, known in the Bayou as "Jesus in Cleats," would have been deactivated for last Sunday's game against the Falcons, if running back Aaron Stecker had been healthy.

Per the report, Bush got on the wrong side of coach Sean Payton by missing a team meeting.

It's easy for Payton to take the position that he would have punished Bush in this way if the guy who would have taken his place hadn't been injured. Would the rookie coach have really benched his prized rookie in a key NFC South game in late November? We don't think so.

Even more amazing to us is the fact that no one has picked this up. It's not in any newspaper reports, and we can't even find it on the station's web site. In fact, we initially brushed off the e-mail we received about it, but then our friend John Marie of Biz Radio 990 in New Orleans advised us that WWL had indeed reported the story.

Maybe the national media just missed this one. Or maybe the press outside of Louisiana has gotten over its crush on Bush. He hasn't performed like the reincarnation of Gale Sayers (if, you know, Sayers were actually dead), with a rushing average of 3.0 yards per attempt and only one touchdown from scrimmage through 11 NFL games.

Link
You obviously did not watch the game. Bush was HORRIBLE. One play I was pretty much in disbelief. 3rd 10, he catches a ball in the flat, then just steps out of bounds 5 yards short of the 1st down. Huh? He was never TOUCHED on the play. Saw a defender coming, and just took 2 steps to the sideline. Even on 1st down that's a joke. But 3rd down?

It was embarrassing. The Bucs said it after they played him. He's a punk, and he doesn't want to get hit.

He's got the lowest yards per catch, lowest yards per rush, and most of his production has been NO forcing the ball to him. People are starting to realize he's not the deadly threat people thought he was.

I don't care about rookies production. But I want to see effort. I've never seen a RB seek the sidelines how he does.
First I've ever head anyone refer to him as a punk.....did Tampa say that or are you saying that?
 
Archie Bunker said:
Da Guru said:
Bush is just not that good.
Can anyone say, "Desmond Howard?"
Ouch. I think that's way too low. I'm not sold he's the next Gale Sayers as advertised but I think he's at least Warrick Dunny type material. With a shot at greatness.J
Dunn would be fair comparison. Although I think the Saints were hoping for more of a Tomlinson type back when drafting Bush.
 
Archie Bunker said:
Da Guru said:
Bush is just not that good.
Can anyone say, "Desmond Howard?"
Ouch. I think that's way too low. I'm not sold he's the next Gale Sayers as advertised but I think he's at least Warrick Dunny type material. With a shot at greatness.J
Dunn would be fair comparison. Although I think the Saints were hoping for more of a Tomlinson type back when drafting Bush.
:goodposting: I've said this on another board. When Bush was drafted, they were hoping for that LT or Sayers-type of franchise back. After seeing him perform at this level, I think that his ceiling may be a Brian Westbrook-type. Not that Westbrook's a slouch, but I'm pretty sure they weren't originally hoping their USC stud would end up being as good as a Villanova guy.
 
Bush reminds me of Peter Warrick.

Both were overhyped out of college, both are decent PR's, both are average at their position.

 
packersfan said:
Saw this on ProFootballTalk.com. This would explain why Bush was such a non-factor last week against the Falcons even though he did well with his touches (he had two runs of over 10 yards, for example, but only 5 rushing attempts the entire game) and the Saints were playing from the front the entire way. Here's the story:

It's a story that has stayed under the radar despite the high profile of its subject. Jim Henderson of WWL-TV in New Orleans recently reported that Saints running back Reggie Bush, known in the Bayou as "Jesus in Cleats," would have been deactivated for last Sunday's game against the Falcons, if running back Aaron Stecker had been healthy.

Per the report, Bush got on the wrong side of coach Sean Payton by missing a team meeting.

It's easy for Payton to take the position that he would have punished Bush in this way if the guy who would have taken his place hadn't been injured. Would the rookie coach have really benched his prized rookie in a key NFC South game in late November? We don't think so.

Even more amazing to us is the fact that no one has picked this up. It's not in any newspaper reports, and we can't even find it on the station's web site. In fact, we initially brushed off the e-mail we received about it, but then our friend John Marie of Biz Radio 990 in New Orleans advised us that WWL had indeed reported the story.

Maybe the national media just missed this one. Or maybe the press outside of Louisiana has gotten over its crush on Bush. He hasn't performed like the reincarnation of Gale Sayers (if, you know, Sayers were actually dead), with a rushing average of 3.0 yards per attempt and only one touchdown from scrimmage through 11 NFL games.

Link
You obviously did not watch the game. Bush was HORRIBLE. One play I was pretty much in disbelief. 3rd 10, he catches a ball in the flat, then just steps out of bounds 5 yards short of the 1st down. Huh? He was never TOUCHED on the play. Saw a defender coming, and just took 2 steps to the sideline. Even on 1st down that's a joke. But 3rd down?

It was embarrassing. The Bucs said it after they played him. He's a punk, and he doesn't want to get hit.

He's got the lowest yards per catch, lowest yards per rush, and most of his production has been NO forcing the ball to him. People are starting to realize he's not the deadly threat people thought he was.

I don't care about rookies production. But I want to see effort. I've never seen a RB seek the sidelines how he does.
Link??
 
I haven't been able to find the link. I believe it came out shortly after the Oct 9th game.

I remember the Buc defenders talking about how Bush was shying away from contact, and I'm sure one of them called him a punk. But I guess if no one else remembers it, I'm imagining things.

 
packersfan said:
Saw this on ProFootballTalk.com. This would explain why Bush was such a non-factor last week against the Falcons even though he did well with his touches (he had two runs of over 10 yards, for example, but only 5 rushing attempts the entire game) and the Saints were playing from the front the entire way. Here's the story:

It's a story that has stayed under the radar despite the high profile of its subject. Jim Henderson of WWL-TV in New Orleans recently reported that Saints running back Reggie Bush, known in the Bayou as "Jesus in Cleats," would have been deactivated for last Sunday's game against the Falcons, if running back Aaron Stecker had been healthy.

Per the report, Bush got on the wrong side of coach Sean Payton by missing a team meeting.

It's easy for Payton to take the position that he would have punished Bush in this way if the guy who would have taken his place hadn't been injured. Would the rookie coach have really benched his prized rookie in a key NFC South game in late November? We don't think so.

Even more amazing to us is the fact that no one has picked this up. It's not in any newspaper reports, and we can't even find it on the station's web site. In fact, we initially brushed off the e-mail we received about it, but then our friend John Marie of Biz Radio 990 in New Orleans advised us that WWL had indeed reported the story.

Maybe the national media just missed this one. Or maybe the press outside of Louisiana has gotten over its crush on Bush. He hasn't performed like the reincarnation of Gale Sayers (if, you know, Sayers were actually dead), with a rushing average of 3.0 yards per attempt and only one touchdown from scrimmage through 11 NFL games.

Link
You obviously did not watch the game. Bush was HORRIBLE.
I did see the game and I continue to be impressed by how much better Bush is looking now than he was a few weeks ago. I think he's starting to figure things out and I think he's running with a much stronger sense of purpose than he was at his nadir this season. And it was the Ravens who essentially called him gutless.

 
After a disappointing NFL season; where does Reggie Bush rank compared to the next draft class right now? What rookie pick in 2007 would you trade for Bush? 1,2,3....?

 
packersfan said:
Saw this on ProFootballTalk.com. This would explain why Bush was such a non-factor last week against the Falcons even though he did well with his touches (he had two runs of over 10 yards, for example, but only 5 rushing attempts the entire game) and the Saints were playing from the front the entire way. Here's the story:

It's a story that has stayed under the radar despite the high profile of its subject. Jim Henderson of WWL-TV in New Orleans recently reported that Saints running back Reggie Bush, known in the Bayou as "Jesus in Cleats," would have been deactivated for last Sunday's game against the Falcons, if running back Aaron Stecker had been healthy.

Per the report, Bush got on the wrong side of coach Sean Payton by missing a team meeting.

It's easy for Payton to take the position that he would have punished Bush in this way if the guy who would have taken his place hadn't been injured. Would the rookie coach have really benched his prized rookie in a key NFC South game in late November? We don't think so.

Even more amazing to us is the fact that no one has picked this up. It's not in any newspaper reports, and we can't even find it on the station's web site. In fact, we initially brushed off the e-mail we received about it, but then our friend John Marie of Biz Radio 990 in New Orleans advised us that WWL had indeed reported the story.

Maybe the national media just missed this one. Or maybe the press outside of Louisiana has gotten over its crush on Bush. He hasn't performed like the reincarnation of Gale Sayers (if, you know, Sayers were actually dead), with a rushing average of 3.0 yards per attempt and only one touchdown from scrimmage through 11 NFL games.

Link
You obviously did not watch the game. Bush was HORRIBLE.
I did see the game and I continue to be impressed by how much better Bush is looking now than he was a few weeks ago. I think he's starting to figure things out and I think he's running with a much stronger sense of purpose than he was at his nadir this season. And it was the Ravens who essentially called him gutless.
Ahh thanks. I knew someone called him out. Anyway, I'm downloading the torrent of the game, I'll cut up some of Reggie's "impressive plays". I thought he was garbage. So we'll see what it looks like on the film. I'll post it in a little bit.

 
I think before we call him a bust we should wait until he gets his turn. I would love to see how he performs when he get 20+ touches a game. Until then, I think he is perfomring as well as he can given the amount of times he touches the ball.

 
I think before we call him a bust we should wait until he gets his turn. I would love to see how he performs when he get 20+ touches a game. Until then, I think he is perfomring as well as he can given the amount of times he touches the ball.
without knowing the specifics, i thought he did touch it about 20 times per game??? about 8-12 carries and 7-10 catches? am i wrong???
 
I think before we call him a bust we should wait until he gets his turn. I would love to see how he performs when he get 20+ touches a game. Until then, I think he is perfomring as well as he can given the amount of times he touches the ball.
:goodposting: I think it would be a good idea if every rookie were given a couple of years to develop before we tear them to shreds.But that is not the mentality these days. Heck, in many cases players are enshrined in the Hall of Fame or doomed to the scrap heap before they are even drafted much less before they are given a season or two to learn the ropes.
 
I think before we call him a bust we should wait until he gets his turn. I would love to see how he performs when he get 20+ touches a game. Until then, I think he is perfomring as well as he can given the amount of times he touches the ball.
without knowing the specifics, i thought he did touch it about 20 times per game??? about 8-12 carries and 7-10 catches? am i wrong???
He's only had 3 games with 20 touches or more:Week 1: 14-61 rushing/8-58 receivingWeek 5: 9-23 rushing/11-63 receivingWeek 11: 13-51 rushing/8-58 receivingEdited to add: The Saints are 2-1 in those games.
 
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You guys are calling a rookie who is sharing his touches and still on pace to have 93 catches and go over 1,100 yards a punk? I don't know why. For most people this would be a very good year. Plus, and the most important thing, he is helping his team win. There is a big reason why Colston, Henderson and Horn are having good years. It's because the opposing team is plannig their defensive game plans around Bush. This guy will still be a star in the NFL and for you that want to get off board early in his career I say thank you. I wonder if someone could find out the Saints yards per a play with Deuce in the game and then with Bush in the game. I haven't done the research but I do watch all NO games (Reggie dynasty owner) and it seems like their team flows alot better with Reggie in than Deuce. Could be wrong on that but it seems that way.

 
I think before we call him a bust we should wait until he gets his turn. I would love to see how he performs when he get 20+ touches a game. Until then, I think he is perfomring as well as he can given the amount of times he touches the ball.
If you give a 2.7 yard-per-carry guy twenty rushes in a game, that's a boatload of three and outs. Believe me, they would love to give him twenty carries. He hasn't earned them.I, too, believe it's too early to call him a bust. It is not, however, too early to say that his rookie season hasn't lived up to expectations.
 
I think before we call him a bust we should wait until he gets his turn. I would love to see how he performs when he get 20+ touches a game. Until then, I think he is perfomring as well as he can given the amount of times he touches the ball.
If you give a 2.7 yard-per-carry guy twenty rushes in a game, that's a boatload of three and outs. Believe me, they would love to give him twenty carries. He hasn't earned them.I, too, believe it's too early to call him a bust. It is not, however, too early to say that his rookie season hasn't lived up to expectations.
On pace for 1100 yards and 93 touches isn't living up to expectations while sharing th load? God, your tough.
 
I think before we call him a bust we should wait until he gets his turn. I would love to see how he performs when he get 20+ touches a game. Until then, I think he is perfomring as well as he can given the amount of times he touches the ball.
:goodposting: I think it would be a good idea if every rookie were given a couple of years to develop before we tear them to shreds.But that is not the mentality these days. Heck, in many cases players are enshrined in the Hall of Fame or doomed to the scrap heap before they are even drafted much less before they are given a season or two to learn the ropes.
The same can be said for the unwarrented praise these same players receive without ever playing a down in the NFL. We wouldn't be having this conversation if the next Gale Sayers played like Gale Sayers.
 

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